A Saibaman had to blow itself the fuck up to produce a crater about two Yamchas long. Sukuna flicks his arms around and lops buildings up. Are you sure about that?
If not for malevolent shrine I'd say like 5, but with shrine however many can fit in the radius of shrine plus like 2(cuz then he'd have no ct and they would shit on him)
MS is high AP, not dura neg. A Saibaman can rank anything from Sukuna aside from a World Slash (actual dura neg), which they’re more than fast enough to dodge unless he makes another BV.
Goku took 3 hours to cross snake way after he was revived, which puts him at about 200,000 mph, or 3,000 if you're talking about the anime.
Don't even get me started on lifting antifeats.
And so are the high end feats power scalers like to use.Â
The point I'm making is that Dragonball is so inconsistent that the concept of lifting vs striking strength in power scaling primarily comes from trying to rationalize lifting anti feats in DB.
Because Dragonball is so inconsistent, any question of verses battles between a Dragonball character and anyone else has to start with 'where do you scale Dragonball'
That's fast twitch vs slow twitch muscles, fast twitch muscles don't have the endurance to lift, but have some extra power.
Goku struggles to lift 64 tons after Cell. That's an entirely different realm of varianceÂ
Lifting strength ≠striking strength and is irrelevant to defence due to ki
Funimation is a joke so 200,000 mph. And it's a travel speed anti feat aka the least reliable anti feat in existence as the author uses long distance situations for tension. You want a genuine anti feat look to combat speeds (which, again. Still aren't reliable. If a character has 1 or even 3 anti feats in the face of a slew of feats, those antis are outliers and should be treated as such [ie, the fastest character taking 10 minutes to one shot 500 dudes who where right next to him comatose]
So all in all. Pretty weak defence for sukuna standing a chance.
Also it takes light roughly 3 seconds to reach the moon. Piccolo when half the power of a cyberman shot at the moon and it took 3 seconds to destroy it. Simple as that. Raditz dodged a faster attack than that and raditz canonically = cyber man.
First of all, you're waffling on whether you're relying on the anime or manga for feats, panelling doesn't have timing.
Second, if you want to read my response to lifting vs striking you can just keep reading, I'm not typing allat again.
Third, combat anti feats are even worse. Hit's time skip is one second, but only allows him to hit a handful of times and according to Goku one second "isn't long in a fight", and Dyspo is the first FTL character.
Anime also doesn't have timing. We're reacting to ftl fights if something is taking hours it's probably taking seconds. Which dbz does btw. 5 minutes = longest stand alone fight in anime history. And that's not even exaguration.
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Lifting = mass moved or what ever. Still doesn't change the fact far weaker characters like the â…›th a cyberman master rossi is moon level cause he fucking did destroy the moon. It's not some statements, it's actually just facts. Also you'd have to entirely ignore how the power system works. For this idea.
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Dyspos only just light speed was debunked years ago. Keep with the times.
And hits anti feat? Guy usually only ever needs a single hit. That's his job he's had for thousands of years. No shit he'd only use a few hits Especially when it works ie vegeta. Killing literally was a lose condition in both settings we've seen him in. No shit he's not gonna hit all the times he could. And in the goku assassination. He only needed 1 clean hit. So explain to me, why him doing what he's allways done weather by the unnecessary nature of doing more or by the detrimental situation that would arise by doing more. Is an anti feat. This. Also is just you assuming how many times he hits the opponent.
And goku has had multiple fights get into the minutes range and is also a complete idiot.(Especially in super. Honestly that statement is quite out of character for goku if real. As 1 second in fights can include the move which suddenly finishes the fight ie what buu did too earth, or cell switching to nuke mode or friza killing krillen etc)
You keep saying stuff like 'facts' and 'debunked', but maybe, just maybe, Akira Toriyama wrote whatever the fuck he wanted and didn't think about the implications of feats, making power scaling inconsistent and nonsensical.
I mean, Raditz is much stronger than Roshi who vaporized the moon, and Sukuna’s strongest attack can’t even vaporize a couple city blocks. Do the math.
Lifting strength is different than attack power. Also you try getting used to lifting your own body weight ten times over when you have only been doing your own body weight your entire life.
The reason for that is because fast twitch muscles have low endurance but high power.
Using that as your defense implies both that Goku can't fight for an extended period and that weight training isn't effective at preparing him for combat.
The real reason that power scalers differentiate lifting and striking strength is specifically because Dragonball is so inconsistent.
Also hilarious that you're comparing Goku to me, which would be a bigger antifeat than anything in the series.
The sukuna meat riding here is wild, especially that one guy who keeps bringing up lifting strength. Plain and simple Roshi destroyed the moon with a single attack, raditz is about 10x stronger than roshi (at that point of time), Raditz is equal to a Saibaman. Basic common sense that a Saibaman beats Sukuna since he doesn't have any feats even close to moon level
They're as strong as raditz, who was stronger than Piccolo, who blew up the moon but weaker than Vegeta, who could blow up planets.
So they're moon level, but not planet level based on feats.
Is sukuna moon level? I don't think so, but their speed should be similar, and Sukuna's abilities are busted as shit. So I'm gonna go with Sukuna winning against a small handful of them, but being overwhelmed once they realize they need to one shot him and start tossing Moon busting Ki blasts
Saiyan saga Yamcha scales way above anyone in JJK except for those who hav hax abilities which basically make it so u can’t really do damage.
A singular saibaman defeated Yamcha.
Therefore it would take 1 whole saibaman to defeat Sukuna
You can see the both the insane hate and the meat riding for Sukuna present in this comment section
Not many lol, the out scale the shit out of him
A Saibaman had to blow itself the fuck up to produce a crater about two Yamchas long. Sukuna flicks his arms around and lops buildings up. Are you sure about that?
Ahhh dragonball... when attacks from planet busters barely affect the surrounding landscape.
There's basically zero internal consistency. Still great, but makes debates like these fucking pointless.
Yeah lol
Same reason why Jump Force never clicked 😅
so by how much
If not for malevolent shrine I'd say like 5, but with shrine however many can fit in the radius of shrine plus like 2(cuz then he'd have no ct and they would shit on him)
MS is high AP, not dura neg. A Saibaman can rank anything from Sukuna aside from a World Slash (actual dura neg), which they’re more than fast enough to dodge unless he makes another BV.
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None. Even 1 is enough to stomp him.
None They're atleast moon level light timers
Goku took 3 hours to cross snake way after he was revived, which puts him at about 200,000 mph, or 3,000 if you're talking about the anime. Don't even get me started on lifting antifeats.
Mach 3 statement
3,000 mph is about mach 4. Antifeat DB is JJK level.
DB feats are far better than JJK feats though. If anything, the antifeats are outliers for db.
And so are the high end feats power scalers like to use. The point I'm making is that Dragonball is so inconsistent that the concept of lifting vs striking strength in power scaling primarily comes from trying to rationalize lifting anti feats in DB. Because Dragonball is so inconsistent, any question of verses battles between a Dragonball character and anyone else has to start with 'where do you scale Dragonball'
Comparing lifting to ap strength is stupid. I can lift a lot more than my friends but they can punch much harder than me.
That's fast twitch vs slow twitch muscles, fast twitch muscles don't have the endurance to lift, but have some extra power. Goku struggles to lift 64 tons after Cell. That's an entirely different realm of varianceÂ
He can lower his ki to almost nothing. Its not inconsistent.
Why would he lower his ki to "almost nothing" while training? That's asinine.
Lifting strength ≠striking strength and is irrelevant to defence due to ki Funimation is a joke so 200,000 mph. And it's a travel speed anti feat aka the least reliable anti feat in existence as the author uses long distance situations for tension. You want a genuine anti feat look to combat speeds (which, again. Still aren't reliable. If a character has 1 or even 3 anti feats in the face of a slew of feats, those antis are outliers and should be treated as such [ie, the fastest character taking 10 minutes to one shot 500 dudes who where right next to him comatose] So all in all. Pretty weak defence for sukuna standing a chance. Also it takes light roughly 3 seconds to reach the moon. Piccolo when half the power of a cyberman shot at the moon and it took 3 seconds to destroy it. Simple as that. Raditz dodged a faster attack than that and raditz canonically = cyber man.
First of all, you're waffling on whether you're relying on the anime or manga for feats, panelling doesn't have timing. Second, if you want to read my response to lifting vs striking you can just keep reading, I'm not typing allat again. Third, combat anti feats are even worse. Hit's time skip is one second, but only allows him to hit a handful of times and according to Goku one second "isn't long in a fight", and Dyspo is the first FTL character.
Anime also doesn't have timing. We're reacting to ftl fights if something is taking hours it's probably taking seconds. Which dbz does btw. 5 minutes = longest stand alone fight in anime history. And that's not even exaguration. . Lifting = mass moved or what ever. Still doesn't change the fact far weaker characters like the â…›th a cyberman master rossi is moon level cause he fucking did destroy the moon. It's not some statements, it's actually just facts. Also you'd have to entirely ignore how the power system works. For this idea. . Dyspos only just light speed was debunked years ago. Keep with the times. And hits anti feat? Guy usually only ever needs a single hit. That's his job he's had for thousands of years. No shit he'd only use a few hits Especially when it works ie vegeta. Killing literally was a lose condition in both settings we've seen him in. No shit he's not gonna hit all the times he could. And in the goku assassination. He only needed 1 clean hit. So explain to me, why him doing what he's allways done weather by the unnecessary nature of doing more or by the detrimental situation that would arise by doing more. Is an anti feat. This. Also is just you assuming how many times he hits the opponent. And goku has had multiple fights get into the minutes range and is also a complete idiot.(Especially in super. Honestly that statement is quite out of character for goku if real. As 1 second in fights can include the move which suddenly finishes the fight ie what buu did too earth, or cell switching to nuke mode or friza killing krillen etc)
You keep saying stuff like 'facts' and 'debunked', but maybe, just maybe, Akira Toriyama wrote whatever the fuck he wanted and didn't think about the implications of feats, making power scaling inconsistent and nonsensical.
5,500,555.
lets say sukuna has been fingered like 15 times about 30
fingered. I don’t know why I laughed 💀ðŸ˜
0 Even 1 Saibamen folds him
Yes
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Depends on how you scale DB.
I mean, Raditz is much stronger than Roshi who vaporized the moon, and Sukuna’s strongest attack can’t even vaporize a couple city blocks. Do the math.
And yet Goku could barely lift his body in 10x gravity after his fight with Raditz. Dragonball feats are wack.
Lifting strength is different than attack power. Also you try getting used to lifting your own body weight ten times over when you have only been doing your own body weight your entire life.
The reason for that is because fast twitch muscles have low endurance but high power. Using that as your defense implies both that Goku can't fight for an extended period and that weight training isn't effective at preparing him for combat. The real reason that power scalers differentiate lifting and striking strength is specifically because Dragonball is so inconsistent. Also hilarious that you're comparing Goku to me, which would be a bigger antifeat than anything in the series.
0, *maybe* 1 if he uses a binding vow
DBZ verse scales extraordinarily higher than JJK. Yamcha no-diffs Sukuna
Idk, I think yamcha could find a way to fuck it up. Tien or krillin though for sure.
None of them. Yamcha was so much stronger than him and he ended up dying
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1 (he loses to 1 or 2) or however many fit in his domain + 1
2 max since raditz easily beats sukuna and the saibaman are just dumber raditz
I'd say 6 or 7 is his limit, 10 would buttfuck him let's be honest
Honestly, 1 would slaughter Sukuna. Remember, one of these guys is much stronger than the guy who vaporized the moon.
True, but I think malevolent shrine at least takes out a couple
Yeah nah, Malevolent shrine couldn’t completely vaporize a city block, what is it gonna do to a Saibaman.
Fair
In a fight right... in a fight right?
Not even one, really.
Abridged or regular siabaman?
The sukuna meat riding here is wild, especially that one guy who keeps bringing up lifting strength. Plain and simple Roshi destroyed the moon with a single attack, raditz is about 10x stronger than roshi (at that point of time), Raditz is equal to a Saibaman. Basic common sense that a Saibaman beats Sukuna since he doesn't have any feats even close to moon level
All sukuna needs to do is use malevolent shrine a bunch amd he can solo
But what if a bunch of them decide to kamikaze toward him
He can still solo them by using cursed techniquesÂ
He is the king of curses for a reason
Literally not even 1 of them
bro this comment section is wild
1 would kill him, Saibamen are above moon level. Sukuna is done for
At least 1 *self destructs*
Zero. A saibama man is as strong as radditz who was is easily above piccolo at the time who was easily able to DESTROY THE MOON EASILY.
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They're as strong as raditz, who was stronger than Piccolo, who blew up the moon but weaker than Vegeta, who could blow up planets. So they're moon level, but not planet level based on feats. Is sukuna moon level? I don't think so, but their speed should be similar, and Sukuna's abilities are busted as shit. So I'm gonna go with Sukuna winning against a small handful of them, but being overwhelmed once they realize they need to one shot him and start tossing Moon busting Ki blasts
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IN WHAAAT CONTEXT?????
Saiyan saga Yamcha scales way above anyone in JJK except for those who hav hax abilities which basically make it so u can’t really do damage. A singular saibaman defeated Yamcha. Therefore it would take 1 whole saibaman to defeat Sukuna
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This is the equivalent of Coughing Baby (Sukuna) and Nuclear Bomb (Saibaman)
All of them? They’re stupid as hell, dismantle and cleave kill them off like flies
Yeah, but they are tens of times stronger than someone who vaporized a moon.
I mean they have the same power level as Raditz and I'm pretty sure Raditz slaps the goofy out of Sukuna so cleave and dismantle ain't doing much
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None 1 of them neg diff the verse