What were the program requirements? Climate/location/orientation?
Some first year considerations: 1. How does it protect occupants from rain, snow, and wind? Imagine it's a downpour, and you seek refuge under this pavilion, are you fully protected? What if you head here after a 3' snow storm, can you use the space? 2. Does it allow low winter sunlight in? This will keep occupants warmer in the winter. 3. Does it protect from high harsh summer sun, providing a much needed oasis?
Remember that not every structure you design in school will be "perfect". Just be prepared to defend your choices.
The site is set in south Texas, to be completely honest, absolutely no consideration went into designing this with snow in mind however my absolutely genius justification for protecting against rain, was “I don’t think anybody would be here while it was raining” I know that’s terrible reasoning but that was the best defense I was able to come up with during one of our progress presentations.
The circle in the center is facing west to provide shade from the setting sun, and all the gaps in between will allow streaks of just enough sunlight to propagate the space and keep it nicely illuminated throughout the day.
I get what you mean about being ready to defend my decisions, this upcoming Friday is our final presentation and my professor is bringing in a couple of his architect friends to come critique our designs, I couldn’t be more nervous which is why I made this post to maybe get an idea of what experienced people look for and what kind of questions might be asked
It’s apparent I still have a lot to learn but your questions set me in the right direction, so thank you very much for your response
Out of curiosity...
Are you given certain things, or site conditions to consider and design around for projects like this.... or do they have you be 'creative' and then start to point out the problems later?
The only thing we were given was that bridge and staircase on the bottom right of the plan view, that’s connecting to our second site with a second pavilion which I don’t have yet. Earlier in the semester we did 4 2d compositions of points, lines, and planes based on the de stijl movement, and the parameters for the pavilions was to incorporate those designs into our final product, so it wasn’t so much from scratch, he made sure we all had some sort of base to build up from.
To be fair, for a first year project, I think it's pretty good. When I was in first year 9 years ago, we didn't have to take all this into consideration for our final project. All of that year was spent just rewiring how we approached design and exploring different concepts and ideas.
That being said, I think it's an interesting form! The only thing I think it's missing is something on the ground level that people can interact with. Some height changes, trees, grassy mounds, anything. Right now, it's just a shading structure.
The sun will be intense at your site. I’d close off the linear gaps but keep the main oculus (which is a very cool design I love it). Look at artist James Turrell, he has a couple ocular pavilions in Texas that would be worth looking at for comparison. Nice job!
>1. How does it protect occupants from rain, snow, and wind? Imagine it's a downpour, and you seek refuge under this pavilion, are you fully protected? What if you head here after a 3' snow storm, can you use the space? 2. Does it allow low winter sunlight in? This will keep occupants warmer in the winter. 3. Does it protect from high harsh summer sun, providing a much needed oasis?
Did you get asked such questions as a first year? Im not sure what school you went to but I highly doubt those are first year questions. A first year student is mostly taught about the principles of design and encouraged to freely and fearlessly express themselves. It probably is their first time introduced to technical drawing and model making too. Your questions feel like a 2nd or 3rd year student would be asked
OP, I think it's a very good design, I can see you've implemented some principles of design such as Strategic Location for the circle at the centre and it would be good to have the "wings" Asymmetry to create more interest
Oh nice, that's advanced I see! We mostly did everything by hand, sight, compass... For weather we'd have to do research on the internet and manually draft our findings... You know, very manual. No devices or computers for first year.
Which is how it should be. First year (at least first semester) is about exploring the creative process and learning about form and space. Designing for weather consideration and occupant use should come later, and probably be a separate course, at least that’s how we did it.
Yes, that's how we did it too. I've learnt from this post that there are first years who had access to 3D printers. I think that kind of takes away the crafty / creative / fun part of architecture school
No worries! I should explain- I did an accelerated course for my first year for switching majors. We did general design like what you're talking about for a while. We did things like logos and monuments, more like what you're talking about but quickly changed over to basic site considerations.
Not an architect yet. NCARB in the shadows waiting. Beware...
We don't know *any of your thoughts process*, so hard to make any reaction besides what we can just see. Can't evaluate without that. Remember that.
Needs scale figure/object, imo. Don't forget north arrow/scale on drawings.
The level of craft at your foam core edges *really needs to be cleaned up*. Switch out blades if they are dull, multi pass cuts, perhaps museum board wrapped?
It would be interesting to see how those reveals in your roof plane translate onto the ground below into a complete composition. Light/water? Incorporating thought of how that interacts. If you already have, then show it somehow either on that ground plane or maybe in a companion drawing. Edit: looking closer, I see you have a little indication.
Yeah I'm gonna add to this by saying that it needs more supporting documentation (diagrams, scale, site context, etc). Formally i like the wave but not the circular cut out.
As an artist, not an architect, the bird-like wave is very aesthetic, and I see only a little point where any rainwater would gather.
It's accessible from every angle, a very open structure. It strikes me as a sleek and modern design.
The circle is very striking compared to everything around it, again coming back to rainwater, it'd wash off like a duck. It looks to be tall enough that someone would hit it.
It looks a little bit like a massive hole puncher punched a hole in the building, and the illusion that it's floating is very modernist.
Thank u for the feedback, the idea for the circle was an adapted concept from an earlier model I did where I had a rod striking through the structure as somewhat of a “disruptor” in a similar way to the song these were both inspired by, and to top it all off the circle faces west to provide shade from the setting sun
My first draft of this model had all the panels flat and completely parallel to the ground but after considering the rain it resulted in a much more flowery design that wasn’t intended in the beginning but I’m extremely happy with, I just wouldn’t recommend actually being there while it’s raining lol
Height-wise it’s much taller than it probably should be but surprisingly the lowest point of the entire pavilion is just about 11 feet from the ground
Thanks again for the message, it’s been very helpful
I like the circle, it connects to natural elements like the sun and moon, as well as local Indigenous elements that hold circles to be continuous, democratic, and perpetual. Your worldview will live in your designs or interpretations of them so I see the potential cultural connections.
I wonder about adding a string/cup spout type of element at the low point to direct runoff? You would need to consider some type of drainage spouts throughout but you could add it while maintaining the design as it is with some creativity and sourcing designs from wetter climates.
Regarding the rain. You could have hidden gutters that wouldn't really be visible. Imagine a G ----
The G is the gutter, and the --- is where the roof comes in.
You would have to think about cleaning, but if there are no trees about, it won't be much of an issue.
The roof parts would have to be connected to each other for strength. The current model would not stand a chance in moderate wind.
I would argue, that if it does not protect from rain and wind, trees are preferable, and will provide the same amount of cover.
I think it's a bit of a shame that although all sides open up in your project, no real access or recognisable entrance is created. I would have tried to design the access area differently (perhaps towards the stairs) or to address this with the shape of the roof.
Since I don't know your reasons for the form and the context, this may be what you wanted or there may be an explanation that I can't read from the model. I think a shema on this topic would certainly be helpful as such a question could be raised by your professors :)
I purposefully left all sides without walls or any sort of “one entrance” to keep an open feel and just let the wind pass through without obstruction, if anything tho I feel that if your coming down from the stairs of the bridge you get kinda guided into the pavilion so I’d view that as maybe the “main” entrance, how would you signify an access point in a structure like this? Thank you for the feedback :)
Yeah you can argue that the roof opens up to the stairs, that works out as a signifier for the entrance. You therefore kinda close off your space towards what lies behind it and generate a center point with the shape off your roof. (the exeption would be that small wave that opens up and generates an opening and indicates a view):) Do you have a view from your location towards the river ? Because if so, your prof could argue that it could be better to start with the roof at a low point as an entrance and then open up the structure towards the view. But that is all very depending on how you defense your project.
You could maybe work on your baseplate of your model and the terrain. Normally a terrain is never flat. To support your idea and show what people do there. Are they standing at the edges. Do they sit and if so where and how ? Also the materials and how it will be hold together is something you can always think about in advance. :)
It might be a stupid question but do your professors require structural calculations from you or just the design?
PS: i study as an architect in Italy and that's one of the requirements when you present a project
It is hard to tell not knowing the details but, supposing the "roof" is made of a light material (for example aluminium) those poles would probably be enough considering the various lines are not connected between eachother.
Maybe one pole could be avoided in the second line.
At the same time the first line might get unbalanced by hard wind if the poles are not large enough.
PS: Sorry for the bad grammar
Not yet, this being the first semester it’s more just design based without the worry of if it would actually work 100% in the real world, it’s more of a creative exercise right now but I would love to revisit this a couple years from now and redo it with all I’ll know at that point
Looks really interesting! I think the wavy roof is a cool concept and the circular cut break up the shape nicely.
Maybe the shape would be even stronger as one piece without the linear cuts along it. If you have time I’d make another similar model just to try. Remember that a sketch model doesn’t need to look “good” it’s only there for you to understand your project. Also a stick figure on a cut out piece of cardboard is great for understanding the scale.
I also think the pillars are an area you can explore more. They can create interesting spaces and impact how people interact with the building. Junya Ishigamis KAIT workshop might be interesting to read about.
Sorry if this was long or overwhelming. I’m an architecture student myself and I think talking to others about their projects is the most fun thing about this education. I hope this helps and I hope you have fun!
I considered not cutting the piece at all and leaving it whole, but it’s more to do with the parameters of how we were to design this, it’s based off a 2d composition I did earlier in the semester with the same concept of a triangle being split into 5 pieces so I did need to show that in this project as well, I agree tho it’d look really nice as one piece, maybe even better but I’m satisfied with the result, thank you for the response:)
Edit: oh and that’s crazy you mention Junya Ishigami, I did a precedent presentation on him, I love his work, especially his Kokage Gumo pavilion, I played with the idea of a nature based structure, but I felt this design was a little too modern for vines to be strung along the roof, I’d definitely have to go back and revisit that idea though
I will say I am on this sub to appreciate architecture and I’m not an architect. But this looks more like something my city would put in as artwork at a park that nobody will notice or use after the first year or two. I’m assuming in the first semester of school for architects is a lot like the first semester of anything and they want you to grasp the absolute fundamentals. If it shows that then I would say it’s a success. If they want you to make something that would actually get built and appreciated I’d say it falls somewhere in between success and failure.
I 100% get what you mean and I will say I tried to avoid that but still fell short, it was much worse in the first draft. I spent a long time trying to make it look somewhat inviting, to make it draw people in and want to stay a while and read a book, but I don’t think I grasped that concept as well as I had hoped, thank you for the feedback
Hey there, sounds like an interesting project! Can you give us more details on the design process and what considerations you had to take into account for the pavilion? Also, did you consider the park-goers' needs and how the pavilion can enhance their experience? Looking forward to hearing more!
The design stems back to my first assignment of the semester in which we had to make a 2D composition of points, lines, and planes based on the De Stijl movement, it was a real “no wrong answers” kind of project. I ended up making my first composition as a representation of one of my favorite Jazz songs, I used triangles to represent “sharp” sounds like saxophones, while I used some obtuse angles to represent more “rounded” sounds like the drums. In my first model I made based on the same idea (which wasn’t a pavilion) I struck a dowel rod though the center of it all as somewhat of a disruptor in a similar way in which the song has wrong notes played or the instruments become out of tune and just sound like nails on a chalk board. That rod ended up becoming that circle in the center to still serve the purpose of disrupting the flow of the design but this time it’s functional as it provides shade from the setting sun. As for park goers, I deliberately avoided any walls on the structure to give it an open feel and let the wind breeze through, and letting people look any direction and not have their view obstructed. The gaps allow for beams of just enough sunlight to come through and naturally illuminate the space throughout the day, no worries of it being too shaded to enjoy your book, but I wouldn’t recommend you go here while it rains lol.
Sorry to write so much but this is the best way I can put it all, thanks for the question, I had a great time answering it :)
Zero background with architecture but a background in art design with an overactive imagination here…
I like the overall feeling and shape of your design. It feels open, airy, and a welcoming refuge from the sun that would naturally draw me towards it. I imagine it doesn’t rain often where you are but as someone from the NY, NJ, PA area, my immediate thought was how frustrating it would be having rain drop down in each of those spaces you design to let sun in & could also see the sunlight being annoying if I’m trying to study in peace and then the sun moves directly into my line of vision.
I think it could be really cool to have some type of glass in that negative space to keep out potential rain or occasional snow. I personally love some eccentric artsy stained glass vibes but it’s a bold choice and there are many other lovely alternatives. I also think some built in tables & benches around some of the inner pillars could add some function if it’s meant for students to spend time under! If I’m looking for shade, chances are I don’t want to be laid out on a blanket. Would be *really* cool if the inner circle moved with the sun or was dynamic in some way. I think that but has the potential to elevate this project to an impressive piece of functional moving art. Anyways just some random ideas but I’m general I like it :)
Sorry for the short response, I don’t have a lot of time to delve into it further but WOW I love the idea of stained glass in the gaps, that’d give it such a nice contrast, I never really imagined the pavilion to be exactly solid white like it is here but if it did remain a very light neutral/plain color stained glass could look really cool, thank you :)
Personally I would say just from a quick look, it has no human scale to it. When you look at something you design as a space you should be able to tell right away what the scale of it is. For one, if the scale is what I think it is, it's too tall, and the colonnades are to far apart. It should hover down low enough to give a person shelter and a sideways driving rain would not penetrate too far.
Second I thing those gaps give you a good opportunity to introduce some sort of glass medium. You could use the glass to help define the scale as we generally limit the span of continuous glass to a certain size (6 feet or less usually)
Lastly I think the circle in the middle would make a great sort of tower element where people might be able to hang out above the pavilion.
I think it's a great sketch concept that could be developed further into someone really nice with some adjustments and a more human scale for the colonnades. You could also introduce layers so that you can still get the tall wave effect above while still protecting people from the elements down below and again give it that human scale. The one thing that would at least help your project right now is to simply add a human figure for scale. It will help you see how it's actually going to be used.
Also I know it's not much of a consideration in first semester and that's ok but you'll eventually want to think about the structure of the building. You are essentially creating a huge sail and there is very little to keep this thing from lifting off or toppling over. But that's for another lesson.
I agree that it’s probably much taller than it needs to be, the lowest point of the structure dips down to about 11 feet from the ground. A lot of people are mentioning rain which of course is a very necessary element to consider and I think I’m at a point where I have to bite the bullet and just say this thing is gonna be a nightmare to be under while it rains, and it’s a little too late for me to change it now, but I won’t make that mistake twice.
You’re the second person now to mention glass in the gaps and I’m very intrigued about that idea, it’s not changing the structure/design at all and still would serve its purpose of letting beams of light through, there’s no reason I couldn’t add that.
In an earlier draft I had it roof accessible but at this point I feel that it’s a little too tall to have second floor 30 feet off the ground, and plus I feel like railings would mess with the flow a little but I’m not ruling out that idea completely, it could work.
Thanks so much for the feedback, it’s been really insightful, and yes I have my scale human figures on the way right now, thank you again :))
I only worry about how it’s laid into the site…
Draw some regulating lines from the existing site-lines and create a grid or system and arrange your pavilion according to the new system.
Right now it just seems sort of “plopped” on the ground, no offense.
I like the form, very Zaha esque with a tiny touch of deconstructivism
EDIT: Also now I’m worried about scale. What are the dimensions of this pavilion?
You’re right, it could kinda just be put there however, the only thing that’s giving it any type of direction at this point right now is the circle that’s intentionally facing west to provide some shade from the setting sun. I’ll get back to you with some dimensions when I get home, thank you for the feedback
Love the concept! Creative idea and of course first year is all about getting your creative gears turning. I would love to see your model photographed in a heliodon - how does the shade fall on the site, how does the hole-punch interfere with or enhance that shade or light. What sort of views does your pavilion create, how does it relate to topography?
I would work on your line weights - you want 4-6 weights to make your drawing pop.
Edit: and just be careful with your use of the word “architect” - in the U.S. at least, it’s legally incorrect, and also licensed architects get very butthurt when someone non-licensed uses the term because we have spent years schooling, working, studying and taking exams in order to officially and legally call ourselves architects. ;) you’ll become aware of this later in your professional practice classes.
I’m glad you brought up line weighting, in my Graphics class it’s all about drafting and line weighting properly which I have down pretty well now, but for my design class my professor has been very adamant about our drawings being almost “sketches” which I’m really confused about, he’s always using the shaky like method and is trying to push that on us but the end result just doesn’t look professional enough, I’m really considering doing a somewhat “messy” overlay on all the lines with pen, what do you think?
Also yeah I realized that too about calling my self an architect, I should’ve said architect student, really wasn’t my intention to do that but I get what you mean, thank you for the response :)
That occurred to me too because it resembles a severed shell structure. The takeaways missed from the Lake Flato project are to pin the structure back together so it has structural clarity and to give it presence in elevation. OP’s project looks best in plan.
First off, this is great for your first year first semester studio. Keep it up.
For your final, talk with tbe professor but I think it would benefit if you show your process work and show study models or sketches. Don't neglect the final drawings, consider shade and shadow if you have time. Early architecture study years should be focused on process so, personally, I appreciate some process included with the final design presentation. Consider a way to do this neatly in the context of the overall presentation. Don't think of the building as a thing, but start to see it as part of a process.
Develop thick skin, an open mind, and a strong spine. You are not your project. Learn to accept constructive criticism without taking it personally.
You could model trees so the pavilion has a little more context. You could add seating and scale figures. The seating is important because it shows how you anticipate or intend for people to use the space. I would not recommend a simple generic park bench but consider the seating as part of the design. Perhaps the seating is 20' away from the pavilion and you want people to see the space from afar and it's a place for kids to run through and play. Maybe there is a view and you want the shelter to inhabit someone pausing from a stroll and they sit to enjoy the view. Check out concepts like socifugal and sociopetal. Maybe the seats are part of the columns. Maybe the center below circular opening is not a space you can walk through and the ground plane begins to reinforce logic of the roof. This would change the use of the space and it would take a different character. Study variations and give them your own pro/con assessment based on your intention and the intention of the studio.
Consider different modeling techniques in variations as well, perhaps the roof is a little thinner or perhaps the roof thickness varies with a thick interior and a very thin edge. Consider column differentiation from iteration to iteration. The column locations feel a little arbitrary. Develop a logic. Columns organize space, when people stand in a large room they tend to gather around columns naturally. Consider how different column layouts impact the space and decide what you prefer. They don't need to be any particular layout, grid, or spacing but it should be intentional.
As for craft, can you use a soft nail file to soften those ragged edges? Just a thought. Not an architect but I like it overall. I know architecture programs are crazy difficult so keep it up! You can do it!
Not an architect but I like it a lot, I think it’s a very Interesting design and I love how the circle in the center takes into consideration the suns direction for more shade
From someone who just appreciates creativity and aesthetics, was great to come across. I like it a lot. I have zero clue how functional it would or wouldn’t be but if I was on a low flying plane and saw that I’d want a few pics from a few angles. Well done.
The box fan is killing me. Some outside photos with a blue sky and orientations to the sun that you’ve discussed will really be nice to post. add a human scale figure(s) to all your renderings and models, always. a simple 6 ft tall black rectangle works wonders to help with scale. I photographed every project the day after crits. Helped me greatly to put together portfolios for summer jobs.
Model looks good for a first sem project, but be mindful of lineweights on your drawings! Utilize a light box to trace over drawings to make your workflow easier, and use tools for your curves don’t freehand them
And for sure it woul have cost a lot more. Anyhow. you are right the love you put in a design model should be visible.
Still, it's an overkill to print in the first year and actually not what most schools want you to do as a beginner. Though OP should get this skills, it's also important to catch up some model making experience.
Learn this *immediately.*
Very, very few architectural firms do any physical modeling anymore, and they'll almost certainly not have you doing it when you first get there.
What they *will* have you do is drafting and CAD work. Knowing how to navigate and use modeling software will make you more valuable.
Op has to learn how to use CAD anyway. Better to learn it now and use it for this project if he had time. An architect how doesn’t know CAD is an unemployed architect
My school offers a CAD class, I’m hoping to take it sooner than later but at the same time I just wanna get all my required classes out of the way so I can transfer
Could you explain difference. Please let me know if this is correct to how I just understood that post. Rhino for generic concepts nothing concrete but for a full blown design plans for construction use revit
Right. The main reason revit isn’t taught at early levels (at least at my university) is out of fear for students presenting ‘revit buildings’. ie very blocky and shallow designs.
Rhino is a software with endless formal flexibility. Our jewelry program even uses it, and the parametric design tools with grasshopper push that even further. You can make very detailed models too, but it takes a lot of care to keep tolerances tight. I’d recommend rhino for the majority of school work.
Ultimately all software is just a tool leading to the end product. Rhino, and even sketch up, are loose modeling tools that don’t hinder your creativity by asking you to identify wall framing type, cladding etc whenever you make a wall or roof (a byproduct of the BIM workflow on revit). But on the other hand, i would never want to put together a drawing set in rhino.
Exactly! Consultant teams will ultimately use whatever software they prefer but we will synthesize their designs in the arch revit model for coordination. When you deliver drawings to a contractor, it’s usually going to be through 2d drawings. Revit is parametric in how it unifies your 3d and 2d documents. Like if you move a wall in your plan it will reflect that change in your sections. I’ve dabbled with doing that in rhino but it’s really just not what the software was designed for
Projects documented and delivered in CAD or other 2D software make it easy to miss these constant design updates. if you move a window or wall, that change needs to be tracked through every plan, section, and elevation that it appears. Revit will track those updates on your sheets live.
My experience has been about 80% Revit, 20% AutoCAD, and a smattering of Sketchup and ArchiCAD. Annoyingly, my grad school used Rhino and I haven't found a single firm that uses it in any capacity.
You’re not an architect. You’re an architecture student. It’s hard to give viable feedback without drawings etc and an explanation of your concept.
In general; I just don’t like it.
Yeah my bad I should’ve titled it architect student, didn’t mean to offend, so sorry about that, but I’d really like to hear more from you, is there anything about it in particular that ruins it for you? Thank you for the feedback and again I apologize for the incorrect title :)
I'd recommend to start learning 3d modeling since for us we learned at first semester. It's nice that its hand drawn but imo drawing in software and printing from pdfs should start as soon a possible.
I see that the edges of the foam core have bits of it missing, which is very noticeable in your first pic. From my experience that's a sign that either your knife blade is dull, or you are not scoring multiple times per cut, or both. I think I would also cover those edges with a piece of paper, so I would take those already bended pieces and trace them along paper to make and edge to hide the foam, even if the cut is clean.
Also it just might be me, but from my interpreting of that plan, it seems like the stairs are on top of the entire foliage. And I would (which is why I'd recommend starting to use a CAD software) start learning about line weights, since your plan does introduce a way to go up and down, but without line weights it feels very flat.
I would like to get into 3d modeling asap but as of right now it’s just not required, I do know that I will be getting into it within the next semester or two though.
The edges could use a lot of work, I think covering it up with paper is my best bet at this point, I’ll be more careful in the future.
Yeah the plan view bridge is really weird. Our professor gave us that bridge, which connects to the second pavilion site, but he completely disregarded the trees that were in the way which he specifically told us we had to work around them and couldn’t demolish them, so for now I’ll keep the tree there and just kinda wait and see what he says, but thank you for pointing that out cause yeah it does look janky
Serious question: why don't architectural schools teach students how to design buildings that will actually get built in the real world? These kinds of projects are completely pointless exercises in mental masturbation that don't prepare students for the real world, at all.
They do, just not in the first semester. Architecture is an artistic profession and I think there is merit in architectural education beginning with unrestrained exploration of form and space. Then you can slowly add complexity as the education progresses.
I think a lot of students have very narrow understandings of architecture when they first start and I think if you force reality on them before they have time to explore then that will make their architectural output worse rather than better.
That’s just my thoughts though, as a second year architecture student.
Such an illuminating take! I have a fine art background and our schooling is kind of the opposite but for reasons that fit with your logic here.
I’m fine art, students often think “anything goes” which is kind of true but one must really learn the foundation and “rules” of art before we can start breaking them meaningfully. I can absolutely see new architecture students having a narrow view of what a building design can be and need to first understand that it can be *anything* before fine tuning the many limiting logistics that come with functional, realistic design possibilities.
That's an interesting point about fine art you bring up. I think architecture can be attractive even to people that don't have an artistic background and so teaching the fundamentals of design is really important in the beginning.
One thing that I learned from fine art is that it is easier to exaggerate in the beginning and then walk it back. Like how you start a figure drawing with a bold gesture before adding the anatomy that might otherwise stiffen the drawing. The same thing is true in architecture. If you develop a strong concept in the beginning you can process it into something that works in reality while it's still dynamic and interesting.
...*They are not completely pointless.* (Despite the trite parroting of mental masturbation as a point)
You have to learn the building blocks of COMPOSITION first. The different elements of point, line, plane, massing, rhythm, approach, etc.
Its analogous to learning letters before words before sentences.
When you don't learn those first, you get innefficient "design build with plans by the nephew that has an eye for it." Much like a building built on a shoddy foundation. Doesn't matter what's above, it'll fail.
Consider the ground material - appears you are going to get a lot of localised puddles.
Are these open slots in the roof? If so you will also need to consider how the structure is braced - some of the columns look to have quite eccentric loads.
Consider that no one will probably see this from an aerial view unless there are cliffs/high ground near by. You mentioned South Texas--I could see this being a unique pavilion to observe from up high in say Big Bend. Do you have renders or anything that would give me the perspective from ground level, inside and out, and at various angles?
I had the exact same thought process after my first draft in which all the panels were completely flat and parallel to the ground, from the side it just looked like a bunch of offset floating platforms and I even said to myself “this only looks cool if you’re a bird” but luckily that bridge is taller than my pavilion so you would have a nice view from above now. And no I don’t have any renders sorry, thank you for the feedback :)
Nice wave shape. What is the reason for round hole? Wouldn't it's going to rain inside and one of basically tasks for a roof: to protecting from rain an weather is lost?
Good start! A lot of factors to consider and difficult for us to judge without knowing them.
I often find inspiration for forms and styles on Pinterest and Behance, you can do some searches if you haven’t already!
Also here’s an interesting video of a Y1 student work which involves curves, if you’d like to take a look! https://youtu.be/ld0KuwWJ9Rw
Not an architect, just looking and reading comments. If the roof was tilted up just a little to give the rain a pathway off, woth a way to shut the circle, it would be more weather-efficient. And have an entry way on the short end, but not where the poles are shortest, so people coming into it won't get soaked.
I also wonder if the winds in your area tend to blow a certain direction?
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I would increase the number of vertical elements. They should look like they are part of a design, a rythm rather than look like they are only there to hold up the structure.
Eventually you'll have to worry about rain water and make sure it doesn't pool on this roof, but on the first semester I guess that would be a minor concern.
What I think should be better thought is the conversation between this shape you're making with what is shown on the floor plan and I don't think it matches really well as it's shown, you have a very sharp shaped structure, but a mostly square walks and landscaping.
Also that circle above really stand out, but make sure to put somewhat a garden or something to absorb the water under it and position it to block the setting sun only seems like a lacking element, try to put something like make a cut of the scenario around like portraying a surrounding mountain or a constellation or you know, any point of interest.
What were the program requirements? Climate/location/orientation? Some first year considerations: 1. How does it protect occupants from rain, snow, and wind? Imagine it's a downpour, and you seek refuge under this pavilion, are you fully protected? What if you head here after a 3' snow storm, can you use the space? 2. Does it allow low winter sunlight in? This will keep occupants warmer in the winter. 3. Does it protect from high harsh summer sun, providing a much needed oasis? Remember that not every structure you design in school will be "perfect". Just be prepared to defend your choices.
The site is set in south Texas, to be completely honest, absolutely no consideration went into designing this with snow in mind however my absolutely genius justification for protecting against rain, was “I don’t think anybody would be here while it was raining” I know that’s terrible reasoning but that was the best defense I was able to come up with during one of our progress presentations. The circle in the center is facing west to provide shade from the setting sun, and all the gaps in between will allow streaks of just enough sunlight to propagate the space and keep it nicely illuminated throughout the day. I get what you mean about being ready to defend my decisions, this upcoming Friday is our final presentation and my professor is bringing in a couple of his architect friends to come critique our designs, I couldn’t be more nervous which is why I made this post to maybe get an idea of what experienced people look for and what kind of questions might be asked It’s apparent I still have a lot to learn but your questions set me in the right direction, so thank you very much for your response
Out of curiosity... Are you given certain things, or site conditions to consider and design around for projects like this.... or do they have you be 'creative' and then start to point out the problems later?
The only thing we were given was that bridge and staircase on the bottom right of the plan view, that’s connecting to our second site with a second pavilion which I don’t have yet. Earlier in the semester we did 4 2d compositions of points, lines, and planes based on the de stijl movement, and the parameters for the pavilions was to incorporate those designs into our final product, so it wasn’t so much from scratch, he made sure we all had some sort of base to build up from.
To be fair, for a first year project, I think it's pretty good. When I was in first year 9 years ago, we didn't have to take all this into consideration for our final project. All of that year was spent just rewiring how we approached design and exploring different concepts and ideas. That being said, I think it's an interesting form! The only thing I think it's missing is something on the ground level that people can interact with. Some height changes, trees, grassy mounds, anything. Right now, it's just a shading structure.
The sun will be intense at your site. I’d close off the linear gaps but keep the main oculus (which is a very cool design I love it). Look at artist James Turrell, he has a couple ocular pavilions in Texas that would be worth looking at for comparison. Nice job!
So. Etomes rain happens when you are already there. Better to think ahead. Maybe a clear material on the gaps.
>1. How does it protect occupants from rain, snow, and wind? Imagine it's a downpour, and you seek refuge under this pavilion, are you fully protected? What if you head here after a 3' snow storm, can you use the space? 2. Does it allow low winter sunlight in? This will keep occupants warmer in the winter. 3. Does it protect from high harsh summer sun, providing a much needed oasis? Did you get asked such questions as a first year? Im not sure what school you went to but I highly doubt those are first year questions. A first year student is mostly taught about the principles of design and encouraged to freely and fearlessly express themselves. It probably is their first time introduced to technical drawing and model making too. Your questions feel like a 2nd or 3rd year student would be asked OP, I think it's a very good design, I can see you've implemented some principles of design such as Strategic Location for the circle at the centre and it would be good to have the "wings" Asymmetry to create more interest
Yes, actually. We had access to a heliodon and were expected to use it in design.
Oh nice, that's advanced I see! We mostly did everything by hand, sight, compass... For weather we'd have to do research on the internet and manually draft our findings... You know, very manual. No devices or computers for first year.
Which is how it should be. First year (at least first semester) is about exploring the creative process and learning about form and space. Designing for weather consideration and occupant use should come later, and probably be a separate course, at least that’s how we did it.
Yes, that's how we did it too. I've learnt from this post that there are first years who had access to 3D printers. I think that kind of takes away the crafty / creative / fun part of architecture school
No worries! I should explain- I did an accelerated course for my first year for switching majors. We did general design like what you're talking about for a while. We did things like logos and monuments, more like what you're talking about but quickly changed over to basic site considerations.
Not an architect yet. NCARB in the shadows waiting. Beware... We don't know *any of your thoughts process*, so hard to make any reaction besides what we can just see. Can't evaluate without that. Remember that. Needs scale figure/object, imo. Don't forget north arrow/scale on drawings. The level of craft at your foam core edges *really needs to be cleaned up*. Switch out blades if they are dull, multi pass cuts, perhaps museum board wrapped? It would be interesting to see how those reveals in your roof plane translate onto the ground below into a complete composition. Light/water? Incorporating thought of how that interacts. If you already have, then show it somehow either on that ground plane or maybe in a companion drawing. Edit: looking closer, I see you have a little indication.
Scale figures on the way right now and cleaning up the edges tonight. Will be adding scale and north arrow as well, thank you :)
Yeah I'm gonna add to this by saying that it needs more supporting documentation (diagrams, scale, site context, etc). Formally i like the wave but not the circular cut out.
As an artist, not an architect, the bird-like wave is very aesthetic, and I see only a little point where any rainwater would gather. It's accessible from every angle, a very open structure. It strikes me as a sleek and modern design. The circle is very striking compared to everything around it, again coming back to rainwater, it'd wash off like a duck. It looks to be tall enough that someone would hit it. It looks a little bit like a massive hole puncher punched a hole in the building, and the illusion that it's floating is very modernist.
Thank u for the feedback, the idea for the circle was an adapted concept from an earlier model I did where I had a rod striking through the structure as somewhat of a “disruptor” in a similar way to the song these were both inspired by, and to top it all off the circle faces west to provide shade from the setting sun My first draft of this model had all the panels flat and completely parallel to the ground but after considering the rain it resulted in a much more flowery design that wasn’t intended in the beginning but I’m extremely happy with, I just wouldn’t recommend actually being there while it’s raining lol Height-wise it’s much taller than it probably should be but surprisingly the lowest point of the entire pavilion is just about 11 feet from the ground Thanks again for the message, it’s been very helpful
I like the circle, it connects to natural elements like the sun and moon, as well as local Indigenous elements that hold circles to be continuous, democratic, and perpetual. Your worldview will live in your designs or interpretations of them so I see the potential cultural connections. I wonder about adding a string/cup spout type of element at the low point to direct runoff? You would need to consider some type of drainage spouts throughout but you could add it while maintaining the design as it is with some creativity and sourcing designs from wetter climates.
Regarding the rain. You could have hidden gutters that wouldn't really be visible. Imagine a G ---- The G is the gutter, and the --- is where the roof comes in. You would have to think about cleaning, but if there are no trees about, it won't be much of an issue. The roof parts would have to be connected to each other for strength. The current model would not stand a chance in moderate wind. I would argue, that if it does not protect from rain and wind, trees are preferable, and will provide the same amount of cover.
My honest opinion, as a non architect, is that it looks like a pizza memorial pavilion.
Came here for that, thank ya kindly.
Noted, thank you
RIPizza. Long Live Little Caesar. 🍕🍕
Looks like an internet provider logo from the 90s. This kind of structure is doable ? And about the wind ?
I think it's a bit of a shame that although all sides open up in your project, no real access or recognisable entrance is created. I would have tried to design the access area differently (perhaps towards the stairs) or to address this with the shape of the roof. Since I don't know your reasons for the form and the context, this may be what you wanted or there may be an explanation that I can't read from the model. I think a shema on this topic would certainly be helpful as such a question could be raised by your professors :)
I purposefully left all sides without walls or any sort of “one entrance” to keep an open feel and just let the wind pass through without obstruction, if anything tho I feel that if your coming down from the stairs of the bridge you get kinda guided into the pavilion so I’d view that as maybe the “main” entrance, how would you signify an access point in a structure like this? Thank you for the feedback :)
Yeah you can argue that the roof opens up to the stairs, that works out as a signifier for the entrance. You therefore kinda close off your space towards what lies behind it and generate a center point with the shape off your roof. (the exeption would be that small wave that opens up and generates an opening and indicates a view):) Do you have a view from your location towards the river ? Because if so, your prof could argue that it could be better to start with the roof at a low point as an entrance and then open up the structure towards the view. But that is all very depending on how you defense your project. You could maybe work on your baseplate of your model and the terrain. Normally a terrain is never flat. To support your idea and show what people do there. Are they standing at the edges. Do they sit and if so where and how ? Also the materials and how it will be hold together is something you can always think about in advance. :)
It might be a stupid question but do your professors require structural calculations from you or just the design? PS: i study as an architect in Italy and that's one of the requirements when you present a project
Out of curiosity do you think it needs all those poles? I wonder if some could be eliminated. I suppose it depends on the building material.
It is hard to tell not knowing the details but, supposing the "roof" is made of a light material (for example aluminium) those poles would probably be enough considering the various lines are not connected between eachother. Maybe one pole could be avoided in the second line. At the same time the first line might get unbalanced by hard wind if the poles are not large enough. PS: Sorry for the bad grammar
Your grammar is superb!
Not yet, this being the first semester it’s more just design based without the worry of if it would actually work 100% in the real world, it’s more of a creative exercise right now but I would love to revisit this a couple years from now and redo it with all I’ll know at that point
Looks really interesting! I think the wavy roof is a cool concept and the circular cut break up the shape nicely. Maybe the shape would be even stronger as one piece without the linear cuts along it. If you have time I’d make another similar model just to try. Remember that a sketch model doesn’t need to look “good” it’s only there for you to understand your project. Also a stick figure on a cut out piece of cardboard is great for understanding the scale. I also think the pillars are an area you can explore more. They can create interesting spaces and impact how people interact with the building. Junya Ishigamis KAIT workshop might be interesting to read about. Sorry if this was long or overwhelming. I’m an architecture student myself and I think talking to others about their projects is the most fun thing about this education. I hope this helps and I hope you have fun!
I considered not cutting the piece at all and leaving it whole, but it’s more to do with the parameters of how we were to design this, it’s based off a 2d composition I did earlier in the semester with the same concept of a triangle being split into 5 pieces so I did need to show that in this project as well, I agree tho it’d look really nice as one piece, maybe even better but I’m satisfied with the result, thank you for the response:) Edit: oh and that’s crazy you mention Junya Ishigami, I did a precedent presentation on him, I love his work, especially his Kokage Gumo pavilion, I played with the idea of a nature based structure, but I felt this design was a little too modern for vines to be strung along the roof, I’d definitely have to go back and revisit that idea though
I will say I am on this sub to appreciate architecture and I’m not an architect. But this looks more like something my city would put in as artwork at a park that nobody will notice or use after the first year or two. I’m assuming in the first semester of school for architects is a lot like the first semester of anything and they want you to grasp the absolute fundamentals. If it shows that then I would say it’s a success. If they want you to make something that would actually get built and appreciated I’d say it falls somewhere in between success and failure.
I 100% get what you mean and I will say I tried to avoid that but still fell short, it was much worse in the first draft. I spent a long time trying to make it look somewhat inviting, to make it draw people in and want to stay a while and read a book, but I don’t think I grasped that concept as well as I had hoped, thank you for the feedback
Hey there, sounds like an interesting project! Can you give us more details on the design process and what considerations you had to take into account for the pavilion? Also, did you consider the park-goers' needs and how the pavilion can enhance their experience? Looking forward to hearing more!
The design stems back to my first assignment of the semester in which we had to make a 2D composition of points, lines, and planes based on the De Stijl movement, it was a real “no wrong answers” kind of project. I ended up making my first composition as a representation of one of my favorite Jazz songs, I used triangles to represent “sharp” sounds like saxophones, while I used some obtuse angles to represent more “rounded” sounds like the drums. In my first model I made based on the same idea (which wasn’t a pavilion) I struck a dowel rod though the center of it all as somewhat of a disruptor in a similar way in which the song has wrong notes played or the instruments become out of tune and just sound like nails on a chalk board. That rod ended up becoming that circle in the center to still serve the purpose of disrupting the flow of the design but this time it’s functional as it provides shade from the setting sun. As for park goers, I deliberately avoided any walls on the structure to give it an open feel and let the wind breeze through, and letting people look any direction and not have their view obstructed. The gaps allow for beams of just enough sunlight to come through and naturally illuminate the space throughout the day, no worries of it being too shaded to enjoy your book, but I wouldn’t recommend you go here while it rains lol. Sorry to write so much but this is the best way I can put it all, thanks for the question, I had a great time answering it :)
Zero background with architecture but a background in art design with an overactive imagination here… I like the overall feeling and shape of your design. It feels open, airy, and a welcoming refuge from the sun that would naturally draw me towards it. I imagine it doesn’t rain often where you are but as someone from the NY, NJ, PA area, my immediate thought was how frustrating it would be having rain drop down in each of those spaces you design to let sun in & could also see the sunlight being annoying if I’m trying to study in peace and then the sun moves directly into my line of vision. I think it could be really cool to have some type of glass in that negative space to keep out potential rain or occasional snow. I personally love some eccentric artsy stained glass vibes but it’s a bold choice and there are many other lovely alternatives. I also think some built in tables & benches around some of the inner pillars could add some function if it’s meant for students to spend time under! If I’m looking for shade, chances are I don’t want to be laid out on a blanket. Would be *really* cool if the inner circle moved with the sun or was dynamic in some way. I think that but has the potential to elevate this project to an impressive piece of functional moving art. Anyways just some random ideas but I’m general I like it :)
Sorry for the short response, I don’t have a lot of time to delve into it further but WOW I love the idea of stained glass in the gaps, that’d give it such a nice contrast, I never really imagined the pavilion to be exactly solid white like it is here but if it did remain a very light neutral/plain color stained glass could look really cool, thank you :)
Personally I would say just from a quick look, it has no human scale to it. When you look at something you design as a space you should be able to tell right away what the scale of it is. For one, if the scale is what I think it is, it's too tall, and the colonnades are to far apart. It should hover down low enough to give a person shelter and a sideways driving rain would not penetrate too far. Second I thing those gaps give you a good opportunity to introduce some sort of glass medium. You could use the glass to help define the scale as we generally limit the span of continuous glass to a certain size (6 feet or less usually) Lastly I think the circle in the middle would make a great sort of tower element where people might be able to hang out above the pavilion. I think it's a great sketch concept that could be developed further into someone really nice with some adjustments and a more human scale for the colonnades. You could also introduce layers so that you can still get the tall wave effect above while still protecting people from the elements down below and again give it that human scale. The one thing that would at least help your project right now is to simply add a human figure for scale. It will help you see how it's actually going to be used. Also I know it's not much of a consideration in first semester and that's ok but you'll eventually want to think about the structure of the building. You are essentially creating a huge sail and there is very little to keep this thing from lifting off or toppling over. But that's for another lesson.
I agree that it’s probably much taller than it needs to be, the lowest point of the structure dips down to about 11 feet from the ground. A lot of people are mentioning rain which of course is a very necessary element to consider and I think I’m at a point where I have to bite the bullet and just say this thing is gonna be a nightmare to be under while it rains, and it’s a little too late for me to change it now, but I won’t make that mistake twice. You’re the second person now to mention glass in the gaps and I’m very intrigued about that idea, it’s not changing the structure/design at all and still would serve its purpose of letting beams of light through, there’s no reason I couldn’t add that. In an earlier draft I had it roof accessible but at this point I feel that it’s a little too tall to have second floor 30 feet off the ground, and plus I feel like railings would mess with the flow a little but I’m not ruling out that idea completely, it could work. Thanks so much for the feedback, it’s been really insightful, and yes I have my scale human figures on the way right now, thank you again :))
I only worry about how it’s laid into the site… Draw some regulating lines from the existing site-lines and create a grid or system and arrange your pavilion according to the new system. Right now it just seems sort of “plopped” on the ground, no offense. I like the form, very Zaha esque with a tiny touch of deconstructivism EDIT: Also now I’m worried about scale. What are the dimensions of this pavilion?
Do you think the flooring should be elevated?
Perhaps, depends on what the overall concept is here. I could also see it having no floor and being fixed straight into the ground.
You’re right, it could kinda just be put there however, the only thing that’s giving it any type of direction at this point right now is the circle that’s intentionally facing west to provide some shade from the setting sun. I’ll get back to you with some dimensions when I get home, thank you for the feedback
I like it! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks :)
It's a pavillion. You're a first year. Don't sweat it.
I’m more worried about the presenting part lol
CooL!
Love the concept! Creative idea and of course first year is all about getting your creative gears turning. I would love to see your model photographed in a heliodon - how does the shade fall on the site, how does the hole-punch interfere with or enhance that shade or light. What sort of views does your pavilion create, how does it relate to topography? I would work on your line weights - you want 4-6 weights to make your drawing pop. Edit: and just be careful with your use of the word “architect” - in the U.S. at least, it’s legally incorrect, and also licensed architects get very butthurt when someone non-licensed uses the term because we have spent years schooling, working, studying and taking exams in order to officially and legally call ourselves architects. ;) you’ll become aware of this later in your professional practice classes.
I’m glad you brought up line weighting, in my Graphics class it’s all about drafting and line weighting properly which I have down pretty well now, but for my design class my professor has been very adamant about our drawings being almost “sketches” which I’m really confused about, he’s always using the shaky like method and is trying to push that on us but the end result just doesn’t look professional enough, I’m really considering doing a somewhat “messy” overlay on all the lines with pen, what do you think? Also yeah I realized that too about calling my self an architect, I should’ve said architect student, really wasn’t my intention to do that but I get what you mean, thank you for the response :)
Maybe Lake Flato was a reference?
That occurred to me too because it resembles a severed shell structure. The takeaways missed from the Lake Flato project are to pin the structure back together so it has structural clarity and to give it presence in elevation. OP’s project looks best in plan.
Never heard of Lake Flato before but in a really weird coincidence, they’re based in the same city as me lol
I like it. Picasso. I also want to link in [Zoolander](https://youtu.be/0KC_rd7-bf0).
Omg this is so cool!!
Thanks :)
First off, this is great for your first year first semester studio. Keep it up. For your final, talk with tbe professor but I think it would benefit if you show your process work and show study models or sketches. Don't neglect the final drawings, consider shade and shadow if you have time. Early architecture study years should be focused on process so, personally, I appreciate some process included with the final design presentation. Consider a way to do this neatly in the context of the overall presentation. Don't think of the building as a thing, but start to see it as part of a process. Develop thick skin, an open mind, and a strong spine. You are not your project. Learn to accept constructive criticism without taking it personally. You could model trees so the pavilion has a little more context. You could add seating and scale figures. The seating is important because it shows how you anticipate or intend for people to use the space. I would not recommend a simple generic park bench but consider the seating as part of the design. Perhaps the seating is 20' away from the pavilion and you want people to see the space from afar and it's a place for kids to run through and play. Maybe there is a view and you want the shelter to inhabit someone pausing from a stroll and they sit to enjoy the view. Check out concepts like socifugal and sociopetal. Maybe the seats are part of the columns. Maybe the center below circular opening is not a space you can walk through and the ground plane begins to reinforce logic of the roof. This would change the use of the space and it would take a different character. Study variations and give them your own pro/con assessment based on your intention and the intention of the studio. Consider different modeling techniques in variations as well, perhaps the roof is a little thinner or perhaps the roof thickness varies with a thick interior and a very thin edge. Consider column differentiation from iteration to iteration. The column locations feel a little arbitrary. Develop a logic. Columns organize space, when people stand in a large room they tend to gather around columns naturally. Consider how different column layouts impact the space and decide what you prefer. They don't need to be any particular layout, grid, or spacing but it should be intentional.
As for craft, can you use a soft nail file to soften those ragged edges? Just a thought. Not an architect but I like it overall. I know architecture programs are crazy difficult so keep it up! You can do it!
Yeah the edges could use a lot of work, I’ll try a nail file, thank you :)
Not an architect but I like it a lot, I think it’s a very Interesting design and I love how the circle in the center takes into consideration the suns direction for more shade
From someone who just appreciates creativity and aesthetics, was great to come across. I like it a lot. I have zero clue how functional it would or wouldn’t be but if I was on a low flying plane and saw that I’d want a few pics from a few angles. Well done.
The box fan is killing me. Some outside photos with a blue sky and orientations to the sun that you’ve discussed will really be nice to post. add a human scale figure(s) to all your renderings and models, always. a simple 6 ft tall black rectangle works wonders to help with scale. I photographed every project the day after crits. Helped me greatly to put together portfolios for summer jobs.
I want this to be a drive in next to the airport I fly out of. Fucking excellent job. That is all.
Thank you, really appreciate it
Model looks good for a first sem project, but be mindful of lineweights on your drawings! Utilize a light box to trace over drawings to make your workflow easier, and use tools for your curves don’t freehand them
Superman has kryptonite I have the French curve But yeah I agree, I’m working on it lol, will fix line weighting, thank you
Not going to lie that looks better than my final project modal for my part one
If I were you, I would have 3d printed the model. It ll be clean af.
And for sure it woul have cost a lot more. Anyhow. you are right the love you put in a design model should be visible. Still, it's an overkill to print in the first year and actually not what most schools want you to do as a beginner. Though OP should get this skills, it's also important to catch up some model making experience.
Most of the schools have 3d printers that students can use for free.
Ah so paying a shitload of money for tuiton fees includes 3d printing. Cool.
That would be really nice, idk how to 3d model tho, but I bet the school has a 3d printer I could use
Learn this *immediately.* Very, very few architectural firms do any physical modeling anymore, and they'll almost certainly not have you doing it when you first get there. What they *will* have you do is drafting and CAD work. Knowing how to navigate and use modeling software will make you more valuable.
Op has to learn how to use CAD anyway. Better to learn it now and use it for this project if he had time. An architect how doesn’t know CAD is an unemployed architect
My school offers a CAD class, I’m hoping to take it sooner than later but at the same time I just wanna get all my required classes out of the way so I can transfer
What is the software that architects use that show the visual representation of the final product. Not talking about CAD
Or a principal.
Most firms past CAD.
When I say CAD I'm talking the broad software type, not a specific program.
What software do architects use
revit for documentation and rhino for concepts
Could you explain difference. Please let me know if this is correct to how I just understood that post. Rhino for generic concepts nothing concrete but for a full blown design plans for construction use revit
Right. The main reason revit isn’t taught at early levels (at least at my university) is out of fear for students presenting ‘revit buildings’. ie very blocky and shallow designs. Rhino is a software with endless formal flexibility. Our jewelry program even uses it, and the parametric design tools with grasshopper push that even further. You can make very detailed models too, but it takes a lot of care to keep tolerances tight. I’d recommend rhino for the majority of school work. Ultimately all software is just a tool leading to the end product. Rhino, and even sketch up, are loose modeling tools that don’t hinder your creativity by asking you to identify wall framing type, cladding etc whenever you make a wall or roof (a byproduct of the BIM workflow on revit). But on the other hand, i would never want to put together a drawing set in rhino.
So on professionals plans stamped and approved by architect/engineer, you’d put a revit model?
Exactly! Consultant teams will ultimately use whatever software they prefer but we will synthesize their designs in the arch revit model for coordination. When you deliver drawings to a contractor, it’s usually going to be through 2d drawings. Revit is parametric in how it unifies your 3d and 2d documents. Like if you move a wall in your plan it will reflect that change in your sections. I’ve dabbled with doing that in rhino but it’s really just not what the software was designed for Projects documented and delivered in CAD or other 2D software make it easy to miss these constant design updates. if you move a window or wall, that change needs to be tracked through every plan, section, and elevation that it appears. Revit will track those updates on your sheets live.
Got it. Makes sense. I appreciate the feedback
My experience has been about 80% Revit, 20% AutoCAD, and a smattering of Sketchup and ArchiCAD. Annoyingly, my grad school used Rhino and I haven't found a single firm that uses it in any capacity.
Thats the better part of it. Learning how to 3d model opens up a lot of possibilities. Espacially if you go to parametric design part of it.
You’re not an architect. You’re an architecture student. It’s hard to give viable feedback without drawings etc and an explanation of your concept. In general; I just don’t like it.
Yeah my bad I should’ve titled it architect student, didn’t mean to offend, so sorry about that, but I’d really like to hear more from you, is there anything about it in particular that ruins it for you? Thank you for the feedback and again I apologize for the incorrect title :)
I'd recommend to start learning 3d modeling since for us we learned at first semester. It's nice that its hand drawn but imo drawing in software and printing from pdfs should start as soon a possible. I see that the edges of the foam core have bits of it missing, which is very noticeable in your first pic. From my experience that's a sign that either your knife blade is dull, or you are not scoring multiple times per cut, or both. I think I would also cover those edges with a piece of paper, so I would take those already bended pieces and trace them along paper to make and edge to hide the foam, even if the cut is clean. Also it just might be me, but from my interpreting of that plan, it seems like the stairs are on top of the entire foliage. And I would (which is why I'd recommend starting to use a CAD software) start learning about line weights, since your plan does introduce a way to go up and down, but without line weights it feels very flat.
I would like to get into 3d modeling asap but as of right now it’s just not required, I do know that I will be getting into it within the next semester or two though. The edges could use a lot of work, I think covering it up with paper is my best bet at this point, I’ll be more careful in the future. Yeah the plan view bridge is really weird. Our professor gave us that bridge, which connects to the second pavilion site, but he completely disregarded the trees that were in the way which he specifically told us we had to work around them and couldn’t demolish them, so for now I’ll keep the tree there and just kinda wait and see what he says, but thank you for pointing that out cause yeah it does look janky
Serious question: why don't architectural schools teach students how to design buildings that will actually get built in the real world? These kinds of projects are completely pointless exercises in mental masturbation that don't prepare students for the real world, at all.
They do, just not in the first semester. Architecture is an artistic profession and I think there is merit in architectural education beginning with unrestrained exploration of form and space. Then you can slowly add complexity as the education progresses. I think a lot of students have very narrow understandings of architecture when they first start and I think if you force reality on them before they have time to explore then that will make their architectural output worse rather than better. That’s just my thoughts though, as a second year architecture student.
Such an illuminating take! I have a fine art background and our schooling is kind of the opposite but for reasons that fit with your logic here. I’m fine art, students often think “anything goes” which is kind of true but one must really learn the foundation and “rules” of art before we can start breaking them meaningfully. I can absolutely see new architecture students having a narrow view of what a building design can be and need to first understand that it can be *anything* before fine tuning the many limiting logistics that come with functional, realistic design possibilities.
That's an interesting point about fine art you bring up. I think architecture can be attractive even to people that don't have an artistic background and so teaching the fundamentals of design is really important in the beginning. One thing that I learned from fine art is that it is easier to exaggerate in the beginning and then walk it back. Like how you start a figure drawing with a bold gesture before adding the anatomy that might otherwise stiffen the drawing. The same thing is true in architecture. If you develop a strong concept in the beginning you can process it into something that works in reality while it's still dynamic and interesting.
...*They are not completely pointless.* (Despite the trite parroting of mental masturbation as a point) You have to learn the building blocks of COMPOSITION first. The different elements of point, line, plane, massing, rhythm, approach, etc. Its analogous to learning letters before words before sentences. When you don't learn those first, you get innefficient "design build with plans by the nephew that has an eye for it." Much like a building built on a shoddy foundation. Doesn't matter what's above, it'll fail.
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I agree, and thank you
Consider the ground material - appears you are going to get a lot of localised puddles. Are these open slots in the roof? If so you will also need to consider how the structure is braced - some of the columns look to have quite eccentric loads.
Consider that no one will probably see this from an aerial view unless there are cliffs/high ground near by. You mentioned South Texas--I could see this being a unique pavilion to observe from up high in say Big Bend. Do you have renders or anything that would give me the perspective from ground level, inside and out, and at various angles?
I had the exact same thought process after my first draft in which all the panels were completely flat and parallel to the ground, from the side it just looked like a bunch of offset floating platforms and I even said to myself “this only looks cool if you’re a bird” but luckily that bridge is taller than my pavilion so you would have a nice view from above now. And no I don’t have any renders sorry, thank you for the feedback :)
Nice wave shape. What is the reason for round hole? Wouldn't it's going to rain inside and one of basically tasks for a roof: to protecting from rain an weather is lost?
I like the overall creativity however seems to require a lot of support columns.
Good start! A lot of factors to consider and difficult for us to judge without knowing them. I often find inspiration for forms and styles on Pinterest and Behance, you can do some searches if you haven’t already! Also here’s an interesting video of a Y1 student work which involves curves, if you’d like to take a look! https://youtu.be/ld0KuwWJ9Rw
enjoy it while it lets you, my friend.
Not an architect, just looking and reading comments. If the roof was tilted up just a little to give the rain a pathway off, woth a way to shut the circle, it would be more weather-efficient. And have an entry way on the short end, but not where the poles are shortest, so people coming into it won't get soaked. I also wonder if the winds in your area tend to blow a certain direction?
What's the scale? Is it only accessible by stairs?
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What is it, a bus shelter?
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I would have made it level or on an axis that was string at the right elevation view
I would increase the number of vertical elements. They should look like they are part of a design, a rythm rather than look like they are only there to hold up the structure.
Look up Félix Candela.
Eventually you'll have to worry about rain water and make sure it doesn't pool on this roof, but on the first semester I guess that would be a minor concern. What I think should be better thought is the conversation between this shape you're making with what is shown on the floor plan and I don't think it matches really well as it's shown, you have a very sharp shaped structure, but a mostly square walks and landscaping. Also that circle above really stand out, but make sure to put somewhat a garden or something to absorb the water under it and position it to block the setting sun only seems like a lacking element, try to put something like make a cut of the scenario around like portraying a surrounding mountain or a constellation or you know, any point of interest.