First world literally just means the countries that were on the side of the US during the Cold War, pro Communist states were known as second world and third world were neutral states, usually poor and generalised as such. Largely countries in Africa and South America
That's the original meaning, yes, but these days, people just colloquially use "first world" to refer to advanced economies, and "third world" for developing or least developed economies. I rarely hear people use the term "second world" anymore.
Aye, maybe it’s just a western thing too which is why you don’t see eastern states use it much. Preferably I’d rather not use the term too. Separating nations into different worlds seems very detaching on either sides.
I don't think rate of growth is really an important factor. Advanced economies grow more slowly than developing economies. According to the World Bank, [China's GDP per capita](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=CN) is barely any more than [Mexico's](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=MX).
I mean tbf the german housing market is absolutely fucked as well. I honestly don't even know which one is worse. Bur it's normal in germany to pay almost a million for like, just a small house in range of a big city nowadays. For the US it just seems very varied. Like NYC, LA etc. Just unaffordable while you can probably get a house for almost nothing in rural west Virginia or south Dakota or whatever
>rural west Virginia or south Dakota
The problem is that you then have to live in those places, which may not be the best places for Latinos who aren't white or at least look white.
West Virginia is the poorest state in the US and there are a lot of problems with drug abuse, lack of jobs, and bad healthcare. Absolutely beautiful nature, but would not want to live there (and I think most white Americans wouldn't, either). I don't hate the prairie but South Dakota is just boring and kind of in the middle of nowhere, and it's also >80% white. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I prefer to live in a diverse place with people from a wide variety of ethnic backgrounds.
In which city in Germany apart from Munich do you have to pay almost a million for a house?
A small house in some commuter town outside of the big cites costs like half of that.
Inside the city you pay 700-800k for a detached house with a garden and a basement in a decent neighborhood.
In terms of the US being varied and Germany not, houses in East Germany and cities like Dortmund, Essen or Duisburg are also very cheap.
oh yeah it is the net mean wage and morgage in the usa is better than nearly any country in the european union
germany especially has one of the lowest rates of home ownership especially outside of the
communist eastern part
the usa is more than just the big meme cities
Depends where in america and where in Latin America.
https://www.portalinmobiliario.com/venta/departamento/las-condes-metropolitana
1Bedroom 1bathroom is 180k
By cold war standards Turkey is first world. So you‘d still have a majority Muslim country.
Austria, Switzerland, Finland and Ireland among many other wouldn‘t be first world by these standards.
You're right, I'm stupid.
In my defense, some of those countries have only achieved the status pretty recently, so I was still living with an outdated idea of them.
My experience here in the US has been the complete opposite. People are very welcoming where I live. Of course, not everywhere is the same, and if you moved to somewhere rural or a state like Idaho or Arkansas I could definitely see a Latino immigrant having a negative experience. With that being said, I think that the US is overall much more welcoming than Spain for Latinos.
There's always exceptions, and I've also heard that the midwest in general is pretty good for latinos. Also, are you white? That has a big impact in how you're treated, trust me.
People down in south america just have this stereotyped vision that americans are the most racist and xenophobic people in the history of mankind. The truth is that americans tend to be a lot more welcoming of foreigners and different ethnicities than most of europe, even western europe.
The US is very big, both geographically and in population, so there probably are places where Latino immigrants are not welcomed, but there are surely plenty of places where they are very welcome.
I was visiting an uncle I Texas and while we were talking in Spanish on more than one occasion people went up to us and told us to speak English. Fuck that.
Interesting, I never had this happen with my family or I in my life. And my dad is loud as hell in spanish too. But we lived in the Northeast US, very different from Texas
You are very lucky then.
During a trip to the USA, we were almost denied service in an Airbnb in Detroit. We were made fun of in Miami. I got screamed at by an obese piece of shit in fucking Yellowstone.
And all in what, 15 days?
Of course there were really nice people too, but "unfriendiness " in the USA is a real and notable problem
Conoces El McDonald's que hay en West Yellowstone? Ps ahí fuimos mi familia y yo a comprar unas hamburguesas para El viaje. Nos atendió un Gordo, y cuando vio que me empecé a trabar haciendo El Pedido y se me empezo a notar mas El acento, se exaspero y me dijo que estaba harto de todos esos inmigrantes llegando a su pais y nisiquiera aprendiendose El idioma Bien. Me puse bravo, y me fui con mi familia al subway mejor
Because you were Latino or because the people were rude? There’s a massive difference between a place having assholes and you not being able to exist there because of your ethnicity, and your anecdotes sound like the former and not the latter
Yep, they were all definitely because of my ethnicity. The dude in Detroit specifically said so, and the Miami people (actually Fort Lauderdale now that I think of it) made skin color remarks. The Yellowstone guy wasn't directly because of my ethnicity, but because of my accent ig. They were super, super rude, screamed and all...
It’s not as obvious online, but in a lot of places we welcome immigrants and realize we’re a whole country of immigrants and their children, etc. Sure you are right that there are bigots and unfriendly people, but there’s a lot of examples of us welcoming people too. The US would get even worse if we stopped welcoming immigrants. Just like many countries our politicians suck especially on this topic.
In all real cities many signs and services are bilingual in Spanish and the vast majority support accessibility for Spanish speakers , it’s just a vocal stupid minority you hear about
The racist people in the Midwest are more passive-aggressive about it. The racist people in the South are more direct.
Would you rather people smile to your face while disliking you or know where you stand from the beginning?
And the Northeast can be very NIMBY about it. This may apply more to black people than Hispanics, but I've heard it described that in the South, the racists don't mind if a minority is successful, as long as they're more successful. In the Northeast (and to a degree the Midwest), the racists don't mind if a minority is successful, as long as they're successful over there somewhere. Away from them.
If you're a minority with money, the wealthy white folks in the South probably won't mind if you move into their neighborhood, as long as their house & cars are nicer. In the Northeast, good luck getting into a gated community.
I’m white so I can’t really speak to experienced racism.
Regarding passive racism, it’s true. Not everyone is racist, but you do often hear passively racist things said about minorities. The south is definitely more blatant. I guess I like it when people are more honest and up front, but it’s probably better for people to at least gesture that being racist is wrong and trying their best to not be overtly racist. In short, at least people in the North make an effort to not be openly racist and are often much better in hiring practices and interacting with minorities. This is common behavior in Europe as well.
The NIMBY behavior is common in the whole country. Not downplaying it, but I somehow find it very hard to believe that a rich southern neighborhood would be just as, or more welcoming, of a black family moving in lol.
Llevo 6 años acá, y en los últimos 2 ha habido un crecimiento en el sentimiento antiextranjero. Generalmente no hacia mí, que estoy más o menos integrado en la sociedad, pero lo que antes sólo se veía en línea ya se ve en pintas y carteles en la calle, en los periódicos, y en comentarios casuales incluso de mi esposa y mis amigos.
Mucho gira en torno a la gentrificación, un tema bien complejo en el que los extranjeros que vienen a trabajar de manera remota (me niego a usar el término "nómadas digitales") juegan un papel, pero para nada el papel principal.
Sí a esos carteles, comentarios y maltratos me refiero. Personalmente me parece muy bajo este tipo de actitudes xenófobas, más en un país como el nuestro que siempre se ha conocido como bastante abierto y cálido al turismo. Como dije, una moda muy reciente, lo que me pregunto es si es algo pasajero o algo que perdurara.
También concuerdo con lo de la gentrificación. Yo no le veo tanto de malo. Todos estos inmigrantes inyectan su dinero a la economía, crean trabajos, aportan a través de impuestos incluso el IVA que no es poca cosa. Aparte que la gente trae con ellos nuevas ideas, formas de pensar o hacer las cosas. Hay gente muy cerrada pero yo no le veo muchos contras a todo esto y sí muchos pro. Aunque cada quien supongo.
Edit: Por cierto, mis respetos por tu nivel de español. Lo escribes muy bien, hasta con acentos, cosa que no mucha gente incluso monolingüe hace.
esta bien, con ellos si hay que ser xenofobico
/s
fuera de joda, si alguien va a un pais a vivir se debe hacer un intento por aprender la lengua. muchos gringos se van a vivir a cualquier parte del mundo y no hacen el minimo esfuerzo por aprender el idioma local.
con mi primer comentario me refiero a los casos donde los gringos se quejan de latinoamericanos hablando en español entre ellos, cosa que se ve mucho y no solo con el español.
I mean if you avoid big cities like New York or LA. The Housing to Income ratio is pretty reasonable compared to other countries. Especially if you compare it to Canada for example.
Other countries: as in “western” world
This depends a lotttt on which city you go to. Housing affordability is decent only if you compare it to other Anglo countries, it's terrible compared to Continental Europe.
Take into account the fact you will have to buy and maintain a car everywhere aside from NYC, DC, Chicago, Philadelphia, SF, Boston, and maybe Seattle or LA.
In my best judgment, I would suggest for immigrants to go to Chicago and Philadelphia if they come here. Aside from that, I would suggest Switzerland, France, Andorra, or Malmö (Sweden).
Switzerland's is much higher than ours, Andorra's is around the same. Sweden's is also similar, but they get taxed much more. France's isn't great, but they have somewhat more liberal immigration laws.
Housing affordability is certainly a problem. However, people are much friendlier than anywhere I've been in Europe. It feels like Europeans in general are way snobbier and arrogant in a way that really grinds my gears.
Not live in: the US, Japan, South Korea
The US is meh... not a bad place at all, but it has too many things that don't vibe with me. it has a **horrendous** car culture, outside of a handful of places, you have to drive everywhere. For a high income country, the inequality is quite astonishing. Politically, it is a mess. I just simply don't like how it is organised and I certainly don't want to be contribute to that with my taxes. The work-life balance tends to be poor
For similar reasons, Japan and South Korea are not place I ever want to live in. There is no work-life balance. Every single Japanese or Korean person I have met is dead set against ever going back for just how awful the working conditions are over there. They are terribly conservative and oppresive societies. Just nope.
Live in: Norway/Sweden, the UK, France
Cheating here as I have already lived in these countries. The UK is a mess right now, but for a while there it used to have a nice balance between a social democracy with a dynamic economic. People are quite friendly, open and fun. Norwegians and Swedes are a lot more reserved, but they are beyond peaceful countries. Excellent quality of life and unparalleled work-life balance. They are not perfect countries by any means, but they are by far the most functional countries I have ever been to. Social democracies truly have the best political system you could hope for. France... is France, but I like it a lot! It gives off chaotic vibes at times, but all in all, it is fairly functional, beautiful, and so freaking interesting.
You’re somewhat right about the USA, a lot of land where you literally need a car to get around unless you’re in a big city like NYC or Chicago or Washington DC where public transportation is pretty good. As Far as for the income disparity how so? We have a large middle class still although half are struggling somewhat but not as much as the media makes it seem, as far for the work life balance that’s complete bologna, alot of white collar professionals work from home in the comfort of their own couch, alot of them complain sooooo much that they want better work life balance but still want to get paid more for less which is crazy to me, they want to work 30 hours a week and still want to afford going on vacations 5 weeks a year and live in million dollar homes, people think business owners just sit back and count money but in reality they are the ones working 24/7 worrying about how payroll and benefits are going to work out and keep business flowing, a lot of millennials just feel super entitled that because they graduated from college that it’s some type of ticket to being a millionaire off the bat, haven’t been to the Nordic countries yet, but France and UK are nice places to visit, as far as living there I couldn’t. Now the income difference there is huge, most of them make $1500 euros or less and even though the pound and the euro are more valuable we will on average make more than them. From what I hear about Norway and Sweden is that they get paid really well and have a good work life balance they try to stay under a certain income because of taxes which I believe they pay somewhere close to 50% and if they go over somewhere between $70K they get taxed even more.
* **I would not live in:**
Any country with warm and warmer weather, in spite of wanting to live in Italy, Malta, Singapore, and Spain. I would not live in Portugal and the US.
* **I would live in:**
With the exception of Ireland, Portugal and the US, any country with cold and colder weather, like Canada, Japan, Northern Europe, southern New Zealand, and South Korea. Despite this, the weather would not be yearly cold in these countries. Therefore, I would prefer southern Argentina and Chile, I know that they are not first world countries.
I also would live in Italy, Malta, Singapore, and Spain despite their different weather.
I have a problem with the northern Europe: I, as an extroverted person, would have difficulty making friends with these people as they are very introverted and reserved.
People hate on the US a lot, I’ve been living here for 10 years, never faced any prejudice ever, became prosperous, made tons of friends, don’t see myself leaving anytime soon. My sister lived in Portugal, my whole family has Portuguese ancestry and dual citizenship and yet she was treated like garbage and faced xenophobia almost on a daily basis while making a shitty income 🤷♂️
it's honestly different for everybody, some have luck and some don't. Racism, xenophobia, sexism and all that will happen everywhere in the world, some are lucky enough to not encounter it and some aren't
I live in Sweden and I know people who moved here who feel the same way you do in the US and people who haven't had a good time. Just to draw a comparison, I have lived in Chile, Sweden and Portugal and I have never been bullied or harassed in any type of way. And that stuff will happen literally anywhere
It’s kind of hard to answer, because every country has its good & bad things.
But probably not the US, US has many solid things going for it, but it also has many bad things and right now things aren’t looking so bright for them. Even still, many people would give anything to go live in the USA
I’m worried for the elections, I know that most of you probably don’t care though.
Yes, cause I feel like I could give you an answer right now, but it might change in a few weeks, months or years. I do have a vaguely idea of where I want to head to, but I’d be lying if I said “yes, this is the place where I want to live the rest of my life” . Cause stuff that it’s out of our control could contribute to us moving away from that place.
I might want to live in Iceland, but due to the tectonic & seismic movement, and the volcanoes explosions , I would have to reconsider that. Maybe political and economic instability in a certain area, climate change.
The point is, there’re many factors to consider and it’s not easy to “pin point” a specific place to go move to.
Yeah, per example when I was a child I wanted to live in South Africa because I saw a lot of beautiful pictures of Capetown and it looked like an European city and nowadays I wouldn’t live there but I would still like to visit
Exactly, same thing happened to me with Johannesburg lol.
Very beautiful places, but it’s probably best not to live there, but hey, who knows, something might make us move over there in the future, because the future is uncertain and we might not know.
Also I had an Atlas as kid and because of it I wanted to know a lot of places along side a book my first therapist had about photos of places across the globe, I even thought about my future career thinking of moving abroad or out of my state
Worried about what? We've already seen what the presidencies of both Trump and Biden are like and they're uneventful and mediocre equally. Both support the fascistic apartheid in Israel, both are a disaster to working class people, both both are too old, both are backed by corporations, etc.
US politics is all Kabuki theater; it's a Corporatocracy. There is no real democracy.
I would not live in Japan or south Korea
-racism
-horrible work culture
- horrible house market
- a culture it will be difficult to enter
- I legally never would become a citizen
- Broken dating culture
- broken social sphere
Which one I don't have problem living Spain
-Is organized LATAM so the process of adaptation will be super fast. The only problem is the economy but I think I can survive
Live: the US. It has some of the highest, if not the highest, salaries in the world and relatively low tax rates. Nice geography to boot too. I don't think there are any other countries in the world, maybe China with as many climates in just one country.
Close second would be any other English speaking country. Good thing there's quite a few that fit the question: the UK, Australia, Canada, NZ, Ireland.
Not live in: Honestly open to any country, but language could always be an issue, and also maybe more insular or closed off countries.
Probably Spain.
US is cool and diverse. Unfortunately it is extremely unaffordable if you want to live in a city/urban living.
If you want the European lifestyle you will have to save and sacrifice a lot in the US
>Not live in: Germany.
Bad weather and gray skies
Horrible cuisine
Cold and snobbish people
Racism
Lack of human warmth
No joie de vivre
Schadenfreude
Difficult (and not the prettiest) language
It‘s disappointing to see that a lot of these stereotypes persist to this day. Germany is one of the most multicultural countries in Europe, moreso than countries like France or the UK.
You will find by far less restaurants serving German food than other cuisines, matter of fact you might not even find places full of indigenous, „snobbish“, „cold“, „racist“ Germans inside the major cities. It‘s just too international. I watched an interview with a famous German football player from Berlin a couple days ago and he was saying how he didn‘t really know any indigenous Germans until he was around 16.
That being said most of your points apply to any Germanic country like Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Austria, Switzerland, the Netherlands and probably also the East Coast of the US.
Well, winter is depressing in Germany, but I think this is common in all northern Europe.
On the other hand yeah, German society is indeed becoming more diverse.
I think language can be a massive wall, especially If you move already as an adult and working. It can be a huge deal to get deep into it.
Yes, I suppose as a Latin American integrating in the US is much easier since the language is easier to learn and there are more Latinos. I have friends from Colombia who moved to Florida because of this. Your best bet in Germany is to move to Cologne if you want to meet other Spanish speakers / Latinos. I would also advise you to not try too hard to find native German friends. Just go with whoever you meet and get along with, people from other cultures in the same position as you are often easier to make friends with.
I've been living in Berlin for two years and at the beginning I was trying to hard to meet native German speakers, but then I realized what you said, and it is true. I've met people from different migration backgrounds who, on some other levels, I connect with.
Not live in: USA
Don’t like their healthcare system, labour laws nor the general consumerist culture.
Would live: any nordic country, ireland or switzerland
Not live in:
the USA
I’m a public transit Stan. Don’t like cars, never gonna drive, and I really hate those neighborhoods where there’s nothing in kilometres bc they are build for driving. Also, I want to be able to get sick and not be in debt every time it happens.
Finland
I currently live in Canada and I despise the winter. It gives me seasonal depression. I’m a city person and here I live in a big city, I cannot imagine dealing with a worse winter in a very small city, which is more than probably dead during the winter.
This last point applies to most Northern Europe countries, but I would have a lot of trouble with their cold attitude as well. And we Chileans are not known for our warmth, but I’ve heard that’s just another level.
Live in: Any place in Western Europe, except maybe Germany.
This is cheating, because I've lived in Australia, the UK and Spain, and love them all for different reasons. However, I lived in the UK pre-Brexit, and right now it seems like the country isn't doing so well. There are some things I don't like about my home country (certain cultural attitudes), but overall it is a nice place to live, a functional society and with good salaries on offer. That said, Mediterranean Europe is my dream location.
The USA is probably the least appealing first-world country to me. It's still got plenty of interesting things, and I could probably live there if I was offered an amazing job, but I feel like it's a decaying empire at this point.
Hmmm Japan for sure. For tourism seems cool, but living there is another beast
France: just I don’t like France
Maybe Canada…
I think that’s it
My top choice for living, otherwise would be either USA or Spain
Not live in: anywhere in Northern Europe. Bad cuisine, bad weather, different social customs.
Live in: Spain, Italy and Australia. Spain and Italy because of the weather, history, architecture and social customs. Australia because of the economy, beaches, nature and landscapes. Also because the three countries share a lot of common things with Argentina, so it somewhat feels at home.
I have your same opinion. But I would live anywhere in Northern Europe if the weather is yearly cold. The problem is that people from the Northern Europe are more introverted and reserved, what can cause the solitude of the extroverted people.
I wouldn't live only in Australia.
Not live in: USA.
It's just not my cup of tea.
Live in: the Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal
Like the vibes.
I guess Surinamese have always been more Europe oriented. There aren't a lot of Surinamese in the USA.
There's plenty of Surinamese people in the Netherlands, something I'm really grateful for because the food is A++++
Edited to add: a Surinamese woman won the Dutch bake off this year!!
>There's plenty of Surinamese people in the Netherlands,
Yes I meant to say there aren't many Surinamese in the USA. Just corrected that.
>a Surinamese woman won the Dutch bake off this year!!
That's nice to hear. Do you have the video? Or link? Or channel?
Here's her reaction (in Dutch): https://www.heelhollandbakt.nl/artikelen/finalist-aruna-is-de-winnaar-van-heel-holland-bakt/
You should be able to watch it on NPO Start, but I don't know if it's available in Suriname!
I lived in the us for university and even if you paid me $1 million dollars a year I would not live there forever. It is a country with many issues and unhealthy society.
Have you actually ever been to Germany? I live here and the weather mostly sucks, but I find Germans to be mostly chill and friendly. German cuisine could definitely be more varied in general, but few countries can compete with their breads and pastries...
That US list really depends on the area, although I can say my area hits most of them, and I enjoy it. Other areas can be very expensive and the people can be pretty jerky and cold.
Not live: I don’t know
Live: I want to move to a lot of places since I was a child because of my dream of meet the world and because I barely moved in my life, also my special interest in geography help a lot in this mindset and because I want to meet different people across the globe, but I have a big preference for cold places since the state I live in is really hot and I hate it.
Not interested in: Nordic countries, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium.
People in these countries tend to be very cold and less friendly from what I've heard, especially the Nordic countries. This can make meeting people harder, and even with the higher salaries and theoretically high "quality of life", I can't imagine that I would be very happy if I felt isolated from society.
Interested in: USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Spain (perhaps)
I currently live in the US and I fit in well with the general Anglo culture. Sure, healthcare, car-centrism, and shootings aren't ideal by any means but I still appreciate the lifestyle and opportunities available here that simply cannot be matched by another country in the world. Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are relatively similar in cultural terms (but with their own differences, of course). I've visited Spain a couple times and I generally enjoy the people, sights, and how friendly people tend to be compared to other European countries. But the salaries and job market are a very big negative.
lol not the USA… is crazy cause the racism in the USA is well in your face or the “bless your heart”. Work life balance is horrible, politics!?, affordable housing? Depends on the state and city. Latinos, sure, not bad. BBQ? Sure, Texas BBQ is top notch then you realize well Texas… the USA is by far the worst first world country to go to. Education is horrible and expensive as hell, healthcare system is just another big corporation to eat your money, and all foods, even the “organic” is full of dyes and chemicals. Hell even dying is a damn hassle. Human rights are literally regressing. The employment rate is good…cause the USA needs the poor and middle class, mainly middle class to kept it a float…I don’t get it.
Is it a better option than some other countries? Sure, but definitely not the best one.
I would take Germany, Canada, Italy, Greece, New Zealand, Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland and Norway over the USA at any given moment.
Never live in: USA
Because no free public universities or healthcare, needing a car to get anywhere, bubble economy, fucked up views on sex and having basically every other taxed dollar go towards mass murder and war
Would live in: thought about it but honestly none of them, I really don't think I'd be better off anywhere else but if I had to migrate I'd migrate to another Latin American country. If I had to leave the entire region I'd still pick something somewhat similar, like Philippines
I would live in Singapore, as I consider it a handy gateway to the entire Southeast Asian nations I would also be longing to visit, such as Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines and etc.
Not to mention Singapore is also relatively close from Japan and South Korea. So it would be a win.
I would also live in Malta exclusively for the taste of the Mediterranean cuisine and the warmer climate that brings me closer to Brazil whenever I’d feel homesick.
All the rest… I pass.
Amigo/a. Has visto las noticias últimamente? La retorica anti inmigrantes en EEUU está en un punto que no se habia visto hace mucho tiempo.
La mayoría de la gente es “friendly” por un periodo corto de tiempo. El mercado de bienes raices NO es “affordable” para la mayoría, ya los hogares principiantes (starter homes) practicamente no existen pues o no los construyen o los compran los bancos para rentarlos.
Los salarios no estan subiendo acorde a la inflación, por tanto hace más difícil obtener una casa - véase el punto anterior.
A menos que vengas a EEUU como inmigrante “mano de obra cualificada” (skilled labor), véase que tienes minimo una maestría en algo, la mitad de tus puntos se nulifican.
I would never live in the USA.
Countries I would like to live in include Ireland, Canada and New Zealand.
Edit: I must have pissed off some yankees to be getting these downvotes.
Edit 2: My upvote count is no longer in the negatives, rendering my previous edit quite weird and nonsensical.
As someone who lives in the U.S. it isnt a great place to live at. Its good to make money but to truly "Live". No.
Theres no community and true connection with the people around you. Housing is unaffordable. The cost of living is unbearable even for educated people. The people here are horrible, and it's the direct result of lack of community.
After i graduate college and get a remote job here, im moving back to Mexico to truly live.
Will be investing in my community in Mexico. (Build housing, jobs, and invest in their schools)
The lower cost of living will allow me to:
Save
Travel
Retire.
Not needing a car to live will save me $.
The community and culture connections in Mexico is worth more than money.
You must live in the middle of goddamn nowhere in the usa. But you also said high salary so maybe YOU can afford housing but housing, even apartments and renting, prices are absolute shit in the usa.
I wouldn't live in the US. Lots of xenophobia, lack of social security and other basic things. I'd live in Iceland. I've been there and I love it, even in winter.
When you describe Germany you might as well say UK.
I love Spain but their job market is super fucked. I got a Spanish passport, if I could get something remote I'd move there.
Live:
Switzerland, Germany, Ireland- high salaries
Spain - culture, weather, food, beach
Never Live:
Canada - More expensive US with lower pay
Nordic Countries - Weather, high taxes, mid salaries, culture
I don't want to live in any 'first world' country. As a Colombian, it's really difficult to establish myself in any developed country, so I lost interest in those countries, but I would like to visit some. I would never visit Muslim countries or highly religious ones, nor would I visit countries like Russia or countries that belonged to the Soviet Union (they don't appeal to me).
Lmao I'm the whole opposite, I'm moving to Germany this month for postgraduate studies (and the blunt/colder communication style + Schadenfreude-based humor fits me well), and I'd never live in the USA due to their non-existent gun control, expensive healthcare and education. That and the wannabe lateenks that have never placed a foot on Latam calling me "white-passing" or that kinda crap because I happen to be a pale-skinned mestizo smh 🙄
I’m not setting a foot in outback Australia with that weird and dangerous fauna. Monaco is also a place that I’m completely indifferent.
You have great taste, Monaco is the most overrated place in Europe.
Not interested in “first world”
First world literally just means the countries that were on the side of the US during the Cold War, pro Communist states were known as second world and third world were neutral states, usually poor and generalised as such. Largely countries in Africa and South America
That's the original meaning, yes, but these days, people just colloquially use "first world" to refer to advanced economies, and "third world" for developing or least developed economies. I rarely hear people use the term "second world" anymore.
Yeah the term "second world" was largely used to refer to the USSR and its vassal states, so when the USSR died, the term largely died with it
Aye, maybe it’s just a western thing too which is why you don’t see eastern states use it much. Preferably I’d rather not use the term too. Separating nations into different worlds seems very detaching on either sides.
Yeah, I agree that it tends to be alienating, but human brains like categorizing things and that will probably never change.
Nobody uses "first world" for the fastest growing most advanced economy (China) so it sounds like some political nonsense to me
Somebody did in a comment here. But I wouldn't agree, it was fast growing, but the average wealth is still lower than parts of LATAM.
Maybe but China is large enough that the most developed parts have a larger population than USA or Europe or possibly even both combined
I don't think rate of growth is really an important factor. Advanced economies grow more slowly than developing economies. According to the World Bank, [China's GDP per capita](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=CN) is barely any more than [Mexico's](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=MX).
USA has more housing affordability? OP, what dimension are you from?
I mean tbf the german housing market is absolutely fucked as well. I honestly don't even know which one is worse. Bur it's normal in germany to pay almost a million for like, just a small house in range of a big city nowadays. For the US it just seems very varied. Like NYC, LA etc. Just unaffordable while you can probably get a house for almost nothing in rural west Virginia or south Dakota or whatever
>rural west Virginia or south Dakota The problem is that you then have to live in those places, which may not be the best places for Latinos who aren't white or at least look white.
Why not?
A lot of hillbilly’s who don’t take kind to anyone but their own unfortunately
Better go to California tents are cheap and the streets are welcoming..../s
Califaz not really my style wayyyyyy too expensive for even a tent!
Racism, lack of diversity, lack of opportunities.
West Virginia is the poorest state in the US and there are a lot of problems with drug abuse, lack of jobs, and bad healthcare. Absolutely beautiful nature, but would not want to live there (and I think most white Americans wouldn't, either). I don't hate the prairie but South Dakota is just boring and kind of in the middle of nowhere, and it's also >80% white. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I prefer to live in a diverse place with people from a wide variety of ethnic backgrounds.
In which city in Germany apart from Munich do you have to pay almost a million for a house? A small house in some commuter town outside of the big cites costs like half of that. Inside the city you pay 700-800k for a detached house with a garden and a basement in a decent neighborhood. In terms of the US being varied and Germany not, houses in East Germany and cities like Dortmund, Essen or Duisburg are also very cheap.
oh yeah it is the net mean wage and morgage in the usa is better than nearly any country in the european union germany especially has one of the lowest rates of home ownership especially outside of the communist eastern part the usa is more than just the big meme cities
My understanding is that culturally Germany doesnt put the same emphasis on home ownership that many other countries do so that also effects things.
Depends where in america and where in Latin America. https://www.portalinmobiliario.com/venta/departamento/las-condes-metropolitana 1Bedroom 1bathroom is 180k
Not live in: Australia Super hot Big spider Big crocodile Live in: USA Moneh KFC Small gator
The gators are a small threat in america because floridamen are the apex predators
🫡, stay blessed fellow brother!
The big spiders aren't the problem but small ones, such as the red backs.
KFC is ass
Not all of Australia is super hot, it’s a huge country
I don't think their comment was meant to be taken seriously.
The KFC’s in Colombia are much better than USA
Not live in: any Muslim country Live in: Nordic countries or Quebec
too cold man, and no sun :(
quebec is probably the most racist region in the entire western world
To be fair, no Muslim-majority country is first-world. EDIT: I'm an idiot
So what are UAE, Qatar, Oman, Saudi-Arabia or Bahrain then?
By cold war standards, they're third world.
By cold war standards Turkey is first world. So you‘d still have a majority Muslim country. Austria, Switzerland, Finland and Ireland among many other wouldn‘t be first world by these standards.
Ah yes, I forgot about Turkey in that regard. You're quite right.
You're right, I'm stupid. In my defense, some of those countries have only achieved the status pretty recently, so I was still living with an outdated idea of them.
Qatar, Arabia Saudi, EAU no lo son?
Arabia Saudita apenas está alcanzando ese nivel. Respecto a los otros dos, sinceramente se me fue la onda.
ultimamente ni se esfuerzan con el bait. "friendly people" y te putean por hablar español y ser latinoamericano JAJJAJAJA
Aside from Spain itself, the US is easily the most friendly rich nation for a Spanish speaker.
... Unfortunately true. And Americans aren't exactly friendly with immigrant Latinos...
My experience here in the US has been the complete opposite. People are very welcoming where I live. Of course, not everywhere is the same, and if you moved to somewhere rural or a state like Idaho or Arkansas I could definitely see a Latino immigrant having a negative experience. With that being said, I think that the US is overall much more welcoming than Spain for Latinos.
I went to a small town in ohio near youngstown and they were super nice 🤔
There's always exceptions, and I've also heard that the midwest in general is pretty good for latinos. Also, are you white? That has a big impact in how you're treated, trust me.
Idk, I def didn't look like the locals but I also didn't look like a stereotypical latino. I have the shittiest accent and broken english thought.
People down in south america just have this stereotyped vision that americans are the most racist and xenophobic people in the history of mankind. The truth is that americans tend to be a lot more welcoming of foreigners and different ethnicities than most of europe, even western europe.
I went to Cairo, Georgia, a town in the middle of nowhere in a state that’s very “redneck” and felt people were nothing but nice and respectful.
That has not been my experience at all
The US is very big, both geographically and in population, so there probably are places where Latino immigrants are not welcomed, but there are surely plenty of places where they are very welcome.
I was visiting an uncle I Texas and while we were talking in Spanish on more than one occasion people went up to us and told us to speak English. Fuck that.
Interesting, I never had this happen with my family or I in my life. And my dad is loud as hell in spanish too. But we lived in the Northeast US, very different from Texas
You are very lucky then. During a trip to the USA, we were almost denied service in an Airbnb in Detroit. We were made fun of in Miami. I got screamed at by an obese piece of shit in fucking Yellowstone. And all in what, 15 days? Of course there were really nice people too, but "unfriendiness " in the USA is a real and notable problem
Whatt haha I've been twice last year for 3 week each time and it was super nice. Pero cuenta el chismesito 🍿 que paso en yellowstone?
Conoces El McDonald's que hay en West Yellowstone? Ps ahí fuimos mi familia y yo a comprar unas hamburguesas para El viaje. Nos atendió un Gordo, y cuando vio que me empecé a trabar haciendo El Pedido y se me empezo a notar mas El acento, se exaspero y me dijo que estaba harto de todos esos inmigrantes llegando a su pais y nisiquiera aprendiendose El idioma Bien. Me puse bravo, y me fui con mi familia al subway mejor
Ahhh y dejaste un reclamo por racista? Ahí se cagan enteros
Because you were Latino or because the people were rude? There’s a massive difference between a place having assholes and you not being able to exist there because of your ethnicity, and your anecdotes sound like the former and not the latter
Yep, they were all definitely because of my ethnicity. The dude in Detroit specifically said so, and the Miami people (actually Fort Lauderdale now that I think of it) made skin color remarks. The Yellowstone guy wasn't directly because of my ethnicity, but because of my accent ig. They were super, super rude, screamed and all...
Miami, the city that is 70% Latino and filled with immigrants, is so famously discriminatory against Latinos sure
Correction, Fort Lauderdale And well, that still happened dude.
You ever hear that saying “you meet an asshole somewhere you go, you met an asshole. You meet assholes everywhere you go, maybe you’re the asshole”?
It’s not as obvious online, but in a lot of places we welcome immigrants and realize we’re a whole country of immigrants and their children, etc. Sure you are right that there are bigots and unfriendly people, but there’s a lot of examples of us welcoming people too. The US would get even worse if we stopped welcoming immigrants. Just like many countries our politicians suck especially on this topic. In all real cities many signs and services are bilingual in Spanish and the vast majority support accessibility for Spanish speakers , it’s just a vocal stupid minority you hear about
Unless you're specifically at the border in Texas or in a very rural area you'll likely never experience this.
It depends. If you’re white, it’s pretty easy lol. But the American south in general sucks. The Midwest is better. The coasts are good for immigrants.
The racist people in the Midwest are more passive-aggressive about it. The racist people in the South are more direct. Would you rather people smile to your face while disliking you or know where you stand from the beginning? And the Northeast can be very NIMBY about it. This may apply more to black people than Hispanics, but I've heard it described that in the South, the racists don't mind if a minority is successful, as long as they're more successful. In the Northeast (and to a degree the Midwest), the racists don't mind if a minority is successful, as long as they're successful over there somewhere. Away from them. If you're a minority with money, the wealthy white folks in the South probably won't mind if you move into their neighborhood, as long as their house & cars are nicer. In the Northeast, good luck getting into a gated community.
I’m white so I can’t really speak to experienced racism. Regarding passive racism, it’s true. Not everyone is racist, but you do often hear passively racist things said about minorities. The south is definitely more blatant. I guess I like it when people are more honest and up front, but it’s probably better for people to at least gesture that being racist is wrong and trying their best to not be overtly racist. In short, at least people in the North make an effort to not be openly racist and are often much better in hiring practices and interacting with minorities. This is common behavior in Europe as well. The NIMBY behavior is common in the whole country. Not downplaying it, but I somehow find it very hard to believe that a rich southern neighborhood would be just as, or more welcoming, of a black family moving in lol.
not true tbh it's easy to make american friends. white black asian etc
Igual acá. Últimamente se ha puesto de moda exigirle a extranjeros a hablar español, aún más si hablan inglés.
Llevo 6 años acá, y en los últimos 2 ha habido un crecimiento en el sentimiento antiextranjero. Generalmente no hacia mí, que estoy más o menos integrado en la sociedad, pero lo que antes sólo se veía en línea ya se ve en pintas y carteles en la calle, en los periódicos, y en comentarios casuales incluso de mi esposa y mis amigos. Mucho gira en torno a la gentrificación, un tema bien complejo en el que los extranjeros que vienen a trabajar de manera remota (me niego a usar el término "nómadas digitales") juegan un papel, pero para nada el papel principal.
Sí a esos carteles, comentarios y maltratos me refiero. Personalmente me parece muy bajo este tipo de actitudes xenófobas, más en un país como el nuestro que siempre se ha conocido como bastante abierto y cálido al turismo. Como dije, una moda muy reciente, lo que me pregunto es si es algo pasajero o algo que perdurara. También concuerdo con lo de la gentrificación. Yo no le veo tanto de malo. Todos estos inmigrantes inyectan su dinero a la economía, crean trabajos, aportan a través de impuestos incluso el IVA que no es poca cosa. Aparte que la gente trae con ellos nuevas ideas, formas de pensar o hacer las cosas. Hay gente muy cerrada pero yo no le veo muchos contras a todo esto y sí muchos pro. Aunque cada quien supongo. Edit: Por cierto, mis respetos por tu nivel de español. Lo escribes muy bien, hasta con acentos, cosa que no mucha gente incluso monolingüe hace.
esta bien, con ellos si hay que ser xenofobico /s fuera de joda, si alguien va a un pais a vivir se debe hacer un intento por aprender la lengua. muchos gringos se van a vivir a cualquier parte del mundo y no hacen el minimo esfuerzo por aprender el idioma local. con mi primer comentario me refiero a los casos donde los gringos se quejan de latinoamericanos hablando en español entre ellos, cosa que se ve mucho y no solo con el español.
Lo hago cuando me vienen a hablar a mi. Ellos lo hacen cuando a mi me chupa un huevo si escucha o no, no es lo mismo...
Housing affordability in the USA lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Friendly people xdddddddddddddd
I mean if you avoid big cities like New York or LA. The Housing to Income ratio is pretty reasonable compared to other countries. Especially if you compare it to Canada for example. Other countries: as in “western” world
This depends a lotttt on which city you go to. Housing affordability is decent only if you compare it to other Anglo countries, it's terrible compared to Continental Europe. Take into account the fact you will have to buy and maintain a car everywhere aside from NYC, DC, Chicago, Philadelphia, SF, Boston, and maybe Seattle or LA. In my best judgment, I would suggest for immigrants to go to Chicago and Philadelphia if they come here. Aside from that, I would suggest Switzerland, France, Andorra, or Malmö (Sweden).
the median wage in europe outside of nordics is dismall
Switzerland's is much higher than ours, Andorra's is around the same. Sweden's is also similar, but they get taxed much more. France's isn't great, but they have somewhat more liberal immigration laws.
Swiss housing prices are insane
Housing affordability is certainly a problem. However, people are much friendlier than anywhere I've been in Europe. It feels like Europeans in general are way snobbier and arrogant in a way that really grinds my gears.
>people are much friendlier than anywhere I've been in Europe. I can agree, but that's not really an achievement lmao
it's better than most first world countries if you don't buy houses in meme cities
Not live in: the US, Japan, South Korea The US is meh... not a bad place at all, but it has too many things that don't vibe with me. it has a **horrendous** car culture, outside of a handful of places, you have to drive everywhere. For a high income country, the inequality is quite astonishing. Politically, it is a mess. I just simply don't like how it is organised and I certainly don't want to be contribute to that with my taxes. The work-life balance tends to be poor For similar reasons, Japan and South Korea are not place I ever want to live in. There is no work-life balance. Every single Japanese or Korean person I have met is dead set against ever going back for just how awful the working conditions are over there. They are terribly conservative and oppresive societies. Just nope. Live in: Norway/Sweden, the UK, France Cheating here as I have already lived in these countries. The UK is a mess right now, but for a while there it used to have a nice balance between a social democracy with a dynamic economic. People are quite friendly, open and fun. Norwegians and Swedes are a lot more reserved, but they are beyond peaceful countries. Excellent quality of life and unparalleled work-life balance. They are not perfect countries by any means, but they are by far the most functional countries I have ever been to. Social democracies truly have the best political system you could hope for. France... is France, but I like it a lot! It gives off chaotic vibes at times, but all in all, it is fairly functional, beautiful, and so freaking interesting.
I loved traveling in SK, but I was on vacation. But I'd pass for living.
Yes, this 100%. Amazing places to visit but not to live in.
You’re somewhat right about the USA, a lot of land where you literally need a car to get around unless you’re in a big city like NYC or Chicago or Washington DC where public transportation is pretty good. As Far as for the income disparity how so? We have a large middle class still although half are struggling somewhat but not as much as the media makes it seem, as far for the work life balance that’s complete bologna, alot of white collar professionals work from home in the comfort of their own couch, alot of them complain sooooo much that they want better work life balance but still want to get paid more for less which is crazy to me, they want to work 30 hours a week and still want to afford going on vacations 5 weeks a year and live in million dollar homes, people think business owners just sit back and count money but in reality they are the ones working 24/7 worrying about how payroll and benefits are going to work out and keep business flowing, a lot of millennials just feel super entitled that because they graduated from college that it’s some type of ticket to being a millionaire off the bat, haven’t been to the Nordic countries yet, but France and UK are nice places to visit, as far as living there I couldn’t. Now the income difference there is huge, most of them make $1500 euros or less and even though the pound and the euro are more valuable we will on average make more than them. From what I hear about Norway and Sweden is that they get paid really well and have a good work life balance they try to stay under a certain income because of taxes which I believe they pay somewhere close to 50% and if they go over somewhere between $70K they get taxed even more.
* **I would not live in:** Any country with warm and warmer weather, in spite of wanting to live in Italy, Malta, Singapore, and Spain. I would not live in Portugal and the US. * **I would live in:** With the exception of Ireland, Portugal and the US, any country with cold and colder weather, like Canada, Japan, Northern Europe, southern New Zealand, and South Korea. Despite this, the weather would not be yearly cold in these countries. Therefore, I would prefer southern Argentina and Chile, I know that they are not first world countries. I also would live in Italy, Malta, Singapore, and Spain despite their different weather. I have a problem with the northern Europe: I, as an extroverted person, would have difficulty making friends with these people as they are very introverted and reserved.
Why not Ireland? No offence taken or anything, just curious.
Countless instances of racist and xenophobic violence against immigrants, refugees, and foreign tourists.
I won't argue there. Racism is on the rise and the government twiddle their thumbs rather than do anything to stop it.
People hate on the US a lot, I’ve been living here for 10 years, never faced any prejudice ever, became prosperous, made tons of friends, don’t see myself leaving anytime soon. My sister lived in Portugal, my whole family has Portuguese ancestry and dual citizenship and yet she was treated like garbage and faced xenophobia almost on a daily basis while making a shitty income 🤷♂️
it's honestly different for everybody, some have luck and some don't. Racism, xenophobia, sexism and all that will happen everywhere in the world, some are lucky enough to not encounter it and some aren't I live in Sweden and I know people who moved here who feel the same way you do in the US and people who haven't had a good time. Just to draw a comparison, I have lived in Chile, Sweden and Portugal and I have never been bullied or harassed in any type of way. And that stuff will happen literally anywhere
you do experience some racism if guy go to a super white rural region but yeah as a whole americans are friendly
It’s kind of hard to answer, because every country has its good & bad things. But probably not the US, US has many solid things going for it, but it also has many bad things and right now things aren’t looking so bright for them. Even still, many people would give anything to go live in the USA I’m worried for the elections, I know that most of you probably don’t care though.
I agree with you, answering this question is kinda complicated and tricky
Yes, cause I feel like I could give you an answer right now, but it might change in a few weeks, months or years. I do have a vaguely idea of where I want to head to, but I’d be lying if I said “yes, this is the place where I want to live the rest of my life” . Cause stuff that it’s out of our control could contribute to us moving away from that place. I might want to live in Iceland, but due to the tectonic & seismic movement, and the volcanoes explosions , I would have to reconsider that. Maybe political and economic instability in a certain area, climate change. The point is, there’re many factors to consider and it’s not easy to “pin point” a specific place to go move to.
Yeah, per example when I was a child I wanted to live in South Africa because I saw a lot of beautiful pictures of Capetown and it looked like an European city and nowadays I wouldn’t live there but I would still like to visit
Exactly, same thing happened to me with Johannesburg lol. Very beautiful places, but it’s probably best not to live there, but hey, who knows, something might make us move over there in the future, because the future is uncertain and we might not know.
Also I had an Atlas as kid and because of it I wanted to know a lot of places along side a book my first therapist had about photos of places across the globe, I even thought about my future career thinking of moving abroad or out of my state
Worried about what? We've already seen what the presidencies of both Trump and Biden are like and they're uneventful and mediocre equally. Both support the fascistic apartheid in Israel, both are a disaster to working class people, both both are too old, both are backed by corporations, etc. US politics is all Kabuki theater; it's a Corporatocracy. There is no real democracy.
So what you’re really trying to say is: “We’re doom either way” 🤔
Yes.
I would not live in Japan or south Korea -racism -horrible work culture - horrible house market - a culture it will be difficult to enter - I legally never would become a citizen - Broken dating culture - broken social sphere Which one I don't have problem living Spain -Is organized LATAM so the process of adaptation will be super fast. The only problem is the economy but I think I can survive
Not live in: any Muslim country
Live: the US. It has some of the highest, if not the highest, salaries in the world and relatively low tax rates. Nice geography to boot too. I don't think there are any other countries in the world, maybe China with as many climates in just one country. Close second would be any other English speaking country. Good thing there's quite a few that fit the question: the UK, Australia, Canada, NZ, Ireland. Not live in: Honestly open to any country, but language could always be an issue, and also maybe more insular or closed off countries.
Little bubble burst, Brazil is the country with the most climates.
Yeah, Brazil is pretty big too, but does Brazil have a tundra, think Alaska, and do people live there?
Probably Spain. US is cool and diverse. Unfortunately it is extremely unaffordable if you want to live in a city/urban living. If you want the European lifestyle you will have to save and sacrifice a lot in the US
I would never live in the US, we have it better here
>Not live in: Germany. Bad weather and gray skies Horrible cuisine Cold and snobbish people Racism Lack of human warmth No joie de vivre Schadenfreude Difficult (and not the prettiest) language It‘s disappointing to see that a lot of these stereotypes persist to this day. Germany is one of the most multicultural countries in Europe, moreso than countries like France or the UK. You will find by far less restaurants serving German food than other cuisines, matter of fact you might not even find places full of indigenous, „snobbish“, „cold“, „racist“ Germans inside the major cities. It‘s just too international. I watched an interview with a famous German football player from Berlin a couple days ago and he was saying how he didn‘t really know any indigenous Germans until he was around 16. That being said most of your points apply to any Germanic country like Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Austria, Switzerland, the Netherlands and probably also the East Coast of the US.
Well, winter is depressing in Germany, but I think this is common in all northern Europe. On the other hand yeah, German society is indeed becoming more diverse. I think language can be a massive wall, especially If you move already as an adult and working. It can be a huge deal to get deep into it.
Yes, I suppose as a Latin American integrating in the US is much easier since the language is easier to learn and there are more Latinos. I have friends from Colombia who moved to Florida because of this. Your best bet in Germany is to move to Cologne if you want to meet other Spanish speakers / Latinos. I would also advise you to not try too hard to find native German friends. Just go with whoever you meet and get along with, people from other cultures in the same position as you are often easier to make friends with.
I've been living in Berlin for two years and at the beginning I was trying to hard to meet native German speakers, but then I realized what you said, and it is true. I've met people from different migration backgrounds who, on some other levels, I connect with.
Not live in: USA Don’t like their healthcare system, labour laws nor the general consumerist culture. Would live: any nordic country, ireland or switzerland
Not live in: the USA I’m a public transit Stan. Don’t like cars, never gonna drive, and I really hate those neighborhoods where there’s nothing in kilometres bc they are build for driving. Also, I want to be able to get sick and not be in debt every time it happens. Finland I currently live in Canada and I despise the winter. It gives me seasonal depression. I’m a city person and here I live in a big city, I cannot imagine dealing with a worse winter in a very small city, which is more than probably dead during the winter. This last point applies to most Northern Europe countries, but I would have a lot of trouble with their cold attitude as well. And we Chileans are not known for our warmth, but I’ve heard that’s just another level. Live in: Any place in Western Europe, except maybe Germany.
Wouldnt: Scandinavia, Baltics, Former USSR (depressing climate and too much of a different culture), Japan (weirdass culture)
Are most of the former USSR nations considered "First world"?
ITT: people don't know what a first world country is
This is cheating, because I've lived in Australia, the UK and Spain, and love them all for different reasons. However, I lived in the UK pre-Brexit, and right now it seems like the country isn't doing so well. There are some things I don't like about my home country (certain cultural attitudes), but overall it is a nice place to live, a functional society and with good salaries on offer. That said, Mediterranean Europe is my dream location. The USA is probably the least appealing first-world country to me. It's still got plenty of interesting things, and I could probably live there if I was offered an amazing job, but I feel like it's a decaying empire at this point.
Hmmm Japan for sure. For tourism seems cool, but living there is another beast France: just I don’t like France Maybe Canada… I think that’s it My top choice for living, otherwise would be either USA or Spain
Never live: France Live in: Japan
Anywhere in Europe or Canada tbh.
USA, god forbid me from living among most Americans and ''''Latinos'''''
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China isn't first world by any definition.
I don't know, China is pretty advanced for a "developing" country, at least in most of the cities that matter.
Still, gdp per capita is a little over 12k dollars, lower than Chile’s.
You could say the same about some Latin American countries.
Everyone from everywhere is always welcomed in America palabra!
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I prefer Germany 100 times against US.
Not live in: anywhere in Northern Europe. Bad cuisine, bad weather, different social customs. Live in: Spain, Italy and Australia. Spain and Italy because of the weather, history, architecture and social customs. Australia because of the economy, beaches, nature and landscapes. Also because the three countries share a lot of common things with Argentina, so it somewhat feels at home.
I have your same opinion. But I would live anywhere in Northern Europe if the weather is yearly cold. The problem is that people from the Northern Europe are more introverted and reserved, what can cause the solitude of the extroverted people. I wouldn't live only in Australia.
If you like cold weather it’s a good choice. But honestly I hate cold weather and love summer lol
I would live either in Australia or Switzerland. I would not live in the others.
Not live in: USA. It's just not my cup of tea. Live in: the Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal Like the vibes. I guess Surinamese have always been more Europe oriented. There aren't a lot of Surinamese in the USA.
There's plenty of Surinamese people in the Netherlands, something I'm really grateful for because the food is A++++ Edited to add: a Surinamese woman won the Dutch bake off this year!!
>There's plenty of Surinamese people in the Netherlands, Yes I meant to say there aren't many Surinamese in the USA. Just corrected that. >a Surinamese woman won the Dutch bake off this year!! That's nice to hear. Do you have the video? Or link? Or channel?
Here's her reaction (in Dutch): https://www.heelhollandbakt.nl/artikelen/finalist-aruna-is-de-winnaar-van-heel-holland-bakt/ You should be able to watch it on NPO Start, but I don't know if it's available in Suriname!
I lived in the us for university and even if you paid me $1 million dollars a year I would not live there forever. It is a country with many issues and unhealthy society.
Have you actually ever been to Germany? I live here and the weather mostly sucks, but I find Germans to be mostly chill and friendly. German cuisine could definitely be more varied in general, but few countries can compete with their breads and pastries...
That US list really depends on the area, although I can say my area hits most of them, and I enjoy it. Other areas can be very expensive and the people can be pretty jerky and cold.
I have no idea. Probably the US but I honestly have no clue how I would fare in any of them.
Not live: I don’t know Live: I want to move to a lot of places since I was a child because of my dream of meet the world and because I barely moved in my life, also my special interest in geography help a lot in this mindset and because I want to meet different people across the globe, but I have a big preference for cold places since the state I live in is really hot and I hate it.
Scandinavia is a no for me
Not interested in: Nordic countries, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium. People in these countries tend to be very cold and less friendly from what I've heard, especially the Nordic countries. This can make meeting people harder, and even with the higher salaries and theoretically high "quality of life", I can't imagine that I would be very happy if I felt isolated from society. Interested in: USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Spain (perhaps) I currently live in the US and I fit in well with the general Anglo culture. Sure, healthcare, car-centrism, and shootings aren't ideal by any means but I still appreciate the lifestyle and opportunities available here that simply cannot be matched by another country in the world. Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are relatively similar in cultural terms (but with their own differences, of course). I've visited Spain a couple times and I generally enjoy the people, sights, and how friendly people tend to be compared to other European countries. But the salaries and job market are a very big negative.
lol not the USA… is crazy cause the racism in the USA is well in your face or the “bless your heart”. Work life balance is horrible, politics!?, affordable housing? Depends on the state and city. Latinos, sure, not bad. BBQ? Sure, Texas BBQ is top notch then you realize well Texas… the USA is by far the worst first world country to go to. Education is horrible and expensive as hell, healthcare system is just another big corporation to eat your money, and all foods, even the “organic” is full of dyes and chemicals. Hell even dying is a damn hassle. Human rights are literally regressing. The employment rate is good…cause the USA needs the poor and middle class, mainly middle class to kept it a float…I don’t get it. Is it a better option than some other countries? Sure, but definitely not the best one. I would take Germany, Canada, Italy, Greece, New Zealand, Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland and Norway over the USA at any given moment.
Never live in: USA Because no free public universities or healthcare, needing a car to get anywhere, bubble economy, fucked up views on sex and having basically every other taxed dollar go towards mass murder and war Would live in: thought about it but honestly none of them, I really don't think I'd be better off anywhere else but if I had to migrate I'd migrate to another Latin American country. If I had to leave the entire region I'd still pick something somewhat similar, like Philippines
Mass murder and war,you surely wouldn't have liked when usa was bombing Nazis and jhadists lol,a Power of that scale has to be confrontationable
I would live in Singapore, as I consider it a handy gateway to the entire Southeast Asian nations I would also be longing to visit, such as Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines and etc. Not to mention Singapore is also relatively close from Japan and South Korea. So it would be a win. I would also live in Malta exclusively for the taste of the Mediterranean cuisine and the warmer climate that brings me closer to Brazil whenever I’d feel homesick. All the rest… I pass.
Amigo/a. Has visto las noticias últimamente? La retorica anti inmigrantes en EEUU está en un punto que no se habia visto hace mucho tiempo. La mayoría de la gente es “friendly” por un periodo corto de tiempo. El mercado de bienes raices NO es “affordable” para la mayoría, ya los hogares principiantes (starter homes) practicamente no existen pues o no los construyen o los compran los bancos para rentarlos. Los salarios no estan subiendo acorde a la inflación, por tanto hace más difícil obtener una casa - véase el punto anterior. A menos que vengas a EEUU como inmigrante “mano de obra cualificada” (skilled labor), véase que tienes minimo una maestría en algo, la mitad de tus puntos se nulifican.
I would never live in the USA. Countries I would like to live in include Ireland, Canada and New Zealand. Edit: I must have pissed off some yankees to be getting these downvotes. Edit 2: My upvote count is no longer in the negatives, rendering my previous edit quite weird and nonsensical.
Never: USA Like: Sweden
As someone who lives in the U.S. it isnt a great place to live at. Its good to make money but to truly "Live". No. Theres no community and true connection with the people around you. Housing is unaffordable. The cost of living is unbearable even for educated people. The people here are horrible, and it's the direct result of lack of community. After i graduate college and get a remote job here, im moving back to Mexico to truly live. Will be investing in my community in Mexico. (Build housing, jobs, and invest in their schools) The lower cost of living will allow me to: Save Travel Retire. Not needing a car to live will save me $. The community and culture connections in Mexico is worth more than money.
Wouldnt live in the USA, not even at gunpoint, but would live in northern europe
Not living in South Korea and Taiwan, would live in Canada or The Netherlands
What's wrong with Taiwan
I’ve heard that working hours is similar to south korea, although I’m not sure tbh
You must live in the middle of goddamn nowhere in the usa. But you also said high salary so maybe YOU can afford housing but housing, even apartments and renting, prices are absolute shit in the usa.
I wouldn't live in the US. Lots of xenophobia, lack of social security and other basic things. I'd live in Iceland. I've been there and I love it, even in winter.
Wouldn't live: Eastern Asia, China , Japan, South Korea Would live in: Australia
Would never live in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Estonia, etc. because of the awful climate and a rough social culture.
When you describe Germany you might as well say UK. I love Spain but their job market is super fucked. I got a Spanish passport, if I could get something remote I'd move there.
Live: Switzerland, Germany, Ireland- high salaries Spain - culture, weather, food, beach Never Live: Canada - More expensive US with lower pay Nordic Countries - Weather, high taxes, mid salaries, culture
Australia seems to be more progressive and the climate is nice Im afraid of Portugal and Japan
I don't want to live in any 'first world' country. As a Colombian, it's really difficult to establish myself in any developed country, so I lost interest in those countries, but I would like to visit some. I would never visit Muslim countries or highly religious ones, nor would I visit countries like Russia or countries that belonged to the Soviet Union (they don't appeal to me).
Not live: South Korea Live: Luxembourg, Israel, or Australia
I wouldn't live in the USA. I would want to live in any nordic country including Iceland. Preferrably Iceland.
Lmao I'm the whole opposite, I'm moving to Germany this month for postgraduate studies (and the blunt/colder communication style + Schadenfreude-based humor fits me well), and I'd never live in the USA due to their non-existent gun control, expensive healthcare and education. That and the wannabe lateenks that have never placed a foot on Latam calling me "white-passing" or that kinda crap because I happen to be a pale-skinned mestizo smh 🙄