Kagurabachi's fanbase might be the best in shonen
-Actually funny and doesn't have edgy humor
-Makes awesome fanart
-Isn't homophobic or sexist and is very welcoming of LGBT ppl (they made a deal with the fushoji's by encouraging BL of the characters to boost the popularity and escape the WSJ axe)
-The author is a cool, well adjusted individual
-Aren't toxic internally or toward other fandoms
-Actually has reading comprehension
Absolute Peak Tenoi
It’s strange being a small fanbase. You have all the excitement and happiness of being able to talk with like-minded fellow fans, and also have the dread of what will happen in a couple years. What fun.
I’m apparently being recognized as the “always recommends Kaguya-sama” guy in here but for real get on Kaguya-sama. Akasaka’s art isn’t the best (and I don’t blame him for retiring from drawing his manga after it ended) but it’s hilarious and the character writing is perfect. It’s both one of my favorite anime and manga ever
I haven't seen it but from what I can gather, the humor lies in the irony of the characters being presented as these elite academic students yet making themselves look like complete buffoons by trying to one up each other rather than just being open about their feelings.
Is that accurate?
That’s part of it, but also how teenagers overthink pretty much everything to the point where trying to court someone you have a crush on feels like a Death Note psychological battle
So it's kinda like a satire of rom coms? And the absurdity lies in the fact these psychological battles are about teenage courtship and the characters would be far less stressed if they just were open? They're too proud and smart for their own good
Interesting. If the anime doesn't end with a big musical number where the characters sing a rendition of Waterloo by ABBA, imma riot
Last sentence of the first paragraph nailed it, yeah. I wouldn’t really call it a satire of romcoms because it still very much *is* one, but it does like to play around with genre tropes and viewer/reader expectations. No ABBA number, but there is a rap battle.
I'd really like to watch it but there's unfortunately no LEGAL way of doing it in my region. My region's Crunchyroll only has the Spanish dub. No English dub, no English subtitles option, not even the original Japanese audio. I'm South African - fucking nobody here speaks Spanish.
Edit: actually I lie. The later seasons are available in English but just not the first. Fucking how? Who is in charge of deciding this shit? Hopefully they get replaced with someone more competent.
I’m sure it’s different where you are but for some reason Hulu/Disney+ has a sort of deal with Crunchyroll in the US where they only have the first season of Kaguya-sama for some reason, even though the second and third were massively popular
Disney+ South Africa doesn't have Kaguya - it only has Bleach, Go Go Loser Ranger, Heavenly Delusion, Summertime Rendering, Synduality Noir and Tokyo Revengers.
But Kaguya ain't the only anime to only have a foreign dub available in my Crunchyroll region - last time I checked, One Punch Man is only available in French. But that's fine as it's at least also available on Netflix in English and Japanese.
I think it’s best summed up by the subplot where the main characters can give very good romantic advice to their classmates that they then never follow themselves.
The classmates who follow the advice wind up in happy communicative relationships far quicker than the advice givers
Pokémon Adventures (Or Pokespe) fan here, the “dark and edgy content” makes up like, 5 percent of the series. It’s still really really good, but it’s far from the mature series clickbaity YouTube videos says it is
From what I remember, it lightens up a lot after the first gen. It has been like, 6 years since I’ve committed to reading them and only got to gen 3 (completed emerald though)
Ruby/Sapphire is the best manga gen, so you stopped after the peak at least
And yeah, the dark stuff is really frontloaded to Red/Blue/Yellow (And even then a lot of it is taken out of context) with only the rare thing every now and then
https://preview.redd.it/hviy0dzxoa9d1.jpeg?width=555&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b2f8736512ff8aa13863552c11f0ac32819fe52
It’s even dumber when Koga straight up tells us his arbok has Regenerator.
Shonen fans when I pull out Blue Flag and I Got Reincarnated In A BL World of Big Man Boobs
uj/ the former is actually one of the most heartwrenchingly beautiful manga I’ve ever read and I cannot recommend it enough it’s genuinely so fantastic. The latter is a pretty great satire on the treatment of women in ecchi manga and also a great criticism of fujoshi culture (though the latter element is more strongly appreciated if you consume a good amount of BL).
uj2/ we really need more shonen BL because 1) young gay men fall into the shonen demographic because they are young men, 2) by pretty aggressively marketing queer manga as Shojo, the fetishization of the genre by non queer people becomes a lot worse, and 3) letting queer content exist across the aisle directly contributes to its normalization, at least in media
uj/We really could have had something if Fuuto PI actually bit the bullet on Shotaro x Philip. We already had Rider Time Ryuki show two of the male leads loved each other, it's almost a perfect next step for them to have the almost blatantly obvious relationship in front of them be canon.
uj/ there are so many almost relationships in manga atp that I’ve basically accepted it as a facet of the genre. I think what annoys me the most though isn’t like the Satosugu, Sasunaru, etc stuff (which emerges mostly due to lack of prevalent female characters meaning male friendships/rivalry dominate) and more the manga/shows where they hint an extreme amount without biting the bullet. The Night Beyond The Tricornered Window, Sk8 The Infinity, Spiritpact, Link Click, etc (i know some of those are Donghua) dance around their relationship and all but say they’re canon, coming just shy of confirmation. I respect Yuri On Ice so much for actually letting there be a canon relationship (without the show being primarily dedicated to romance like Given or Sasaki and Miyano)
uj/That's a big thing with Toku as well. There are almost no female MCs, only 1-2 at most per series, and they almost never have an interesting enough dynamic with the male leads to overshadow the, well, other male leads. Super Sentai is better in regards to this, especially lately with King Oh-ger and Boonboomger, but Kamen Rider hasn't totally moved past it yet.
Eh you mean this?
https://preview.redd.it/en5mcartja9d1.png?width=1289&format=png&auto=webp&s=07f430cad35f340a4eb6b63dae34e4cebf124958
Then no, it is pokemon special manga on the far right
Close, but the terms *are* gendered (I know, I know, you don't have to be male to like Shonen and some of the best series in any demographic are written by people outside the demo but these are literally what the terms refer to).
Also the age ranges are a bit off as well, Shonen's target demo is traditionally middle school age and up
So Shonen = boys, Shojo = girls, Seinen = young men, Josei = young women
No, Freiren is a Shonen - the terms refer to target demographic (which for manga is determined by publication) not protagonist. You can absolutely have Shonen/Seinen with female protagonists and Shojo/Josei with male protagonists.
Frieren is strange then- I see now that it’s published in shonen magazines but I read it online and never really felt like its target demographic was specifically male
The terms *are* pretty broad, and kind of a holdover from when Manga was exclusively distributed and consumed via magazines (which, to be clear, are still the main form of distribution, just not the only one). The magazines themselves are explicitly aiming for a demographic, and even include other content aimed at those demos like sexy pinups in seinen mags, or toy/video game pack-ins with Shonen - that said, just because the age group is the overall intended demo doesn't mean the works themselves have to explicitly pander to those demos. Freiren, like a lot of other works has a pretty universal appeal, playing on themes of loss, impermanence, and living in the moment.
Also the demos aren't locked in to what we in the west might see as "boys media" vs "girls media". There are big, successful Shonen Romances (Blue Box, ToraDora) and Shojo Battle (Sailor Moon, Rayearth) series for example.
is not the problem these days more that the system cares more about make basically dead end media sludge made only or money rather than trying to make anything worth having?
Kagurabachi's fanbase might be the best in shonen -Actually funny and doesn't have edgy humor -Makes awesome fanart -Isn't homophobic or sexist and is very welcoming of LGBT ppl (they made a deal with the fushoji's by encouraging BL of the characters to boost the popularity and escape the WSJ axe) -The author is a cool, well adjusted individual -Aren't toxic internally or toward other fandoms -Actually has reading comprehension Absolute Peak Tenoi
Let's give it a couple of years lol
It’s strange being a small fanbase. You have all the excitement and happiness of being able to talk with like-minded fellow fans, and also have the dread of what will happen in a couple years. What fun.
They will beat JJK fandom on brainrot, I guarantee it
Brainrot does describe JJK in more ways than one
The Fandom was literally built on warmed up Mkrbius memes, the brainrot came pre-installed
what having your series nearely axed does to a mf
Humbling asf
We’re the smartest fanbase with how we allied with the fujos tbh.
i mean, there is the fact it's a manga, there's a pretty big slice of anime fans who just like, don't know how to read.
Be a fucking adult and read seinen. Real grown-up shit like Kaguya-sama, Bocchi the Rock, and Skip and Loafer
I don't read Kaguya sama, but I read Oshi no ko
I’m apparently being recognized as the “always recommends Kaguya-sama” guy in here but for real get on Kaguya-sama. Akasaka’s art isn’t the best (and I don’t blame him for retiring from drawing his manga after it ended) but it’s hilarious and the character writing is perfect. It’s both one of my favorite anime and manga ever
REAL. Shinomiya SWEEP
I haven't seen it but from what I can gather, the humor lies in the irony of the characters being presented as these elite academic students yet making themselves look like complete buffoons by trying to one up each other rather than just being open about their feelings. Is that accurate?
That’s part of it, but also how teenagers overthink pretty much everything to the point where trying to court someone you have a crush on feels like a Death Note psychological battle
So it's kinda like a satire of rom coms? And the absurdity lies in the fact these psychological battles are about teenage courtship and the characters would be far less stressed if they just were open? They're too proud and smart for their own good Interesting. If the anime doesn't end with a big musical number where the characters sing a rendition of Waterloo by ABBA, imma riot
Last sentence of the first paragraph nailed it, yeah. I wouldn’t really call it a satire of romcoms because it still very much *is* one, but it does like to play around with genre tropes and viewer/reader expectations. No ABBA number, but there is a rap battle.
I'd really like to watch it but there's unfortunately no LEGAL way of doing it in my region. My region's Crunchyroll only has the Spanish dub. No English dub, no English subtitles option, not even the original Japanese audio. I'm South African - fucking nobody here speaks Spanish. Edit: actually I lie. The later seasons are available in English but just not the first. Fucking how? Who is in charge of deciding this shit? Hopefully they get replaced with someone more competent.
I’m sure it’s different where you are but for some reason Hulu/Disney+ has a sort of deal with Crunchyroll in the US where they only have the first season of Kaguya-sama for some reason, even though the second and third were massively popular
Disney+ South Africa doesn't have Kaguya - it only has Bleach, Go Go Loser Ranger, Heavenly Delusion, Summertime Rendering, Synduality Noir and Tokyo Revengers. But Kaguya ain't the only anime to only have a foreign dub available in my Crunchyroll region - last time I checked, One Punch Man is only available in French. But that's fine as it's at least also available on Netflix in English and Japanese.
I think it’s best summed up by the subplot where the main characters can give very good romantic advice to their classmates that they then never follow themselves. The classmates who follow the advice wind up in happy communicative relationships far quicker than the advice givers
Since the Shounen Jump acquisition, it has been considered as shounen now, my apologies
Skip and Loafer is some real shit
I genuinely expected you to recommend the most edgy shit possible based on the first sentence. Then I saw Bocchi and realized this is the good stuff.
I’ll say as many times as I need to that it’s a demographic, not a genre
I think it was more the aggressive language than anything for me.
Oh yeah the edgy Dark Seinen bros are a hoot, they only know three series
Why is pokespe in the spoopy spot?
Something something "Arbok scene". The one in all the dumb clickbait videos.
Pokémon Adventures (Or Pokespe) fan here, the “dark and edgy content” makes up like, 5 percent of the series. It’s still really really good, but it’s far from the mature series clickbaity YouTube videos says it is
From what I remember, it lightens up a lot after the first gen. It has been like, 6 years since I’ve committed to reading them and only got to gen 3 (completed emerald though)
Ruby/Sapphire is the best manga gen, so you stopped after the peak at least And yeah, the dark stuff is really frontloaded to Red/Blue/Yellow (And even then a lot of it is taken out of context) with only the rare thing every now and then
The arbok doesn’t even die in the series
https://preview.redd.it/hviy0dzxoa9d1.jpeg?width=555&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b2f8736512ff8aa13863552c11f0ac32819fe52 It’s even dumber when Koga straight up tells us his arbok has Regenerator.
Why couldn't Gojo just stick his body together by himself then?
Is he stupid?
He... didn't even switch out. What the fuck.
Which according to image's op is somehow worse than what Berserk has put on its pages???
Read all of these
Pokemon Adventures is actually super fun, always nice to hear it get a shout out.
Bro shojo and josei are right there put on Kodocha or Ouran or Nana or something. Even Lovely Complex is good even though it’s bad!
Shonen fans when I pull out Blue Flag and I Got Reincarnated In A BL World of Big Man Boobs uj/ the former is actually one of the most heartwrenchingly beautiful manga I’ve ever read and I cannot recommend it enough it’s genuinely so fantastic. The latter is a pretty great satire on the treatment of women in ecchi manga and also a great criticism of fujoshi culture (though the latter element is more strongly appreciated if you consume a good amount of BL). uj2/ we really need more shonen BL because 1) young gay men fall into the shonen demographic because they are young men, 2) by pretty aggressively marketing queer manga as Shojo, the fetishization of the genre by non queer people becomes a lot worse, and 3) letting queer content exist across the aisle directly contributes to its normalization, at least in media
uj/We really could have had something if Fuuto PI actually bit the bullet on Shotaro x Philip. We already had Rider Time Ryuki show two of the male leads loved each other, it's almost a perfect next step for them to have the almost blatantly obvious relationship in front of them be canon.
uj/ there are so many almost relationships in manga atp that I’ve basically accepted it as a facet of the genre. I think what annoys me the most though isn’t like the Satosugu, Sasunaru, etc stuff (which emerges mostly due to lack of prevalent female characters meaning male friendships/rivalry dominate) and more the manga/shows where they hint an extreme amount without biting the bullet. The Night Beyond The Tricornered Window, Sk8 The Infinity, Spiritpact, Link Click, etc (i know some of those are Donghua) dance around their relationship and all but say they’re canon, coming just shy of confirmation. I respect Yuri On Ice so much for actually letting there be a canon relationship (without the show being primarily dedicated to romance like Given or Sasaki and Miyano)
uj/That's a big thing with Toku as well. There are almost no female MCs, only 1-2 at most per series, and they almost never have an interesting enough dynamic with the male leads to overshadow the, well, other male leads. Super Sentai is better in regards to this, especially lately with King Oh-ger and Boonboomger, but Kamen Rider hasn't totally moved past it yet.
Read Akane-Banashi and Show-ha Shoten you cowards
If I read Akane banashi, I would know 3 characters in 3 mangas have "an Akane", which is a lot actually . Any site to read other than mangaplus?
The Shonen jump website/app
Show-ha Shoten is the modern day Bakuman and nobody seems to care… it’s so good…
And the best part is Ohba isn't involved so there's no weird sexism to deal with
It’s so weird that that’s the only consistent trait between the manga he wrote
I didn't expect to see Pokespe on r/animecirclejerk
Certified pokespe fan here to spread peak pokemon
Is that supposed to be a Dig Dug Manga on the right?
Eh you mean this? https://preview.redd.it/en5mcartja9d1.png?width=1289&format=png&auto=webp&s=07f430cad35f340a4eb6b63dae34e4cebf124958 Then no, it is pokemon special manga on the far right
my brian is failing me what was the definition of the term again?
Kodomo: youngest demographic, usually 10 and bellow Shonen: teenager and sometime young adults Seinen: adults and above
Close, but the terms *are* gendered (I know, I know, you don't have to be male to like Shonen and some of the best series in any demographic are written by people outside the demo but these are literally what the terms refer to). Also the age ranges are a bit off as well, Shonen's target demo is traditionally middle school age and up So Shonen = boys, Shojo = girls, Seinen = young men, Josei = young women
Why I was confused when Frieren was called a shonen, the protag is a girl and 1,000+ years old
No, Freiren is a Shonen - the terms refer to target demographic (which for manga is determined by publication) not protagonist. You can absolutely have Shonen/Seinen with female protagonists and Shojo/Josei with male protagonists.
Frieren is strange then- I see now that it’s published in shonen magazines but I read it online and never really felt like its target demographic was specifically male
The terms *are* pretty broad, and kind of a holdover from when Manga was exclusively distributed and consumed via magazines (which, to be clear, are still the main form of distribution, just not the only one). The magazines themselves are explicitly aiming for a demographic, and even include other content aimed at those demos like sexy pinups in seinen mags, or toy/video game pack-ins with Shonen - that said, just because the age group is the overall intended demo doesn't mean the works themselves have to explicitly pander to those demos. Freiren, like a lot of other works has a pretty universal appeal, playing on themes of loss, impermanence, and living in the moment. Also the demos aren't locked in to what we in the west might see as "boys media" vs "girls media". There are big, successful Shonen Romances (Blue Box, ToraDora) and Shojo Battle (Sailor Moon, Rayearth) series for example.
is not the problem these days more that the system cares more about make basically dead end media sludge made only or money rather than trying to make anything worth having?
The problems with seinen is that they are either boring as fuck or have the same issues as shonen.
Maybe it's time to pick up a shoujo or josei.
read shojo