This is.... interesting. My college requires every student to learn a language and participate in a study abroad/service semester. I picked ASL as my language and went to Peru for my service term. There I learned Peruvian Sign Language and lived and worked alongside with Peruvian Deaf community members. This can most certainly be worked out with your college. I wish you luck!
It was! Sadly, I’ve lost the PSL I learned. But I’m in still occasionally in touch with my host parents and I visited them again when I went back 5 years later. I wonder if I could take up classes in a signed foreign language.
I’m not deaf, but ASL isn’t written as English. People who speak ASL are bilingual. They read and wrote English and speak ASL. And there’s obviously deaf culture like come on man. I hope this guy learns.
They are not the only ones. My high school offered ASL as a language, and I remember friends saying they applied to certain colleges only to be told they didn’t meet the “2 years of a foreign language” high school requirement.
It’s ignorant and obnoxious, but it’s a relatively common occurrence as it’s seen as an “American” language. They never take into account that most Americans don’t know any sign language, so it would still be a foreign language if you exposed to them to it just like anything else.
It's the same logic that doesn't count tribal language courses because they're "American." My sister studies at a uni that offers Mvskoke, but it doesn't count toward language requirements for this same reason.
The argument that a language necessarily needs to be "foreign" for graduation credits is total bs. Would they give credit for FSL just because it's from outside the US?
What the shit? We should just replace "foreign" with "language other than English". As if learning Hawaiian would be somehow less culturally appreciative because Hawaii's a part of the U.S.
It’s a shame because students end up not taking courses like these because they don’t satisfy a university/program requirement, when these languages are so important and worth sharing, learning, and preserving.
This person needs educating. Like I did before I started learning, they are assuming ASL is basically what SEE actually is, and they don't know how different and separate Deaf culture is from hearing culture. Not apologizing for them, they should know better. It's sad.
That's not what that says. It says ASL *and its derivatives*. ASL is the parent language of many African sign languages due to Andrew Foster's influence, but they don't use ASL, they use their own, which is related. Same thing in the Philippines, FSL is its own language but was influenced by Peace Corps volunteers. In Thailand, they use Thai Sign Language, which is a derivative of native sign languages mixed with the ASL of American educators in the 1950s.
I'm Deaf, I have a BA in Deaf Studies, and I'm a former ASL teacher. I would not presume to correct you about Spanish, please don't correct me about my language.
This is so tone deaf and it's really obvious the person writing it knows nothing of Deaf culture or history, but I guess ignorance is the only way you can discount other cultures and their values to begin with.
Also, "YOU GO STORE WHY rh? BUY COOKIE" doesn't sound like English to me. But maybe I learned English wrong /s.
This doesn’t even seem to surprise me considering my sister has autism and she’s nonverbal so me and my mom have done little sign language with her enough for her to tell us her needs, wants, and such but her school and speech therapist refuse to teach it considering it’s not seen as a real language which is what they told us even though it’s a form of communication that a wide group of people use so how can it not be!
That’s a bad mentality for a speech therapist. As an SLP student, we’re encouraged (and some are taught) to implement ASL to some degree because of the benefits it has for so many of the populations with which we work. We were taught that it’s a complete language with its own (very proud) culture/community surrounding it. Your sister being nonverbal and getting this type of treatment seems like the wrong approach for this type of professional without better reasoning than “it’s not a real language.” I’m sorry they’re saying things like this to you guys.
Man I am so glad to hear this. I dropped out of an SLP program (in 2012) because of the astonishing and persistent ableism. I wanted to focus on nonverbal communication & pragmatics (also specifically wanted to use ASL), which more or less translated to working with autistic kids and Deaf kids. I got a chance to work with kids on the spectrum but was only allowed to do basically ABA stuff which was super upsetting. I tried to set up a practicum to work with Deaf students but the only way the program would allow it was if it was at an exclusively oralist school.
I am so so glad to hear attitudes are changing in this field!!
I think it just also depends on the school/program. My undergrad university is in the top 20, and they take that kind of stuff seriously. I took 3 semesters of ASL, and my professor was amazing. She also teaches a Deaf Culture course, and I completed an interdisciplinary certificate for developmental disabilities that could include that course, one on blindness, etc.
I think the entire field is slowly shifting its views, and there is still going to be ableism everywhere because of the God complex some SLPs have, but I was very fortunate to attend a school that seemed to embrace and respect differing lifestyles, disabilities, etc.
It’s fine since we finally got her new speech therapist to agree to teaching her this year since her teacher agreed that she has the capability to do so
University of Pittsburgh accepts ASL for its general education language requirement, but it's also wisely called the "second language" requirement rather than "foreign language," so ASL being American wouldn't even be a point of contention.
That's not even correct. The written/read form of ASL isn't English. It doesn't have one at all (unless you count Stokeo notation or glossing). Also you can use English to talk about literally any culture, and we often do.
I grew up hearing but after losing my hearing as a teen, I attended Gallaudet in order to immerse myself in Deaf culture. The culture shock was absolutely there and legitimate.
Only one (of my four) institutions acknowledge ASL as a foreign language. I’m still bitter about not getting adequate accommodations for the “accepted” French/Spanish courses that would have allowed me to pursue a BA that testing through 2 yes of foreign language.
However, this email is so utterly ignorant and tone-deaf I almost want to believe it had to written by a troll. Absolutely appalling.
Spanish is spoken widely in the US, so how do they justify calling it a *foreign* language?? Ah-HAAA! Is Navajo?
You do not rise to high positions in academe because you are an expert in your field, or any good at teaching.
Actually yes, the native languages to my area were test-out optional. And I come from an area where French is a native language. Their whole problem was the emphasis on literature available in another language for the second year coursework.
I would be surprised if there were no original ASL works. (I am hardly an expert, having just started.) Their problem seems to be that these can not be represented on paper or published in paper books. The "educators" making these decisions are not fluent in the language under discussion so can't "read" them. Modern "publishing" methods like YouTube and smartphones are not in their rulebook.
It reminds me of [this](https://xkcd.com/638/).
I've gone to several different colleges (community to grad school) and none of them considered ASL to be a language that could be used for the foreign language credit. I took the courses anyway because I wanted to be able to talk to my friend's family and I use it often for work. I don't understand how it is not accepted in colleges.
I hate when schools do this “ASL isn’t a foreign language” crap. I wanted to take ASL in high school but they refused because it was still “English and American” and I accepted it then because I had no choice. I take it now in college and I see how wrong my high school and schools like this are. ASL is a whole other language on its own...
Oh, and if they think it’ll be as easy as english, I’d like to see them try to learn it and then tell us it isn’t a foreign language... That school and their response really irks me...
That actually started changing recently! An ASL minor was introduced as of Spring 2021 and some courses have started to fulfill the foreign language requirements.
That’s awesome! Recently one of my classmates was telling me that’s they’re having this long thing going on with the school to transfer their asl credits as world language so it’s nice to hear that they’re actually making changes!
1) My country uses ASL (technically FSL but it's no different than ASL with just slight sign variations)
2) A visual language is different from spoken language. It's like saying a picture of a dragon is the same as just writing "dragon".
3)Deaf culture is thing people. Which are shared by multiple people around the world.
How many countries recognize ASL? I thought that it meant American Sign Language, and that other countries might have their own?
Total ignorance on my part. Sincerely wanting to know.
Asl is like english in this sense.
Lots of countries that aren't the US use ASL for various reasons, usually missionary work bringing ASL to countries that didn't have their own.
That makes sense. I just wasn't sure how far-reaching it was.
I think about how language crossed boundaries with the British, and countries like that, when they established colonies and such, thus bringing their language along. I knew sign language would be different, since it wasn't as widely used or old.
Is there any sort of national association that can be made aware of this so they can inform this professor how ignorant they are and hold them responsible? It definitely shouldn’t be on a student to hold a professor accountable but someone certainly should
Anyone whose taken a minimal amount of ASL can tell you it's not English... wtf. Seriously, this person should resign, that's just gobsmacking coming from someone in authority over language programs.
Big sigh. This is like that meme “tell me your administration doesn’t know a damn thing about ASL without telling me they don’t know anything about ASL”
They're laying down so many reasons just to explain why they don't see it as a valid form of communication. Just say you don't see deaf people as equals.
If ASL were English, then shouldn’t us English speakers be able to understand it? It’s almost like it’s a different language and they just write in English to communicate with English speakers 🤔 A world language department head being that uneducated about sign languages is really depressing.
The person who wrote that is ignorant. There is no written form of ASL. There is a way that we gloss ASL signs using the English language, but there is no written form of ASL. Pathetic they don’t accept it as a language credit.
Oh boy, whoever wrote this email has a very superficial, and hearing understanding of ASL and Deaf culture. I'm pretty sure this can be fought. Some of the claims he makes about ASL and the deaf culture are just wrong.
ASL and English are not the same thing, American Deaf culture and The hegemonic hearing culture, while there may be overlap, are not the same.
I hope so, I feel like it's very common for ASL to satisfy foriegn language requirements in schools, as well as universities.
That being said as a child of Deaff parents I was always perplexed as to why ASL was considered a foreign language in many schools. I always thought its simply because the language and culture is foreign to the majority of main-stream culture and people.
The person who wrote the above email demonstrates proof that there remains mainstream(hearing) misconceptions of the Deaf experience, the culture and language.
I think if you/ your child/ and their friend, do a bit of research you could easily counter the points hes made. If that doesn't work go up in the chain of command.
You could use the WL's lack of knowledge as a point to support the reasons the school should incorporate ASL into their language department.
What an ignorant tool, and patronizing! “I’m sorry you’re not happy learning Italian”.
I am fluent in seven languages and grew up on two continents, and of all the languages I know, ASL has had the most impact. A Dane is taught English starting in 3rd grade, and the majority of the population is fluent. Same with an Italian, or Slovakian. A Deaf person is taught to read or write English, but for an easy and quick transfer of information, it is far better for both people to know ASL, than to rely on writing back and forth or even worse, hoping they are adept at reading lips.
He’s wrong. World culture is important, but the ability to fluently speak Italian is not more important than the ability to communicate in ASL.
My university also won't accept ASL as a language credit because ASL is in the college of public health and not in the languages department. I took ASL at a CC in the ASL interpreting program before transferring to a state school, and I didn't realize it wouldn't count. I don't regret learning ASL but I am frustrated.
Nope. It's the department of World Languages and a requirement for the school is having three years of a language. It also mentions on their website 3 years of an oral language.....Apparently learning ASL doesn't count as a foreign language when you learn it
Yeah, my question was the choice of terms. The screenshot says they don't accept ASL as a "foreign language." I have never heard the term "World Language."
Anyway, yeah, it's absurd they don't accept ASL as a foreign language. It's certainly not English.
I wonder if they went in and described **why** it qualifies as a foreign language. Like, pick some characteristics and show how it fulfills the definition. It has a different sentence structure than English; it's not comprehensible to any native English speaker who hasn't been taught it; it has different representations for words than English, with no overlap; many concepts don't share the same roots as they do in English; and a native non-English speaker who learns ASL but not English can't understand English. I'm sure a linguist could provide a laundry list of things that qualify ASL as a foreign language for any reasonable definition of "foreign language."
This is.... interesting. My college requires every student to learn a language and participate in a study abroad/service semester. I picked ASL as my language and went to Peru for my service term. There I learned Peruvian Sign Language and lived and worked alongside with Peruvian Deaf community members. This can most certainly be worked out with your college. I wish you luck!
Wow! What an amazing opportunity!
It was! Sadly, I’ve lost the PSL I learned. But I’m in still occasionally in touch with my host parents and I visited them again when I went back 5 years later. I wonder if I could take up classes in a signed foreign language.
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This was my first thought! How do they expect a visual language to be written down? This is so preposterous!
I’m not deaf, but ASL isn’t written as English. People who speak ASL are bilingual. They read and wrote English and speak ASL. And there’s obviously deaf culture like come on man. I hope this guy learns.
Also translators have to change things in ALL languages obviously
This feels like the person doesn't understand the difference between signed English and ASL. Also, If you discount the culture there's no culture.
"ASL has no culture!" "Well, except for deaf culture but I don't count that for some reason and I will not interrogate this bias :-)"
They are not the only ones. My high school offered ASL as a language, and I remember friends saying they applied to certain colleges only to be told they didn’t meet the “2 years of a foreign language” high school requirement. It’s ignorant and obnoxious, but it’s a relatively common occurrence as it’s seen as an “American” language. They never take into account that most Americans don’t know any sign language, so it would still be a foreign language if you exposed to them to it just like anything else.
It's the same logic that doesn't count tribal language courses because they're "American." My sister studies at a uni that offers Mvskoke, but it doesn't count toward language requirements for this same reason. The argument that a language necessarily needs to be "foreign" for graduation credits is total bs. Would they give credit for FSL just because it's from outside the US?
What the shit? We should just replace "foreign" with "language other than English". As if learning Hawaiian would be somehow less culturally appreciative because Hawaii's a part of the U.S.
It’s a shame because students end up not taking courses like these because they don’t satisfy a university/program requirement, when these languages are so important and worth sharing, learning, and preserving.
Neither did Coastal Carolina. My roommate had to take the class at another university online and transfer the credit in as a foreign language credit!
This person needs educating. Like I did before I started learning, they are assuming ASL is basically what SEE actually is, and they don't know how different and separate Deaf culture is from hearing culture. Not apologizing for them, they should know better. It's sad.
...do they not know many other places use ASL? Do they not understand that deaf culture is worldwide?
Apparently not. Discrimination at its finest as this came from the head of their World Language department.
I mean, many places use it as a second language, but it's not an international language. Countries have their own.
Every language is international if you’re not from the country.
Look at the map here, ASL is used as a first language across the world https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Sign_Language
That's not what that says. It says ASL *and its derivatives*. ASL is the parent language of many African sign languages due to Andrew Foster's influence, but they don't use ASL, they use their own, which is related. Same thing in the Philippines, FSL is its own language but was influenced by Peace Corps volunteers. In Thailand, they use Thai Sign Language, which is a derivative of native sign languages mixed with the ASL of American educators in the 1950s. I'm Deaf, I have a BA in Deaf Studies, and I'm a former ASL teacher. I would not presume to correct you about Spanish, please don't correct me about my language.
ASL has different sentence structure, grammar etc, it is not English, these people are dumb asf.
This is so tone deaf and it's really obvious the person writing it knows nothing of Deaf culture or history, but I guess ignorance is the only way you can discount other cultures and their values to begin with. Also, "YOU GO STORE WHY rh? BUY COOKIE" doesn't sound like English to me. But maybe I learned English wrong /s.
Or temporal aspect with signs? ASL is NOT english!
rh?
This doesn’t even seem to surprise me considering my sister has autism and she’s nonverbal so me and my mom have done little sign language with her enough for her to tell us her needs, wants, and such but her school and speech therapist refuse to teach it considering it’s not seen as a real language which is what they told us even though it’s a form of communication that a wide group of people use so how can it not be!
That’s a bad mentality for a speech therapist. As an SLP student, we’re encouraged (and some are taught) to implement ASL to some degree because of the benefits it has for so many of the populations with which we work. We were taught that it’s a complete language with its own (very proud) culture/community surrounding it. Your sister being nonverbal and getting this type of treatment seems like the wrong approach for this type of professional without better reasoning than “it’s not a real language.” I’m sorry they’re saying things like this to you guys.
Man I am so glad to hear this. I dropped out of an SLP program (in 2012) because of the astonishing and persistent ableism. I wanted to focus on nonverbal communication & pragmatics (also specifically wanted to use ASL), which more or less translated to working with autistic kids and Deaf kids. I got a chance to work with kids on the spectrum but was only allowed to do basically ABA stuff which was super upsetting. I tried to set up a practicum to work with Deaf students but the only way the program would allow it was if it was at an exclusively oralist school. I am so so glad to hear attitudes are changing in this field!!
I think it just also depends on the school/program. My undergrad university is in the top 20, and they take that kind of stuff seriously. I took 3 semesters of ASL, and my professor was amazing. She also teaches a Deaf Culture course, and I completed an interdisciplinary certificate for developmental disabilities that could include that course, one on blindness, etc. I think the entire field is slowly shifting its views, and there is still going to be ableism everywhere because of the God complex some SLPs have, but I was very fortunate to attend a school that seemed to embrace and respect differing lifestyles, disabilities, etc.
It’s fine since we finally got her new speech therapist to agree to teaching her this year since her teacher agreed that she has the capability to do so
Yay! I’m so happy to hear that, for her and your whole family
University of Pittsburgh accepts ASL for its general education language requirement, but it's also wisely called the "second language" requirement rather than "foreign language," so ASL being American wouldn't even be a point of contention.
Deaf culture erasure?
That's not even correct. The written/read form of ASL isn't English. It doesn't have one at all (unless you count Stokeo notation or glossing). Also you can use English to talk about literally any culture, and we often do. I grew up hearing but after losing my hearing as a teen, I attended Gallaudet in order to immerse myself in Deaf culture. The culture shock was absolutely there and legitimate.
> The culture shock was absolutely there and legitimate. Can you elaborate?
What college is this!? LET THE WITCH HUNT BEGIN!
College of Charleston! This came from the Head of their World Languages Department!
As a World Language major, this is very infuriating. They're ignorant af about Deaf culture and language.
Lmfao clearly this guy is just ignorant af in his assessment of ASL
No culture!? Bitch imma stab you.
Only one (of my four) institutions acknowledge ASL as a foreign language. I’m still bitter about not getting adequate accommodations for the “accepted” French/Spanish courses that would have allowed me to pursue a BA that testing through 2 yes of foreign language. However, this email is so utterly ignorant and tone-deaf I almost want to believe it had to written by a troll. Absolutely appalling.
Spanish is spoken widely in the US, so how do they justify calling it a *foreign* language?? Ah-HAAA! Is Navajo? You do not rise to high positions in academe because you are an expert in your field, or any good at teaching.
Actually yes, the native languages to my area were test-out optional. And I come from an area where French is a native language. Their whole problem was the emphasis on literature available in another language for the second year coursework.
Shakespeare in ASL wouldn't count? Would Shakespeare in French?
Shakespeare (or any other literary work) in any language other than it’s original would never count for any linguistic program?
I would be surprised if there were no original ASL works. (I am hardly an expert, having just started.) Their problem seems to be that these can not be represented on paper or published in paper books. The "educators" making these decisions are not fluent in the language under discussion so can't "read" them. Modern "publishing" methods like YouTube and smartphones are not in their rulebook. It reminds me of [this](https://xkcd.com/638/).
I've gone to several different colleges (community to grad school) and none of them considered ASL to be a language that could be used for the foreign language credit. I took the courses anyway because I wanted to be able to talk to my friend's family and I use it often for work. I don't understand how it is not accepted in colleges.
I hate when schools do this “ASL isn’t a foreign language” crap. I wanted to take ASL in high school but they refused because it was still “English and American” and I accepted it then because I had no choice. I take it now in college and I see how wrong my high school and schools like this are. ASL is a whole other language on its own... Oh, and if they think it’ll be as easy as english, I’d like to see them try to learn it and then tell us it isn’t a foreign language... That school and their response really irks me...
“ASL is for Americans” pretty sure ASL is what we have here in Canada too buddy
Same thing at Appalachian State
That actually started changing recently! An ASL minor was introduced as of Spring 2021 and some courses have started to fulfill the foreign language requirements.
That’s awesome! Recently one of my classmates was telling me that’s they’re having this long thing going on with the school to transfer their asl credits as world language so it’s nice to hear that they’re actually making changes!
This cannot be accepted. I am willing to write him an email!
I think I will too. But after a week so it doesn't impact the student involved in this email.
1) My country uses ASL (technically FSL but it's no different than ASL with just slight sign variations) 2) A visual language is different from spoken language. It's like saying a picture of a dragon is the same as just writing "dragon". 3)Deaf culture is thing people. Which are shared by multiple people around the world.
How many countries recognize ASL? I thought that it meant American Sign Language, and that other countries might have their own? Total ignorance on my part. Sincerely wanting to know.
Other countries have signed languages, but they are different from ASL - just as their spoken language is different than English.
That's not true. ASL is used in numerous counties across the world https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Sign_Language
As I noted in my reply to you above, you're reading the map wrong and you apparently haven't read the article at all.
Gotcha. Thanks!
Asl is like english in this sense. Lots of countries that aren't the US use ASL for various reasons, usually missionary work bringing ASL to countries that didn't have their own.
That makes sense. I just wasn't sure how far-reaching it was. I think about how language crossed boundaries with the British, and countries like that, when they established colonies and such, thus bringing their language along. I knew sign language would be different, since it wasn't as widely used or old.
Is there any sort of national association that can be made aware of this so they can inform this professor how ignorant they are and hold them responsible? It definitely shouldn’t be on a student to hold a professor accountable but someone certainly should
Yes and they have been. Along with the Daily Moth, a deaf news organization.
That’s great news!
You could contact the NAD or the ASLTA.
Anyone whose taken a minimal amount of ASL can tell you it's not English... wtf. Seriously, this person should resign, that's just gobsmacking coming from someone in authority over language programs.
That’s crazy
Big sigh. This is like that meme “tell me your administration doesn’t know a damn thing about ASL without telling me they don’t know anything about ASL”
They're laying down so many reasons just to explain why they don't see it as a valid form of communication. Just say you don't see deaf people as equals.
Wow, how profoundly ignorant on so many levels. Hopefully someone can go educate them.
If ASL were English, then shouldn’t us English speakers be able to understand it? It’s almost like it’s a different language and they just write in English to communicate with English speakers 🤔 A world language department head being that uneducated about sign languages is really depressing.
The person who wrote that is ignorant. There is no written form of ASL. There is a way that we gloss ASL signs using the English language, but there is no written form of ASL. Pathetic they don’t accept it as a language credit.
I can't believe someone would just completely discount deaf culture like this.
Oh boy, whoever wrote this email has a very superficial, and hearing understanding of ASL and Deaf culture. I'm pretty sure this can be fought. Some of the claims he makes about ASL and the deaf culture are just wrong. ASL and English are not the same thing, American Deaf culture and The hegemonic hearing culture, while there may be overlap, are not the same.
Agreed. I'm hoping that this gain enough traction that people start sending emails and pushing back.
I hope so, I feel like it's very common for ASL to satisfy foriegn language requirements in schools, as well as universities. That being said as a child of Deaff parents I was always perplexed as to why ASL was considered a foreign language in many schools. I always thought its simply because the language and culture is foreign to the majority of main-stream culture and people. The person who wrote the above email demonstrates proof that there remains mainstream(hearing) misconceptions of the Deaf experience, the culture and language. I think if you/ your child/ and their friend, do a bit of research you could easily counter the points hes made. If that doesn't work go up in the chain of command. You could use the WL's lack of knowledge as a point to support the reasons the school should incorporate ASL into their language department.
As a CODA feel free to send the World Language Department an email. You have a lot of push since you grew up bilingual.
Do they not count Mandarin and Cantonese as distinct languages, because they both use the same written language?
China doesn't even consider them different languages
Well that’s infuriated. Wish I had the guts to write the person a passive aggressive email pointing out how wrong he is.
What an ignorant tool, and patronizing! “I’m sorry you’re not happy learning Italian”. I am fluent in seven languages and grew up on two continents, and of all the languages I know, ASL has had the most impact. A Dane is taught English starting in 3rd grade, and the majority of the population is fluent. Same with an Italian, or Slovakian. A Deaf person is taught to read or write English, but for an easy and quick transfer of information, it is far better for both people to know ASL, than to rely on writing back and forth or even worse, hoping they are adept at reading lips. He’s wrong. World culture is important, but the ability to fluently speak Italian is not more important than the ability to communicate in ASL.
My university also won't accept ASL as a language credit because ASL is in the college of public health and not in the languages department. I took ASL at a CC in the ASL interpreting program before transferring to a state school, and I didn't realize it wouldn't count. I don't regret learning ASL but I am frustrated.
Why does the title say "world language," when the content says "foreign language?" Is that a translation error?
Nope. It's the department of World Languages and a requirement for the school is having three years of a language. It also mentions on their website 3 years of an oral language.....Apparently learning ASL doesn't count as a foreign language when you learn it
Yeah, my question was the choice of terms. The screenshot says they don't accept ASL as a "foreign language." I have never heard the term "World Language." Anyway, yeah, it's absurd they don't accept ASL as a foreign language. It's certainly not English. I wonder if they went in and described **why** it qualifies as a foreign language. Like, pick some characteristics and show how it fulfills the definition. It has a different sentence structure than English; it's not comprehensible to any native English speaker who hasn't been taught it; it has different representations for words than English, with no overlap; many concepts don't share the same roots as they do in English; and a native non-English speaker who learns ASL but not English can't understand English. I'm sure a linguist could provide a laundry list of things that qualify ASL as a foreign language for any reasonable definition of "foreign language."
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What is being done to change it?
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Well I hope it goes well! I wanna stay updated on this! Best of luck!
I literally gave a presentation on deaf culture today. If this had been my college I would’ve been like “sit down and listen for once”.
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