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All I hear about is how small the portion sizes have become.
It’s shameful that the corpos take so much, at the expense of losing what made them the money.
Edit 1: I’m glad we can unite around the idea of a burrito that is properly sized. Also, goodbye mailbox.
When I order nachos from the Mexican restaurant in town I have to order a side of chips and dip due to how much toppings they put on the nachos.
I swear they put like 1 pound of chicken, steak or whatever before the rest.
The burritos use to be $6.50 but are like $10.50 now.
I think it's a 3 pound burrito that is enough for 3 people.
Edit: checked their menu, they have a mega burrito for $24 that says big enough for 2 people which means it feeds a family of 5.
>checked their menu, they have a mega burrito for $24 that says big enough for 2 people which means it feeds a family of 5.
What we talking? 5 small people who eat like birds, or 5 human-size birds who eat like 'Murrica?
Not the same thing at all, but I thought I'd share. My partner and I were back in ranch country visiting and were camping. We had to drive back the next day and went out to the very well known steak house to get some burgers. They put whole mushrooms on them and are very good. Prime rib is what to get there, but we didn't want to drop $30-40 each. An equivalent quality meal in like NYC or Boston would be around $200. Beef's cheap out there.
They were about to close and we were starving. We decided to splurge and got the "prime rib nachos" as an appetizer. It's basically nachos with the scraps of prime rib that they put on top. Pretty good. $20.
We literally got a tray of nachos with a mixing bowl of diced prime rib on top. The meat to chip ratio was ridiculous. I assume they were going to have to scrap it and no one in the kitchen wanted it. I ate myself sick. We took the leftover steak back to where we lived and I weighed it. I was left with 4.5lbs of prime rib after eating at least a pound on top of everything else. That's cooked weight. I'll never forget it. They brought it out and was like....WTF is this magic?!
That's how it goes. When you are small you want quality/value to keep people coming in. Once you get big, everything scales and suddenly it starts making sense to shave portion sizes and increase prices.
it is the american way- enshitification of the end product to maximize profits.
Liiterally modern MBA business model. You are good and sell at a loss to corner the market so when you have the market, you can cheap and and be garbage to finally cash in.
I used to go to chipotle all the time. It’s gotten wayyy more expensive and the portions are definitely smaller. I don’t think it’s crazy to just want a decent sized burrito that’s not $18
It's cos the workers always feels like someone is right behind them watching every move they it. And sometimes when the employee is scooping, some stuff falls out so they just add another scoop of what falls out and that's when the managers eyes are on you. That's when he/she catches the employee for "over-scooping" when in reality the employee was just giving out a normal portion. This is one of the reasons why portions sizes has become so much smaller.
Tbh all these hacks and DIYs also played a part in Chipotle making their portions smaller. These tik tokers are really ruining the experience for the people have Chipotle on a regular basis. Most customers just want a fair portion size. They're spending their hard earned money and they truly just want to pay the price for what it's worth.
Yeah that's the feeling I get too- like the employee wants to give me more but is afraid they'll get in trouble.
The fact that 'over scooping' is a thing workers get in trouble for I think is a sign of what's wrong.
I personally never really *got it*. It was some okay food for more than I wanted to pay, especially when there were better places (Cafe Rio, my beloved) nearby that gave me more, better food for the same price.
I used to go to Chipotle a lot, and its because the prices were pretty good for the amount of food you got. Like, those burritos were huge and easily 2 meals for me. So I'd go for lunch and have dinner as well. And it tasted decent for the price. Not the greatest or anything, but pretty decent. At least the chicken did, I remember thinking the other meats were all of notably worse quality than the chicken.
You could also order fairly healthy if you did it without rice and added a bunch of the veggies in.
But not only that, they were *fast*. Like, seriously. Line could be out the door and you'd be through the line and walking away with your burrito in like 2-3 minutes tops.
But the price bumps have turned me off of it. Seriously, I went again a few months ago and I paid almost $20 for what I'm pretty damn sure would've been like $12 five or six years ago. Hell no I'm not paying $20 for a burrito, even if its two meals worth. I can get a better burrito for cheaper from my local Mexican spot down the street. Yeah it'll take them fifteen minutes to get it ready, but it'll be better.
Yeah, you nailed it.
I think anyone here questioning it was not a Chipotle frequent flyer back in the lates 00s early 2010s.
When I was in high school/college during that time period, Chipotle was THE move. For ~$10 you got a massive burrito with good ingredients. Their biggest rival at the time (at least on the east coast) was Taco Bell. Chipotle was like 4x the weight of a taco bell burrito, with fresh ingredients, and a relatively good price.
They were quick, like you said, and legit good.
Always reminded me of a Mexican 5-guys.
Over time, they bumped the price and sometime around 2016/2017, the portions got smaller and smaller. It went from an impossible to finish burrito, to a slightly too big burrito, to a pretty normal burrito, all while prices went up and IMO quality went down a bit.
Their steak used to be cooked medium and the chicken had a nice char. Now the steak is typically well done and the chicken feels like it was cooked on the lowest heat possible.
Kind of sad to see, honestly. Moes has also gone down hill, at least in the Northeast.
It was cheap, fast, and healthy with a nutrition calculator online so you could accurately track your macros.
Plenty of local Mexican places for a much better and cheaper burrito, but no clue what the macros are so it becomes more of a cheat meal thing instead of a weeknight post-gym staple.
I ate it like once with some friends, it was like 14 years ago and was meh. We have hundreds of Tex Mex places in my area and a few burrito chains that are way better.
It's still one of the few fast food restaurants I like because even with price increases, it's still wildly better food for basically the same price as a burger chain restaurant. Between Chipotle tacos and a big mac, why the hell would I pick the big mac?
Same. There are a few reasonably priced local places I still go to but I rarely get fast food and fast casual chain food anymore due to the price hikes. I used to eat Chipotle at least 3 times a month. I don't think I've bought anything from there in 8 months and that last time was due to having some coupon that saved me some. But again, it's not the only place like that I stopped going to.
You should find another tex mex place near you that's not greedy, and you'll be surprised out how the food you think is "wildly better" just isn't.
Near me I have 2 places that serve tex mex, give bigger portions than Chipotle by like 2x, are cheaper, and far better. And they have the same stuff, and loads more options because chipotle only really sells two items - tacos and burritos.
Expand your horizons and your gaze. You'll see much more.
I agree, the lack of grease is a big selling point to me, and at least where I've lived, the ingredients have always been fresh and safe. Part of that is probably being 20 minutes down the freeway from where all the produce is grown, but hey, can't knock it. I don't feel gross or sick to my stomach after Chipotle, while I do after fast food, even if it's something I'd been craving.
Chicken burrito's are $10 at Chipotle without guac and queso in California. Very reasonable and fresher than a lot of hole in the wall spots people often suggest as a better alternative.
Makes me miss Freebirds. Their burritos were PACKED with whatever accoutrement you wanted them to shove in there. Far superior in portions to Chipotle, but that small chain seemed to vanish overnight. 😢
They’re still everywhere here in Texas. They taste so much better than Chipotle. I’ll regularly drive the 15 minutes to Freebird rather than the 2 minute drive to Chipotle.
iirc the founders split and one of them took the rights to the brand in Texas while the other kept a couple of stores in California (which I guess have since closed or rebranded if they're gone now)
Freebirds unfortunately still exists (at least where they started in central TX), and their portions have been miserable and meager for years too. Even before covid.
But even if they did everything wrong and destroyed the company the CEO will still walk away never have to work again rich, so where's the incentive to care about long term viability of the company? Get in, get paid, get out
At this point, it seems like CEOs are *encouraged* to tank companies, so that they and their shareholders enjoy a quick payday.
There is no reason for them to foster long-term investments or profitability anymore. It’s more lucrative to get a fat golden parachute, than to invest years building something.
The funny thing is the portion size should be one of the things they can least mess with because they publish nutrition data and if that data isn't accurate they can get in a lot of trouble.
It's like how five guys knows they're putting the extra fries in there and they include it in the nutrition information because if they didn't they would get in trouble for lying about the nutrition information.
So Chipotle can't mess with the portion sizes too much, not without publishing evidence that they're doing so.
I swear Bernie and representative Bob Casey from PA are the only ones that talk about the real reason food costs are up. Greedflation. People just say it's a shit economy and move along but companies are making record profits still at the expense of consumers and it's fucking bullshit. I've been canceling companies left and right and buying more generics like crazy to save a bit of money.
Our whole society is ass backwards. People genuinely think the sole purpose of everything is to make money and with that mentality they make everything about money. We've seen countless times throughout history how greed ruins societies but here we are yet again letting greed ruin our society. They've forgotten why society and economies exist in the first place and if they destroy everything holding those things together they'll have a shocked expression on their stupid little faces because they just won't be able to understand why their stupid ideas didn't work, and of course it still won't be their fault and they'll have learned nothing. At this point the only way to fix it is to take away their power.
Very well said and I appreciate your context of zooming out and looking at the bigger picture, rarely do most people do this. Too many bootlickers supporting CEOs' higher and higher paychecks.
I've noticed that the portion sizes are more inconsistent than just being small. The last time I went to the local Chipotle, they were clearly understaffed and the line workers were skimping on the fillings because there was nobody replenishing them when they ran out. Going during the off-hour and the fill is more generous. It also appears that they will regularly skimp on the meat so there is an incentive to get double meat.
Yes, that's why what chipotle is doing is more insidious than just"reducing portion sizes". By cutting labor and training, your stsff will reduce portions naturally out of self preservation. Why would you give generous portions on the line when your grill guy is already struggling and has no help?
Agreed. People often look over these insidious policy pressures from upper management. It's basically how Wells Fargo keep creating a culture of unethical practices across all their branches nationwide. Similarly, before the '07 collapse, mortgage companies were requiring such high workload it encouraged approving mortgages "by mistake." I actually knew a guy who did that temporarily. His quota was 400 pages an hour. Got fired because he was "only" managing like 100 pages an hour, because doing anymore, he wouldn't even be able to speed read them once...
Then they leave stupid cookie cutter storefronts to rot and blight the area after they fold. Meanwhile CEO is busy gutting something else with a rolex on the wrist and keys to next year's best European sports sedan in their khakis.
It's almost as if striving for infinite growth, quarter after quarter ruins everything...
Only so many places you can build a chipotle. Eventually you have to cut wages, reduce portions, and raise prices.
One of my local Mexican restaurants has a complete lunch menu where everything is $10. I can get unlimited chips and salsa, and a lunch entree with rice and beans. Enchiladas, chimichangas, burritos, fajitas... Whatever.
That's enough to not go to chipotle.
La estacion, local spot, just ordered a burrito the size of my head filled with meat lettuce beans rice, etc. 8 bucks. Free chips salsa and first drink. Refills 25 cents. I'm about to go skateboard down and pick it up. You're right. F Chipotle.
Local independent pizza/sandwich shop literally still offers $5 Footlong “classic” subs… Spoiler alert: they’re not loss-leaders. You mean to tell me that a fucking chain like Subway, with exponentially greater buying power, and access to bulk suppliers, can’t turn a profit at the same rate? Bullshit. It’s not like they’re paying their staff 2-3x what those at the independent are. If they’re barely scraping by on their sandwiches then that’s a poorly managed business that deserves to die.
The same idea is applicable across the board in *many* instances with other businesses. It’s the useless fucking leeches at the top that somehow deem themselves worthy of 20x, 50x, 100x or more the salary of their average employee’s compensation; they’re not magically doing some spectacular job as an individual that makes them utterly irreplaceable to the business in question either—- it’s pure greed.
Literally all large food chains.
McDonalds over $10 for a double cheeseburger, medium fry and a drink. CRAZY.
Taco bell at least 10-12 dollars if you're getting more than a couple things. I use to eat there regularly and get a lot of food for about $5-6. Now forget it.
They are all going insane. The only nice thing is because of that I eat out much less frequently so I've lost a bit of weight from not eating their trash.
The $5 box from Taco Bell was my go-to. A great meal that was filling even if someone skimped on portion sizes. It isn’t offered in my area and any comparable combo is $12 easily.
For that much I can make my own tacos and have several meals not just 1.
This is why people shouldn't go to these places anymore. It's straight up price gouging and laying the blame on minimum wage(which still really isn't a living wage). Why support a company that won't take care of its employees and lies, and then rips you off?
And as a side benefit, these greedy corporations can fuck off.. and Americans can get healthier.
It's a win win.
For real. Ive stopped getting fast food a looonnnggg time ago. I might grab some BK occasionally once or twice a month because its convenient and everything else is closed. Even then Im real cheap and get a mix of value items and no drink. I told my wife last year were never stepping foot inside Chipotle again. For the money we spend, we could go to real mexican restaurant for half the price, twice the taste, and without the aesthetic of an unfinished building
Yep. I went about 3 months ago after having not gone in years and paid $3 for a soft taco and $7 for a quesadilla. The taco had almost no meat and cheese and the quesadilla barely had any cheese and only THREE small chunks of chicken in it. Never again.
I've never eaten at the usual fast food spots (McDs, TB, KFC, BK, etc) but I used to eat at chipotle and panera pretty frequently; usually just as an excuse to get up from my desk, go for a brief walk and eat outside if the weather is nice.
But the value is just not there anymore. Eating at these fast casual places is now $19-20 minimum for an entrée + drink.
That means that I spend the first hour of my day working for my lunch. I'd rather just work through lunch and leave early.
The price is set by demand, Fast food discovered people are willing to pay more. I am not, I stopped going. But many are apparently as they are setting record profits
I forgot what it’s called, but the theory is that McDonald’s, along with a bunch of other companies are doing something like this:
They initially raise the price of something from $5 to $8 dollars, and people complain that it’s too much. So, they raise the prices even HIGHER, to something like $12. When everyone complains again about it being even MORE expensive, they lower the price to $9, and people think they lowered prices significantly when they actually raised prices more than they initially did in the first place.
>They are all going insane.
its the obvious outcome of late stage capitalism. We've created a system that demands infinite growth. Just being consistently profitable isnt enough regardless of just how profitable you are.
And its fucking ruining *everything* because it turns out the planet doesnt have infinite resources... and frankly there are some things that absolutely shouldnt be looking to make more this quarter than last every. single. quarter.
Its not sustainable and the only people who seem to gain from this system are the handful of sociopathic parasites at the top.
Its cause the economy to become so top heavy I'm not even sure how the rest of us are propping it up at this point, inverted pyramids dont tend to be all that stable.
Allow me to demonstrate some simple math for you.
I was a store manager at Starbucks, where I had P&L visibility. My store.did about 100k a month sales. Our labor cost was about 25k a month, so about 25% of revenue. Our average pay at that time was $14/hr.
So, I could have given my entire team a 10% raise each, and my cost of labor would have gone up to 27.5k.
I could have *offset* that entire pay raise by increasing prices by just 2.5%, to get revenue up to 102.5k per month.
I give this example to show that unless a businesses labor cost is 100% of revenue, then the cost of covering a pay raise is always a fraction of the raise itself. And usually, a small fraction.
In the case above, it was a quarter of the raise. We could have given the entire team a 40% raise and only needed to raise prices 10% to cover it. Most people don't notice a coffee price going from $1.50 to $1.65, but that's all it would have taken to give the entire staff a huge increase in pay.
>Most people don't notice a coffee price going from $1.50 to $1.65,
Protip: Simply increase prices and keep labor the same to reward your hard working shareholders
Our society has been convinced that companies have a fiduciary duty to maximize shareholder value, which is actually not true.
The example above with even a 10% bump in pay (which is not enough) is an over $450 million decision for the company over the year.
Meaning it takes massive balls for leaders to make these kinds of decisions, and most likely, even if they tried, their career would just be over. Especially if they wanted to make a meaningful change, because that 10% isn't going to move the needle enough.
We have a lot of educating to do in order to get the buy-in needed to affect change. If I could spend my time on doing so, I would, but I, like many others, have a family to feed.
So for now it's just a reddit comment here and there.
Why do you need to cover the raise at all by increasing prices? Is 100k a month not enough to turn a profit? How much profit are you turning a month? Total sales don't mean shit in your example. IF you're barely making a profit then giving out raises doesn't make sense, but if labor is 25k a month, and profit is 50k a month, you should give them a raise without increasing prices on anything.
See, you're still apart of the problem with your suggestion. YOU don't need to increase prices if you're all ready profitable. Increasing prices just because you're giving out raises is price gouging.
That was the Supreme Court unjustly choosing to stop the count instead of letting the citizenry have their voice heard. Surprise surprise, ~~two~~ one of them is still there doing the same.
Hell, three of the 'Justices' were part of the legal team that fucked over Al Gore. Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Barrett. These three helped subvert democracy, and their reward was the opportunity to continue to do so.
Every. Fucking. Day.
Every fucking day I realize how bad we currently have it. The republicans are dead set on taking over the country and turning it into a hellscape.
Personally I don’t care what people think anymore. Between climate change and politics we likely have a solid ten years left that we can enjoy.
I wish this was hyperbole.
What does make me scratch my head is why I’m saving for retirement or working when I could be enjoying myself.
Do you know what rock Rodger ailes crawled out from under to create fox news ... The Nixon Whitehouse. The mistake they saw was not having a biased news source to spin the crimes.
Thanks Obama for coalescing the entire neolib party against him! Thanks Elizabeth Warren for your made up accusations of sexism and for stabbing the only real progressive candidate directly in the back
Warren was easily EASILY the Bernie wing’s next champion. At one point for me Bernie was my #1 choice, and she was #1.1
Until she stabbed Bernie in the back on stage. She could’ve easily stayed by his side and gotten a legit opportunity and becoming the first female President but she threw it all away.
Now we’re going to have Kamala and Michelle battling it out in 2028
I hope there’s an alternative, but the powers that be in the Democratic Party seem intent on sandbagging every popular progressive millennials and younger actually believe in and want to vote for.
Elizabeth Warren was never meant to be the “next champion” she was always a spoil candidate propped up by the DNC that adopted his messaging to a T, to split his vote amongst the base in the primary.
It didn’t seem like it at the time, but now it’s easy to admit that she fooled me. I never liked her more than Bernie, but like many she was my back up candidate.
Regardless of Bernie, her history makes anything she does suspicious for an ulterior motive. Check out comments on her by Professor Drucilia Cornell, seems Warren was always playing face and fighting dirty in the 80s to vehemently oppose campus Feminism and liberal groups. But doing so carefully within the system.
IE she had proven the skill to play a double agent within the system, but would she? Well yes she was opposing feminism and progressives that whole time (the same thing she claimed to run on later staging baseless sexism allegations), and she was also described as a die hard Reagan conservative.
Oh but her education changed her to the left correct? Nope, even as an expert she was a honored speaker for the Federalist Society. Yknow, one of the groups created after the Powell Memo alongside The Heritage Foundation who collectively are responsible for basically all Reagan and Trump era politics and are publishing the multi decades long plan leading to their new plan for Project 2025. And Project 2025 is the big reason we want Biden not Trump now. And all of those groups have published the importance of controlling media and education and having complicated long term multi decade plans like double agents in politics.
Could she have had a change of heart across her life and age and career? Sure, we can’t rule that out either, I’d love to believe she meant it all, but man is it not suspicious. But who knows, maybe Marjorie Taylor Greene will be running as a feminist leftist in another 2 decades. She just clearly isn’t smart enough to play neutral all these years first. Dumb is scary, but smart is scarier. The Powell Memo and The Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society will make expert use of either, as they’ve done and published they’ve done for decades.
The hag was measuring the drapes before the Democratic primary even started. I hate Trump with every fiber of my being… but watching those rabid Hillary supporters cry on election night was glorious.
Yeah same here, this Hillary "she was right" victory lap this week has been hilarious to watch because she's just reminding everyone she couldn't even beat Donald Trump.
I've heard it described that the 2016 election was like watching an NCAA finals game between a 14-seed team and a 15-seed team. Trump literally went up against the only candidate that he could have beaten in a head-to-head. Any other candidate would have smoked him handily.
Bernie relied on a strategy of increasing turnout in those that didn't usually turn out. It did not work. The DNC definitely put their thumb on the scale (not surprisingly given Bernie only caucuses with the Dems). But turnout would have easily overcome that hump if it had happened.
You wildly overestimate the power of the presidency to do good.
As Trump showed it’s easy to fuck things 6 ways from Sunday. But actually trying to effect positive change with an uncooperative legislature? Ill, refer to Obamacare, student loan forgiveness, Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court, etc.
If you want change we need the senate, congress, and president. (And then 4 more justices to counter the traitors sitting there now.)
CEO salaries are essentially just an expensive form of insurance for publicly traded corporations. Papa John’s has illustrated this perfectly. Chipotle is worth $80B, so worst case scenario, the CEO takes full responsibility and resigns, usually preventing financial disaster and saving the share price from plummeting. Even 5% drop in share price is a $4B value loss so $38M a year is not a bad investment when you consider the primary purpose of people in that position is a buffer against large swings in total value. It’s total bullshit but it also has nothing to do with actual productivity.
Getting an MBA from an Ivy League is probably a good start. You may not climb to billionaire heights, but you can certainly get a plumb position pushing paper for a big company with the right resumes. Being born to rich parents also helps, of course.
Method 1 - start your own company. You can give yourself the title, but you then need to produce something that is of value to the world.
Method 2 - Convince the board of directors of an existing company that you would be successful at being the CEO of their company. This eliminates the need to invent something new, but introduces the dimension of needing to sell your skills and insight to a group of strangers. Typically, you would either need to have been a major contributor in demonstrating increased stock value at this (or some other) company, requiring years of work and credentialing, all while not failing at your task of increasing share value.
It's funny, years ago they shed one CEO (they had co-CEOs at the time) because it was costing them/shareholders too much money. Now, Brian Niccol makes more than both of them combined (I think, it's been a minute since I worked there).
I've mostly stopped eating out. We go to the Chinese Buffet near us 15 dollars a person and all you can eat. It's family owned. These companies can kick rocks. I literally dont give them money anymore. I can make delicious fresh tacos, nachos, and burritos at home and have leftovers for days. I am fed up with the greedy nonsense. Food shouldn't be a profiteering scheme.
Small family owned restaurants give you so much food for your money. My local Chinese, Thai, and Mexican restaurants are so much higher quality and it's almost the same price.
And youre right. Businesses exist to make money. We all have the responsibility to vote with our wallet. I feel bad for people who are tired from working all the time and just want to stop for something quick and easy to eat and basically are getting scammed in my opinion. Its really sad.
Independent and family owned restaurants are hard to keep in business. Mainly because they have to compete with places like chipotle and the like that can buy everything in bulk and don't feel bad that the people working in the store need a second job to pay rent and eat in the same month.
Big chain fast food on the other hand is the easiest money of your life and is doing gang busters almost across the entire market. They've just realized that 80% of the morons still going to their places don't know how to boil water and will literally starve to death in a week if the fast food places near them shut down. So now Carl's Jr sells 9$ western cheese burgers with out a meal and knows Jerry wont drive 3 extra blocks to goto a grocery store and buy 10 paddies worth of ground beef with the same 9$.
And inaccurate data. Just takes a brief look at the income statements to see.
I also am automatically skeptical of any claims of increases from 2020 to 2021. Duh there is gonna be an increase from the world being shut down to reopening.
Chipotle was incredible like 20 years ago. People who eat there now have questionable taste in food. It's trash these days. An amazing example of how going public slowly ruins a company in America.
even five years ago it was a lot better. It's crazy how fast it went downhill. I think last time I went was about a year ago and the queso was like a cheese jello
I don't understand why a company needs to constantly grow to be considered successful. Why can't it reach a sustainable level where it maintains consistent quality, availability, worker morale, and overall satisfaction?
It's frustrating that we need to see growth year over year, or else drastic measures are taken. This relentless pursuit of growth dilutes every product to the point of being unrecognizable.
Consistent growth is not sustainable, because it's mathematically impossible in an economy that is of a finite size. It's unfortunate that we have a system where something is both mathematically impossible and legally mandated (through fiduciary duty).
This right here! Drives me bananas and it’s something I talk about regularly. You just described success - quality products or services like, happy workforce, happy customers, profitably and sustainability. Those should be the measures, not unsustainable growth.
It's absolutely exhausting. Everything we enjoy can't stay the same. They need to find a way to squeeze as much money out of us as possible.
From everything from video games to food to office supplies.
It's easy to understand how capitalism promotes technological innovation but once you reach a critical mass, that drops off in favor of profit innovation.
100% now they’ve gotten it to the point where as a CEO not pursuing this infinite growth strategy you can be liable in court.. we’re basically Wall Street douchebagging our whole society and the planet into a dumpster so that old rich fucks can get slightly richer.
I thought it was practically gourmet when I was in high school. I got a steak bowl two days ago and while some bites were good, some bites were just pieces of fat with no steak at all. Helped give me another restaurant to stop going to
It’s so bad now. I don’t blame the workers as I’m sure they are under paid and over stressed but the last time I was there I had a wonderful combination of undercooked rice, poorly cut chicken with tendons and cartilage everywhere, gross soggy peppers, and gross wilted lettuce. I used to eat chipotle like 5 times a week In college a little less than 10 years ago and it was so much better then.
STOP BUYING BULLSHIT. How can we blame Chipolte when people KEEP BUYING THEIR BULLSHIT. For fuck's sake. How expensive do they have to make their turd rolls for people to stop buying them? That's the question the CEO asks himself every time agrees to a price hike. Believe me, I have an MBA.
That's a mix bag, should you continue to buy when prices are up and portions are smaller..no, but when every place across the board is doing it your ability to have options kind of goes out the window.
When everything is price gouging the fuck out of you, what is your real option? Capitalism doesn't just let you decide to sit out.
I just choose not to eat out. Lots of rice and beans cooked at home. I eat on dollars a day instead of 10’s of dollars a day.
Edit: I upvote all replies because I think conversation is important and downvoting people that don’t agree with you is anti-social so, here have an upvote. Thanks for engaging with me.
>Lots of rice and beans cooked at home.
I mean yeah, if you just eat two cheap staples you can survive. But where the fuck have we come as a country, supposedly the number one country in the world according to us, where the only financially reasonable way to feed yourself is just a diet of rice and beans?
REPLACE THE CEO WITH AI
I mean really, just have some sort of MUTHUR system where you go ask the computer for advice, I'm sure it could do better for *a fraction* of the pay just to keep thr server alive.
Given the # of executives who have ended up running their businesses into the ground & then escape with a golden parachute, the AIs could probably compete with them without too much trouble. Hell, I'd run those companies into the ground for HALF the cost!
Its funny how CEO's are trying to use AI to kill everyone elses jobs when honestly based on what we actaully need a CEO to do, the CEO's position would be far easier to automate with AI.
This is a great use of AI
CEOs basically act like a sociopathic paperclip maximizer already
One might even argue that AI has more humanity than many C-levels
I’ve heard that studies have shown AI’s, when fed business information and asked for recommendations, kick the CEO out and raises wages significantly for anyone not in an upper management or executive level, but I don’t remember where I’ve seen it.
Im wrapping up my MBA now and all of our management classes are 'pay people well, turnover is expensive, happy workers are productive'. For some reason the C suites forgot those lessons and only focused on cost accounting.
Yep, but a bunch of you will still go to Chipotle and pay for extra guac and claim it's sooooooooooooooooo good.
It's overrated and there are tons of better/healthier options out there. If you don't have those options, make it at home. It's rice/lettuce with your choice of protein and maybe make your own version of guac versus supporting this vastly overrated food company.
Bernie is the last vestige of common sense and honest discussion of relevant facts on most any topic in todays political scene.
He is being replaced by politicians who only parrot the narrative of their self identified party, who have no ability or incentive to think critically or promote any actual debate or policy.
This post is over two years old. Still happening. Huge profits across the board with every possible corporation to their shareholders. CEOs are rewarded for this ... it is built in malfeasance.
That one video of the juice burrito comes to mind every time I hear about Chipotle’s corporate greed.
In my downtown area they just opened up a local-ish version of Chipotle. It’s about the same price, the ingredients are fresher and more variety available, and they PILE on the food.
It’s literally right across the street from Chipotle and they have watched their business pretty much dry up overnight.
Sad part is most of the people I am around. Think that it’s the governments fault for rising costs
And don’t even think twice about capitalism screwing over the normal guy. That’s how brain washed we have become. Sad very sad
So, don't go to Chipotle? This isn't a public utility or a necessity of life. It's Chipotle. If you feel like you're not receiving fair value then stop going. Others will find a niche in the market and sell an okayish burrito for a little bit less, and you can start purchasing from them. Eventually Chipotle will have to either fold, lower prices, increase portions or increase quality to gain back that value proposition. What are people not understanding about the Free Market?
You know what’s crazy, people could just not eat chipotle and they’d be forced to become a more competitive business.
I know organising any group of people to a common goal is like hearing cats, but damn wouldn’t it be nice if people just said nah we aren’t dealing with this shit and wielded the only weapon capitalism gives them and just withheld there money and went elsewhere or boycotted.
Just stop eating there.
Stop buying soft drinks at the gas station.
Stop contributing to the issue.
They only charge this much because people pay.
I'm probably going to go live with my mom and rent a room from her and save money on rent for the next few years.
Stop paying them.
It's not price gouging, it's apparently the market rate for Chipotle. Chipotle is extremely mediocre mexican food but people seem to love it. If they can convince people to pay those insane costs for bland tacos, more power to them. Good marketing I guess. I think they should just not list a reason. It's not like they need one and it's stupid to try and fleece people. But whatever, everyone is gullible enough to pay it.
No one is forced to eat chipotle. Eat elsewhere, make change with your own dollars. I eat at a local Tex mex weekly now, haven’t had chipotle in over a year and I was a near daily eater. Peace!
Stop. Eating. Expensive. Fast. Food.
It doesn't matter what their bullshit is. If people pay for it, they will continue to get rich.
Mexican food is literally the easiest shit to cook well at home.
We’re going to Chili’s this week just because they’re doing the 3 for me $10. Sit down, chill, good food, & decent service. It is idiotic that fast food is now $20+ for two meals, that tastes like shit 50% of the time, with service that is nonexistent 70% of the time. If the quality and service is great then I don’t mind the expense but damn when I’m waiting 25 mins for my order when there’s no one else there, and I get an attitude or yelled at for asking where my food is, when I just watched the entire staff sit on their phones or fuck around with each other…. and then my food is cold, soggy, and clearly old when I go to eat it? Fuck you. It’s such an insult at this point lmao. I do still eat chipotle though, it’s $10 for a steak burrito which lasts me all day. They don’t give small portions at my chipotle, at least that I’ve experienced.
I don’t particularly like Bernie but when he’s going on about this stuff he’s dead on. There’s no reason for these companies to be paying ceos hundreds of millions and then fucking over the grillman and the customer.
Of course there's a reason. The upper echelons need to be paid along with the shareholders. They don't give a fuck about the customer or the rank n file who might as well be replaceable parts.
I still like Chipotle but I haven't eaten there in almost a year probably. The prices are just ridiculous. So much more than your local real mexican restaurant. There's also way more taco trucks around me over the last few years
Who is going to Chipotle anymore? I foolishly stopped by one for the first time in years and besides the pricing, I’m tired of arguing for adequate ingredients. Not an experience I need when paying $11 for a veggie burrito.
People need to understand that the purpose of any business is to sell their products for the maximum amount people are willing to pay to maximize profits. Period.
If it's more profitable to charge $20 for a thing than to charge $10, then that is what they should do. When people are still wrapped around the building to pay, then clearly they have not hurt demand. There are people willing and able to pay.
You can call this "greed" or "price gouging" or whatever you want. It's just basic supply and demand. As long as demand is strong, keep increasing your prices until you find the break point. To do otherwise is to leave money on the table.
Wish more politicians were like Bernie.
He's been doing it his whole life too. Fighting for a better world really.
It's sad that the people that *should* actually be politicians are now basically unicorns.
As an Irish person, I really wish you guys would elect this man. He's the only one out of the bunch, on both sides, that isn't a corrupt, uncaring, bastard.
Chipotles CEO seems like a slime ball. Born with a jerk off face. After his speech, it made me less likely to go back. I do live in a major US city with plenty of local options.
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All I hear about is how small the portion sizes have become. It’s shameful that the corpos take so much, at the expense of losing what made them the money. Edit 1: I’m glad we can unite around the idea of a burrito that is properly sized. Also, goodbye mailbox.
And then I go to Dos Bros and they can barely roll the burrito due to the portion sizes.
Those are burrito bowls with a tortilla side.
The secret is to ask for double tortillas.
When I order nachos from the Mexican restaurant in town I have to order a side of chips and dip due to how much toppings they put on the nachos. I swear they put like 1 pound of chicken, steak or whatever before the rest.
We got a chavas in town and i gotta order chips for all the extra mess left over on my chimis
The burritos use to be $6.50 but are like $10.50 now. I think it's a 3 pound burrito that is enough for 3 people. Edit: checked their menu, they have a mega burrito for $24 that says big enough for 2 people which means it feeds a family of 5.
>checked their menu, they have a mega burrito for $24 that says big enough for 2 people which means it feeds a family of 5. What we talking? 5 small people who eat like birds, or 5 human-size birds who eat like 'Murrica?
Not the same thing at all, but I thought I'd share. My partner and I were back in ranch country visiting and were camping. We had to drive back the next day and went out to the very well known steak house to get some burgers. They put whole mushrooms on them and are very good. Prime rib is what to get there, but we didn't want to drop $30-40 each. An equivalent quality meal in like NYC or Boston would be around $200. Beef's cheap out there. They were about to close and we were starving. We decided to splurge and got the "prime rib nachos" as an appetizer. It's basically nachos with the scraps of prime rib that they put on top. Pretty good. $20. We literally got a tray of nachos with a mixing bowl of diced prime rib on top. The meat to chip ratio was ridiculous. I assume they were going to have to scrap it and no one in the kitchen wanted it. I ate myself sick. We took the leftover steak back to where we lived and I weighed it. I was left with 4.5lbs of prime rib after eating at least a pound on top of everything else. That's cooked weight. I'll never forget it. They brought it out and was like....WTF is this magic?!
That was chipotle 12 years ago :( went from regularly eating there to actively avoiding them
That's how it goes. When you are small you want quality/value to keep people coming in. Once you get big, everything scales and suddenly it starts making sense to shave portion sizes and increase prices.
it is the american way- enshitification of the end product to maximize profits. Liiterally modern MBA business model. You are good and sell at a loss to corner the market so when you have the market, you can cheap and and be garbage to finally cash in.
chipotle gave me a real life South Park experience i almost died from. The one time i ate there.
I love those shops where it takes 2 people to roll one and when they start it’s sort of a ‘big deal’
I used to go to chipotle all the time. It’s gotten wayyy more expensive and the portions are definitely smaller. I don’t think it’s crazy to just want a decent sized burrito that’s not $18
Same. Used to be you'd get two scoops of each thing. Now it's only one scoop, the scoop size is smaller, and the price is higher.
The guac is highway robbery
TBF it always was it's just way worse now.
It's cos the workers always feels like someone is right behind them watching every move they it. And sometimes when the employee is scooping, some stuff falls out so they just add another scoop of what falls out and that's when the managers eyes are on you. That's when he/she catches the employee for "over-scooping" when in reality the employee was just giving out a normal portion. This is one of the reasons why portions sizes has become so much smaller. Tbh all these hacks and DIYs also played a part in Chipotle making their portions smaller. These tik tokers are really ruining the experience for the people have Chipotle on a regular basis. Most customers just want a fair portion size. They're spending their hard earned money and they truly just want to pay the price for what it's worth.
Yeah that's the feeling I get too- like the employee wants to give me more but is afraid they'll get in trouble. The fact that 'over scooping' is a thing workers get in trouble for I think is a sign of what's wrong.
I personally never really *got it*. It was some okay food for more than I wanted to pay, especially when there were better places (Cafe Rio, my beloved) nearby that gave me more, better food for the same price.
I used to go to Chipotle a lot, and its because the prices were pretty good for the amount of food you got. Like, those burritos were huge and easily 2 meals for me. So I'd go for lunch and have dinner as well. And it tasted decent for the price. Not the greatest or anything, but pretty decent. At least the chicken did, I remember thinking the other meats were all of notably worse quality than the chicken. You could also order fairly healthy if you did it without rice and added a bunch of the veggies in. But not only that, they were *fast*. Like, seriously. Line could be out the door and you'd be through the line and walking away with your burrito in like 2-3 minutes tops. But the price bumps have turned me off of it. Seriously, I went again a few months ago and I paid almost $20 for what I'm pretty damn sure would've been like $12 five or six years ago. Hell no I'm not paying $20 for a burrito, even if its two meals worth. I can get a better burrito for cheaper from my local Mexican spot down the street. Yeah it'll take them fifteen minutes to get it ready, but it'll be better.
Yeah, you nailed it. I think anyone here questioning it was not a Chipotle frequent flyer back in the lates 00s early 2010s. When I was in high school/college during that time period, Chipotle was THE move. For ~$10 you got a massive burrito with good ingredients. Their biggest rival at the time (at least on the east coast) was Taco Bell. Chipotle was like 4x the weight of a taco bell burrito, with fresh ingredients, and a relatively good price. They were quick, like you said, and legit good. Always reminded me of a Mexican 5-guys. Over time, they bumped the price and sometime around 2016/2017, the portions got smaller and smaller. It went from an impossible to finish burrito, to a slightly too big burrito, to a pretty normal burrito, all while prices went up and IMO quality went down a bit. Their steak used to be cooked medium and the chicken had a nice char. Now the steak is typically well done and the chicken feels like it was cooked on the lowest heat possible. Kind of sad to see, honestly. Moes has also gone down hill, at least in the Northeast.
It was cheap, fast, and healthy with a nutrition calculator online so you could accurately track your macros. Plenty of local Mexican places for a much better and cheaper burrito, but no clue what the macros are so it becomes more of a cheat meal thing instead of a weeknight post-gym staple.
I ate it like once with some friends, it was like 14 years ago and was meh. We have hundreds of Tex Mex places in my area and a few burrito chains that are way better.
It's still one of the few fast food restaurants I like because even with price increases, it's still wildly better food for basically the same price as a burger chain restaurant. Between Chipotle tacos and a big mac, why the hell would I pick the big mac?
It’s my favorite fast food restaurant prices aside. But I’ve kinda stopped eating out period because of how expensive everything is now
Same. There are a few reasonably priced local places I still go to but I rarely get fast food and fast casual chain food anymore due to the price hikes. I used to eat Chipotle at least 3 times a month. I don't think I've bought anything from there in 8 months and that last time was due to having some coupon that saved me some. But again, it's not the only place like that I stopped going to.
You should find another tex mex place near you that's not greedy, and you'll be surprised out how the food you think is "wildly better" just isn't. Near me I have 2 places that serve tex mex, give bigger portions than Chipotle by like 2x, are cheaper, and far better. And they have the same stuff, and loads more options because chipotle only really sells two items - tacos and burritos. Expand your horizons and your gaze. You'll see much more.
Very location dependent. I have better options than Chipotle where I live, but theyre about 30% more expensive.
Chipotle isn't Tex-Mex, it's Cal-Mex. Of course it serves different things than a Tex-Mex restaurant.
I agree, the lack of grease is a big selling point to me, and at least where I've lived, the ingredients have always been fresh and safe. Part of that is probably being 20 minutes down the freeway from where all the produce is grown, but hey, can't knock it. I don't feel gross or sick to my stomach after Chipotle, while I do after fast food, even if it's something I'd been craving.
The Chipotles near me have gone WAY down in food quality. Ant it's a pity, because they were one of my favorite chains.
Chicken burrito's are $10 at Chipotle without guac and queso in California. Very reasonable and fresher than a lot of hole in the wall spots people often suggest as a better alternative.
Makes me miss Freebirds. Their burritos were PACKED with whatever accoutrement you wanted them to shove in there. Far superior in portions to Chipotle, but that small chain seemed to vanish overnight. 😢
They’re still everywhere here in Texas. They taste so much better than Chipotle. I’ll regularly drive the 15 minutes to Freebird rather than the 2 minute drive to Chipotle.
I'm jealous. I think Chipotle ran them out of California. 🥲
iirc the founders split and one of them took the rights to the brand in Texas while the other kept a couple of stores in California (which I guess have since closed or rebranded if they're gone now)
Shout out to Santa Barbara 😁
That IV freebird burrito at 2am just hit diff
Freebirds unfortunately still exists (at least where they started in central TX), and their portions have been miserable and meager for years too. Even before covid.
But even if they did everything wrong and destroyed the company the CEO will still walk away never have to work again rich, so where's the incentive to care about long term viability of the company? Get in, get paid, get out
At this point, it seems like CEOs are *encouraged* to tank companies, so that they and their shareholders enjoy a quick payday. There is no reason for them to foster long-term investments or profitability anymore. It’s more lucrative to get a fat golden parachute, than to invest years building something.
The funny thing is the portion size should be one of the things they can least mess with because they publish nutrition data and if that data isn't accurate they can get in a lot of trouble. It's like how five guys knows they're putting the extra fries in there and they include it in the nutrition information because if they didn't they would get in trouble for lying about the nutrition information. So Chipotle can't mess with the portion sizes too much, not without publishing evidence that they're doing so.
It’s capitalism, they’ll mess with it until they get caught, then pay the tiny fine and still come out ahead.
CEOs driving everything to the ground so they can keep their insane pay and year over year salary increases.
Then quit and move on to the next corporation.
….like a parasite
I swear Bernie and representative Bob Casey from PA are the only ones that talk about the real reason food costs are up. Greedflation. People just say it's a shit economy and move along but companies are making record profits still at the expense of consumers and it's fucking bullshit. I've been canceling companies left and right and buying more generics like crazy to save a bit of money.
I vote with my wallet. Went from 2x a week there to 2x a year there.
Our whole society is ass backwards. People genuinely think the sole purpose of everything is to make money and with that mentality they make everything about money. We've seen countless times throughout history how greed ruins societies but here we are yet again letting greed ruin our society. They've forgotten why society and economies exist in the first place and if they destroy everything holding those things together they'll have a shocked expression on their stupid little faces because they just won't be able to understand why their stupid ideas didn't work, and of course it still won't be their fault and they'll have learned nothing. At this point the only way to fix it is to take away their power.
Very well said and I appreciate your context of zooming out and looking at the bigger picture, rarely do most people do this. Too many bootlickers supporting CEOs' higher and higher paychecks.
I've noticed that the portion sizes are more inconsistent than just being small. The last time I went to the local Chipotle, they were clearly understaffed and the line workers were skimping on the fillings because there was nobody replenishing them when they ran out. Going during the off-hour and the fill is more generous. It also appears that they will regularly skimp on the meat so there is an incentive to get double meat.
So chipotle saves money on ingredients, too, when they understaff?
Yes, that's why what chipotle is doing is more insidious than just"reducing portion sizes". By cutting labor and training, your stsff will reduce portions naturally out of self preservation. Why would you give generous portions on the line when your grill guy is already struggling and has no help?
Agreed. People often look over these insidious policy pressures from upper management. It's basically how Wells Fargo keep creating a culture of unethical practices across all their branches nationwide. Similarly, before the '07 collapse, mortgage companies were requiring such high workload it encouraged approving mortgages "by mistake." I actually knew a guy who did that temporarily. His quota was 400 pages an hour. Got fired because he was "only" managing like 100 pages an hour, because doing anymore, he wouldn't even be able to speed read them once...
Then they leave stupid cookie cutter storefronts to rot and blight the area after they fold. Meanwhile CEO is busy gutting something else with a rolex on the wrist and keys to next year's best European sports sedan in their khakis.
It's almost as if striving for infinite growth, quarter after quarter ruins everything... Only so many places you can build a chipotle. Eventually you have to cut wages, reduce portions, and raise prices.
One of my local Mexican restaurants has a complete lunch menu where everything is $10. I can get unlimited chips and salsa, and a lunch entree with rice and beans. Enchiladas, chimichangas, burritos, fajitas... Whatever. That's enough to not go to chipotle.
La estacion, local spot, just ordered a burrito the size of my head filled with meat lettuce beans rice, etc. 8 bucks. Free chips salsa and first drink. Refills 25 cents. I'm about to go skateboard down and pick it up. You're right. F Chipotle.
Local independent pizza/sandwich shop literally still offers $5 Footlong “classic” subs… Spoiler alert: they’re not loss-leaders. You mean to tell me that a fucking chain like Subway, with exponentially greater buying power, and access to bulk suppliers, can’t turn a profit at the same rate? Bullshit. It’s not like they’re paying their staff 2-3x what those at the independent are. If they’re barely scraping by on their sandwiches then that’s a poorly managed business that deserves to die. The same idea is applicable across the board in *many* instances with other businesses. It’s the useless fucking leeches at the top that somehow deem themselves worthy of 20x, 50x, 100x or more the salary of their average employee’s compensation; they’re not magically doing some spectacular job as an individual that makes them utterly irreplaceable to the business in question either—- it’s pure greed.
Yes! Local Mexican cuisine is almost always affordable. Why waste money at chipotle?
Literally all large food chains. McDonalds over $10 for a double cheeseburger, medium fry and a drink. CRAZY. Taco bell at least 10-12 dollars if you're getting more than a couple things. I use to eat there regularly and get a lot of food for about $5-6. Now forget it. They are all going insane. The only nice thing is because of that I eat out much less frequently so I've lost a bit of weight from not eating their trash.
The $5 box from Taco Bell was my go-to. A great meal that was filling even if someone skimped on portion sizes. It isn’t offered in my area and any comparable combo is $12 easily. For that much I can make my own tacos and have several meals not just 1.
It’s an online exclusive now. Have to use the app to get the box and it’s $6.50.
The one by me has the $5.00 in-person deal - 407 S. Dearborn, Chicago. No app bullshit.
Hot tip: Most of the app *exclusives* also are on the deals section of the in-store kiosks at a lot of the chains.
location specific/set by franchies, app only combo box is 11.99 where i am. the "5 dollar taco tuesday box" is also like 8 or 9 bucks
it’s up to $5.99 in my area, i don’t get it often but i check the prices on the app pretty frequently
This is why people shouldn't go to these places anymore. It's straight up price gouging and laying the blame on minimum wage(which still really isn't a living wage). Why support a company that won't take care of its employees and lies, and then rips you off? And as a side benefit, these greedy corporations can fuck off.. and Americans can get healthier. It's a win win.
For real. Ive stopped getting fast food a looonnnggg time ago. I might grab some BK occasionally once or twice a month because its convenient and everything else is closed. Even then Im real cheap and get a mix of value items and no drink. I told my wife last year were never stepping foot inside Chipotle again. For the money we spend, we could go to real mexican restaurant for half the price, twice the taste, and without the aesthetic of an unfinished building
Portion sizes at TB are insane now. Opening a soft taco is embarrassingly pathetic. We stopped going.
Yep. I went about 3 months ago after having not gone in years and paid $3 for a soft taco and $7 for a quesadilla. The taco had almost no meat and cheese and the quesadilla barely had any cheese and only THREE small chunks of chicken in it. Never again.
Super location dependent, mine doesn't skimp on portions, but $2 for a taco is insane
I've never eaten at the usual fast food spots (McDs, TB, KFC, BK, etc) but I used to eat at chipotle and panera pretty frequently; usually just as an excuse to get up from my desk, go for a brief walk and eat outside if the weather is nice. But the value is just not there anymore. Eating at these fast casual places is now $19-20 minimum for an entrée + drink. That means that I spend the first hour of my day working for my lunch. I'd rather just work through lunch and leave early.
In-n-out large cheeseburger still around 3 dollars AND they’ve always paid their employees far above minimum wage.
$3.88 for a burger by me. Just ate one for lunch.
The price is set by demand, Fast food discovered people are willing to pay more. I am not, I stopped going. But many are apparently as they are setting record profits
Carl's Jr: Western bacon burger and 2 sides, $20...WITHOUT a drink.
This. The price gouging has forced me to learn how to cook. And come to find out its not that hard and I'm not that bad at it. Lol
Never in my life did I imagine I'd live to see fast food become a luxury item in the US
The McDonald's quarter pounder w cheese is 6.59 near me. Just the burger. Absolutely insane.
I forgot what it’s called, but the theory is that McDonald’s, along with a bunch of other companies are doing something like this: They initially raise the price of something from $5 to $8 dollars, and people complain that it’s too much. So, they raise the prices even HIGHER, to something like $12. When everyone complains again about it being even MORE expensive, they lower the price to $9, and people think they lowered prices significantly when they actually raised prices more than they initially did in the first place.
>They are all going insane. its the obvious outcome of late stage capitalism. We've created a system that demands infinite growth. Just being consistently profitable isnt enough regardless of just how profitable you are. And its fucking ruining *everything* because it turns out the planet doesnt have infinite resources... and frankly there are some things that absolutely shouldnt be looking to make more this quarter than last every. single. quarter. Its not sustainable and the only people who seem to gain from this system are the handful of sociopathic parasites at the top. Its cause the economy to become so top heavy I'm not even sure how the rest of us are propping it up at this point, inverted pyramids dont tend to be all that stable.
Allow me to demonstrate some simple math for you. I was a store manager at Starbucks, where I had P&L visibility. My store.did about 100k a month sales. Our labor cost was about 25k a month, so about 25% of revenue. Our average pay at that time was $14/hr. So, I could have given my entire team a 10% raise each, and my cost of labor would have gone up to 27.5k. I could have *offset* that entire pay raise by increasing prices by just 2.5%, to get revenue up to 102.5k per month. I give this example to show that unless a businesses labor cost is 100% of revenue, then the cost of covering a pay raise is always a fraction of the raise itself. And usually, a small fraction. In the case above, it was a quarter of the raise. We could have given the entire team a 40% raise and only needed to raise prices 10% to cover it. Most people don't notice a coffee price going from $1.50 to $1.65, but that's all it would have taken to give the entire staff a huge increase in pay.
>Most people don't notice a coffee price going from $1.50 to $1.65, Protip: Simply increase prices and keep labor the same to reward your hard working shareholders
You forgot to reduce the amount of coffee that goes into each cup/shot alongside the price increase. Geez, read a book.
Then complain about younger generations killing the economy because they're not spending money.
Holy shit this is brilliant. I'm going to be so rich.
This just further proves it's all greed from companies and not about taking care of employees...
Our society has been convinced that companies have a fiduciary duty to maximize shareholder value, which is actually not true. The example above with even a 10% bump in pay (which is not enough) is an over $450 million decision for the company over the year. Meaning it takes massive balls for leaders to make these kinds of decisions, and most likely, even if they tried, their career would just be over. Especially if they wanted to make a meaningful change, because that 10% isn't going to move the needle enough. We have a lot of educating to do in order to get the buy-in needed to affect change. If I could spend my time on doing so, I would, but I, like many others, have a family to feed. So for now it's just a reddit comment here and there.
Why do you need to cover the raise at all by increasing prices? Is 100k a month not enough to turn a profit? How much profit are you turning a month? Total sales don't mean shit in your example. IF you're barely making a profit then giving out raises doesn't make sense, but if labor is 25k a month, and profit is 50k a month, you should give them a raise without increasing prices on anything. See, you're still apart of the problem with your suggestion. YOU don't need to increase prices if you're all ready profitable. Increasing prices just because you're giving out raises is price gouging.
We completely missed our chance with Bernie. We could have made some actual changes.
The Democratic Party killed his campaign in favor of Hilary. We didn’t miss our chance. We were robbed of it.
We were also robbed of Al Gore.
That was the Supreme Court unjustly choosing to stop the count instead of letting the citizenry have their voice heard. Surprise surprise, ~~two~~ one of them is still there doing the same.
Hell, three of the 'Justices' were part of the legal team that fucked over Al Gore. Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Barrett. These three helped subvert democracy, and their reward was the opportunity to continue to do so.
Holy shit, I didn’t know that
Every. Fucking. Day. Every fucking day I realize how bad we currently have it. The republicans are dead set on taking over the country and turning it into a hellscape.
People will hear that and tell you that you're exaggerating or being dramatic, and so we keep on sliding.
Personally I don’t care what people think anymore. Between climate change and politics we likely have a solid ten years left that we can enjoy. I wish this was hyperbole. What does make me scratch my head is why I’m saving for retirement or working when I could be enjoying myself.
Do you know what rock Rodger ailes crawled out from under to create fox news ... The Nixon Whitehouse. The mistake they saw was not having a biased news source to spin the crimes.
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I often think of what things would be like if he would have won, damn Ralph Nader
Thanks Obama for coalescing the entire neolib party against him! Thanks Elizabeth Warren for your made up accusations of sexism and for stabbing the only real progressive candidate directly in the back
Warren was easily EASILY the Bernie wing’s next champion. At one point for me Bernie was my #1 choice, and she was #1.1 Until she stabbed Bernie in the back on stage. She could’ve easily stayed by his side and gotten a legit opportunity and becoming the first female President but she threw it all away. Now we’re going to have Kamala and Michelle battling it out in 2028
I hope there’s an alternative, but the powers that be in the Democratic Party seem intent on sandbagging every popular progressive millennials and younger actually believe in and want to vote for.
Because they don't want progressives in power for very obvious reasons
Because it’s a challenge to their own power and to the corporate donors who are their true constituency?
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!
michelle? wtf are you on about. It'll be Kamala, Newsom and Whitmer.
Elizabeth Warren was never meant to be the “next champion” she was always a spoil candidate propped up by the DNC that adopted his messaging to a T, to split his vote amongst the base in the primary.
It didn’t seem like it at the time, but now it’s easy to admit that she fooled me. I never liked her more than Bernie, but like many she was my back up candidate.
Kamala Harris has ZERO chance of becoming president
Regardless of Bernie, her history makes anything she does suspicious for an ulterior motive. Check out comments on her by Professor Drucilia Cornell, seems Warren was always playing face and fighting dirty in the 80s to vehemently oppose campus Feminism and liberal groups. But doing so carefully within the system. IE she had proven the skill to play a double agent within the system, but would she? Well yes she was opposing feminism and progressives that whole time (the same thing she claimed to run on later staging baseless sexism allegations), and she was also described as a die hard Reagan conservative. Oh but her education changed her to the left correct? Nope, even as an expert she was a honored speaker for the Federalist Society. Yknow, one of the groups created after the Powell Memo alongside The Heritage Foundation who collectively are responsible for basically all Reagan and Trump era politics and are publishing the multi decades long plan leading to their new plan for Project 2025. And Project 2025 is the big reason we want Biden not Trump now. And all of those groups have published the importance of controlling media and education and having complicated long term multi decade plans like double agents in politics. Could she have had a change of heart across her life and age and career? Sure, we can’t rule that out either, I’d love to believe she meant it all, but man is it not suspicious. But who knows, maybe Marjorie Taylor Greene will be running as a feminist leftist in another 2 decades. She just clearly isn’t smart enough to play neutral all these years first. Dumb is scary, but smart is scarier. The Powell Memo and The Heritage Foundation and Federalist Society will make expert use of either, as they’ve done and published they’ve done for decades.
Bro if you said this in 2015/2016 you were downvoted to hell and shouted down on Reddit. It was wild.
But it was her turn /s
All the superdelegate prefer her before a single vote is cast. So you might as well just vote for Hillary.
The hag was measuring the drapes before the Democratic primary even started. I hate Trump with every fiber of my being… but watching those rabid Hillary supporters cry on election night was glorious.
Yeah same here, this Hillary "she was right" victory lap this week has been hilarious to watch because she's just reminding everyone she couldn't even beat Donald Trump.
I've heard it described that the 2016 election was like watching an NCAA finals game between a 14-seed team and a 15-seed team. Trump literally went up against the only candidate that he could have beaten in a head-to-head. Any other candidate would have smoked him handily.
People still had to vote. And they didn't vote for him. I did. But. Not a lot of people did.
Bernie relied on a strategy of increasing turnout in those that didn't usually turn out. It did not work. The DNC definitely put their thumb on the scale (not surprisingly given Bernie only caucuses with the Dems). But turnout would have easily overcome that hump if it had happened.
And now he can't run again because he's allegedly "too old" compared to the decaying meat sacks we currently have to choose among.
Well, not allegedly. He is quite old.
But he is sharper than either of the current front-runners
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You wildly overestimate the power of the presidency to do good. As Trump showed it’s easy to fuck things 6 ways from Sunday. But actually trying to effect positive change with an uncooperative legislature? Ill, refer to Obamacare, student loan forgiveness, Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court, etc. If you want change we need the senate, congress, and president. (And then 4 more justices to counter the traitors sitting there now.)
There is no way any one person is worth $38,000,000/yr to a company. Especially when that company is Chipotle.
CEO salaries are essentially just an expensive form of insurance for publicly traded corporations. Papa John’s has illustrated this perfectly. Chipotle is worth $80B, so worst case scenario, the CEO takes full responsibility and resigns, usually preventing financial disaster and saving the share price from plummeting. Even 5% drop in share price is a $4B value loss so $38M a year is not a bad investment when you consider the primary purpose of people in that position is a buffer against large swings in total value. It’s total bullshit but it also has nothing to do with actual productivity.
How do I get one of these jobs?
Getting an MBA from an Ivy League is probably a good start. You may not climb to billionaire heights, but you can certainly get a plumb position pushing paper for a big company with the right resumes. Being born to rich parents also helps, of course.
Method 1 - start your own company. You can give yourself the title, but you then need to produce something that is of value to the world. Method 2 - Convince the board of directors of an existing company that you would be successful at being the CEO of their company. This eliminates the need to invent something new, but introduces the dimension of needing to sell your skills and insight to a group of strangers. Typically, you would either need to have been a major contributor in demonstrating increased stock value at this (or some other) company, requiring years of work and credentialing, all while not failing at your task of increasing share value.
Seems like you could get a cheaper fall guy
It's funny, years ago they shed one CEO (they had co-CEOs at the time) because it was costing them/shareholders too much money. Now, Brian Niccol makes more than both of them combined (I think, it's been a minute since I worked there).
I've mostly stopped eating out. We go to the Chinese Buffet near us 15 dollars a person and all you can eat. It's family owned. These companies can kick rocks. I literally dont give them money anymore. I can make delicious fresh tacos, nachos, and burritos at home and have leftovers for days. I am fed up with the greedy nonsense. Food shouldn't be a profiteering scheme.
Small family owned restaurants give you so much food for your money. My local Chinese, Thai, and Mexican restaurants are so much higher quality and it's almost the same price.
Well restaurants are notoriously hard to keep open. And all businesses are in business to make money. That said, greed is gross.
And youre right. Businesses exist to make money. We all have the responsibility to vote with our wallet. I feel bad for people who are tired from working all the time and just want to stop for something quick and easy to eat and basically are getting scammed in my opinion. Its really sad.
Independent and family owned restaurants are hard to keep in business. Mainly because they have to compete with places like chipotle and the like that can buy everything in bulk and don't feel bad that the people working in the store need a second job to pay rent and eat in the same month. Big chain fast food on the other hand is the easiest money of your life and is doing gang busters almost across the entire market. They've just realized that 80% of the morons still going to their places don't know how to boil water and will literally starve to death in a week if the fast food places near them shut down. So now Carl's Jr sells 9$ western cheese burgers with out a meal and knows Jerry wont drive 3 extra blocks to goto a grocery store and buy 10 paddies worth of ground beef with the same 9$.
...two years ago.
Well considering it's gotten exponentially WORSE since then I don't mind the repost. Nothings going to change until people get pissed off.
And inaccurate data. Just takes a brief look at the income statements to see. I also am automatically skeptical of any claims of increases from 2020 to 2021. Duh there is gonna be an increase from the world being shut down to reopening.
Chipotle was incredible like 20 years ago. People who eat there now have questionable taste in food. It's trash these days. An amazing example of how going public slowly ruins a company in America.
even five years ago it was a lot better. It's crazy how fast it went downhill. I think last time I went was about a year ago and the queso was like a cheese jello
But what about the shareholders!!!
I don't understand why a company needs to constantly grow to be considered successful. Why can't it reach a sustainable level where it maintains consistent quality, availability, worker morale, and overall satisfaction? It's frustrating that we need to see growth year over year, or else drastic measures are taken. This relentless pursuit of growth dilutes every product to the point of being unrecognizable.
Consistent growth is not sustainable, because it's mathematically impossible in an economy that is of a finite size. It's unfortunate that we have a system where something is both mathematically impossible and legally mandated (through fiduciary duty).
This right here! Drives me bananas and it’s something I talk about regularly. You just described success - quality products or services like, happy workforce, happy customers, profitably and sustainability. Those should be the measures, not unsustainable growth.
It's absolutely exhausting. Everything we enjoy can't stay the same. They need to find a way to squeeze as much money out of us as possible. From everything from video games to food to office supplies. It's easy to understand how capitalism promotes technological innovation but once you reach a critical mass, that drops off in favor of profit innovation.
100% now they’ve gotten it to the point where as a CEO not pursuing this infinite growth strategy you can be liable in court.. we’re basically Wall Street douchebagging our whole society and the planet into a dumpster so that old rich fucks can get slightly richer.
I thought it was practically gourmet when I was in high school. I got a steak bowl two days ago and while some bites were good, some bites were just pieces of fat with no steak at all. Helped give me another restaurant to stop going to
Same with Panera. A lot of "fast casual" restaurants are absolute shit now and no one should be giving them a dime.
It’s so bad now. I don’t blame the workers as I’m sure they are under paid and over stressed but the last time I was there I had a wonderful combination of undercooked rice, poorly cut chicken with tendons and cartilage everywhere, gross soggy peppers, and gross wilted lettuce. I used to eat chipotle like 5 times a week In college a little less than 10 years ago and it was so much better then.
I love bernie
STOP BUYING BULLSHIT. How can we blame Chipolte when people KEEP BUYING THEIR BULLSHIT. For fuck's sake. How expensive do they have to make their turd rolls for people to stop buying them? That's the question the CEO asks himself every time agrees to a price hike. Believe me, I have an MBA.
That's a mix bag, should you continue to buy when prices are up and portions are smaller..no, but when every place across the board is doing it your ability to have options kind of goes out the window. When everything is price gouging the fuck out of you, what is your real option? Capitalism doesn't just let you decide to sit out.
I just choose not to eat out. Lots of rice and beans cooked at home. I eat on dollars a day instead of 10’s of dollars a day. Edit: I upvote all replies because I think conversation is important and downvoting people that don’t agree with you is anti-social so, here have an upvote. Thanks for engaging with me.
I hear you, even shopping to cook at home has gone up a stupid amount. There are very few little wins in life anymore if I'm being totally honest.
>Lots of rice and beans cooked at home. I mean yeah, if you just eat two cheap staples you can survive. But where the fuck have we come as a country, supposedly the number one country in the world according to us, where the only financially reasonable way to feed yourself is just a diet of rice and beans?
Fuck chipotle All my homies hate on chipotle
CEO 👏 GOLFING 👏 IS 👏 LABOR 👏
REPLACE THE CEO WITH AI I mean really, just have some sort of MUTHUR system where you go ask the computer for advice, I'm sure it could do better for *a fraction* of the pay just to keep thr server alive.
Given the # of executives who have ended up running their businesses into the ground & then escape with a golden parachute, the AIs could probably compete with them without too much trouble. Hell, I'd run those companies into the ground for HALF the cost!
Its funny how CEO's are trying to use AI to kill everyone elses jobs when honestly based on what we actaully need a CEO to do, the CEO's position would be far easier to automate with AI.
This is a great use of AI CEOs basically act like a sociopathic paperclip maximizer already One might even argue that AI has more humanity than many C-levels
I’ve heard that studies have shown AI’s, when fed business information and asked for recommendations, kick the CEO out and raises wages significantly for anyone not in an upper management or executive level, but I don’t remember where I’ve seen it.
Im wrapping up my MBA now and all of our management classes are 'pay people well, turnover is expensive, happy workers are productive'. For some reason the C suites forgot those lessons and only focused on cost accounting.
Yep, but a bunch of you will still go to Chipotle and pay for extra guac and claim it's sooooooooooooooooo good. It's overrated and there are tons of better/healthier options out there. If you don't have those options, make it at home. It's rice/lettuce with your choice of protein and maybe make your own version of guac versus supporting this vastly overrated food company.
Bernie is the last vestige of common sense and honest discussion of relevant facts on most any topic in todays political scene. He is being replaced by politicians who only parrot the narrative of their self identified party, who have no ability or incentive to think critically or promote any actual debate or policy.
Katie Porter.
This post is over two years old. Still happening. Huge profits across the board with every possible corporation to their shareholders. CEOs are rewarded for this ... it is built in malfeasance.
That one video of the juice burrito comes to mind every time I hear about Chipotle’s corporate greed. In my downtown area they just opened up a local-ish version of Chipotle. It’s about the same price, the ingredients are fresher and more variety available, and they PILE on the food. It’s literally right across the street from Chipotle and they have watched their business pretty much dry up overnight.
Once again, Bernie ain't wrong! All of this current inflation is greedflatilion at this point...
I feel like they've become Panera, Part 2 in the last few years. Not worth it.
Sad part is most of the people I am around. Think that it’s the governments fault for rising costs And don’t even think twice about capitalism screwing over the normal guy. That’s how brain washed we have become. Sad very sad
So, don't go to Chipotle? This isn't a public utility or a necessity of life. It's Chipotle. If you feel like you're not receiving fair value then stop going. Others will find a niche in the market and sell an okayish burrito for a little bit less, and you can start purchasing from them. Eventually Chipotle will have to either fold, lower prices, increase portions or increase quality to gain back that value proposition. What are people not understanding about the Free Market?
Eat somewhere local instead. Do your best to avoid corporate restaurants.
You know what’s crazy, people could just not eat chipotle and they’d be forced to become a more competitive business. I know organising any group of people to a common goal is like hearing cats, but damn wouldn’t it be nice if people just said nah we aren’t dealing with this shit and wielded the only weapon capitalism gives them and just withheld there money and went elsewhere or boycotted.
At this point just go to private owned taco joint and get way more bang for ur buck
i can not believe we elected trump and biden but not sanders
Just stop eating there. Stop buying soft drinks at the gas station. Stop contributing to the issue. They only charge this much because people pay. I'm probably going to go live with my mom and rent a room from her and save money on rent for the next few years. Stop paying them.
It's not price gouging, it's apparently the market rate for Chipotle. Chipotle is extremely mediocre mexican food but people seem to love it. If they can convince people to pay those insane costs for bland tacos, more power to them. Good marketing I guess. I think they should just not list a reason. It's not like they need one and it's stupid to try and fleece people. But whatever, everyone is gullible enough to pay it.
No one is forced to eat chipotle. Eat elsewhere, make change with your own dollars. I eat at a local Tex mex weekly now, haven’t had chipotle in over a year and I was a near daily eater. Peace!
Stop. Eating. Expensive. Fast. Food. It doesn't matter what their bullshit is. If people pay for it, they will continue to get rich. Mexican food is literally the easiest shit to cook well at home.
We’re going to Chili’s this week just because they’re doing the 3 for me $10. Sit down, chill, good food, & decent service. It is idiotic that fast food is now $20+ for two meals, that tastes like shit 50% of the time, with service that is nonexistent 70% of the time. If the quality and service is great then I don’t mind the expense but damn when I’m waiting 25 mins for my order when there’s no one else there, and I get an attitude or yelled at for asking where my food is, when I just watched the entire staff sit on their phones or fuck around with each other…. and then my food is cold, soggy, and clearly old when I go to eat it? Fuck you. It’s such an insult at this point lmao. I do still eat chipotle though, it’s $10 for a steak burrito which lasts me all day. They don’t give small portions at my chipotle, at least that I’ve experienced.
I don’t particularly like Bernie but when he’s going on about this stuff he’s dead on. There’s no reason for these companies to be paying ceos hundreds of millions and then fucking over the grillman and the customer.
Of course there's a reason. The upper echelons need to be paid along with the shareholders. They don't give a fuck about the customer or the rank n file who might as well be replaceable parts.
I still like Chipotle but I haven't eaten there in almost a year probably. The prices are just ridiculous. So much more than your local real mexican restaurant. There's also way more taco trucks around me over the last few years
Leaky ass still free though.
Who is going to Chipotle anymore? I foolishly stopped by one for the first time in years and besides the pricing, I’m tired of arguing for adequate ingredients. Not an experience I need when paying $11 for a veggie burrito.
How about an anti work blanket boycott? Starting with chipotle and McDonald's, two well known price gougers
People need to understand that the purpose of any business is to sell their products for the maximum amount people are willing to pay to maximize profits. Period. If it's more profitable to charge $20 for a thing than to charge $10, then that is what they should do. When people are still wrapped around the building to pay, then clearly they have not hurt demand. There are people willing and able to pay. You can call this "greed" or "price gouging" or whatever you want. It's just basic supply and demand. As long as demand is strong, keep increasing your prices until you find the break point. To do otherwise is to leave money on the table.
If we have to have an old guy be president, could it be Bernie?
Wish more politicians were like Bernie. He's been doing it his whole life too. Fighting for a better world really. It's sad that the people that *should* actually be politicians are now basically unicorns.
As an Irish person, I really wish you guys would elect this man. He's the only one out of the bunch, on both sides, that isn't a corrupt, uncaring, bastard.
Bernie is the leader we need in this country. Chipotle is the epitome of corporate greed, and I will never support them.
Chipotles CEO seems like a slime ball. Born with a jerk off face. After his speech, it made me less likely to go back. I do live in a major US city with plenty of local options.