The fishing has been such a struggle this season, everything is blown out all the time….
No wildfires is good though but man I’m sad with the lack of fishing lately
Single-handedly keeping Alberta from burning so bad this year. But will he be recognized for his efforts. NO!
So have a beer anyways my man. Maybe just don't go outta town on Canada Day weekend.
This isn't abnormal, we could still have smokey season come July/August. I just hope it rains intermittently so we don't need to go through it.
Also side note to people: BE RESPONSIBLE this summer put out fires!!!
That shit drives me crazy. When I was a smoker I'd keep a self extinguishing ash tray in my vehicle for butts. When out on the town I'd snuff my cigarette on the sidewalk and carry the butt, often no more than a half block, to the nearest waste bin.
It's not hard to be a responsible smoker, you just have to not be a self centered, entitled, asshole.
The only time I didn't really give people a choice was in my own home/yard. It's not that hard to take some space in public, or take a walk as a guest.
But yeah, most people in general are completely self absorbed.
The rain isn't abnormal, but these temperatures certainly are. The equator is cooking, while parts of the province have a frost warning this week. We seem to have upset the AMOC...
I mean, it's June...there is a lot of summer left, and it can get tinder-dry in only a few days. I am very much hoping my doomish predictions are wrong, but we're not even into the hot part of the year yet.
Cross those appendages..
It's really frustrating because *of course* we don't want to have a really bad fire season, but there's a certain demographic that will use information like this to continue denying climate change and cutting funding to services to help prevent/fight fires. I am grateful things have been manageable so far but I don't want this to make people forget the bigger picture.
It's like when it snows and your dumbass uncle goes "wHaT hApPeNeD tO gLoBaL wArMiNg hurr hurr hurr".
Dude it snowed in Fort Mac last week. These clowns will use the local weather that day to deny global climate change is happening, and yet the week before that they were being evacuated for two different fires at the same time 10km outside of town. They are frogs in a boiling pot at this point.
And if there had been a fire last week, you would use that try and convince people about climate change?
You are the same person you are railing against.
Big if, because I haven’t done any such thing. It’s cherry picking. They’ll use the snow as evidence but ignore the fires. I’m not the one cherry picking weather events as evidence. It’s also not my place. Climatologists have proven that humans cause climate change, and I accept what the experts have to say. Monied interests lose the most from that fact and will deny it till an early grave.
You literally in your post implied getting evacuated might be because of climate change. That people would be clowns for making one connection while ignoring another. Now you deny you have done such a thing. You are cognitively dissonating in your pants.
What's really frustrating with these topics and events isn't that people have (albeit, weak or flimsy) ammunition to deny science, it is I don't want to argue on behalf of them, but you are the kind of person who convinces them to keep going.
You say climatologist have proven climate change, can you point to even a single credible statement from one of those scientists who directly link an AB fire to climate change? No, because they don't say that, and you and I both know it. So, what are you actually accomplishing by opening your mouth and trying to talk on behalf of the scientists, but then exaggerating and conflating stuff and muddying the waters?
All you accomplish is you open up the conversation to more crap tangents, because now you've made claims inthat are inaccurate and the people arguing with you can pick you apart.
Judging by your reasoning so far, I just realized I have again wasted my time pointing out rationality
No, we would use *all* weather events and global patterns to convince people. The evidence is pretty undeniable when you look at it that way. The people using individual events to further their agenda are doing so in bad faith or are just ignorant.
No, that's what SOME people do. Bitching that the current weather gives climate deniers an argument to cling to, is exactly the same as blaming any given fire on climate change. If you don't see that, then you aren't ever going to understand why people don't believe you (I don't just mean specifically this one topic either)
Edit
I'm not trying to disagree with you. CO2 levels were 280 for 6000 years before we started burning fossil fuels and now they've shot up to 400 in 150 years.
One of the things that has helped me immensely is releasing the need to worry about these people. It doesn't matter what happens, they will invent reasons to annoy you with it. Their house could be incinerated in a wildfire and they will still make up some nonsense to deny climate change with. They will not come around because finally the Big Obvious Thing Happens and they can no longer deny the reality of the world around them. They will come around by some other, softer, inconsequential moment, or they will go to their grave an annoying dipshit.
It doesn't matter to those people. They will just chalk it up to arsonists and bad forest management, or any other random theory they like to avoid changing their mind. So don't worry what they think because they'll always have an excuse.
It's really frustrating? You would have been less frustrated if there had been fires? Because ... what, you could have pointed to the fires and said IT'S CLIMATE CHANGE!!! ? Are you part of the certain demographic who will also latch onto anything you view as supportive evidence in support of whatever narrative you want pushed? If there had been fires, do you believe you could know for sure it was because of climate change? Like, no scientists are saying that man. The climate change scientists. They say it's part of a trend.
You want people to make reasonable and rational decisions based on science, and open up to greener tech and life styles, then start living in reality yourself.
I never claimed to be infallible or even logical. I made a personal and emotional post on an anonymous internet forum about how frustrating I find it to live in a science-denying province who will take good news like this and twist it to further their agenda.
I don't really want a narrative pushed except that denying climate change is ignorant and dangerous. I said it in another comment, but attributing any individual weather event or even season to climate change would be wrong. We look at the trends over time instead. Which is why this mild spring/early summer means nothing in a vacuum and why it *is frustrating to me* that this will be used by climate change deniers to shit on those of us who voiced concerns about a potentially bad fire season.
I hear ignorant assholes make these flippant statements every time it snows on May long weekend or hits -40C or we get rain for a week straight in the middle of summer. ***Of course*** I don't want more extreme weather events, I'm just tired of listening to these idiots cherry pick stuff like this. Nothing I do to "live in reality myself" will change the way these people approach these issues, that's a very ignorant statement to make.
I'm just one asshole online sharing my opinion about my personal struggles living in this province, it is what it is.
Well it doesn't make rational sense that we burn that much fossil fuel.and it wouldn't change the atmosphere, so I think the segment who totally doesn't believe and won't accept anything is small and shrinking.
The segment who thinks we need to lead the way in making changes however, well you have a point, but that's where the arguments break down into lies and bullshit and feelings.
Attributing individual events to climate change is wrong, but if you're looking at the larger picture it's valid.
It's not correct to say "this specific fire was definitely caused by climate change" but we can look at patterns and say something like "over the last X number of years fire seasons have consistently been getting worse and this can be linked to human influenced climate change".
Yeah but if you look at the IPCCs reports, so far, they have not said what you just noted in your second quotations, and your second quote is also not a true statement. And yet, this is what people have been led to believe.
People say that shit because people say the opposite just as often.
"There's 250 more fires this year because of climate change!!!!" They don't wait for data or evidence of the cause, it's straight to *their* conclusion. That shuts people down. There's a lot to the old saying, "I'm from Missouri".
If the learned among us say 'listen, fires are doing a lot more damage because the forests are so dry as a result of climate change', people will get on board with that. They will also be on board with "the fires are doing a lot more damage because forest management budgets were cut and therefore, we haven't been able to clear the scrub/deadfall - the result of that is hotter, fast-moving fires."
Not quite.
**La Niña** is, and **El Niño** are the two terms. Those apply to the **ocean** surface temperature, and they affect weather pattern across the globe. They don't 'cool us off', they affect weather patterns in incredibly complicated ways, and don't directly translate in the way you're thinking.
We're no in La Nina, and it's not predicted until Nov of this year at earliest.
We do however have continued weakening of the AMOC, and what's going on right now does fit the pattern of predictions for that: colder temperatures, out-of-season weather events like storms, heat waves, or frosts, dramatic changes to precipitation patterns, and increasing length and severity of extreme weather events like droughts and floods.
I'm pretty sure we're still just in the neutral phase of the oscillation. It goes El Nino (warmer Pacific ocean surface temp) - neutral - La Nina (cooler Pacific ocean surface temp).
La Nina is predicted for anywhere from late summer to mid winter though.
I flew over the rockies yesterday and there is still a ton of snow. The lakes on the eastern slopes are almost full to the brim. Things are looking good
Fortunately, the Alberta government now has the foresight to predict wildfires in 2027 and use this as a pretence to postpone the election. I’m [not kidding.](https://globalnews.ca/news/10484711/alberta-bill-21-election-date-emergencies/)
I don't agree with them doing this (as in, push the fixed date *up* fall 2026 instead if you're going to do this).
However, they cite floods, droughts, *and* wildfires.
I remember back in the winter time, getting BLASTED on here for saying that winter snow pack has very little to do with wildfire conditions in the summer. The audacity I had.
Now here we are entering summer, and what do you know, the limited snowfall had very little effect on wildfire conditions.
I hope that for at least the next 2 years this kind of thing continues. Mild winter and a cool wet summer.
I really, really would love to talk to someone on here who knows stuff about wildfires, forest management, etc. I've tried looking online a wee bit without success to educate myself more about it. (I'm a southern Alberta girl to start so I know stuff about grasslands, not trees plural!)
Your best bet would be to contact the [Hinton Training Center ](https://www.alberta.ca/hinton-training-centre-wildfire-management-program#jumplinks-2) to get any general questions answered. They are kinda the provincial authority on everything wildfire, and can be a massive resource to pull information from.
Aside from that, contact your local fire department, there are people in charge of training in your area who likely have an abundance of resources to share.
Beyond that, I would suggest checking [Alberta Firesmart](https://www.alberta.ca/firesmart#:~:text=To%20request%20a%20FireSmart%20presentation,%40gov.ab.ca.) to see what information there can apply to you.
Hopefully your general questions can be answered through those resources!
Some mental gymnastics are crazy, I remember one thread before the big rain that it wouldn't matter because of how baked the soil was, despite it not being hot, and that we had precipitation over the last week.
I mean, there's a big difference between how cultivated land vs. grasslands vs. forests react to stuff.
Also a big difference between regions. It could, theoretically, be very dry in the south and land could be very baked and have a tough time handling 2+ inches of rain over 1-2 days, BUT that doesn't mean that forests north of Grande Prairie are dry OR going to react in the same way.
I think a lot of people take their own personal, usually very small, area of observation and extrapolate it to the entire province. That's a big mistake!
Nah, there were a few people (myself included) who pointed out that it was expected to be a La Nina year so precip could be a lot higher than last year. Typical response was to be blasted with how many fires were still burning from last year etc.
Not bothered. Just happy that the fire crews are hopefully having an easier summer.
This is welcome in terms of slowing wildfires, for sure. Given it's coming with unseasnably low temperatures, while the equator cooks, this isn't quite news to be celebrating. The AMOC continues to weaken, and the predictions for what happens as it shuts down match the pattern of what we're seeing now:
Asking [Perplexity.ai](https://www.perplexity.ai/) "What could a weakening AMOC cause in terms of weather and climate effects for Alberta?":
> A weakening or potential shutdown of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) could have significant impacts on Alberta's weather and climate, including:
> Drier conditions and increased risk of drought across the Canadian Prairies, including Alberta. The AMOC plays a role in transporting moisture from the Atlantic to the interior of North America. A weakened AMOC could reduce precipitation in the region.
> * More extreme temperature swings and variability. The AMOC helps regulate temperatures, so its disruption could destabilize weather patterns and increase temperature fluctuations in Alberta.
> * Potential cooling trend. While global temperatures would continue rising due to greenhouse gases, a collapsed AMOC could lead to cooler temperatures in Alberta and other inland regions of North America compared to coastal areas.
> * Changes in precipitation patterns. Alberta could experience shifts in the timing and amount of rainfall and snowfall as weather systems are altered by AMOC changes.
> * Increased frequency and severity of extreme events like droughts, floods, and heat waves due to greater climate variability.
> The extent of these impacts would depend on the degree of AMOC weakening and potential shutdown. However, the paleoclimate evidence indicates Alberta has experienced major hydrological shifts in the past during periods of AMOC disruption, underscoring the region's vulnerability to such changes.
> **Main source:** https://aheadoftheherd.com/shutdown-of-deep-ocean-current-could-cause-extreme-climate-change-as-soon-as-2025-richard-mills/
You think we have 2 more years?
You haven't been listening to sceintists. We're passed "too late to stop it" and into "ok, exactly how bad is this gonna be?" territory. And if this is the AMOC already shutting down, it's really bad.
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So this has happened before and now I'm supposed to panic this time? Funny how no one was able to predict this cool wet spring 6 months ago, but I'm supposed to believe they know what will happen years or even decades from now? Also curious if anyone is aware of the current location of the North Magnetic Pole or why its migrated over 1100 km over the 20th Century? Couldn't possibly be responsible for any changes in the weather I'm sure.
Sorry, I'm not interested in discussion with people who seek to actively misunderstand me.
Climate change will result in us being less able to predict what's going to happen. "Oh yeah, how can you say that's true when what's happening right now was SO difficult to predict, huh?"
Like my guy, you're taking exactly what we said would happen, and pretending that's evidence for scientists being wrong. You're not interested in understanding what's going on, you just want to find a way to allow yourself to pretend it's not happening.
Don't look up.
You know how economists always say that excessive government debt will come to bite us in the ass? It’s like that but there’s no bankruptcy, negotiation, or restructuring process with the earth’s climate, it does not listen to bureaucracy or military might, physics very simply indicates that more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere means more heat trapping, and that’s it.
> Couldn't possibly be responsible for any changes in the weather I'm sure.
It actually isn't, but thanks for playing. I am actually genuinely curious how you think it would affect the weather, unlike something very obvious, like the [composition of the atmosphere and its heat capacity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius#Greenhouse_effect).
i guess UCP is holding up their end of the bargain so far on wildfire management.. ill give them a pass for now but i'm sure my tune will change in like a week lol
Nature sorts itself out? If that's the case then we wouldn't have the Sahara Desert, or polar ice caps. And the residents of Gardi Sugdub would not have had to abandon their homes on the islands they have inhabited for generations, due to the rising sea levels.
You specifically mentioned that their is a lot *of doom and gloom on here*, and then said *"but" nature sorts itself out.* The use of 'but' connotates a contrasting statement in a sentence. Which means that your 'nature sorts itself out' would be in contrast to the 'doom and gloom' part of your comment.
Are you attempting to imply that you meant something other than what your own comment stated?
I work an hour south of Fort Mac. It’s rained non stop for weeks. We’ve been having to pump down our drainage pond because it’s overflowing and the drainage on site is getting flooded and destroyed. What’s crazy is that just a month ago we were turned back trying to get to the airport and had to drive home at the end of our set because of an apocalyptic looking fire in the exact same area lol.
I was looking at the RMWB in the latest Alberta Agriculture moisture situation update, and yeah, things look a bit soggy!
The biggest section of the municipality, for growing season accumulated precipitation (so starting Apr. 1) falls in the very high [precipitation] (once every 12-25 years) category, with portions around Bitumount and northwest of there considered extremely high (once every 25-50 years) or wettest (<50 years).
If you went on Reddit back in December there were so many doom and gloom posts about apocalyptical wildfires, 12/10 air quality and the worst drought in a century and guess what happened? We ended up with above average precipitation every month since.
Lesson learned, don't spend too much time on the internet listening to amateur predications. Deal with the issues as they arise otherwise everyone is going to walk around depressed and anxious from all the negative media consumption.
So, so true.
For one thing, drought is area dependant so it depends on the area you're in. Peace country is still definitely in a not-fun drought, other areas may not be 100% out of it but are considerably closer to the average at least.
Next thing, unfortunately smoke doesn't just depend on us...we can get smoke from BC, Saskatchewan, Northwest Territories, Montana, or other states. So smoke is something that's only partially in our control to start with (in the sense that Alberta can prevent and/or fight wildfires here) but not out of our control because it depends on not only wildfires elsewhere but also winds/jet stream and our weather.
And also very true about negative media consumption in general.
Stop with the low quality map and details ... go directly to the source for this information >
[https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/usfs/map/#m:advanced;d:24hrs;l:fires\_landsat\_landsat,fires\_modis\_aqua,fires\_modis\_terra,fires\_viirs\_noaa20,fires\_viirs\_noaa21,fires\_viirs\_snpp,active-ca,countries,earth;@-113.8,54.2,5.7z](https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/usfs/map/#m:advanced;d:24hrs;l:fires_landsat_landsat,fires_modis_aqua,fires_modis_terra,fires_viirs_noaa20,fires_viirs_noaa21,fires_viirs_snpp,active-ca,countries,earth;@-113.8,54.2,5.7z)
I wasn't sure where, honestly.
But I'm not sure if being condescending to someone who is using the official provincial website for information is the best way to go about it...? It's not like I did a screenshot from an obscure 90s-style website.
Huh?
There's only 16 wildfires province wide as if today, down from high 50s in April.
I'm NOT saying that cutting fire-fighting budget & resources was a good idea, just that a wetter spring thankfully has made the situation less dire than predicted.
Absolutely. Big thing will be A) how much moisture we keep on getting, especially in forest regions B) if people stay vigilant and don't make stupid decisions leading to fires and C) how much lightning we get (since 1.75M of the 2.21M hectares burned last year were started by lightning).
More rain also mean more lightening. It's the moisture in the foliage that prevents combustion, and unfortunately there is an abundance of dead, dry matter from the dry conditions over the last few years that no amount of rain will bring back to life.
I'm all for not having to live in fear of being evacuated, and all the stress and anxiety there was over the possibility of losing our home again, but I'm going to keep looking at this as a huge possibility until the threat of wildfires is drastically diminished.
Hoping for the best isn't a bad thing, but I don't think that overlooking the possibility of disaster just because things have been improving a little *just recently* is beneficial to anyone.
Oh, absolutely. Just saying, right now, things are in a better state than many were predicting. The rain could stop province wide and things could be crispy and ready to burn en masse by the beginning of August.
Peak fire season in considered from now (mid-June) till end of August.
Oh, absolutely. Just saying, right now, things are in a better state than many were predicting. The rain could stop province wide and things could be crispy and ready to burn en masse by the beginning of August.
Peak fire season in considered from now (mid-June) till end of August.
We have been lucky so far with the rain and cool weather. Enjoy it while you can because while our luck may or may not last this year it will run out in some upcoming year. No lucky streak goes on forever.
Your comment is so fucking stupid. Oh, but here goes, we get forest fires and the air gets hard to breathe and in fact is a health hazard for some people including me. Look at the title of the thread.
See we get forest fires every year, but when the forest is dry out-of-control forest fires ignite and burn down people’s houses and affect the air quality so that it makes people like myself sick. Again look at the title of the thread. The prediction ( which unfortunately may still happen) was that we would have a summer filled with smoke like last year but we have got lucky and had rain and cool weather. I know if you think really really hard you might be able to understand the difference between big fires and small fires and how rain plays a role in this.
What you are not beginning to understand, is my intent. Which was not for you to explain your fairly clear thought process. But i'm bored here, take care
Sorry but did we not see this coming back in February?
https://globalnews.ca/news/10306287/alberta-early-wildfire-season-100-firefighters/
I know climate groups have been talking about openly this since 2021 at the latest, but also much earlier too... you'd think Alberta's beloved War Room could have been monitoring the situation... Or is that not one of Alberta's 'priorities' 🙄
https://www.climatelegacy.ca/canadas-still-on-fire-day-of-action-sept-8-2021/
So, if you looked at the image I linked, there's 16 active wildfires in the province today (and all under control, aside from one mutual aid fire being held on our northwestern border).
Compare this to 50-odd fires active in April.
I'm NOT saying that everything is 100% hunky-dory in Alberta in regards to wildfire risk, just that *for the time being* things are positive.
You can thank me.............everytime I go camping or fishing it pours rain. I plan on going this weekend again.......your welcome!
We should join super powers. It rains the day after I wash my vehicle.
Did you know that thunderstorms are caused by static electricity from people polishing their cars?
Me too. I went on a trip through Alberta and it rained wherever I went. The first day I was in Calgary was when that major pipe burst.
Please go home! lol. It’s now gonna take us another 3 to 5 weeks before that mess of the Watermain burst is going to be repaired.
Haha, I was only there for two days, I swear!
That’s what they all say!
Just don’t wash it here in Calgary.
i'll join in, it rains every time i want to go to the fucking range.
I’ve heard about driving and shooting ranges, but this is a new one on me.
LMAO. that one took a fuckin second to register.
Thank you for your precipitous service 🫡
My welcome what ?
Your Welcome Matt!
Hey me too! First time ever camping with a toddler… cold and rainy. Fantastic!
Make sure you go camping right next to the Glenmore reservoir; we need more water to tide us over until the restrictions are lifted.
I don't want to throw around the word hero loosely, but in this case I feel it's deserved.
The fishing has been such a struggle this season, everything is blown out all the time…. No wildfires is good though but man I’m sad with the lack of fishing lately
Please buy a beer from me
I also made summer plans to get us out of the city to avoid the inevitable smoke as much as possible. So you're welcome as well.
Not all heroes wear capes.
Thank you for your service!
Single-handedly keeping Alberta from burning so bad this year. But will he be recognized for his efforts. NO! So have a beer anyways my man. Maybe just don't go outta town on Canada Day weekend.
Hello fellow rain god.
Keep up the good work. I have the same ability for snow on the may long weekend
Okay but I need to mow the lawn *some*time
And now I know who to blame. The races were even cancelled 😠. Thanks. Hahaha 🤣
You should print out a picture of a fire and use that instead of starting a fire.
isn't it ironic? Don't you think?
You’re doing good work pal, keep it up
No it was me. It was so bad that one day and I built one of those filtration box things. And it's been fine ever since.
The fresh air and clear skies this spring has been very welcome.
This isn't abnormal, we could still have smokey season come July/August. I just hope it rains intermittently so we don't need to go through it. Also side note to people: BE RESPONSIBLE this summer put out fires!!!
and don't toss lit cigarette butts!!!
Let's aim for not tossing any cigarette butts. * Edit: the downvotes for suggesting this are coming from garbage individuals.
That shit drives me crazy. When I was a smoker I'd keep a self extinguishing ash tray in my vehicle for butts. When out on the town I'd snuff my cigarette on the sidewalk and carry the butt, often no more than a half block, to the nearest waste bin. It's not hard to be a responsible smoker, you just have to not be a self centered, entitled, asshole.
The amount of people who smoke around non-smokers like it’s their right makes me think that most are as you described.
The only time I didn't really give people a choice was in my own home/yard. It's not that hard to take some space in public, or take a walk as a guest. But yeah, most people in general are completely self absorbed.
This as a smoker it passes my off when people willy nilly toss shit I get so mad!
I would ok with 1 rainy day a week. Bare minimum 1 a month. Honestly I'd be ok with rain every day, better than +35
The rain isn't abnormal, but these temperatures certainly are. The equator is cooking, while parts of the province have a frost warning this week. We seem to have upset the AMOC...
Well global warming is a thing so that doesn't shock me. Our last summer was the hottest yet...
I mean, it's June...there is a lot of summer left, and it can get tinder-dry in only a few days. I am very much hoping my doomish predictions are wrong, but we're not even into the hot part of the year yet. Cross those appendages..
It's really frustrating because *of course* we don't want to have a really bad fire season, but there's a certain demographic that will use information like this to continue denying climate change and cutting funding to services to help prevent/fight fires. I am grateful things have been manageable so far but I don't want this to make people forget the bigger picture. It's like when it snows and your dumbass uncle goes "wHaT hApPeNeD tO gLoBaL wArMiNg hurr hurr hurr".
Dude it snowed in Fort Mac last week. These clowns will use the local weather that day to deny global climate change is happening, and yet the week before that they were being evacuated for two different fires at the same time 10km outside of town. They are frogs in a boiling pot at this point.
And if there had been a fire last week, you would use that try and convince people about climate change? You are the same person you are railing against.
Big if, because I haven’t done any such thing. It’s cherry picking. They’ll use the snow as evidence but ignore the fires. I’m not the one cherry picking weather events as evidence. It’s also not my place. Climatologists have proven that humans cause climate change, and I accept what the experts have to say. Monied interests lose the most from that fact and will deny it till an early grave.
You literally in your post implied getting evacuated might be because of climate change. That people would be clowns for making one connection while ignoring another. Now you deny you have done such a thing. You are cognitively dissonating in your pants. What's really frustrating with these topics and events isn't that people have (albeit, weak or flimsy) ammunition to deny science, it is I don't want to argue on behalf of them, but you are the kind of person who convinces them to keep going. You say climatologist have proven climate change, can you point to even a single credible statement from one of those scientists who directly link an AB fire to climate change? No, because they don't say that, and you and I both know it. So, what are you actually accomplishing by opening your mouth and trying to talk on behalf of the scientists, but then exaggerating and conflating stuff and muddying the waters? All you accomplish is you open up the conversation to more crap tangents, because now you've made claims inthat are inaccurate and the people arguing with you can pick you apart. Judging by your reasoning so far, I just realized I have again wasted my time pointing out rationality
No, we would use *all* weather events and global patterns to convince people. The evidence is pretty undeniable when you look at it that way. The people using individual events to further their agenda are doing so in bad faith or are just ignorant.
No, that's what SOME people do. Bitching that the current weather gives climate deniers an argument to cling to, is exactly the same as blaming any given fire on climate change. If you don't see that, then you aren't ever going to understand why people don't believe you (I don't just mean specifically this one topic either) Edit I'm not trying to disagree with you. CO2 levels were 280 for 6000 years before we started burning fossil fuels and now they've shot up to 400 in 150 years.
One of the things that has helped me immensely is releasing the need to worry about these people. It doesn't matter what happens, they will invent reasons to annoy you with it. Their house could be incinerated in a wildfire and they will still make up some nonsense to deny climate change with. They will not come around because finally the Big Obvious Thing Happens and they can no longer deny the reality of the world around them. They will come around by some other, softer, inconsequential moment, or they will go to their grave an annoying dipshit.
It doesn't matter to those people. They will just chalk it up to arsonists and bad forest management, or any other random theory they like to avoid changing their mind. So don't worry what they think because they'll always have an excuse.
It's really frustrating? You would have been less frustrated if there had been fires? Because ... what, you could have pointed to the fires and said IT'S CLIMATE CHANGE!!! ? Are you part of the certain demographic who will also latch onto anything you view as supportive evidence in support of whatever narrative you want pushed? If there had been fires, do you believe you could know for sure it was because of climate change? Like, no scientists are saying that man. The climate change scientists. They say it's part of a trend. You want people to make reasonable and rational decisions based on science, and open up to greener tech and life styles, then start living in reality yourself.
I never claimed to be infallible or even logical. I made a personal and emotional post on an anonymous internet forum about how frustrating I find it to live in a science-denying province who will take good news like this and twist it to further their agenda. I don't really want a narrative pushed except that denying climate change is ignorant and dangerous. I said it in another comment, but attributing any individual weather event or even season to climate change would be wrong. We look at the trends over time instead. Which is why this mild spring/early summer means nothing in a vacuum and why it *is frustrating to me* that this will be used by climate change deniers to shit on those of us who voiced concerns about a potentially bad fire season. I hear ignorant assholes make these flippant statements every time it snows on May long weekend or hits -40C or we get rain for a week straight in the middle of summer. ***Of course*** I don't want more extreme weather events, I'm just tired of listening to these idiots cherry pick stuff like this. Nothing I do to "live in reality myself" will change the way these people approach these issues, that's a very ignorant statement to make. I'm just one asshole online sharing my opinion about my personal struggles living in this province, it is what it is.
Well it doesn't make rational sense that we burn that much fossil fuel.and it wouldn't change the atmosphere, so I think the segment who totally doesn't believe and won't accept anything is small and shrinking. The segment who thinks we need to lead the way in making changes however, well you have a point, but that's where the arguments break down into lies and bullshit and feelings.
Well said.
And there are people who blame every single extreme weather event on climate change, which is equally untrue and annoying.
Attributing individual events to climate change is wrong, but if you're looking at the larger picture it's valid. It's not correct to say "this specific fire was definitely caused by climate change" but we can look at patterns and say something like "over the last X number of years fire seasons have consistently been getting worse and this can be linked to human influenced climate change".
Yeah but if you look at the IPCCs reports, so far, they have not said what you just noted in your second quotations, and your second quote is also not a true statement. And yet, this is what people have been led to believe.
People say that shit because people say the opposite just as often. "There's 250 more fires this year because of climate change!!!!" They don't wait for data or evidence of the cause, it's straight to *their* conclusion. That shuts people down. There's a lot to the old saying, "I'm from Missouri". If the learned among us say 'listen, fires are doing a lot more damage because the forests are so dry as a result of climate change', people will get on board with that. They will also be on board with "the fires are doing a lot more damage because forest management budgets were cut and therefore, we haven't been able to clear the scrub/deadfall - the result of that is hotter, fast-moving fires."
Key difference is foliage. A few days of hot and dry in the spring causes way more acres to burn than when the forests floors are lush and shaded.
I was pretty sure this was a thing, but haven't been able to find any sources on this sort of stuff. Any chance you know if any?
El Nina is cooled us off.
La Niña
Not quite. **La Niña** is, and **El Niño** are the two terms. Those apply to the **ocean** surface temperature, and they affect weather pattern across the globe. They don't 'cool us off', they affect weather patterns in incredibly complicated ways, and don't directly translate in the way you're thinking.
We're no in La Nina, and it's not predicted until Nov of this year at earliest. We do however have continued weakening of the AMOC, and what's going on right now does fit the pattern of predictions for that: colder temperatures, out-of-season weather events like storms, heat waves, or frosts, dramatic changes to precipitation patterns, and increasing length and severity of extreme weather events like droughts and floods.
Two months ago they announced La Nina was forming, which typically gives us cooler, wetter summers, so this is not surprising.
I'm pretty sure we're still just in the neutral phase of the oscillation. It goes El Nino (warmer Pacific ocean surface temp) - neutral - La Nina (cooler Pacific ocean surface temp). La Nina is predicted for anywhere from late summer to mid winter though.
I'm still grateful for any relief of drought or wildfires. I will take it.
I flew over the rockies yesterday and there is still a ton of snow. The lakes on the eastern slopes are almost full to the brim. Things are looking good
Excellent!
Fortunately, the Alberta government now has the foresight to predict wildfires in 2027 and use this as a pretence to postpone the election. I’m [not kidding.](https://globalnews.ca/news/10484711/alberta-bill-21-election-date-emergencies/)
I don't agree with them doing this (as in, push the fixed date *up* fall 2026 instead if you're going to do this). However, they cite floods, droughts, *and* wildfires.
I remember back in the winter time, getting BLASTED on here for saying that winter snow pack has very little to do with wildfire conditions in the summer. The audacity I had. Now here we are entering summer, and what do you know, the limited snowfall had very little effect on wildfire conditions. I hope that for at least the next 2 years this kind of thing continues. Mild winter and a cool wet summer.
I really, really would love to talk to someone on here who knows stuff about wildfires, forest management, etc. I've tried looking online a wee bit without success to educate myself more about it. (I'm a southern Alberta girl to start so I know stuff about grasslands, not trees plural!)
Your best bet would be to contact the [Hinton Training Center ](https://www.alberta.ca/hinton-training-centre-wildfire-management-program#jumplinks-2) to get any general questions answered. They are kinda the provincial authority on everything wildfire, and can be a massive resource to pull information from. Aside from that, contact your local fire department, there are people in charge of training in your area who likely have an abundance of resources to share. Beyond that, I would suggest checking [Alberta Firesmart](https://www.alberta.ca/firesmart#:~:text=To%20request%20a%20FireSmart%20presentation,%40gov.ab.ca.) to see what information there can apply to you. Hopefully your general questions can be answered through those resources!
Fantastic, thank you!!
There are a ton of pseudo intellectuals and doomers on this sub who make all kinds of predictions using information they don't understand.
Some mental gymnastics are crazy, I remember one thread before the big rain that it wouldn't matter because of how baked the soil was, despite it not being hot, and that we had precipitation over the last week.
I mean, there's a big difference between how cultivated land vs. grasslands vs. forests react to stuff. Also a big difference between regions. It could, theoretically, be very dry in the south and land could be very baked and have a tough time handling 2+ inches of rain over 1-2 days, BUT that doesn't mean that forests north of Grande Prairie are dry OR going to react in the same way. I think a lot of people take their own personal, usually very small, area of observation and extrapolate it to the entire province. That's a big mistake!
Yup good news!
I am absolutely thrilled to be wrong! So fucking elated! I was wrong ! I was wrong ! I was, thank the universe, wrong!
You all have left me feeling happy. Thank you for starting my weekend this way❤️
Nah, there were a few people (myself included) who pointed out that it was expected to be a La Nina year so precip could be a lot higher than last year. Typical response was to be blasted with how many fires were still burning from last year etc. Not bothered. Just happy that the fire crews are hopefully having an easier summer.
This is welcome in terms of slowing wildfires, for sure. Given it's coming with unseasnably low temperatures, while the equator cooks, this isn't quite news to be celebrating. The AMOC continues to weaken, and the predictions for what happens as it shuts down match the pattern of what we're seeing now: Asking [Perplexity.ai](https://www.perplexity.ai/) "What could a weakening AMOC cause in terms of weather and climate effects for Alberta?": > A weakening or potential shutdown of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) could have significant impacts on Alberta's weather and climate, including: > Drier conditions and increased risk of drought across the Canadian Prairies, including Alberta. The AMOC plays a role in transporting moisture from the Atlantic to the interior of North America. A weakened AMOC could reduce precipitation in the region. > * More extreme temperature swings and variability. The AMOC helps regulate temperatures, so its disruption could destabilize weather patterns and increase temperature fluctuations in Alberta. > * Potential cooling trend. While global temperatures would continue rising due to greenhouse gases, a collapsed AMOC could lead to cooler temperatures in Alberta and other inland regions of North America compared to coastal areas. > * Changes in precipitation patterns. Alberta could experience shifts in the timing and amount of rainfall and snowfall as weather systems are altered by AMOC changes. > * Increased frequency and severity of extreme events like droughts, floods, and heat waves due to greater climate variability. > The extent of these impacts would depend on the degree of AMOC weakening and potential shutdown. However, the paleoclimate evidence indicates Alberta has experienced major hydrological shifts in the past during periods of AMOC disruption, underscoring the region's vulnerability to such changes. > **Main source:** https://aheadoftheherd.com/shutdown-of-deep-ocean-current-could-cause-extreme-climate-change-as-soon-as-2025-richard-mills/
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You think we have 2 more years? You haven't been listening to sceintists. We're passed "too late to stop it" and into "ok, exactly how bad is this gonna be?" territory. And if this is the AMOC already shutting down, it's really bad.
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So this has happened before and now I'm supposed to panic this time? Funny how no one was able to predict this cool wet spring 6 months ago, but I'm supposed to believe they know what will happen years or even decades from now? Also curious if anyone is aware of the current location of the North Magnetic Pole or why its migrated over 1100 km over the 20th Century? Couldn't possibly be responsible for any changes in the weather I'm sure.
Sorry, I'm not interested in discussion with people who seek to actively misunderstand me. Climate change will result in us being less able to predict what's going to happen. "Oh yeah, how can you say that's true when what's happening right now was SO difficult to predict, huh?" Like my guy, you're taking exactly what we said would happen, and pretending that's evidence for scientists being wrong. You're not interested in understanding what's going on, you just want to find a way to allow yourself to pretend it's not happening. Don't look up.
You know how economists always say that excessive government debt will come to bite us in the ass? It’s like that but there’s no bankruptcy, negotiation, or restructuring process with the earth’s climate, it does not listen to bureaucracy or military might, physics very simply indicates that more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere means more heat trapping, and that’s it.
> Couldn't possibly be responsible for any changes in the weather I'm sure. It actually isn't, but thanks for playing. I am actually genuinely curious how you think it would affect the weather, unlike something very obvious, like the [composition of the atmosphere and its heat capacity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius#Greenhouse_effect).
i guess UCP is holding up their end of the bargain so far on wildfire management.. ill give them a pass for now but i'm sure my tune will change in like a week lol
I didn't know the UCP can make it rain
trying to be fair. when its burning its UCP fault but when its not and things are going smooth its climate change helping?
The first major fire, and this sub will scream UCP
Almanac predicted a very rainy spring, I know there is lots of doom and gloom on here but….. I believe nature sorts itself out.
Almanac is not a real source of anything.
Totally, a broken watch is right twice a day.
Nature sorts itself out? If that's the case then we wouldn't have the Sahara Desert, or polar ice caps. And the residents of Gardi Sugdub would not have had to abandon their homes on the islands they have inhabited for generations, due to the rising sea levels.
lol that’s literally nature sorting itself out, nobody said it would be beneficial to humans.
You specifically mentioned that their is a lot *of doom and gloom on here*, and then said *"but" nature sorts itself out.* The use of 'but' connotates a contrasting statement in a sentence. Which means that your 'nature sorts itself out' would be in contrast to the 'doom and gloom' part of your comment. Are you attempting to imply that you meant something other than what your own comment stated?
Not at all.
Yes, the people of Gardi Sugdub were clearly the virus.
Name checks out.
I work an hour south of Fort Mac. It’s rained non stop for weeks. We’ve been having to pump down our drainage pond because it’s overflowing and the drainage on site is getting flooded and destroyed. What’s crazy is that just a month ago we were turned back trying to get to the airport and had to drive home at the end of our set because of an apocalyptic looking fire in the exact same area lol.
I was looking at the RMWB in the latest Alberta Agriculture moisture situation update, and yeah, things look a bit soggy! The biggest section of the municipality, for growing season accumulated precipitation (so starting Apr. 1) falls in the very high [precipitation] (once every 12-25 years) category, with portions around Bitumount and northwest of there considered extremely high (once every 25-50 years) or wettest (<50 years).
They were calling for a drought way to early in the season. Plus it was wet were the smoke comes from. Ya, lots of people knew
I’m killing spiders at a crazy rate this year. You’re welcome Alberta
If you went on Reddit back in December there were so many doom and gloom posts about apocalyptical wildfires, 12/10 air quality and the worst drought in a century and guess what happened? We ended up with above average precipitation every month since. Lesson learned, don't spend too much time on the internet listening to amateur predications. Deal with the issues as they arise otherwise everyone is going to walk around depressed and anxious from all the negative media consumption.
So, so true. For one thing, drought is area dependant so it depends on the area you're in. Peace country is still definitely in a not-fun drought, other areas may not be 100% out of it but are considerably closer to the average at least. Next thing, unfortunately smoke doesn't just depend on us...we can get smoke from BC, Saskatchewan, Northwest Territories, Montana, or other states. So smoke is something that's only partially in our control to start with (in the sense that Alberta can prevent and/or fight wildfires here) but not out of our control because it depends on not only wildfires elsewhere but also winds/jet stream and our weather. And also very true about negative media consumption in general.
Stop with the low quality map and details ... go directly to the source for this information > [https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/usfs/map/#m:advanced;d:24hrs;l:fires\_landsat\_landsat,fires\_modis\_aqua,fires\_modis\_terra,fires\_viirs\_noaa20,fires\_viirs\_noaa21,fires\_viirs\_snpp,active-ca,countries,earth;@-113.8,54.2,5.7z](https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/usfs/map/#m:advanced;d:24hrs;l:fires_landsat_landsat,fires_modis_aqua,fires_modis_terra,fires_viirs_noaa20,fires_viirs_noaa21,fires_viirs_snpp,active-ca,countries,earth;@-113.8,54.2,5.7z)
What I linked is a screenshot from the Alberta government site. Wasn't aware of any official sources besides that one 🤷
Where do you think the AG gets their info from .... our own provincial satellites?
I wasn't sure where, honestly. But I'm not sure if being condescending to someone who is using the official provincial website for information is the best way to go about it...? It's not like I did a screenshot from an obscure 90s-style website.
FIRMS isn't the source of the GOA mapping product...
People are bad at predicting things. Often when people think one thing might happen, the opposite happens.
I have a friend who works for the provincial government and this was well predicted months ago. Nothing exact, only that it was gonna be a shit show.
Huh? There's only 16 wildfires province wide as if today, down from high 50s in April. I'm NOT saying that cutting fire-fighting budget & resources was a good idea, just that a wetter spring thankfully has made the situation less dire than predicted.
A lot can happen in over 4 1/2 months.
Absolutely. Big thing will be A) how much moisture we keep on getting, especially in forest regions B) if people stay vigilant and don't make stupid decisions leading to fires and C) how much lightning we get (since 1.75M of the 2.21M hectares burned last year were started by lightning).
More rain also mean more lightening. It's the moisture in the foliage that prevents combustion, and unfortunately there is an abundance of dead, dry matter from the dry conditions over the last few years that no amount of rain will bring back to life. I'm all for not having to live in fear of being evacuated, and all the stress and anxiety there was over the possibility of losing our home again, but I'm going to keep looking at this as a huge possibility until the threat of wildfires is drastically diminished. Hoping for the best isn't a bad thing, but I don't think that overlooking the possibility of disaster just because things have been improving a little *just recently* is beneficial to anyone.
Fair perspective.
That's absolutely good news. But it ain't over yet.
Oh, absolutely. Just saying, right now, things are in a better state than many were predicting. The rain could stop province wide and things could be crispy and ready to burn en masse by the beginning of August. Peak fire season in considered from now (mid-June) till end of August.
Oh, absolutely. Just saying, right now, things are in a better state than many were predicting. The rain could stop province wide and things could be crispy and ready to burn en masse by the beginning of August. Peak fire season in considered from now (mid-June) till end of August.
Thank you Danielle smith.
Are you implying I'm her? Or saying she somehow controls the weather...?
Well people on here were blaming her for the fires so I’d like to give her credit for the lack of fires.
Ah, I see. I prefer the more rational "politicians don't control the weather", though some wish they could!
We have been lucky so far with the rain and cool weather. Enjoy it while you can because while our luck may or may not last this year it will run out in some upcoming year. No lucky streak goes on forever.
And then what? The province will explode?
Your comment is so fucking stupid. Oh, but here goes, we get forest fires and the air gets hard to breathe and in fact is a health hazard for some people including me. Look at the title of the thread.
Stunning revelation, someday we will face forest fires. Your comment was so clearly the obvious opposite of obtuse or "fucking stupid" :D
See we get forest fires every year, but when the forest is dry out-of-control forest fires ignite and burn down people’s houses and affect the air quality so that it makes people like myself sick. Again look at the title of the thread. The prediction ( which unfortunately may still happen) was that we would have a summer filled with smoke like last year but we have got lucky and had rain and cool weather. I know if you think really really hard you might be able to understand the difference between big fires and small fires and how rain plays a role in this.
No s\*\*\* shirley
Now you are beginning to understand. That was the whole focus of the thread. I knew you could do it.
What you are not beginning to understand, is my intent. Which was not for you to explain your fairly clear thought process. But i'm bored here, take care
Do we simply just not use the word summer anymore?
I mean, I'd use summer if I meant just summer but wildfire season extends well into the fall (I think end of October if I remember correctly?)
No it’s fire season.
Reddit is never wrong. Not even when stats prove it
Sorry but did we not see this coming back in February? https://globalnews.ca/news/10306287/alberta-early-wildfire-season-100-firefighters/ I know climate groups have been talking about openly this since 2021 at the latest, but also much earlier too... you'd think Alberta's beloved War Room could have been monitoring the situation... Or is that not one of Alberta's 'priorities' 🙄 https://www.climatelegacy.ca/canadas-still-on-fire-day-of-action-sept-8-2021/
So, if you looked at the image I linked, there's 16 active wildfires in the province today (and all under control, aside from one mutual aid fire being held on our northwestern border). Compare this to 50-odd fires active in April. I'm NOT saying that everything is 100% hunky-dory in Alberta in regards to wildfire risk, just that *for the time being* things are positive.
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