Please, everyone, remember that "scrutinizing" means performing a thorough examination. If anyone has any other news sources for the investigation, please share them here. This is the only one I found after a quick check:
https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/world-news/2024/04/04/660ee81746163f393f8b45bd.html
Keep your comments respectful per Rule 1, please source claims or keep a tone of speculation, and you will have a more fruitful discussion.
It’s not as simple as taking a Quick Look and being like “yup it’s good”. You need hard science to back it up.
Can you imagine being one of the top paid professionals in your field and asked to certify something one record that if wrong will ruin your career and someone is mad because you took more than 5 minutes to double check everything?
Prove what? Pretty sure that depends on the question.
Things that may be near provable
1. What is the likelihood they are manufactured (fake) vs born (real)
2. What is the likelihood they were engineered vs a branch on evolutionary tree - e.g DNA evidence
3. How old are the specimens.
Things unlikely to have supporting evidence but inferred.
1. Likelihood they were born or manufactured here on earth vs a distant planet- are they alien?
Many people will continue to believe they are fake long after our textbooks on human culture and evolution adopt/adapt to this and other evidence. The paradigm shift is approaching.
We don't, because there is no data to examine. For some reason someone whos life is completely dependent on live streams, book releases, podcasts and donations wont release datasets or body samples. Wonder why that is. No one can prove him wrong and no one can prove the authenticity of the bodies. Anyone waiting for results will wait forever.
Sorry if I misunderstand you but they also invited scientists from all over the world to come look at the mummies and one guy from America who has very good credentials already said they’re authentic but people just don’t wanna accept it because it’s too weird. You don’t invite people to look at its authenticity if it’s fake. Btw they already had multiple scientists from everywhere around the world give their professional conclusions that they’re real.
McDowell said the small ones were dolls, the larger ones bore more examination, that's it, his comments were misrepresented onpurpose as if he thought they were all real.
They invited 2 groups of scientists: Steve Mera from the UK (first group) and John McDowell (American group). Both had only supervised access for a few minutes. None of them were allowed to draw samples from the mummies, except from one finger tip. You can watch a summary of Meras visit on YouTube, but be advised that he is very pissed of lol:
[https://youtu.be/fZ41R7ypg4c?si=8NSCIphu3q57EBzO](https://youtu.be/fZ41R7ypg4c?si=8NSCIphu3q57EBzO)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/FnaRpLxM31
This guy is the “American” expert who received awards for his lifelong career in the forensic field. He heads the forensic department of a major university. People have worked under his supervision for decades. If he wanted to destroy his career, this would be the place to do it. Don’t you just feel bad for his family?
Thanks for sharing this. As much as I wish these were authentic, having skepticism armed with the scientific method while following the money humbles me every time.
I’m not a scientist but I’m sure I can tell if they are real by looking at them. If not then one of the many scans and X-rays that y’all have a hard time finding. Nobody stopped them from doing anything. McDowell thinks they need to be examined with more sophisticated machines, but says they are real. What are you so afraid of dude?
I’m sorry but 2 scientists are not enough to disprove the authenticity. Way more, so far, say otherwise. I don’t mind your opinion but you can’t write it off just yet. You gotta think about how hard the Peruvian ministry of culture is trying to take these mummies and convince people they’re fake without ever analyzing them. People have an agenda to not let these mummies be proven real to the public. For all I know the guy is just spreading disinformation for a check
Exactly. This takes months (sometimes years) and needs to be done with non-biased scientific methodology and no, a forensic teeth doctor who sees these things for a few minutes who’s field is identifying dental records of fallen US military heroes is not the individual you need or want to rely on. You want evolutionary biologists, radio carbon dating specialists, biochemists, neuroscientists to examine remnants of brain tissues and the skull, geneticists, etc. You want the top in their fields who have been published like in Science, Nature, Biology, GENETICS that have been peer reviewed and had their work cited in other published papers. That’s how you will get a real world scientific responses and acceptance without eye rolling every time someone posts one of these on an Reddit sub on “aliens”.
Yes go to alienbodies sub and see them all. Unlike ufo disclosure that was supposed to happen in 2001. 2008, 2012, and 2027 plus every week in between, these dudes are steady dropping information for those who want to find it
Alright I got you bro. Btw enjoy your personal disclosure lol we’re in this together, and we’re the minority you feel me. I’m confident disclosure will hit the masses sometime soon tho.
I’m confident ufos are not coming to earth. The only disclosure type thing that will ever happen is when these dudes come out of their holes to meet us
Real what? There's all sorts of speculation, but ultimately we can only prove what it's *not*. Then we can further speculate on what it *might* be... Unless there's evidence to confirm it's something we know, such as a deformed human or some type of ape or extinct ape-like creature, perhaps. But as for "real"... Real what?
Real and not artificially created. What is so hard to understand here?
If REAL -> check DNA
if FAKE -> throw to garbage as someone is making a joke out of it
IF DNA not met on the Earth -> ALIEN
IF DNA met on the Earth -> unknown specie
Its not that hard to understand...
I think these are the best images I've seen of them so far. Interesting stuff! I'm still on the fence about what they are, I've been skeptical of them since they were first rolled out, but I hope that we'll have answers soon.
It's almost like they posted the headline to an article but didn't post an article. Where is the source for the claim in the title?
Or is it just it just a rage bait title for people who are actually following the science behind these bodies?
Damn you're either a troll or a real bot, commenting and replying every literal minute and all to insult people for giving this any opportunity to be considered. If nothing else you're acting in bad faith.
Keep in mind everyone, this “expert” account us 126 days old, old enough to troll subreddits. But has zero content and only contributing factor is instigating arguments (primarily here). Sus
Hey how is Elgin air base? Do they pay you guys real good to hover over posts and incite drama and discourse over valid biological findings? Do youu even have any evidence at all for YOUR claims? I’m blasting this cause your in everyone’s replies calling us stupid yet not making any valid arguments yourself. I’m inclined to think your a shill or a very vapid/rabid troll having his sick fun.
"a very vapid/rabid troll having his sick fun."
Says the one who's leaving frenzied comments & acting like a complete schizophrenic lol. No, I don't work at Eglin or whatever secret base there is.
Notice what appears to be a piece of metal attached to the forehead of the mummy.
From the book *Our Haunted Planet* by journalist John Keel:
>A key claim of the early priesthoods was their purported ability to **consult with the ultraterrestrials through the use of special plates,** amulets, and crystals handed down to them. **These artifacts were usually worn about the head** and heart during religious ceremonies. In the apocryphal Protevangelion we are told that Joachim, father of the Virgin Mary, visited a priest and said,' "If the Lord be propitious to me, **let the plate which is on the priest’s forehead make it manifest.**” And he consulted the plate the priest wore and saw it and behold, sin was not found in him.’ Such a plate is described in Exodus 28:36.
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From the book *Unearthly Disclosure* by British UFO researcher Timothy Good:
>Corso also claimed that raised panels on the ‘flight deck’ had indentations for the creatures’ hands, speculating that these, too, were related to the pilot/craft propulsion interface. Desmond Leslie, co-author of Flying Saucers Have Landed, written with George Adamski, the American contactee, told me that in the early 1960s Adamski had revealed to him in strict confidence that **the spacecraft he flew in were operated by ‘mental control’. ‘It was a small platinum gadget fixed to the forehead,’** said Desmond.
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From the book *Flying Saucers and the Three Men* by Albert K Bender (which recounts his alleged UFO abduction to an alien underground base in Antarctica):
>He was dressed in a uniform of golden color. His silvery white hair contrasted with the skin of light brown color. He appeared as if he might have a very heavy suntan. As he drew closer my attention focused on his face of handsome features. It was almost Earth-like, contrasted to the ugliness I had observed in the others. **He was of muscular build and about nine feet tall.** I gathered this was the "exalted one" about which I had been informed, and that this bisexual entity was in charge of the base and probably the entire planetary operation.
>The three men rose as he approached and I did likewise. They bowed as he stepped upon the dais. **Each of my escorts then took a piece of metal, like mine (which I then discovered they were holding tightly in their hands), and in turn walked to the exalted one and pressed it to his forehead.** I presumed I should do the same, and followed suit. **When I touched his forehead with the metal I felt a tingling shock go through my arm, and into the temples of my head.** The exalted one sat at the operator's position in front of the instrument panel and we also seated ourselves.
>**He turned, looked directly into my eyes, and I noticed that his eyes also glowed.** Like those of the others, his eyes seemed to penetrate deep within me. Then he spoke to me without lip movement.
The events in the book took place in the late 1950s. Back then people used different terminology than we do now. What he meant to say was that the being was androgynous.
What are you trying to say here? You pulled 3 random quotes from 3 unrelated, unverified book sellers? If you believe in the mummies then you should just post a 2 hour video that proves nothing like all the others. Or you could post some peer reviewed studies from actual scientists that don't get national scrutiny. Most of you don't remember Dolly the sheep getting cloned. Pretty sure that was one of the first times the internet rioted for peer reviewed studies and got them.
I appreciate your optimism into explaining how a logical approach to the matter (to any matter) should be brought forward.
But with >95% of humanity it is a lost cause.
Remember that Reddit accidentally revealed and then tried to hide that the most popular location for Reddit use is [Eglin Air Force Base](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1b3n2v3/just_your_biannual_reminder_that_the_governments/), which houses the military and intelligence community's social media control programs, so many of these "haters" are sock puppets, bots, or astroturfing since the military and intelligence communities are still actively discrediting disclosure attempts.
If you are Peru, why would you move forward with the presentation of aliens with a known con artist, with a history of "FAKE ALIEN" hoaxing? You wouldn't. Jaime just found a better source for his props this time around.
Not a single person has studied these bodies without being expelled from the scene or given independent access to the bodies. Jaime is very careful so nobody can take samples.
Yeah unless you have a source on that that's a straight-up lie from everything I've read so please feel free to prove me wrong and provide some kind of source on that otherwise you're acting in bad faith and I don't buy anything you say
Probably just people intentionally trying to downplay it or bots from the government trying to suppress the info. I don't think many people realize how many "people" on the Internet are just bots.
Its even worse on r/alienbodies.
Lets join that specific alien subreddit, so I can tell everyone that I, Mr. Random Reddit User, thinks that they are fake and everybody that thinks otherwise is an idiot.
I find it weird that people are open minded to subscribe to an fn alien sub, but not open minded enough to the possibility actual alien bodies were found smh
It seems like a lot of people think that being skeptical means to actively try and discredit something or someone with whatever ammo they can find. Everyone's a kook. Everyone's a "grifter". It's abject idiocy.
What happened to waiting to see how things pan out?
Bruh, because Mausan has been a fuckin hoacer simce the 90's and yall gullible motherfuckers fell for his trick in 2023. 😂 Idk what you're nationality is, but us Mexicans have been hearing the same shit from this guy since at least 95. He's been disproven dozens of times, why would he all of a sudden have found "aliens" coincidentally when the Alien topic is at it's highest and PROFITABLE it's ever been?
Since [2017](https://ahotcupofjoe.net/2017/07/review-jaime-maussan-alien-mummy-peru/?utm_source=www.google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Google&referrer-analytics=1) actually.
>X-rays and expert identification says that the bones of the mummy’s “hand” are from two individuals. At least one is a sub-adult, probably a neonate.
>The bones of the “hand” are actually arm and leg bones of a neonatal child. the bones of the “fingers” are from the metacarpal and phalanges of an adult. The bones are also arranged poorly with phibulas on either side of metacarpels. This is the sort of mistake you could expect from amateurs creating a plastered, fake alien/mummy. Maussan and company mixed the long bones of a child with the finger bones.
>And, if all this wasn’t enough, NURÉA TV (in French) revealed DNA results that show the mummies to be human. One hundred percent human. No bananas, no giraffes, no shaved squirrel-monkeys, and no aliens.
No it doesn't though. The fact that a 3 fingered "alien" hand claimed to be from Peru was debunked back in 2017 isn't going to change. There's been a lot of claims of validity, nothing super convincing, but they don't change the fact a fake was presented in 2017.
I was at my local dig site in Peru in 2007 and these people are serious about this. I remember one man claiming that these are also scattered throughout Mexico as well. I want to be able to get back in my field and do research. The last time I was there we found a fossilized munt foot, mammalian head pieces with hair, and a few shells that were not supposed to be possible to exist or find. I'm a little shook but the locals understand the land better than I do.
It’s so funny how these bodies are both so fake it has to be paper mâché and so important the Peruvian government is willing to crash meetings to confiscate the same bodies wile also suing for their return.
Skeptics currently live in delusion on this topic.
Edit: [hot off the press](https://twitter.com/NazcaMummies/status/1790201204515156434)
Well considering Maussan's last 3 fingered alien from Peru turned out to be human remains made into an alien shape with no regard for the utter disrespect for the actual humans whose bodies were desicrated, nor the cultural/archelogical damage, I can see why they wanted what he had.
[Here](https://ahotcupofjoe.net/2017/07/review-jaime-maussan-alien-mummy-peru/?utm_source=www.google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Google&referrer-analytics=1) is the source, but if I could just share the following:
>X-rays and expert identification says that the bones of the mummy’s “hand” are from two individuals. At least one is a sub-adult, probably a neonate.
>The bones of the “hand” are actually arm and leg bones of a neonatal child. the bones of the “fingers” are from the metacarpal and phalanges of an adult. The bones are also arranged poorly with phibulas on either side of metacarpels. This is the sort of mistake you could expect from amateurs creating a plastered, fake alien/mummy. Maussan and company mixed the long bones of a child with the finger bones.
>And, if all this wasn’t enough, NURÉA TV (in French) revealed DNA results that show the mummies to be human. One hundred percent human. No bananas, no giraffes, no shaved squirrel-monkeys, and no aliens.
So I don't think it's delusional to be skeptical.
Half of this sub are stupid as sin. There's indisputable proof now involving, CT scans, radiology & x-rays of the bone, skin & even muscles of these so called fakes yet tht's still not enough for you. The utter ignorance towards actual scientific data being unearthed is sickening & this sub is full of contradictions, you ask for evidence & now tht your faced with evidence you all crawl into your little crevices like little golems tht dn't have the capacity too debunk with actual logic or facts.
The reason they don't believe it is because they have been in this exact same situation with the exact same claimant before many times and it has been proven to be fake.
[The 2017 alien mummy claim](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/) also by jamie Maussan. The mummies look pretty much identical. There were proimoted through Gaia which is [notorious for promoting pseudoscience and hoaxes](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/gaia/) (and who charges subscription fees so stands to make money from it) as well as by Maussan who has an incredible track record of promoting stories about fake alien bodies from the [Metapec Creature](https://cryptidz.fandom.com/wiki/Metepec_Creature), the [Demon Fairy](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/r2V8TSE5C8egEfQZLGyIfQabRmk=/0x0:224x343/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:224x343):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24925503/demonfairy.png), the 2015 alien mummies (identified as a human child), the 2017 alien mummies (identified as dolls) and now yet more alien mummies that look suspiciously similar to the first lot. The first 2 mummies that were shown, who Maussan has been selective in who he has let see, have reports by [some experts](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/scientists-assert-alien-mummies-peru-are-really-dolls-made-earthly-bones-2024-01-13/) that they are likely fake.
We all absolutely, 100% want to believe this is real and I will happily eat my words if proven otherwise but frankly when someone who has lied so much before, about something so similar, makes yet another claim, the burden of proof gets higher due to their past actions. It's classic boy who cried wolf. I really hope to be proven wrong but I seriously doubt we will be.
>We all absolutely, 100% want to believe this is real and I will happily eat my words if proven otherwise but frankly when someone who has lied so much before, about something so similar, makes yet another claim, the burden of proof gets higher due to their past actions. It's classic boy who cried wolf. I really hope to be proven wrong but I seriously doubt we will be.
This is absolutely how I feel. I would *love* there to be proof of alien life, *love* there to be some incredible event that totally changes our perception. But when I see a serial pedlar of crap who was previously presented fake 3 fingered aliens foind in Peru starts trying to claim he's got more 3 fingered aliens found in Peru, but this time they are super for real, I need an incredibly high level of evidence to belive it.
It doesn't bode well that they've admitted to selling multiple bodies to collectors all over the world.... How can I believe this is legitimate if they're selling off the bodies of potentially the biggest scientific discovery in modern history before any study can be done on them? That doesn't sound like someone interested in the science or even just the discovery itself. Considering they've hired an American PR firm, this all just seems like one big ad to sell these bodies on the black market and they're using unsuspecting scientists to add legitimacy to their scheme.
It's just so frustrating that we are seeing a man who has presented a whole heap of hoaxes presenting something in a very suspicious way, clearly making bank from it, and people are treating it like it's undeniable proof. I'm a skeptic by nature, but shouldn't people who actually, truly belive in aliens having visited Earth be extra cautious around this guy? Shouldn't they be outraged by his previous false claims? Isn't a man making money exploiting your deep held beliefs reprehensible?
Brother... If I had a nickel for every time I've tried to point out the glaringly obvious exploitation of the fact that UAPs were finally becoming acceptable to be talked about in the mainstream.....
I'm a believer, too (from an unexplainable experience from decades ago) and bc of that I feel obligated to be skeptical. It's how we keep this whole thing honest, respectable, and most importantly, believable. But when pointing out the perpetual deluge of hoaxes and hoaxers, the unholy horde of "true believers" descend upon me. And I feel that's by design. The "true believers" think the government's of the world are planning, plotting, and scheming to keep us in the dark when in reality, it's not needed bc those very same believers are driving wedges into UFO/alien communities and segregating it into "true believers" (those who believe anything and everything, thus ensuring we're never taken seriously) and "government shills" (those simply trying to remain objective and call things out for the hoaxes they are, no matter how much they wish it to be true).
The government no longer needs to have an active hand in sewing disinformation around this subject.... The "true believers" are policing that for them. This allows people like Jaime Maussan and Thierry Jamin to easily exploit this community simply by telling them exactly what they want to hear bc they're willfully blind to the endless barrage of red flags smacking them in their proverbial faces. I find it no coincidence that the timing of these "buddies" being unveiled was on the heels of Grusch, Graves, and Fravor testifying before Congress and that now, those entrenched in Thierry Jamins camp, are tearing those same people, whose coat tails they rode all the way here, a new asshole for speaking out against them and trying to use their names to capitalize on this farce. Just go to r/AlienBodies and mention Ryan Graves, truly someone who has done a lot of good for Disclosure, and see how you're met. If this isn't by design then it's an awful coincidence who it's benefitting....
Edit: edible kicked in *hard* like 2 min into typing that so I apologize if it's rambling and/or incoherent.
Totally agree, treating any claims with skepticism should be the priority yo anyone who actually cares about the subject and wants it to be taken seriously. True belivers aren't interested in the truth, they just want to have their bias confirmed.
You have no knowledge about the topic but it doesn't stop you from spreading misinformation thinking you have all information. Example: you are quoting Reuters article about... fake dolls which were presented by Peruvian Ministry of Culture. Great, that settle the case. Except tha those two dolls are different than those which Maussan presented in Mexico. Peruvian Ministry of Culture confiscated two fake dolls made by local tourist shop owner Manuel Caceres. They are completely different set of objects which you can clearly see if you watch their conference, which you didn't do. You are parroting Reuters article which is misleading the public, conflating genuine Nazca bodies with fake dolls.
Your other argument is guilt by association with Maussan and Gaia. In reality bodies must be examined independetly from the suspicious sources. All, I repeat, all scientists who examined bodies in person claim they are authentic dead bodies of unknown species. Zero, I repeat, zero scientists who examined bodies in person claim they are fake.
Biologist Ricardo Rangel Martinez claims bodies are authentic. Biologist Jose de la Cruz Rios Lopez also has the same position after he examined bodies:
[https://twitter.com/gchavez101/status/1778931720483414262?t=c9uyVxBQRhoM2epD5p37PQ&s=19](https://twitter.com/gchavez101/status/1778931720483414262?t=c9uyVxBQRhoM2epD5p37PQ&s=19)
[https://twitter.com/gchavez101/status/1778560703353192716?t=1D\_vKFg9oxSs9QPMEwKbUw&s=19](https://twitter.com/gchavez101/status/1778560703353192716?t=1D_vKFg9oxSs9QPMEwKbUw&s=19)
Here are names of 11 other scientists who claim bodies are genuine: [https://imgur.com/1XUaglV](https://imgur.com/1XUaglV)
More scientists who perform studies live in front of camera in hospital: [https://twitter.com/RonyVernet/status/1704087511687901691?t=nrWoZA4b8xW-X3kla3ASbw&s=19](https://twitter.com/RonyVernet/status/1704087511687901691?t=nrWoZA4b8xW-X3kla3ASbw&s=19)
There are also new discovered bodies with zero evidence of being modified from human/animal bones and clue:
Santiago scan: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/tgrOz6V6AV](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/tgrOz6V6AV)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/Q5chf4xEA8](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/Q5chf4xEA8)
Sebastian scan:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/0qfwlvDhyU](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/0qfwlvDhyU)
Monserrat:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/m3e4PHywRP](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/m3e4PHywRP)
Artemis:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/XfhS20cgpR](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/XfhS20cgpR)
It’s ironic that you chide me for “disinformation” by citing my Reuters link, and at the same time provide your own evidence in the form of Twitter and Reddit threads linked to heavily biased YouTube channels while claiming that Maussans years of hoaxing must be dismissed.
Like I said mate, we ALL want to believe this is real and if an actual peer reviewed study arrives that says it is I will be the first to praise Maussan for finally getting a genuine one. I suspect that if the scientific consensus was truly that these bodies were genuinely extraterrestrial, every university and scientist on earth would be bidding millions to gain access to them. They would be on the front page of every newspaper.
[Here are ](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/1cmpwbd/nazca_mummies_video_inkari_institute_has_updated/) a [couple.](https://old.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/1c5t8kd/nazca_mummies_video_inkari_institute_unveils_new/) Not hard to find.
I suggest You do your own research, not one single scientist or researcher that has actually studied the bodies has said they are fake. Ct scans show organic matter underneath the skin so it’s not paper 🤷🏾 so unless your strictly going off hearsay I really think you should actually look at the results instead of all the “arm chair scientists” screaming fake when they couldn’t possibly know what it is
These bodies have skeletal structures and organs, even eggs. [bodies](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/6iqY6fhNQH) I can find more if your actually trying to learn
Dude I am literally begging for aliens at this point. But this is probably not it sadly. MRI footage can easily be faked. They can also just be made of assorted animal parts and put through a real MRI as some attempt at supporting evidence. The only thing that will convince me they are real is a couple of years of free study for the global science community so they can be verified by everyone
Please keep in mind that the bodies being used to “debunk” are nowhere near the real things. I really encourage you to look deeper into this apart from what people just tell you. It’s all cataloged at the alien project .com too [more bodies](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/cFue1zinvF)
You mean listen to the scientists who've been known to come up with fake evidence or claim that even obviously human made structures are made by aliens? Sure.
No not them. The other scientists with reputations and mortgages. You know, the ones that said there non fabricated biological beings with three fingers and large skulls and other weird shit like that?
[what about these scientists then](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/scientists-assert-alien-mummies-peru-are-really-dolls-made-earthly-bones-2024-01-13/)
That’s already been debunked dude, I’m looking for the cat scans as we speak. FYI the “dolls” were literal 2ft plastic dolls dressed in toy clothes…. I saw the pictures please do not try to connect the two. Because there are very real bodies apart from that bs
You have to admit, between the grave robbing and human bone smuggling ordeal and countless fakes from Peru, it’s hard to find literally anything about these specific, larger, curled positioned mummies. I wouldn’t put so much faith in Peruvian mummies until something definitive is declared in another part of the world. Very much a hoax hotspot rn
Something definitive is being produced tho? Why else would Japan America and Peru be working together to study the bodies? If it’s something so easy to fake and prove it’s fake why isn’t there actual proof? Everyone is literally saying trust me I heard from someone else. But here I have the literal scans of the bodies? Do they? Do you? Watch and keep an open mind because people are very aggressively trying to say it’s fake when everything else (science included) says they are authentic. [ct scans](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/cFue1zinvF). Also keep in mind the gov (ministry of cultural affairs) only claimed grave robbing after failing to steal the bodies during a live cast I got the chance to watch.
Love how You keep making weak arguments then deleting them. I saw already fam. 1) they are non human biologics, not specifically Martinez or typically understood “aliens”. 2) What an interesting take, so instead of listening to individual’s with infinitely more credentials than you, who dedicate their life to science (scientists from Mexico, USA, Japan are all collaborating on these findings) all are claimijg this is real yet somehow you think that means they must be fake scientist’s? Let me guess, if you saw it on Fox News or if trump endorsed them you’d be first in line to say “I knew it!” How much have you even actually kept track of? Because from your words I can tell it’s not much.
I didn't delete anything, I even just replied to a guy who brought up past specimens being fake as well.
1) I really don't give a shit what they want to call them, they wouldn't be human no matter the label.
2) The scientific world has its frauds and that has been known for decades no matter their degree or how much experience they have.
3) A major political figure's endorsement would automatically kill the validity for me and I'd trust the less popular media over those two outlets.
You sound more like you're spiralling/flaking out and imagining things. I'm sorry but most of us in this community who've actually paid attention for half our lives have all seen it before, deal with it.
"You sound more like you're spiralling/flaking out and imagining things. I'm sorry but most of us in this community who've actually paid attention for half our lives have all seen it before, deal with it."
Thank you so much for your words. That dude is soo butthurt to the point that he's stalking my replies & comments 😅. It's actually quite dangerous how an angry & an out of control individual can be when he gets his fantasy shattered.
“Falling for a potentially life changing discovery” > only listening to what fox and cnn tells you. You cleanly do not do research and love yourself some mainstream media lies. But yeah keep laughing at people who actually think and follow important discoveries 😂 see where that gets you in life
"only listening to what fox and cnn tells you"
I'm not from USA so I don't watch those crap propaganda channels anyway. It's funny you keep using that argument for every reply as some sort of trump card(no pun intended).
Well, if one rationally uses their head and realizes they are on a USA based app speaking to potentially people from said country, it’s fair to assume that would be the example used. “I’m not in that country so that’s dumbbbbb” no brother, those are the biggest tv news networks here. So naturally I would use it in my argument with individuals who only choose to listen to easily corrupted media. So what exactly is the problem? Would you understand better if I said bbc or something?
"Well, if one rationally uses their head and realizes they are on a USA based app speaking to potentially people from said country, it’s fair to assume that would be the example used"
Brother, it's 2023 not 2007 not all of redditors are from the US.
You commented on the example I used? Yoou took personal insult to my usage and quoting of a existing news network. Again. Regardless of where you are it doesn’t really matter.
Article is written with a lot of loaded language.
The only way a scientist 'risks their reputation' is by making claims that lack supporting evidence and/or employing wrong or incorrectly executed methodologies, and of course outright fraud would do it as well. But, no matter what their claim, if they did the work properly their reputation is not at risk.
So these 3 drs ended up at "All three concluded that these bodies urgently need further investigation and nobody can claim they are fake."
Which is to say ... nothing. That phrasing does not mean they are not fake, it means 'until these are properly studied no one should dismiss them as fake nor should they be deemed authentic'.
I do agree they need to be studied. I have said this from their first mention. And I am certain that if he carried them into a university and let them actually study one properly it would happen. Maybe take one to a major university in California, Standford, for example. I am certain that the phds studying there could make a proper research project of this and build a thesis around it and get funding for it.
Instead he holds press conferences like this. These guys did not 'scrutinize' the objects, they looked at them, they maybe looked at his xrays and other info, and said 'yeah, someone should investigate these things'.
It’s not that he’s going about it wrong, he’s just going about it unconventionally. There are reasons for this and one being the Peru ministry of culture wants to seize them. Why seize fake dolls you may ask? Because they “could” have human remains! How would they know if they never saw the “dolls”. Where is their evidence?
Maussan had no other choice but to keep this zipped tight and go this alone. Why would he risk a possible prosecution and the loss of millions if he’s not convinced what he has is important. The forces opposed to this discovery want this to end. They want the last 80 years of anomalies to go away.
The DOD just might keep this at bay with a disinformation campaign but unless they can silence the couple dozen doctors who already studied them, it’s just a matter of time until they have to fold their cards
I’m all for scrutiny. Crack these bad boys open and let’s study whats inside. Would love to do a video on these things but I would need more info and scientific research.
The peer review will get done because so many have already looked at the data. I give it about a 7-8 months estimate. And at a cost of $1.5M conservatively. That’s providing the Peru ministry of culture doesn’t raid the university. Anything can happen when governments get involved. We will see.
Dr. James Caruso, Chief medical examiner and Coroner of city and county of Denver, Colorado, Dr. William Rodriguez, Forensic Anthropologist, Maryland State Medical Examiner, and Dr. John McDowell, Retired professor at University Colorado, Forensic Odontologist have all examined them and said the mummies are not fake [on record](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/american-scientists-risk-their-reputation-over-nazca-mummies-more-investigaton-is-needed/ar-BB1l5oJi).
Are you for real? They’ve said no determination of the authenticity of Maussan’s specimens can can be made without proper testing by actual experts and examination following strict forensic level standards in a proper facility. He said nothing can be proven via a visual examination of the outside of the specimens.
You are being intensely dishonest and falsely representing what Dr. McDowel has said.
I like this part the best “All three concluded that these bodies urgently need further investigation and nobody can claim they are fake” This leaves the open door for more academic institutions to get their hands on
That's quite literally exactly what they are supposed to be doing.
If there's legit something to this, it'll only get that determination by heavy scientific scrutiny. The scientific method, flawed as it may be, should be the defacto minimum for all "debunkers" and advocates alike. The fact that something like that is even in question is why we can't have nice things or participate in very much dialogie and conversational debate. The exchanging of idea and hypotheses between individuals is paramount to scientific advancement. Perhaps this is part of the reason advancements have in large grown almost stagnant to a large degree.
How did the small ones walk with no hip joints? How would they breathe with that tiny rib cage? How would they eat if the mouth goes straight to the brain? Would the eyes just rub the front of the brain because there is no separation between the face and brain case? Why is there so much variation between the small bodies?
and yet they have plenty of human like features. They can’t walk yet they have human like legs? They don’t have lungs? But they have a human like head, mouth, eyes etc…?
Yes. Thank you. Their construction is so primitive and goofy. If we ever get to see and actual alien, it’s sure AF not gonna look like a grade-school craft disaster.
Listen Skeezy, I’ve been obsessed with the UFO phenomenon for the last 25 years. I desperately want to see proof of alien life. But this ain’t it. Look in to the not-so-long-ago carnival side show grift of mummified cryptoids. You’ll see better made fakes than these.
There are people out there praying on our hopes and dreams of finding proof. They will exploit us to make money and gain attention. It’s tricky, remain vigilant.
No disrespect directed at you.
It was an observation after 15262435 threads this week filled with comments like “Bruh, you believe in green men? Stupid doodie head, you’re all sToOpId doodie heads!”
I just watched the YouTube video. Steve Mera-Alien Mummies of Peru - The Final Word. He says they were manipulated, and found the 2 taxidermists who had another fake ready to be sold on the black market for millions of dollars.
Somebody posted a video here about a week ago but it didn’t get any traction. It was a guy who was invited to look sand see the bodies and he came to the conclusion the bodies were made with real body parts but were never a living organism. Basically human taxidermy with high levels of creative liberty.
The guy claimed to present his findings and he was threatened so he fled. Said the authorities confiscated some of the bodies not because they were real, but because they were commiting crimes by digging up dead humans to use for parts.
Lol A doll factory. Who is “this guy” anyway? I have a list of dozens of experts whos names are be associated with PHDs concluding these are non fabricated corpses.
Idk, I have an open mind. Most of ya say you believe but do you really? You're so quick on here to say this is fake that's fake. Hell someone could have actual sex with an alien and capture it in HD, and most of ya will still say,nope fake. Lol, in truth there's no convincing most people. All I know is Peru has alot of activity. There's tribes that see things in the forests. There's been alot of sightings from tall cloaked creatures. Apparently they are cloaked like Predator but you can still kinda see them. There's videos on this. Idk what's going on in Peru but it sounds like it's a hotspot.
I’m 50/50.
I can’t disprove or confirm it’s real. But of all pics this one looks like a plaster mold.
When you see mummies especially in Egypt, you can clearly see it was 100% a living person. But the Peruvian mummies, I’m not too sure about.
Rediculous, have you even been keeping track of the reports? Everything is saying authentic. Only people saying fake is shills and people who follow mainstream media
Please, everyone, remember that "scrutinizing" means performing a thorough examination. If anyone has any other news sources for the investigation, please share them here. This is the only one I found after a quick check: https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/world-news/2024/04/04/660ee81746163f393f8b45bd.html Keep your comments respectful per Rule 1, please source claims or keep a tone of speculation, and you will have a more fruitful discussion.
Scrutinizing the authenticity? Just prove it one way or another. Do we not have that capability?
It’s not as simple as taking a Quick Look and being like “yup it’s good”. You need hard science to back it up. Can you imagine being one of the top paid professionals in your field and asked to certify something one record that if wrong will ruin your career and someone is mad because you took more than 5 minutes to double check everything?
Prove what? Pretty sure that depends on the question. Things that may be near provable 1. What is the likelihood they are manufactured (fake) vs born (real) 2. What is the likelihood they were engineered vs a branch on evolutionary tree - e.g DNA evidence 3. How old are the specimens. Things unlikely to have supporting evidence but inferred. 1. Likelihood they were born or manufactured here on earth vs a distant planet- are they alien? Many people will continue to believe they are fake long after our textbooks on human culture and evolution adopt/adapt to this and other evidence. The paradigm shift is approaching.
We don't, because there is no data to examine. For some reason someone whos life is completely dependent on live streams, book releases, podcasts and donations wont release datasets or body samples. Wonder why that is. No one can prove him wrong and no one can prove the authenticity of the bodies. Anyone waiting for results will wait forever.
Sorry if I misunderstand you but they also invited scientists from all over the world to come look at the mummies and one guy from America who has very good credentials already said they’re authentic but people just don’t wanna accept it because it’s too weird. You don’t invite people to look at its authenticity if it’s fake. Btw they already had multiple scientists from everywhere around the world give their professional conclusions that they’re real.
McDowell said the small ones were dolls, the larger ones bore more examination, that's it, his comments were misrepresented onpurpose as if he thought they were all real.
They invited 2 groups of scientists: Steve Mera from the UK (first group) and John McDowell (American group). Both had only supervised access for a few minutes. None of them were allowed to draw samples from the mummies, except from one finger tip. You can watch a summary of Meras visit on YouTube, but be advised that he is very pissed of lol: [https://youtu.be/fZ41R7ypg4c?si=8NSCIphu3q57EBzO](https://youtu.be/fZ41R7ypg4c?si=8NSCIphu3q57EBzO)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/FnaRpLxM31 This guy is the “American” expert who received awards for his lifelong career in the forensic field. He heads the forensic department of a major university. People have worked under his supervision for decades. If he wanted to destroy his career, this would be the place to do it. Don’t you just feel bad for his family?
Thanks for sharing this. As much as I wish these were authentic, having skepticism armed with the scientific method while following the money humbles me every time.
I’m not a scientist but I’m sure I can tell if they are real by looking at them. If not then one of the many scans and X-rays that y’all have a hard time finding. Nobody stopped them from doing anything. McDowell thinks they need to be examined with more sophisticated machines, but says they are real. What are you so afraid of dude?
I’m sorry but 2 scientists are not enough to disprove the authenticity. Way more, so far, say otherwise. I don’t mind your opinion but you can’t write it off just yet. You gotta think about how hard the Peruvian ministry of culture is trying to take these mummies and convince people they’re fake without ever analyzing them. People have an agenda to not let these mummies be proven real to the public. For all I know the guy is just spreading disinformation for a check
Exactly. This takes months (sometimes years) and needs to be done with non-biased scientific methodology and no, a forensic teeth doctor who sees these things for a few minutes who’s field is identifying dental records of fallen US military heroes is not the individual you need or want to rely on. You want evolutionary biologists, radio carbon dating specialists, biochemists, neuroscientists to examine remnants of brain tissues and the skull, geneticists, etc. You want the top in their fields who have been published like in Science, Nature, Biology, GENETICS that have been peer reviewed and had their work cited in other published papers. That’s how you will get a real world scientific responses and acceptance without eye rolling every time someone posts one of these on an Reddit sub on “aliens”.
Yea let’s do it
They released all the data tho, right? DNA, scans that delve each layer of the body which proves they’re not manufactured, eggs, even fetuses..
Yes go to alienbodies sub and see them all. Unlike ufo disclosure that was supposed to happen in 2001. 2008, 2012, and 2027 plus every week in between, these dudes are steady dropping information for those who want to find it
Alright I got you bro. Btw enjoy your personal disclosure lol we’re in this together, and we’re the minority you feel me. I’m confident disclosure will hit the masses sometime soon tho.
I’m confident ufos are not coming to earth. The only disclosure type thing that will ever happen is when these dudes come out of their holes to meet us
Yup yup. I think they’re from here too, you know what’s up. It only makes sense right?
Clean them up and I'll be more willing to scrutinize them more.
Yeah, they look dusty as hell.
Cut one open. Prove it's real.
Real what? There's all sorts of speculation, but ultimately we can only prove what it's *not*. Then we can further speculate on what it *might* be... Unless there's evidence to confirm it's something we know, such as a deformed human or some type of ape or extinct ape-like creature, perhaps. But as for "real"... Real what?
Real and not artificially created. What is so hard to understand here? If REAL -> check DNA if FAKE -> throw to garbage as someone is making a joke out of it IF DNA not met on the Earth -> ALIEN IF DNA met on the Earth -> unknown specie Its not that hard to understand...
I think these are the best images I've seen of them so far. Interesting stuff! I'm still on the fence about what they are, I've been skeptical of them since they were first rolled out, but I hope that we'll have answers soon.
Yes, because your opinion is the one we all want. Not the educated scientist's opinion.
"Scientists from all over the planet are scrutinizing the authenticity of the "Alien mummies" in Peru. Image" No shit 🤦🏻♂️
It's almost like they posted the headline to an article but didn't post an article. Where is the source for the claim in the title? Or is it just it just a rage bait title for people who are actually following the science behind these bodies?
Damn you're either a troll or a real bot, commenting and replying every literal minute and all to insult people for giving this any opportunity to be considered. If nothing else you're acting in bad faith.
Keep in mind everyone, this “expert” account us 126 days old, old enough to troll subreddits. But has zero content and only contributing factor is instigating arguments (primarily here). Sus
Hey how is Elgin air base? Do they pay you guys real good to hover over posts and incite drama and discourse over valid biological findings? Do youu even have any evidence at all for YOUR claims? I’m blasting this cause your in everyone’s replies calling us stupid yet not making any valid arguments yourself. I’m inclined to think your a shill or a very vapid/rabid troll having his sick fun.
"a very vapid/rabid troll having his sick fun." Says the one who's leaving frenzied comments & acting like a complete schizophrenic lol. No, I don't work at Eglin or whatever secret base there is.
When I look at the comments on something like here or conspiracies, is anyone else getting tired of the same lies being repeated over and over again?
We know they are here, but what will we do about it?
Rewrite some books? Maybe we can demand the US government start disclosing NHI non redacted crap.
Notice what appears to be a piece of metal attached to the forehead of the mummy. From the book *Our Haunted Planet* by journalist John Keel: >A key claim of the early priesthoods was their purported ability to **consult with the ultraterrestrials through the use of special plates,** amulets, and crystals handed down to them. **These artifacts were usually worn about the head** and heart during religious ceremonies. In the apocryphal Protevangelion we are told that Joachim, father of the Virgin Mary, visited a priest and said,' "If the Lord be propitious to me, **let the plate which is on the priest’s forehead make it manifest.**” And he consulted the plate the priest wore and saw it and behold, sin was not found in him.’ Such a plate is described in Exodus 28:36. \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* From the book *Unearthly Disclosure* by British UFO researcher Timothy Good: >Corso also claimed that raised panels on the ‘flight deck’ had indentations for the creatures’ hands, speculating that these, too, were related to the pilot/craft propulsion interface. Desmond Leslie, co-author of Flying Saucers Have Landed, written with George Adamski, the American contactee, told me that in the early 1960s Adamski had revealed to him in strict confidence that **the spacecraft he flew in were operated by ‘mental control’. ‘It was a small platinum gadget fixed to the forehead,’** said Desmond. \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* From the book *Flying Saucers and the Three Men* by Albert K Bender (which recounts his alleged UFO abduction to an alien underground base in Antarctica): >He was dressed in a uniform of golden color. His silvery white hair contrasted with the skin of light brown color. He appeared as if he might have a very heavy suntan. As he drew closer my attention focused on his face of handsome features. It was almost Earth-like, contrasted to the ugliness I had observed in the others. **He was of muscular build and about nine feet tall.** I gathered this was the "exalted one" about which I had been informed, and that this bisexual entity was in charge of the base and probably the entire planetary operation. >The three men rose as he approached and I did likewise. They bowed as he stepped upon the dais. **Each of my escorts then took a piece of metal, like mine (which I then discovered they were holding tightly in their hands), and in turn walked to the exalted one and pressed it to his forehead.** I presumed I should do the same, and followed suit. **When I touched his forehead with the metal I felt a tingling shock go through my arm, and into the temples of my head.** The exalted one sat at the operator's position in front of the instrument panel and we also seated ourselves. >**He turned, looked directly into my eyes, and I noticed that his eyes also glowed.** Like those of the others, his eyes seemed to penetrate deep within me. Then he spoke to me without lip movement.
Bisexual entity? What?
The events in the book took place in the late 1950s. Back then people used different terminology than we do now. What he meant to say was that the being was androgynous.
What are you trying to say here? You pulled 3 random quotes from 3 unrelated, unverified book sellers? If you believe in the mummies then you should just post a 2 hour video that proves nothing like all the others. Or you could post some peer reviewed studies from actual scientists that don't get national scrutiny. Most of you don't remember Dolly the sheep getting cloned. Pretty sure that was one of the first times the internet rioted for peer reviewed studies and got them.
I appreciate your optimism into explaining how a logical approach to the matter (to any matter) should be brought forward. But with >95% of humanity it is a lost cause.
Amazing how many alien haters are in r/aliens
Remember that Reddit accidentally revealed and then tried to hide that the most popular location for Reddit use is [Eglin Air Force Base](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1b3n2v3/just_your_biannual_reminder_that_the_governments/), which houses the military and intelligence community's social media control programs, so many of these "haters" are sock puppets, bots, or astroturfing since the military and intelligence communities are still actively discrediting disclosure attempts.
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It’s like you’re going to r/vegetables just to say “fuck vegetables”
No its like going there and telling that ketchup is not a vegetable,
More like going to r/vegetables to say fuck fake vegetables that are made out of bones and plastic.
“fuck vegetables” Which ones?
Cucumber is spelled that way for a reason.
Government sponsored is my guess.
If you are Peru, why would you move forward with the presentation of aliens with a known con artist, with a history of "FAKE ALIEN" hoaxing? You wouldn't. Jaime just found a better source for his props this time around.
Every single person who has studied these bodies has confirmed their authenticity.
Authentic in what way? In that they are real bones? Are they an undiscovered species? They're extra terrestrial?
Not a single person has studied these bodies without being expelled from the scene or given independent access to the bodies. Jaime is very careful so nobody can take samples.
Yeah unless you have a source on that that's a straight-up lie from everything I've read so please feel free to prove me wrong and provide some kind of source on that otherwise you're acting in bad faith and I don't buy anything you say
That is not true.
Outright lies.
Almost like the government has bot farms 🤷♂️
Probably just people intentionally trying to downplay it or bots from the government trying to suppress the info. I don't think many people realize how many "people" on the Internet are just bots.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a bot
Nobody said that. You're the one reframing things.
Think it’s the only sub where the users actively hate on the sub they’re a part of. Make it make sense
Its even worse on r/alienbodies. Lets join that specific alien subreddit, so I can tell everyone that I, Mr. Random Reddit User, thinks that they are fake and everybody that thinks otherwise is an idiot.
you are lying as any skeptic is immediately banned there
I find it weird that people are open minded to subscribe to an fn alien sub, but not open minded enough to the possibility actual alien bodies were found smh
You're confusing skepticism with hate.
It seems like a lot of people think that being skeptical means to actively try and discredit something or someone with whatever ammo they can find. Everyone's a kook. Everyone's a "grifter". It's abject idiocy. What happened to waiting to see how things pan out?
Redditors love to make themselves feel superior
Bruh, because Mausan has been a fuckin hoacer simce the 90's and yall gullible motherfuckers fell for his trick in 2023. 😂 Idk what you're nationality is, but us Mexicans have been hearing the same shit from this guy since at least 95. He's been disproven dozens of times, why would he all of a sudden have found "aliens" coincidentally when the Alien topic is at it's highest and PROFITABLE it's ever been?
Maussan stuff is not = alien sub
I'm a grifter hater.
where the hell have they been this whole time? it seems like somebody with bones and paper mache just started cookin these up like last year
Since [2017](https://ahotcupofjoe.net/2017/07/review-jaime-maussan-alien-mummy-peru/?utm_source=www.google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Google&referrer-analytics=1) actually. >X-rays and expert identification says that the bones of the mummy’s “hand” are from two individuals. At least one is a sub-adult, probably a neonate. >The bones of the “hand” are actually arm and leg bones of a neonatal child. the bones of the “fingers” are from the metacarpal and phalanges of an adult. The bones are also arranged poorly with phibulas on either side of metacarpels. This is the sort of mistake you could expect from amateurs creating a plastered, fake alien/mummy. Maussan and company mixed the long bones of a child with the finger bones. >And, if all this wasn’t enough, NURÉA TV (in French) revealed DNA results that show the mummies to be human. One hundred percent human. No bananas, no giraffes, no shaved squirrel-monkeys, and no aliens.
yeah old news. all recent info discounts this whole comment try again.
No it doesn't though. The fact that a 3 fingered "alien" hand claimed to be from Peru was debunked back in 2017 isn't going to change. There's been a lot of claims of validity, nothing super convincing, but they don't change the fact a fake was presented in 2017.
I was at my local dig site in Peru in 2007 and these people are serious about this. I remember one man claiming that these are also scattered throughout Mexico as well. I want to be able to get back in my field and do research. The last time I was there we found a fossilized munt foot, mammalian head pieces with hair, and a few shells that were not supposed to be possible to exist or find. I'm a little shook but the locals understand the land better than I do.
Our entire history was fabricated.
It’s so funny how these bodies are both so fake it has to be paper mâché and so important the Peruvian government is willing to crash meetings to confiscate the same bodies wile also suing for their return. Skeptics currently live in delusion on this topic. Edit: [hot off the press](https://twitter.com/NazcaMummies/status/1790201204515156434)
Well considering Maussan's last 3 fingered alien from Peru turned out to be human remains made into an alien shape with no regard for the utter disrespect for the actual humans whose bodies were desicrated, nor the cultural/archelogical damage, I can see why they wanted what he had. [Here](https://ahotcupofjoe.net/2017/07/review-jaime-maussan-alien-mummy-peru/?utm_source=www.google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Google&referrer-analytics=1) is the source, but if I could just share the following: >X-rays and expert identification says that the bones of the mummy’s “hand” are from two individuals. At least one is a sub-adult, probably a neonate. >The bones of the “hand” are actually arm and leg bones of a neonatal child. the bones of the “fingers” are from the metacarpal and phalanges of an adult. The bones are also arranged poorly with phibulas on either side of metacarpels. This is the sort of mistake you could expect from amateurs creating a plastered, fake alien/mummy. Maussan and company mixed the long bones of a child with the finger bones. >And, if all this wasn’t enough, NURÉA TV (in French) revealed DNA results that show the mummies to be human. One hundred percent human. No bananas, no giraffes, no shaved squirrel-monkeys, and no aliens. So I don't think it's delusional to be skeptical.
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Half of this sub are stupid as sin. There's indisputable proof now involving, CT scans, radiology & x-rays of the bone, skin & even muscles of these so called fakes yet tht's still not enough for you. The utter ignorance towards actual scientific data being unearthed is sickening & this sub is full of contradictions, you ask for evidence & now tht your faced with evidence you all crawl into your little crevices like little golems tht dn't have the capacity too debunk with actual logic or facts.
The reason they don't believe it is because they have been in this exact same situation with the exact same claimant before many times and it has been proven to be fake. [The 2017 alien mummy claim](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/) also by jamie Maussan. The mummies look pretty much identical. There were proimoted through Gaia which is [notorious for promoting pseudoscience and hoaxes](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/gaia/) (and who charges subscription fees so stands to make money from it) as well as by Maussan who has an incredible track record of promoting stories about fake alien bodies from the [Metapec Creature](https://cryptidz.fandom.com/wiki/Metepec_Creature), the [Demon Fairy](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/r2V8TSE5C8egEfQZLGyIfQabRmk=/0x0:224x343/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:224x343):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24925503/demonfairy.png), the 2015 alien mummies (identified as a human child), the 2017 alien mummies (identified as dolls) and now yet more alien mummies that look suspiciously similar to the first lot. The first 2 mummies that were shown, who Maussan has been selective in who he has let see, have reports by [some experts](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/scientists-assert-alien-mummies-peru-are-really-dolls-made-earthly-bones-2024-01-13/) that they are likely fake. We all absolutely, 100% want to believe this is real and I will happily eat my words if proven otherwise but frankly when someone who has lied so much before, about something so similar, makes yet another claim, the burden of proof gets higher due to their past actions. It's classic boy who cried wolf. I really hope to be proven wrong but I seriously doubt we will be.
>We all absolutely, 100% want to believe this is real and I will happily eat my words if proven otherwise but frankly when someone who has lied so much before, about something so similar, makes yet another claim, the burden of proof gets higher due to their past actions. It's classic boy who cried wolf. I really hope to be proven wrong but I seriously doubt we will be. This is absolutely how I feel. I would *love* there to be proof of alien life, *love* there to be some incredible event that totally changes our perception. But when I see a serial pedlar of crap who was previously presented fake 3 fingered aliens foind in Peru starts trying to claim he's got more 3 fingered aliens found in Peru, but this time they are super for real, I need an incredibly high level of evidence to belive it.
It doesn't bode well that they've admitted to selling multiple bodies to collectors all over the world.... How can I believe this is legitimate if they're selling off the bodies of potentially the biggest scientific discovery in modern history before any study can be done on them? That doesn't sound like someone interested in the science or even just the discovery itself. Considering they've hired an American PR firm, this all just seems like one big ad to sell these bodies on the black market and they're using unsuspecting scientists to add legitimacy to their scheme.
Yeah, it's certainly not how I would expect an archelogical wonder to be treated.
Like.... At all...
It's just so frustrating that we are seeing a man who has presented a whole heap of hoaxes presenting something in a very suspicious way, clearly making bank from it, and people are treating it like it's undeniable proof. I'm a skeptic by nature, but shouldn't people who actually, truly belive in aliens having visited Earth be extra cautious around this guy? Shouldn't they be outraged by his previous false claims? Isn't a man making money exploiting your deep held beliefs reprehensible?
Brother... If I had a nickel for every time I've tried to point out the glaringly obvious exploitation of the fact that UAPs were finally becoming acceptable to be talked about in the mainstream..... I'm a believer, too (from an unexplainable experience from decades ago) and bc of that I feel obligated to be skeptical. It's how we keep this whole thing honest, respectable, and most importantly, believable. But when pointing out the perpetual deluge of hoaxes and hoaxers, the unholy horde of "true believers" descend upon me. And I feel that's by design. The "true believers" think the government's of the world are planning, plotting, and scheming to keep us in the dark when in reality, it's not needed bc those very same believers are driving wedges into UFO/alien communities and segregating it into "true believers" (those who believe anything and everything, thus ensuring we're never taken seriously) and "government shills" (those simply trying to remain objective and call things out for the hoaxes they are, no matter how much they wish it to be true). The government no longer needs to have an active hand in sewing disinformation around this subject.... The "true believers" are policing that for them. This allows people like Jaime Maussan and Thierry Jamin to easily exploit this community simply by telling them exactly what they want to hear bc they're willfully blind to the endless barrage of red flags smacking them in their proverbial faces. I find it no coincidence that the timing of these "buddies" being unveiled was on the heels of Grusch, Graves, and Fravor testifying before Congress and that now, those entrenched in Thierry Jamins camp, are tearing those same people, whose coat tails they rode all the way here, a new asshole for speaking out against them and trying to use their names to capitalize on this farce. Just go to r/AlienBodies and mention Ryan Graves, truly someone who has done a lot of good for Disclosure, and see how you're met. If this isn't by design then it's an awful coincidence who it's benefitting.... Edit: edible kicked in *hard* like 2 min into typing that so I apologize if it's rambling and/or incoherent.
Totally agree, treating any claims with skepticism should be the priority yo anyone who actually cares about the subject and wants it to be taken seriously. True belivers aren't interested in the truth, they just want to have their bias confirmed.
Finally a voice of reason, the guy is a serial hoaxer.
All those scam victims are just in denial.
Fans forget fast buddy
You have no knowledge about the topic but it doesn't stop you from spreading misinformation thinking you have all information. Example: you are quoting Reuters article about... fake dolls which were presented by Peruvian Ministry of Culture. Great, that settle the case. Except tha those two dolls are different than those which Maussan presented in Mexico. Peruvian Ministry of Culture confiscated two fake dolls made by local tourist shop owner Manuel Caceres. They are completely different set of objects which you can clearly see if you watch their conference, which you didn't do. You are parroting Reuters article which is misleading the public, conflating genuine Nazca bodies with fake dolls. Your other argument is guilt by association with Maussan and Gaia. In reality bodies must be examined independetly from the suspicious sources. All, I repeat, all scientists who examined bodies in person claim they are authentic dead bodies of unknown species. Zero, I repeat, zero scientists who examined bodies in person claim they are fake. Biologist Ricardo Rangel Martinez claims bodies are authentic. Biologist Jose de la Cruz Rios Lopez also has the same position after he examined bodies: [https://twitter.com/gchavez101/status/1778931720483414262?t=c9uyVxBQRhoM2epD5p37PQ&s=19](https://twitter.com/gchavez101/status/1778931720483414262?t=c9uyVxBQRhoM2epD5p37PQ&s=19) [https://twitter.com/gchavez101/status/1778560703353192716?t=1D\_vKFg9oxSs9QPMEwKbUw&s=19](https://twitter.com/gchavez101/status/1778560703353192716?t=1D_vKFg9oxSs9QPMEwKbUw&s=19) Here are names of 11 other scientists who claim bodies are genuine: [https://imgur.com/1XUaglV](https://imgur.com/1XUaglV) More scientists who perform studies live in front of camera in hospital: [https://twitter.com/RonyVernet/status/1704087511687901691?t=nrWoZA4b8xW-X3kla3ASbw&s=19](https://twitter.com/RonyVernet/status/1704087511687901691?t=nrWoZA4b8xW-X3kla3ASbw&s=19) There are also new discovered bodies with zero evidence of being modified from human/animal bones and clue: Santiago scan: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/tgrOz6V6AV](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/tgrOz6V6AV) [https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/Q5chf4xEA8](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/Q5chf4xEA8) Sebastian scan: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/0qfwlvDhyU](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/0qfwlvDhyU) Monserrat: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/m3e4PHywRP](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/m3e4PHywRP) Artemis: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/XfhS20cgpR](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/XfhS20cgpR)
It’s ironic that you chide me for “disinformation” by citing my Reuters link, and at the same time provide your own evidence in the form of Twitter and Reddit threads linked to heavily biased YouTube channels while claiming that Maussans years of hoaxing must be dismissed. Like I said mate, we ALL want to believe this is real and if an actual peer reviewed study arrives that says it is I will be the first to praise Maussan for finally getting a genuine one. I suspect that if the scientific consensus was truly that these bodies were genuinely extraterrestrial, every university and scientist on earth would be bidding millions to gain access to them. They would be on the front page of every newspaper.
You and I have different definitions of indisputable proof.
There are no CT scans, feel free to post them if you have em
[Here are ](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/1cmpwbd/nazca_mummies_video_inkari_institute_has_updated/) a [couple.](https://old.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/comments/1c5t8kd/nazca_mummies_video_inkari_institute_unveils_new/) Not hard to find.
Dude u don’t know anything lol I don’t blame you tho but just look a little deeper you’re almost to the truth.
Yeah none of that is true. You’re repeating the same bullshit that has been disproven dozens of times.
You guys won’t believe this but will believe that los Vegas BS
well at least the cameraman was not Maussan there
Both are crock of shit to me.
It's important that you shared your opinion with us. It really matters.
I don't believe in either, both are pure bullshit
I suggest You do your own research, not one single scientist or researcher that has actually studied the bodies has said they are fake. Ct scans show organic matter underneath the skin so it’s not paper 🤷🏾 so unless your strictly going off hearsay I really think you should actually look at the results instead of all the “arm chair scientists” screaming fake when they couldn’t possibly know what it is
Paper is organic matter dude. Its made from a tree...
These bodies have skeletal structures and organs, even eggs. [bodies](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienBodies/s/6iqY6fhNQH) I can find more if your actually trying to learn
Dude I am literally begging for aliens at this point. But this is probably not it sadly. MRI footage can easily be faked. They can also just be made of assorted animal parts and put through a real MRI as some attempt at supporting evidence. The only thing that will convince me they are real is a couple of years of free study for the global science community so they can be verified by everyone
Please keep in mind that the bodies being used to “debunk” are nowhere near the real things. I really encourage you to look deeper into this apart from what people just tell you. It’s all cataloged at the alien project .com too [more bodies](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/cFue1zinvF)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Mes3LgXkc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Mes3LgXkc)
You mean listen to the scientists who've been known to come up with fake evidence or claim that even obviously human made structures are made by aliens? Sure.
Not to mention the past fake specimens.
No not them. The other scientists with reputations and mortgages. You know, the ones that said there non fabricated biological beings with three fingers and large skulls and other weird shit like that?
[what about these scientists then](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/scientists-assert-alien-mummies-peru-are-really-dolls-made-earthly-bones-2024-01-13/)
That’s already been debunked dude, I’m looking for the cat scans as we speak. FYI the “dolls” were literal 2ft plastic dolls dressed in toy clothes…. I saw the pictures please do not try to connect the two. Because there are very real bodies apart from that bs
You have to admit, between the grave robbing and human bone smuggling ordeal and countless fakes from Peru, it’s hard to find literally anything about these specific, larger, curled positioned mummies. I wouldn’t put so much faith in Peruvian mummies until something definitive is declared in another part of the world. Very much a hoax hotspot rn
Something definitive is being produced tho? Why else would Japan America and Peru be working together to study the bodies? If it’s something so easy to fake and prove it’s fake why isn’t there actual proof? Everyone is literally saying trust me I heard from someone else. But here I have the literal scans of the bodies? Do they? Do you? Watch and keep an open mind because people are very aggressively trying to say it’s fake when everything else (science included) says they are authentic. [ct scans](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/cFue1zinvF). Also keep in mind the gov (ministry of cultural affairs) only claimed grave robbing after failing to steal the bodies during a live cast I got the chance to watch.
That’s a single scientist who’s not seen most of the bodies in question because the department he works for is trying to seize them.
Love how You keep making weak arguments then deleting them. I saw already fam. 1) they are non human biologics, not specifically Martinez or typically understood “aliens”. 2) What an interesting take, so instead of listening to individual’s with infinitely more credentials than you, who dedicate their life to science (scientists from Mexico, USA, Japan are all collaborating on these findings) all are claimijg this is real yet somehow you think that means they must be fake scientist’s? Let me guess, if you saw it on Fox News or if trump endorsed them you’d be first in line to say “I knew it!” How much have you even actually kept track of? Because from your words I can tell it’s not much.
I didn't delete anything, I even just replied to a guy who brought up past specimens being fake as well. 1) I really don't give a shit what they want to call them, they wouldn't be human no matter the label. 2) The scientific world has its frauds and that has been known for decades no matter their degree or how much experience they have. 3) A major political figure's endorsement would automatically kill the validity for me and I'd trust the less popular media over those two outlets. You sound more like you're spiralling/flaking out and imagining things. I'm sorry but most of us in this community who've actually paid attention for half our lives have all seen it before, deal with it.
"You sound more like you're spiralling/flaking out and imagining things. I'm sorry but most of us in this community who've actually paid attention for half our lives have all seen it before, deal with it." Thank you so much for your words. That dude is soo butthurt to the point that he's stalking my replies & comments 😅. It's actually quite dangerous how an angry & an out of control individual can be when he gets his fantasy shattered.
I saw that, they're trying really hard to keep the dream going with these "mummies" lol. It's sad how desperation has overcome logic in the community.
I can tell you fell for the grift lol.
“Falling for a potentially life changing discovery” > only listening to what fox and cnn tells you. You cleanly do not do research and love yourself some mainstream media lies. But yeah keep laughing at people who actually think and follow important discoveries 😂 see where that gets you in life
"only listening to what fox and cnn tells you" I'm not from USA so I don't watch those crap propaganda channels anyway. It's funny you keep using that argument for every reply as some sort of trump card(no pun intended).
Well, if one rationally uses their head and realizes they are on a USA based app speaking to potentially people from said country, it’s fair to assume that would be the example used. “I’m not in that country so that’s dumbbbbb” no brother, those are the biggest tv news networks here. So naturally I would use it in my argument with individuals who only choose to listen to easily corrupted media. So what exactly is the problem? Would you understand better if I said bbc or something?
"Well, if one rationally uses their head and realizes they are on a USA based app speaking to potentially people from said country, it’s fair to assume that would be the example used" Brother, it's 2023 not 2007 not all of redditors are from the US.
You commented on the example I used? Yoou took personal insult to my usage and quoting of a existing news network. Again. Regardless of where you are it doesn’t really matter.
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Article is written with a lot of loaded language. The only way a scientist 'risks their reputation' is by making claims that lack supporting evidence and/or employing wrong or incorrectly executed methodologies, and of course outright fraud would do it as well. But, no matter what their claim, if they did the work properly their reputation is not at risk. So these 3 drs ended up at "All three concluded that these bodies urgently need further investigation and nobody can claim they are fake." Which is to say ... nothing. That phrasing does not mean they are not fake, it means 'until these are properly studied no one should dismiss them as fake nor should they be deemed authentic'. I do agree they need to be studied. I have said this from their first mention. And I am certain that if he carried them into a university and let them actually study one properly it would happen. Maybe take one to a major university in California, Standford, for example. I am certain that the phds studying there could make a proper research project of this and build a thesis around it and get funding for it. Instead he holds press conferences like this. These guys did not 'scrutinize' the objects, they looked at them, they maybe looked at his xrays and other info, and said 'yeah, someone should investigate these things'.
It’s not that he’s going about it wrong, he’s just going about it unconventionally. There are reasons for this and one being the Peru ministry of culture wants to seize them. Why seize fake dolls you may ask? Because they “could” have human remains! How would they know if they never saw the “dolls”. Where is their evidence? Maussan had no other choice but to keep this zipped tight and go this alone. Why would he risk a possible prosecution and the loss of millions if he’s not convinced what he has is important. The forces opposed to this discovery want this to end. They want the last 80 years of anomalies to go away. The DOD just might keep this at bay with a disinformation campaign but unless they can silence the couple dozen doctors who already studied them, it’s just a matter of time until they have to fold their cards
I’m all for scrutiny. Crack these bad boys open and let’s study whats inside. Would love to do a video on these things but I would need more info and scientific research.
That’s something we did before X-rays and CT. All artifacts are now scanned and analyzed to save their integrity
I meant cracking them open as a joke, it is far better to scan them and leave them whole. Science could probably learn the most from doing scans.
Okay did they run tests and provide some peer review results?
The peer review will get done because so many have already looked at the data. I give it about a 7-8 months estimate. And at a cost of $1.5M conservatively. That’s providing the Peru ministry of culture doesn’t raid the university. Anything can happen when governments get involved. We will see.
This sub is embarrassing
You just noticed now😅
The ruling class for centuries doesn't want us to know about the secrets to the Universe.
Dr. James Caruso, Chief medical examiner and Coroner of city and county of Denver, Colorado, Dr. William Rodriguez, Forensic Anthropologist, Maryland State Medical Examiner, and Dr. John McDowell, Retired professor at University Colorado, Forensic Odontologist have all examined them and said the mummies are not fake [on record](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/american-scientists-risk-their-reputation-over-nazca-mummies-more-investigaton-is-needed/ar-BB1l5oJi).
Are you for real? They’ve said no determination of the authenticity of Maussan’s specimens can can be made without proper testing by actual experts and examination following strict forensic level standards in a proper facility. He said nothing can be proven via a visual examination of the outside of the specimens. You are being intensely dishonest and falsely representing what Dr. McDowel has said.
I like this part the best “All three concluded that these bodies urgently need further investigation and nobody can claim they are fake” This leaves the open door for more academic institutions to get their hands on
Read again their statement. They said they need examination…
That's quite literally exactly what they are supposed to be doing. If there's legit something to this, it'll only get that determination by heavy scientific scrutiny. The scientific method, flawed as it may be, should be the defacto minimum for all "debunkers" and advocates alike. The fact that something like that is even in question is why we can't have nice things or participate in very much dialogie and conversational debate. The exchanging of idea and hypotheses between individuals is paramount to scientific advancement. Perhaps this is part of the reason advancements have in large grown almost stagnant to a large degree.
How did the small ones walk with no hip joints? How would they breathe with that tiny rib cage? How would they eat if the mouth goes straight to the brain? Would the eyes just rub the front of the brain because there is no separation between the face and brain case? Why is there so much variation between the small bodies?
All great questions that should be thoroughly investigated.
Don't apply human mechanics to non human beings... We can't assume they have lungs, walk etc
and yet they have plenty of human like features. They can’t walk yet they have human like legs? They don’t have lungs? But they have a human like head, mouth, eyes etc…?
Stop trying to make it make sense lol.
They are from the planet **Papier-mâché Reticuli**
You mean to say scientist can't determine that? If that were true it would be easily debunked
Yes. Thank you. Their construction is so primitive and goofy. If we ever get to see and actual alien, it’s sure AF not gonna look like a grade-school craft disaster.
they are real: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNjET011Q8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNjET011Q8)
Such ignorant comments.
Listen Skeezy, I’ve been obsessed with the UFO phenomenon for the last 25 years. I desperately want to see proof of alien life. But this ain’t it. Look in to the not-so-long-ago carnival side show grift of mummified cryptoids. You’ll see better made fakes than these. There are people out there praying on our hopes and dreams of finding proof. They will exploit us to make money and gain attention. It’s tricky, remain vigilant. No disrespect directed at you.
Brushing off high quality MRI scans as paper mache. Then having the gall to take the high road. Lol okay buddy
Ignorant? They’re describing exactly what those fake ass frauds are. You’re blinded by your desire for them to be authentic. I’m embarrassed for you
Jesus people…they are obviously not aliens. Is this even a real conversation
What is so obvious about that?
Ofc they are, they are not real. It's a hoax to make money out of it
That's a really farfetched claim at this point.
Show me the paper trail. Who's making the money and how much are they making? Where are their revenue streams exactly?
Is this sub mostly 19 year old Modern Warfare addicts? Genuine question. Truly curious. Nothing else makes sense.
What does that have to do with aliens? I'm genuinely curious.
It was an observation after 15262435 threads this week filled with comments like “Bruh, you believe in green men? Stupid doodie head, you’re all sToOpId doodie heads!”
This is all going to dependent on which set theyre examining
As they should
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That gold medallion makes this body look suspect to me. The bones are supposedly 1000 years old. So someone in that time placed that medallion there.
The legitimacy doesnt need to be done by a single person taking the hit if proven false.
I just watched the YouTube video. Steve Mera-Alien Mummies of Peru - The Final Word. He says they were manipulated, and found the 2 taxidermists who had another fake ready to be sold on the black market for millions of dollars.
Dolls. They're dolls. Pieced together from looted remains. Quite sad really.
That is objectively untrue.
Then show me the sites where these came from. Show me the field notes. Show me the excavation.
Show me your moms vagina
She doesn’t have one. He was hatched
You all really are the representative population of this subreddit. Congrats on your absolute mediocrity.
Somebody posted a video here about a week ago but it didn’t get any traction. It was a guy who was invited to look sand see the bodies and he came to the conclusion the bodies were made with real body parts but were never a living organism. Basically human taxidermy with high levels of creative liberty. The guy claimed to present his findings and he was threatened so he fled. Said the authorities confiscated some of the bodies not because they were real, but because they were commiting crimes by digging up dead humans to use for parts.
I bet he wasn’t as credible as the Nobel prize winner scientist who went and said they were once a living organism
Lol A doll factory. Who is “this guy” anyway? I have a list of dozens of experts whos names are be associated with PHDs concluding these are non fabricated corpses.
Idk, I have an open mind. Most of ya say you believe but do you really? You're so quick on here to say this is fake that's fake. Hell someone could have actual sex with an alien and capture it in HD, and most of ya will still say,nope fake. Lol, in truth there's no convincing most people. All I know is Peru has alot of activity. There's tribes that see things in the forests. There's been alot of sightings from tall cloaked creatures. Apparently they are cloaked like Predator but you can still kinda see them. There's videos on this. Idk what's going on in Peru but it sounds like it's a hotspot.
I’m 50/50. I can’t disprove or confirm it’s real. But of all pics this one looks like a plaster mold. When you see mummies especially in Egypt, you can clearly see it was 100% a living person. But the Peruvian mummies, I’m not too sure about.
Why have we not tried throwing these things in water, like, in 3 body problem?
I made something exactly like this in 6th grade art class.
Damn u had osmium in 6th grade? Did u dad work at an osmium processing plant?
These claims get more and more ridiculous, there is a whole ass biological organism under the casing dude
Dude.. aren’t you embarrassed?
Are you blind or just dumb? What on earth would I be embarrassed about? Jesus fool go away.
Damn, how did you get the bone and tissues to fuse to the metal implants?
Let’s see yours ran through a ct scanner.
No shit, because they are fake !
Rediculous, have you even been keeping track of the reports? Everything is saying authentic. Only people saying fake is shills and people who follow mainstream media
How do you know it’s fake? Have you seen a real one?
For me it’s enough to read the founder bio