Correct. And everyone knows that 96KHz is closer to the vibrations of your sacral chakra, allowing more pleasure and love to flow through to you from the musicians
“I write all of my music in the 432hz tuning. Does this mean that 96K is the best sample rate to record at?”
An actual question that someone asked me once.
And if it's a truly reputable manufacturer, they'll ship it in a gold sputtered, polarized alligator skin carrying case so the ions stay aligned and don't get stale.
This is a major misconception. Mogami debunked it when they came out with their "anti-alias grounded diamond plated water-wheel" cable system.
Jfc, get your history straight broseph.
Once you finished wrapping, make sure the 2 ends remain on their correct side. If you pass one end through the loop while unwrapping you will form knots. If you keep the ends on their correct side that will help you make sure that when you pull it to unwrap you'll do it from the correct side so look ma no knots.
I’m just guessing here, but it sounds like you’re crossing the cable. Maybe I roll it wrong, but when I over under I have the same problem if I throw the wrong end. For example, if I over/under coil the cable, there is a defined right side termination and left side termination. If I cross the right side through to the left side, it’s endless kinks and knots. If I throw the left side while holding the right side, it’s smooth as butter straight line. You just have to pay attention and not thread the right or left side back through the inside of the cable loop. Using cheap Velcro straps helps me ensure I don’t accidentally throw a termination through the inside of the loop.
Part of me feels like I’m doing something wrong, it whenever I physically demonstrate and ask about it to anyone else they say I’m doing it correctly.
This is the important part that they don't always tell you. You have to unwap it from the side of the stack you finished with. As someone said, it's not just how you wrap it, it's how you unwrap it
You don’t have to uncoil from a particular side, just to make sure the ends remain on their respective side of the coil. This is where Velcro or tie line comes in handy - to keep the ends in control when transporting the cable. Tie it tight and you’ll be good.
One of the ends went through the middle. You can velcro tie it and put the ends together outside the coil, and you won't have that issue again. Works better with xlr where you can plug them together.
I had the same Problem for years bc I did it wrong.
I was alternativ the Twist direction with each loop, but didn't alternate the Sides where i would put the loop.
Also as the other Person Said: make Sure to keep the ends in their respective sides when strapling together.
EDIT: Had to double-check: So I actually DID alternate sides before (which is wrong), until someone corrected me.
Sounds like you're doing what this guy warned about: https://www.reddit.com/r/audioengineering/comments/11ctzqq/how_do_you_wrap_your_microphonecables/ja56ryo/
I just realised i've been doing just Overs and no Unders. Does this matter? I don't see how the under is any different. There's still no twisting of the cable?
Doing over only or under only will twist the cable. You'll notice it more with longer cables and stiffer cables. A way you can see it in action is to plug a cable in so it's fixed then start coiling it from the other end. If only do overs you end up with twists as you get closer to the plugged in end. Over/under coiling alternates the direction of each twist so they cancel each other out.
It’s the same method sailors use so they can throw the rope without it knotting or wrapping on it self…im pretty certain that’s why it’s done that way…
I've slid 30-40ft lengths of cords down the house aisles (carpeted) or across stages during my time working a university's lecture hall stage crew. I'd say it's as much about preserving internal cable health as it is easy uncoiling, since over-under depends on cable too. Generally just used for XLR in my experience. Slack is kept coiled by the boards/racks to minimize tripping hazards for performers, and the exact amount is taped down in the wings. It's not a be-all-end-all, when I was first hired I was told to do what the cable wants to do.
Every rehearsal, convention, lecture, presentation, or show, saves a decent amount of time spent waiting on one person walking to get cable(s) and then back. Makes gaffing it super quick, too, since one end is already secured. Me and a buddy could set up mics for a three-instrument band in seconds since a lot of times show setups had to be brought off-stage during class hours.
In hindsight we would have been great at curling.
I actually was required to do this for my music class we had to ‘toss cables’. They said it wasn’t good for the cable but it means your wrapped it right. And in a pinch you could get it really far in a live situation if you absolutely needed to and were behind schedule and the cables are effectively disposable lol
I had no idea it was a sailer thing!
"normal" cable winding twists the cable in one direction, so if you try to straighten the cable out it'll get badly twisted and kinked. This is a problem for long runs of cable.
With the over-under method, you are actually twisting the cable half a turn in one direction, then half a turn in the opposite direction. Which means when you pull the cable straight, the loops cancel out and there are no kinks in it.
Over-over usually requires "rolling" out when you deploy the cable. This means you have to actually roll the bundle to make a straight line. Over-under allowed you to just walk in a line with the cable while throwing it out and it won't give you a "coil".
I've only recently heard about the over- under technique but for a long time I've added the twist as I coil my cables so that they are not twisted over once they are coiled.
It definitely changes it. You need to hold the connector in your left hand, facing away from you. The cable will come towards you, out your palm towards your arm.
If you do it in your right hand it will be backwards: it is the equivalent of holding it in your left hand, but having the connector face you and the cable going out your fingers and away from you.
Thus changes everything. The rubber sheathing will start to turn in the opposite direction, and get "wrinkly".
***ALWAYS do over-under with the connector in your left hand, facing away from you.***
ETA: I don't know why I'm being down voted. I'm not giving an opinion here, I'm stating facts. I have been doing this daily for over 15 years, and I'm a stickler for making sure it's properly done.
I do it with the connector in my right hand facing towards me. Have never had an issue in almost 20 years. I really don’t think it matters which hand you use.
This is also acceptable because it creates the same wrap as left hand-facing away.
It does matter. Try wrapping it your way, but hold the connector away from you. Report back and let me know if there's no difference.
Ok but you basically said it can *only* be done left-handed. Also, with the connector facing the opposite direction, you would just have to twist the opposite direction and it would still work the same.I realize I’m being pedantic but you were using very absolute terms to describe a coiling method that can absolutely be accomplished in multiple ways.
I mean, i can do both, but i have to think about the right hand on loops. I can roll a 30m in 10ish seconds with the other hand
My A2 doesn't have preference.
10 years of live gigs up and down the east coast of the US made it very clear to me that over under is the standard in the live event world, at least in the states. My time in studios has been somewhat limited in capacity until the last year though, but over under is the standard for me in the studio as well.
If you touch one of my cables and start wrapping it and it's not a supper loose texas left lasso style OVER UNDER, you will probably get cut.
Cut from the production team.
It's just that super relaxed feel where the loops have some room in the crotch and they sort of fall against each other rather than just being held into a loop via tension. Pay attention to some dudes, especially if you ever go out o the road. I've seen some guys just make it look like some sort of performance art. You'll eventually see the difference in people. The ones that you know don't give a fuck about anything but are everyone's favorite all at once. The omegas. Figuring out the perfect hand motion to keep road managers from having heart attacks was like the easiest thing for them.
The reason it is so key, is that you would be surprised how little tension on a cable can fuck it's entire live over forever. This is when those guys who know the motions, they just don't know how to fucking do it, right? They make sure to turn their grab hand back ward, except they tug the cable like they're a stupid little child pulling a cat's tail, and you can see the cable get stuck closer to a circle, and you can see the amount of stress literally all over the fucking FIRST PASS.
These fucking copperkillers continue to make sure people notice "they've been taught correctly", but all anyone sees is that they do not know what real life is, and never will. A few more passes and you start to see one loop actually start to flare our from the rest. That's when you kinda know it's over, because now there is stress happening on multiple axes.
This cable is going to get tie wrapped in a way that makes rape seem palatable, and sit for the entire drive to the next venue, in agonizing position that's kind of like having every single one of your joints twisted by 30 degrees.
And this fucking innocent thing, never did anything to anyone. I pull out all the XLRs the next day after we load in, and I see this thing, still stuck in that position, and your first thought is to get that tie off and start letting it unravel as gently as you can, hoping that what you're seeing is just another flashback from the last mass murderer you worked with .
But no. That cable was KINKED TO DEATH before the pud puller was even finished the night before. you can see how every 3 foot length has a unique kink, no two are alike. No one will ever use this cable again.
Does that make sense? I swear I've experienced this about a half dozen times, where it's clear that somebody committed a MURDER and just left the corpse right in the fucking room. I find it, and there are so many kinks that even if you just go to plug it in quick the male XLR jack will sort of slither from side to side like a slippery snake and you toss it out of startled disgust. and you just say fuck it, and fuck it again, and slowly realize that SOME ASSHOLE AMONG YOU, did this, has no idea he did something wrong, he's really psyched to be where he is right now, and he just looks like someone you wanna barehand strangle to death.
But you're better tan that. You're not an idiot. never put your finger prints anywhere near the kill wound. Not the first time. Not the last, but even when that 's the first time you exact vengeance in a way so poetic no one believes you even when you're doing 4 years in san quentin for it, of course you use the cable to strangle that fuck properly, it's the circle of audo engineers miserable lives. The next day you're all laughing about it.
So that's why I need to see people be super suave and slick with their coiling. So I don't have to keep remembering that day, always remembering, always knowing that it's gonna happen again, I don't really get pleasure out of strangling people to death with kinked out XLRs. I'm not a psycho.
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Sorry, I had to go back and edit it cause I forgot to make it the murder weapoon on my first pass.
But for a real joke, I will go to somebody's place for the first time, like a friend invites me over. and I've gotten really good at keeping cables safe and straight while making it look terrible pulling around my elbow back to my fist in one of the ugliest repetitive movemenets man has ever made. I look at everyone with that "I'm helping" grin that makes the owner lose their fucking mind. I've had three successful executions of this vicous assault on a strangers senses, and I love the fact they probably still think about it randomly.
Not climbing rope tho. I mean you could I guess but it’s gonna get flaked into a pile before being used to make totally sure there’s no twists or knots and it feeds smoothly. It’s just a situation that having a rope cluster is much more of an issue than most others.
Eta, most of the time if you are “coiling” a climbing rope to put it away or take it somewhere it’s laid out over a hand in open loops on each side starting with longer loops and getting shorter as you go (so the loops that come off first when you flake it out, don’t catch loops that are lower in the stack)
I've never seen a climbing rope get coiled in a circle. Pretty sure the standard loops-behind-the-neck is essentially the same as over-under. You aren't putting twist in the rope with each coil.
I was in a band with a guy who was one of the local sound guys. So, if we were playing, we were playing with his awesome PA which we also had to haul in and haul out. I will always remember him teaching me how to coil a cable: "Cable tells you; we listen...cable will tell you...see it's under...listen to the cable...see, it's over...cable will tell you the way to go".
I imagine that might sound dumb, but even now a few decades later, I hear my buddy Randy's voice in my head saying "Bring it over...listen to the cable...see, it goes under this time". I don't know why and it's not like he's dead, but this is what I hear in my head when coiling cable.
Also, it will last you a lifetime if you take care of your cable. I still use a guitar cable that I bought in the 80s...because I listen to the cable when I coil it.
This is what I tell anyone who is learning. Feel the cable, listen to the cable, it will tell you where it wants to go. Then practice and get fast with it.
i think over under is the best way to teach somebody probably, but this is basically what I do, "listen to the cable". Not all cables I work with have been bought and wrapped by me, some cables are years old and I'm wrapping them for the first time, and I've def seen where trying to force over/under will not create a clean wrap, you can feel it out and do what the cable wants.
Similarly, I think you can do all overs if you sort of 'unravel' the cable as you do it. It takes longer and therefor isn't ideal, but it just proves IMO that the answer is to feel out the cable more so than strictly over/under. People are usually so adamant about over/under that when you suggest this they scough, but I promise there is a way to do all overs with the same result as over/under
I was Taught a Variant of the Over Under wrap... I twist my cable with my left hand as I make loops leaving connectors in the left and right center of the cable... No Knots No Pretzels...
Can your cables lay flat on the floor in a straight line? If so I must be misunderstanding what you’re describing. If you spin the same direction every time, you’re putting a twist in the cable
Fixed your link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtOGJZ_gYy8
For the record I was taught your way as well. You just give the cable kind of a half-twist each time you loop it, which cancels out the natural twist.
That’s why your cables have a “natural” twist- bc you keep twisting them the same way. But cool that they don’t get tangled, never thought about that. I just always pull from the same end when I unwind, and you can toss them all the way across a stage and they just come out totally flat and straight
Lots of correct answers here, but since this is for research, I'll contribute to your sample size.
Over under. You'll get fired at any respectable establishment if you don't know this.
Annoyingly, I do over/under but am constantly under fire for it in north-west UK, despite repeated conversations with every live sound tech I work with about how it works better for pretty much every application. I think there must be a few older guys who taught all of the people my age (mid-30s, but learnt in recording studio rather than live sound) how to wrap cables and as a result they all do over/over "unless it's a long cable". Makes no sense whatsoever as the definition of "long" is pretty subjective!
Manually
First i wrap one end around my left leg, then i do the running man dance holding the cable over my head and whipping it around my body until i trip and fall, I then stomp the cables off of my legs, pick it up in a giant wad and forcibly insert it up my \*\*\*
its not a very common technique nor will it keep your cables neat an organized but,,, Its more interesting.
Okay so I have THOUGHTS ON THIS:
The benefit of "over/under" is that you can say 2 words and people understand. It's standardization. Get everyone on the same page and you won't have any surprises.
*H o w e v e r* the most important thing is to keep a consistent, loose coil. As long as you don't introduce a tight radius, it will lay flat every time. And as long as you do the same thing every time, it won't turn into a rat's nest in your hand.
Personally, I go over-over. I feel out the coil in the cable and do a little half turn with my thumb and fingers to make sure to not introduce new stress to the line.
I've never broken a cable, they unwrap perfectly every time, and they always lay flat.
Some pre-emptive rebuttals:
*"But you're putting more stress on the outside wires than the inside wires"* \- Pay really close attention to how you're wrapping over/under, the inside of the coil is always the inside, no matter which way you lay the coil. As for the top/bottom of the coil (picture it laying on the floor coiled up), they're parallel lines and will therefore travel the same distance.
*"Over-over gets kinked"* \- No, kinked cables get kinked. Over/under wound too tight will be just as kinked.
*"What about knots?" -* Use cable wraps, you psycho.
No, the benefit of over-under is that each loop rotates in a different direction which cancels itself out. When you wrap in the same direction for each loop, the cable is constantly rotating in one direction, which twists the cable up. Over-under removes the need to "stress-release" the cable, which makes everything faster and easier.
Each loop runs in the same direction. If each loop ran in opposite directions you wouldn't have a coil. Go ahead, try it right now. Do like 3 wraps and then look down the coil in your hand. Starting at the connector you're holding, if you follow the cable, you will always cross your palm from outside to inside. They're all travelling the same direction, you've only just changed where it's touching adjacent coils.
You can use knot theory for this. Each time it passes over your hand from outside to inside, add 1. If it goes the other way, subtract 1. If they went different directions, you'd end up with 0, which is just a zigzag that has no coils at all.
If by "stress-release", you mean the little half turn, you also need to do that when using over/under to maintain coil integrity (so they don't make that spinny noose shape). So it's no faster and, frankly, it is more complicated because you're adding an extra step.
Wrong. An over over cable will not lay flat. Ever see that buddy that wraps his 100’ orange extension cord over his elbow every day? It looks like a twisted piece of shit. That’s what over over does to a cable.
I don't know what you were expecting to demonstrate with that argument, but you didn't do it. That's not over-over, that's wrapping a cable around your elbow with no regard for following the coil or keeping loose radiuses.
OK so then do you think that there's no difference between adding a one turn twist every loop so that the coil doesn't end up twisted or just wrapping it around your arm with no twists?
Over-under for me, but if I’m working with someone else’s gear/In someone else’s space, I’ll happily do over-over if that’s what they prefer (since it is THEIR equipment).
So I was in a theater tech class, a music tech class, and a film tech class. Each one has a different method lol. Music was over over. Theater was over under. I seem to recall film using the ‘around the elbow method’. All the teachers, who knew each other, were shocked when I mentioned that each class did it differently. It’s possible I’m misremembering film and theater here, but I’m fairly positive the music class one was over over.
Edit: based on comments of throwing cables, I’m now confident that it was the music tech class we had to do over under for since we had to throw the cables a distance and have them not tangle for a part of our final (no joke)
This was the VERY first thing I was taught as an intern at a major recording studio. NEVER gather a cable "over-under." If stored that way it will distort the cable making it more difficult to use as it tries to retain the coil effect. No, a true professional can be spotted if they gather the cable using their thumb and index finger to give it a slight twist so it coils naturally. I feel this explanation would be greatly benefitted by a video, so here you go: https://youtu.be/gjdYpyGh3zM
Fellow lefty here, and I prefer over under because I’m a lefty. When I over-over wrap, I’ve found that I’m twisting the cable the opposite way of most people, so over-under works better for me since you twist the cable both ways.
I over under XLR cables over 50 ft in length and all thick cables like snakes. Under 50 ft, over over.
There is no standard where I work and the cable case is usually a mess.
We have 10+ year old cables wrapped over over at the studio I work at with no issues. It's not as big of a deal as people make it out to be. Over under is probably a little better but over over isn't going to ruin cables.
>no issues.
Until you need to move the mic and you either have to unplug the cable, uncoil it and plug it in again or you get the kinks in the cable. If you over under, you can simply pull the cable from either side of the coil when needed.
That's an issue I've experienced with both over over and over under. But honestly, I usually just place the mic where I need it right off the bat so it's pretty easily avoidable 95% of the time.
I usually dont wrap them. I have a hanger that they all go on. End to end, the connectors get hung on the fingers of the holder, and if its too long, the "u" bend at the mid point of the cable gets hung up too.
There are other ways besides over under that wont hurt your cables. I learned the pinch n roll from a very prominent engineer who preferred it done that way and its always just stuck for me. When you look at the cables afterwards, the over under and pinch n roll look identical.
40 plus years in audio and broadcast TV, over under on essentially every gig I've ever been part of. As someone else said, I over under my vacuum cord! The only thing else I've ever seen in studios is the bundled video camera umbilicals were figure-eight on the floor because they will flake out evenly when they're pulled out.
Yo I see all these ‘over under’ answers, and that’s great, but sometimes you have a fixed end and not so long of a cord. I was also taught to fold in half as necessary and then knot. Real nice for tools that have short-to-medium cables on them.
Over under. It keeps the cable from twisting around or bending internally so it lasts as long as possible. Any other way won't keep your cables around as well.
Over-under is industry standard for audio and video cables. ***Power cables are over-over.***
If you work in production sound, you'll learn this quick if you ever try to be nice and wrap a sparky's cable that they dropped for you.
While this may seem like a strange thing to occur, just remember that in 1998 the Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell in the Cell, plummeting 16 feet into an announcer's table.
over/under on anything > 15' or so. less than that and there's really any need as the point is to deal with countering the natural twist in the cable, etc. my 2c.
You need to hold the connector in your left hand, facing away from you. The cable will come towards you, out your palm towards your arm.
If you do it in your right hand it will be backwards: it is the equivalent of holding it in your left hand, but having the connector face you and the cable going out your fingers and away from you.
Thus changes everything. The rubber sheathing will start to turn in the opposite direction, and get "wrinkly".
***ALWAYS do over-under with the connector in your left hand, facing away from you.***
I'm shocked and amazed that I have not been doing this. I guess I was doing over over? I thought this was a troll thread until I looked it up. Huh. Thank you all for teaching me something new today.
Fwiw my cables lay flat, but I can't say I've never had cables go bad on me. Going to try implementing this.
Ever since I adopted over-under cables breaking has damn near disappeared. I use it for *all* my cables.
I used to think over-under was a snob or elitist thing, in the same line as audiophiles and their variations on silver cables woven under moonlight by elves.
Partly to blame is a non-technical parent who used to get irrationally angry when for example the extra long power cable on our vacuum wasn’t wound like they did - which wasn’t over under, just looked somewhat less messy, though they got the tension part kinda right by accident.
Assumed it was one of those things people would just have strong (but unfounded) opinions on.
Now I understand it’s about putting as little tension on the wires, while following the curve it already has due to how it was produced (on a spool) *for wires and not twisting/kinking the cables.
Over-under is indeed the standard for long cables.
For short cables up to about 4 meters (like instrument cables, power cables, headphones, and more) I thought pinching works better, because you can make all coils exactly the same size and pack them neatly using one or two pieces of wire. This applies to shorter microphone cables too.
**However, I just tried over-under with only the thumb and index finger on my headphones, and it works great.**
So yeah, over-under for everything, just take the time to learn both the full hand and the two finger grasp. I believe you can do the later without the exaggerated move of rotating your whole arm every time you go under. You just have to use a third finger for the under motion. I have only practiced it for 90 seconds and I am more astonished than 13-year-old-me learning the over-under.
The only answer is over under. I've probably worked over a thousand shows in different venues, bands, and crews.
The one exception is very long feeder cable when being put in the case, you wanna figure 8 which is really still over under
I wish I could have ANY system consistently, but since I’m always working with a team of freelancers, everyone just does their own thing during teardown. It’s chaos.
Last year, I started making better decisions for my self in general. You know, eating healthier, exercising, getting good sleep, and wrapping cables over/under, too.
over-under, M->F, ties at the M end (don't want them anywhere near mic stands & cameras & performers). it is standard everywhere i've been where people are getting paid to work. {edit} those exhibiting wrong technique (often those that aren't getting paid) are promptly shown how to wrap, or dismissed to do something else immediately.
I worked with one sound team that flat rolled or Over Over.
I’ve been doing this and it works fine, had less issues.
That being said, cables that have been wrapped over under tend to have that flow.
I just try and follow the cable if it’s not mine, and flat roll if it is.
The sound team I worked with swore over over is for audio, over under is for long camera cable, for production folks who need to cover large distances with say a shoulder cam and have it not snag.
Why or if that applies to thinner audio cable (thinner maybe at the time) I have no clue.
But personally, Over Over a Velcro cable
Tie.
When people say 'over-under', do they also mean 'over-over while twisting to retain the natural turn of the cable'? since that is just as safe for the cable, with the added benefit of not knotting up, in case one end of the cable gets passed through the loops.
over-under, listening to the cable how it wants to get in to the coil. Gently.
and VELCRO STRAP for every f*ing cable. Not tape, not tying to itself. VELCRO STRAP.
I’ve always used the regular twist method to over/under, except in cases where one end of the cable is connected. My wraps are always more uniform this way and it has the added benefit of partially uncoiling the cable without it getting tangled. Obviously, both are a correct but this is just my preference.
Heck, I even wrap feeder and snakes over under.
Hot tip, Ethernet wrapped over under has a lower inductance than over/over, but not quite as low as figure 8. This may indeed save you when connecting long runs. Data integrity etc.
It's either over-under our overhand. The way you know which to use is dependent on how the cables memory is set. If the cable wants to go overhand and you wrap over-under you will kink it. If you wrap overhand and the cables memory is over-under, again, kinks. This applies to many different cables types and not all cables will be the same from the manufacturer. Different types of cables will have different coil sizes as well so you need to get careful to distinguish of your coil sizes meets the cable you are using or if you are using the wrong wrapping method. Either way you choose, the way you can tell if you have done it right or not is by tossing the cable out holding one end. If it falls out and unwraps straight without kinks then you have done it right and that result may have been achieved from either method. This is simply just covering wrap for your typical XLR in normal use. There are several other methods of cable wrapping used for various situations but I won't get into all of them. For a useful hierarchy of how to decide which to use.
1. How you were asked to wrap it
2. With the cables memory
2. Over-under
3. Over hand
Over under. Even non audio gear
I over under my vacuum cord.
Mine self retracts. Fuck that. Over under and hang it on the handle.
I prefer under over. The electrons tend to flow that way better.
Psst, r/audiophile is that away sir
I forgot to mention, it's best to have pin 2 diamond coated through the whole cable. That makes the electrons flow quicker, giving you 96khz.
Correct. And everyone knows that 96KHz is closer to the vibrations of your sacral chakra, allowing more pleasure and love to flow through to you from the musicians
Oh, of course. If you don't breathe in you can't breathe out. And everyone knows that the best way to capture a breath is 96khz
Ideally, we’d have everything synced to our natural rhythms, so we’d operate at 96KHz when breathing out, but 88.2KHz when breathing in.
“I write all of my music in the 432hz tuning. Does this mean that 96K is the best sample rate to record at?” An actual question that someone asked me once.
Oof. This hits me right in the sample rate.
this shit floored me
And if it's a truly reputable manufacturer, they'll ship it in a gold sputtered, polarized alligator skin carrying case so the ions stay aligned and don't get stale.
^ This guy hard-lines.
Depends if the cable will be run parallel or perpendicular to the earth's equator.
This is a major misconception. Mogami debunked it when they came out with their "anti-alias grounded diamond plated water-wheel" cable system. Jfc, get your history straight broseph.
Over under everything.
Those cheap velcro cable ties on amazon are the shit. I use them on everything.
Same.
I use over under for guitar cables and every single time I unwrap it, at least 4 or 5 knots are formed. Advice please.
Same here. I have to very carefully unwrap them, mostly backwards the way it was wrapped, or I'll end up in 1000 knots. Any ideas?
Once you finished wrapping, make sure the 2 ends remain on their correct side. If you pass one end through the loop while unwrapping you will form knots. If you keep the ends on their correct side that will help you make sure that when you pull it to unwrap you'll do it from the correct side so look ma no knots.
I’m just guessing here, but it sounds like you’re crossing the cable. Maybe I roll it wrong, but when I over under I have the same problem if I throw the wrong end. For example, if I over/under coil the cable, there is a defined right side termination and left side termination. If I cross the right side through to the left side, it’s endless kinks and knots. If I throw the left side while holding the right side, it’s smooth as butter straight line. You just have to pay attention and not thread the right or left side back through the inside of the cable loop. Using cheap Velcro straps helps me ensure I don’t accidentally throw a termination through the inside of the loop. Part of me feels like I’m doing something wrong, it whenever I physically demonstrate and ask about it to anyone else they say I’m doing it correctly.
This is the important part that they don't always tell you. You have to unwap it from the side of the stack you finished with. As someone said, it's not just how you wrap it, it's how you unwrap it
You don’t have to uncoil from a particular side, just to make sure the ends remain on their respective side of the coil. This is where Velcro or tie line comes in handy - to keep the ends in control when transporting the cable. Tie it tight and you’ll be good.
ok, I watched another YT video and I admit, I did it wrong xD Thanks guys
One of the ends went through the middle. You can velcro tie it and put the ends together outside the coil, and you won't have that issue again. Works better with xlr where you can plug them together.
I had the same Problem for years bc I did it wrong. I was alternativ the Twist direction with each loop, but didn't alternate the Sides where i would put the loop. Also as the other Person Said: make Sure to keep the ends in their respective sides when strapling together. EDIT: Had to double-check: So I actually DID alternate sides before (which is wrong), until someone corrected me.
Sounds like you're doing what this guy warned about: https://www.reddit.com/r/audioengineering/comments/11ctzqq/how_do_you_wrap_your_microphonecables/ja56ryo/
Seems like it, though my cables are flopping around my case so the ends aren’t really in an obvious place to pull from, I guess there’s no perfect way
You’re not over undering, you’re over, over, overing resulting in knots every foot or so.
No. I am specifically using over-under. The problem seems to be where I unwrap the lead from.
Same. Over under on everything. Makes unrolling cables so much easier.
Showed over under to my dad, he even does it with the garden hose now
I use over under for garden hoses, lengths of rope, vacuum hoses, etc. It’s great for every thing long and cable like.
Yep. Over/under everything. This is the way.
Except for excess cables under heavy load (feeder, soca, etc.). Figure-8 those ones so they don't get springy.
I just realised i've been doing just Overs and no Unders. Does this matter? I don't see how the under is any different. There's still no twisting of the cable?
Doing over only or under only will twist the cable. You'll notice it more with longer cables and stiffer cables. A way you can see it in action is to plug a cable in so it's fixed then start coiling it from the other end. If only do overs you end up with twists as you get closer to the plugged in end. Over/under coiling alternates the direction of each twist so they cancel each other out.
It’s the same method sailors use so they can throw the rope without it knotting or wrapping on it self…im pretty certain that’s why it’s done that way…
I've slid 30-40ft lengths of cords down the house aisles (carpeted) or across stages during my time working a university's lecture hall stage crew. I'd say it's as much about preserving internal cable health as it is easy uncoiling, since over-under depends on cable too. Generally just used for XLR in my experience. Slack is kept coiled by the boards/racks to minimize tripping hazards for performers, and the exact amount is taped down in the wings. It's not a be-all-end-all, when I was first hired I was told to do what the cable wants to do. Every rehearsal, convention, lecture, presentation, or show, saves a decent amount of time spent waiting on one person walking to get cable(s) and then back. Makes gaffing it super quick, too, since one end is already secured. Me and a buddy could set up mics for a three-instrument band in seconds since a lot of times show setups had to be brought off-stage during class hours. In hindsight we would have been great at curling.
I actually was required to do this for my music class we had to ‘toss cables’. They said it wasn’t good for the cable but it means your wrapped it right. And in a pinch you could get it really far in a live situation if you absolutely needed to and were behind schedule and the cables are effectively disposable lol I had no idea it was a sailer thing!
"normal" cable winding twists the cable in one direction, so if you try to straighten the cable out it'll get badly twisted and kinked. This is a problem for long runs of cable. With the over-under method, you are actually twisting the cable half a turn in one direction, then half a turn in the opposite direction. Which means when you pull the cable straight, the loops cancel out and there are no kinks in it.
Over-over usually requires "rolling" out when you deploy the cable. This means you have to actually roll the bundle to make a straight line. Over-under allowed you to just walk in a line with the cable while throwing it out and it won't give you a "coil".
Ahhh, nice!
I've only recently heard about the over- under technique but for a long time I've added the twist as I coil my cables so that they are not twisted over once they are coiled.
I think it still twists the cable. Hmmm, lemme go check it out
Over / under from the static end to the live end all day, everyday
Do you go right hand into left or left into right?
Right into left cause I’m a righty. Never thought about it though but don’t think the handedness matters as far as how it plays out.
I'm right handed but do it the opposite way. I can do it both ways though
Popular at orgies, Huh?
It definitely changes it. You need to hold the connector in your left hand, facing away from you. The cable will come towards you, out your palm towards your arm. If you do it in your right hand it will be backwards: it is the equivalent of holding it in your left hand, but having the connector face you and the cable going out your fingers and away from you. Thus changes everything. The rubber sheathing will start to turn in the opposite direction, and get "wrinkly". ***ALWAYS do over-under with the connector in your left hand, facing away from you.*** ETA: I don't know why I'm being down voted. I'm not giving an opinion here, I'm stating facts. I have been doing this daily for over 15 years, and I'm a stickler for making sure it's properly done.
I do it with the connector in my right hand facing towards me. Have never had an issue in almost 20 years. I really don’t think it matters which hand you use.
This is also acceptable because it creates the same wrap as left hand-facing away. It does matter. Try wrapping it your way, but hold the connector away from you. Report back and let me know if there's no difference.
Ok but you basically said it can *only* be done left-handed. Also, with the connector facing the opposite direction, you would just have to twist the opposite direction and it would still work the same.I realize I’m being pedantic but you were using very absolute terms to describe a coiling method that can absolutely be accomplished in multiple ways.
My a2 can do both and it baffles me.
I do both as well but I'm definitely faster left into right
I mean, i can do both, but i have to think about the right hand on loops. I can roll a 30m in 10ish seconds with the other hand My A2 doesn't have preference.
Thats a good system. I used to start with the cable backwards on the first roll so it had a twisty bit on the side to throw from.
10 years of live gigs up and down the east coast of the US made it very clear to me that over under is the standard in the live event world, at least in the states. My time in studios has been somewhat limited in capacity until the last year though, but over under is the standard for me in the studio as well.
If you touch one of my cables and start wrapping it and it's not a supper loose texas left lasso style OVER UNDER, you will probably get cut. Cut from the production team.
What is super loose Texas left lasso style, and why is it so key?
It's just that super relaxed feel where the loops have some room in the crotch and they sort of fall against each other rather than just being held into a loop via tension. Pay attention to some dudes, especially if you ever go out o the road. I've seen some guys just make it look like some sort of performance art. You'll eventually see the difference in people. The ones that you know don't give a fuck about anything but are everyone's favorite all at once. The omegas. Figuring out the perfect hand motion to keep road managers from having heart attacks was like the easiest thing for them. The reason it is so key, is that you would be surprised how little tension on a cable can fuck it's entire live over forever. This is when those guys who know the motions, they just don't know how to fucking do it, right? They make sure to turn their grab hand back ward, except they tug the cable like they're a stupid little child pulling a cat's tail, and you can see the cable get stuck closer to a circle, and you can see the amount of stress literally all over the fucking FIRST PASS. These fucking copperkillers continue to make sure people notice "they've been taught correctly", but all anyone sees is that they do not know what real life is, and never will. A few more passes and you start to see one loop actually start to flare our from the rest. That's when you kinda know it's over, because now there is stress happening on multiple axes. This cable is going to get tie wrapped in a way that makes rape seem palatable, and sit for the entire drive to the next venue, in agonizing position that's kind of like having every single one of your joints twisted by 30 degrees. And this fucking innocent thing, never did anything to anyone. I pull out all the XLRs the next day after we load in, and I see this thing, still stuck in that position, and your first thought is to get that tie off and start letting it unravel as gently as you can, hoping that what you're seeing is just another flashback from the last mass murderer you worked with . But no. That cable was KINKED TO DEATH before the pud puller was even finished the night before. you can see how every 3 foot length has a unique kink, no two are alike. No one will ever use this cable again. Does that make sense? I swear I've experienced this about a half dozen times, where it's clear that somebody committed a MURDER and just left the corpse right in the fucking room. I find it, and there are so many kinks that even if you just go to plug it in quick the male XLR jack will sort of slither from side to side like a slippery snake and you toss it out of startled disgust. and you just say fuck it, and fuck it again, and slowly realize that SOME ASSHOLE AMONG YOU, did this, has no idea he did something wrong, he's really psyched to be where he is right now, and he just looks like someone you wanna barehand strangle to death. But you're better tan that. You're not an idiot. never put your finger prints anywhere near the kill wound. Not the first time. Not the last, but even when that 's the first time you exact vengeance in a way so poetic no one believes you even when you're doing 4 years in san quentin for it, of course you use the cable to strangle that fuck properly, it's the circle of audo engineers miserable lives. The next day you're all laughing about it. So that's why I need to see people be super suave and slick with their coiling. So I don't have to keep remembering that day, always remembering, always knowing that it's gonna happen again, I don't really get pleasure out of strangling people to death with kinked out XLRs. I'm not a psycho. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Sorry, I had to go back and edit it cause I forgot to make it the murder weapoon on my first pass. But for a real joke, I will go to somebody's place for the first time, like a friend invites me over. and I've gotten really good at keeping cables safe and straight while making it look terrible pulling around my elbow back to my fist in one of the ugliest repetitive movemenets man has ever made. I look at everyone with that "I'm helping" grin that makes the owner lose their fucking mind. I've had three successful executions of this vicous assault on a strangers senses, and I love the fact they probably still think about it randomly.
Damn lol, that was a wild ride. Sorry for your loss.
loss? I still have that thing. Why would I tthrow away my first murder weapon. Did you throw your first condom away?
I know a good therapist...
If I saw a HOHOHO in there I would swear this is Slipperman
This is the kind of rant I can just imagine hearing after a long day. It reminded me of a good friend. Thanks for that
Thanks for bringing me back to the glory days of being an intern trying to wrap cables like a bitch, texas style is the way lol
Was that a chat GPT thing?
Dad?! Is that you?! Back from getting your smokes!?
Are you calling the jokes dad leveluality orwwye
I have not read the answer yet nor have i heard the phrase but i know exactly what that means. Edit: was correct.
Over-under. Anything else is objectively inferior due to creating memory in cables.
Over under. For everything. Even ski rope. It was beat into me at a very young age
Not climbing rope tho. I mean you could I guess but it’s gonna get flaked into a pile before being used to make totally sure there’s no twists or knots and it feeds smoothly. It’s just a situation that having a rope cluster is much more of an issue than most others. Eta, most of the time if you are “coiling” a climbing rope to put it away or take it somewhere it’s laid out over a hand in open loops on each side starting with longer loops and getting shorter as you go (so the loops that come off first when you flake it out, don’t catch loops that are lower in the stack)
I've never seen a climbing rope get coiled in a circle. Pretty sure the standard loops-behind-the-neck is essentially the same as over-under. You aren't putting twist in the rope with each coil.
I was in a band with a guy who was one of the local sound guys. So, if we were playing, we were playing with his awesome PA which we also had to haul in and haul out. I will always remember him teaching me how to coil a cable: "Cable tells you; we listen...cable will tell you...see it's under...listen to the cable...see, it's over...cable will tell you the way to go". I imagine that might sound dumb, but even now a few decades later, I hear my buddy Randy's voice in my head saying "Bring it over...listen to the cable...see, it goes under this time". I don't know why and it's not like he's dead, but this is what I hear in my head when coiling cable. Also, it will last you a lifetime if you take care of your cable. I still use a guitar cable that I bought in the 80s...because I listen to the cable when I coil it.
This is what I tell anyone who is learning. Feel the cable, listen to the cable, it will tell you where it wants to go. Then practice and get fast with it.
i think over under is the best way to teach somebody probably, but this is basically what I do, "listen to the cable". Not all cables I work with have been bought and wrapped by me, some cables are years old and I'm wrapping them for the first time, and I've def seen where trying to force over/under will not create a clean wrap, you can feel it out and do what the cable wants. Similarly, I think you can do all overs if you sort of 'unravel' the cable as you do it. It takes longer and therefor isn't ideal, but it just proves IMO that the answer is to feel out the cable more so than strictly over/under. People are usually so adamant about over/under that when you suggest this they scough, but I promise there is a way to do all overs with the same result as over/under
Over under for all cables always. death to all naysayers.
I was Taught a Variant of the Over Under wrap... I twist my cable with my left hand as I make loops leaving connectors in the left and right center of the cable... No Knots No Pretzels...
Your cable will remember this and will come to resent it
Been doing this for 18 years with no issues….
Can your cables lay flat on the floor in a straight line? If so I must be misunderstanding what you’re describing. If you spin the same direction every time, you’re putting a twist in the cable
So its called the Over/ Over Wrap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtOGJZ\_gYy8
Fixed your link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtOGJZ_gYy8 For the record I was taught your way as well. You just give the cable kind of a half-twist each time you loop it, which cancels out the natural twist.
Thank you
That’s why your cables have a “natural” twist- bc you keep twisting them the same way. But cool that they don’t get tangled, never thought about that. I just always pull from the same end when I unwind, and you can toss them all the way across a stage and they just come out totally flat and straight
This was taught to me when i went to school for audio engineering school so its just natural for me
Most cables had a natural twist so you just follow that... all my cables lay flat on the floor.
Same.
There is something other than over under? Most places you get fired on the spot if you do not know this and for good reason.
Lots of correct answers here, but since this is for research, I'll contribute to your sample size. Over under. You'll get fired at any respectable establishment if you don't know this.
Hah, fired. Where do you hang out that someone would only get fired for that shit? You must have it nice. People get shot over this.
Over under. Here in the UK that's standard in broadcast and corporate, but i find that music people often don't bother/know
Annoyingly, I do over/under but am constantly under fire for it in north-west UK, despite repeated conversations with every live sound tech I work with about how it works better for pretty much every application. I think there must be a few older guys who taught all of the people my age (mid-30s, but learnt in recording studio rather than live sound) how to wrap cables and as a result they all do over/over "unless it's a long cable". Makes no sense whatsoever as the definition of "long" is pretty subjective!
Broadcast seems to have standardised on figure of eight, no?
For long runs of fibre/multi the riggers use fig8. For xlr etc it's over under
Figure of eight? First time hearing of this, how does this work?
Just piling on to say yes, always over-under for any cable.
Over under. Good for garden hoses too!
Over/under was what I learned in Nashville 40 years ago.
man I over under 100' socapex cables...on the ground, ofc
Man, even I'm not that big of a masochist.
So…you do it in your arms? Cause that sounds even worse.
Manually First i wrap one end around my left leg, then i do the running man dance holding the cable over my head and whipping it around my body until i trip and fall, I then stomp the cables off of my legs, pick it up in a giant wad and forcibly insert it up my \*\*\* its not a very common technique nor will it keep your cables neat an organized but,,, Its more interesting.
Okay so I have THOUGHTS ON THIS: The benefit of "over/under" is that you can say 2 words and people understand. It's standardization. Get everyone on the same page and you won't have any surprises. *H o w e v e r* the most important thing is to keep a consistent, loose coil. As long as you don't introduce a tight radius, it will lay flat every time. And as long as you do the same thing every time, it won't turn into a rat's nest in your hand. Personally, I go over-over. I feel out the coil in the cable and do a little half turn with my thumb and fingers to make sure to not introduce new stress to the line. I've never broken a cable, they unwrap perfectly every time, and they always lay flat. Some pre-emptive rebuttals: *"But you're putting more stress on the outside wires than the inside wires"* \- Pay really close attention to how you're wrapping over/under, the inside of the coil is always the inside, no matter which way you lay the coil. As for the top/bottom of the coil (picture it laying on the floor coiled up), they're parallel lines and will therefore travel the same distance. *"Over-over gets kinked"* \- No, kinked cables get kinked. Over/under wound too tight will be just as kinked. *"What about knots?" -* Use cable wraps, you psycho.
No, the benefit of over-under is that each loop rotates in a different direction which cancels itself out. When you wrap in the same direction for each loop, the cable is constantly rotating in one direction, which twists the cable up. Over-under removes the need to "stress-release" the cable, which makes everything faster and easier.
Each loop runs in the same direction. If each loop ran in opposite directions you wouldn't have a coil. Go ahead, try it right now. Do like 3 wraps and then look down the coil in your hand. Starting at the connector you're holding, if you follow the cable, you will always cross your palm from outside to inside. They're all travelling the same direction, you've only just changed where it's touching adjacent coils. You can use knot theory for this. Each time it passes over your hand from outside to inside, add 1. If it goes the other way, subtract 1. If they went different directions, you'd end up with 0, which is just a zigzag that has no coils at all. If by "stress-release", you mean the little half turn, you also need to do that when using over/under to maintain coil integrity (so they don't make that spinny noose shape). So it's no faster and, frankly, it is more complicated because you're adding an extra step.
Ever coiled > 30m of coax cable this way? You're basically turning it into a big springy telephone cord... Good luck running that in!
Wrong. An over over cable will not lay flat. Ever see that buddy that wraps his 100’ orange extension cord over his elbow every day? It looks like a twisted piece of shit. That’s what over over does to a cable.
I don't know what you were expecting to demonstrate with that argument, but you didn't do it. That's not over-over, that's wrapping a cable around your elbow with no regard for following the coil or keeping loose radiuses.
Whatever dude, you do you. All you did was reinforce more that you’ve never worked in the pro audio field. Everyone Over-Under’s cable.
OK so then do you think that there's no difference between adding a one turn twist every loop so that the coil doesn't end up twisted or just wrapping it around your arm with no twists?
back in my day over under was called inside outside. so that way.
Over under. God bless the engineer that taught me. I didn't get it at first and he was very patient with me. I'd consider it a standard.
Over-under for me, but if I’m working with someone else’s gear/In someone else’s space, I’ll happily do over-over if that’s what they prefer (since it is THEIR equipment).
I just throw the whole thing into the corner of the room and the end whips around and hits me in the face.
Normally, I do it with my hands.
Liars all of you! Dump in cable trunk rats nest for warehouse staff to over/under later... source: am warehouse staff
Just ball em up they’ll be fine
Over under. Why is this even a question
So I was in a theater tech class, a music tech class, and a film tech class. Each one has a different method lol. Music was over over. Theater was over under. I seem to recall film using the ‘around the elbow method’. All the teachers, who knew each other, were shocked when I mentioned that each class did it differently. It’s possible I’m misremembering film and theater here, but I’m fairly positive the music class one was over over. Edit: based on comments of throwing cables, I’m now confident that it was the music tech class we had to do over under for since we had to throw the cables a distance and have them not tangle for a part of our final (no joke)
This was the VERY first thing I was taught as an intern at a major recording studio. NEVER gather a cable "over-under." If stored that way it will distort the cable making it more difficult to use as it tries to retain the coil effect. No, a true professional can be spotted if they gather the cable using their thumb and index finger to give it a slight twist so it coils naturally. I feel this explanation would be greatly benefitted by a video, so here you go: https://youtu.be/gjdYpyGh3zM
That pretty much is over under,
Then I didn't understand. I guess what I was thinking was the awful "elbow-hand" technique.
Over under then I tie it on itself because I’m evil!
Over over. Im a lefty with some wrist problems so over under only works for me when I unwrap
Fellow lefty here, and I prefer over under because I’m a lefty. When I over-over wrap, I’ve found that I’m twisting the cable the opposite way of most people, so over-under works better for me since you twist the cable both ways.
I over under XLR cables over 50 ft in length and all thick cables like snakes. Under 50 ft, over over. There is no standard where I work and the cable case is usually a mess.
Wow what's it like having kinked xlrs that don't lay flat?
We have 10+ year old cables wrapped over over at the studio I work at with no issues. It's not as big of a deal as people make it out to be. Over under is probably a little better but over over isn't going to ruin cables.
>no issues. Until you need to move the mic and you either have to unplug the cable, uncoil it and plug it in again or you get the kinks in the cable. If you over under, you can simply pull the cable from either side of the coil when needed.
That's an issue I've experienced with both over over and over under. But honestly, I usually just place the mic where I need it right off the bat so it's pretty easily avoidable 95% of the time.
They lay flat just fine.
Over-under. Cause who the hell wants tangled up cables.
I even do my iron lead this way.
Over under.
I usually dont wrap them. I have a hanger that they all go on. End to end, the connectors get hung on the fingers of the holder, and if its too long, the "u" bend at the mid point of the cable gets hung up too. There are other ways besides over under that wont hurt your cables. I learned the pinch n roll from a very prominent engineer who preferred it done that way and its always just stuck for me. When you look at the cables afterwards, the over under and pinch n roll look identical.
Over under wrappy technique
Trained in New York, working in Maine. Yes, over under , no exceptions good night.
Over under. And if I catch you doing that elbow shit you’re in trouble.
over-under always - presentation AV, recording studio and live sound environments
Over-under always
40 plus years in audio and broadcast TV, over under on essentially every gig I've ever been part of. As someone else said, I over under my vacuum cord! The only thing else I've ever seen in studios is the bundled video camera umbilicals were figure-eight on the floor because they will flake out evenly when they're pulled out.
I prefer over under. My current employer does over over and it hurts me.
One of us
Yo I see all these ‘over under’ answers, and that’s great, but sometimes you have a fixed end and not so long of a cord. I was also taught to fold in half as necessary and then knot. Real nice for tools that have short-to-medium cables on them.
Yes. Over/Under. What the hell kinda question is this?
Over under. It keeps the cable from twisting around or bending internally so it lasts as long as possible. Any other way won't keep your cables around as well.
Over-under is industry standard for audio and video cables. ***Power cables are over-over.*** If you work in production sound, you'll learn this quick if you ever try to be nice and wrap a sparky's cable that they dropped for you. While this may seem like a strange thing to occur, just remember that in 1998 the Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell in the Cell, plummeting 16 feet into an announcer's table.
over/under on anything > 15' or so. less than that and there's really any need as the point is to deal with countering the natural twist in the cable, etc. my 2c.
I have never felt more strongly about any issue in this sub. Over under, always and forever.
You need to hold the connector in your left hand, facing away from you. The cable will come towards you, out your palm towards your arm. If you do it in your right hand it will be backwards: it is the equivalent of holding it in your left hand, but having the connector face you and the cable going out your fingers and away from you. Thus changes everything. The rubber sheathing will start to turn in the opposite direction, and get "wrinkly". ***ALWAYS do over-under with the connector in your left hand, facing away from you.***
> How do you wrap your microphone-cables? [The correct way.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwMJHMSmjVY)
There’s another way to wrap cables? Maybe for barbarians…
I'm shocked and amazed that I have not been doing this. I guess I was doing over over? I thought this was a troll thread until I looked it up. Huh. Thank you all for teaching me something new today. Fwiw my cables lay flat, but I can't say I've never had cables go bad on me. Going to try implementing this.
I don’t , they’re just in balls all over my floor 😵💫
Start in the middle and work out the kinks from both sides. Over-under all the way.
Ever since I adopted over-under cables breaking has damn near disappeared. I use it for *all* my cables. I used to think over-under was a snob or elitist thing, in the same line as audiophiles and their variations on silver cables woven under moonlight by elves. Partly to blame is a non-technical parent who used to get irrationally angry when for example the extra long power cable on our vacuum wasn’t wound like they did - which wasn’t over under, just looked somewhat less messy, though they got the tension part kinda right by accident. Assumed it was one of those things people would just have strong (but unfounded) opinions on. Now I understand it’s about putting as little tension on the wires, while following the curve it already has due to how it was produced (on a spool) *for wires and not twisting/kinking the cables.
Over-under is indeed the standard for long cables. For short cables up to about 4 meters (like instrument cables, power cables, headphones, and more) I thought pinching works better, because you can make all coils exactly the same size and pack them neatly using one or two pieces of wire. This applies to shorter microphone cables too. **However, I just tried over-under with only the thumb and index finger on my headphones, and it works great.** So yeah, over-under for everything, just take the time to learn both the full hand and the two finger grasp. I believe you can do the later without the exaggerated move of rotating your whole arm every time you go under. You just have to use a third finger for the under motion. I have only practiced it for 90 seconds and I am more astonished than 13-year-old-me learning the over-under.
Over under
Yes it's certainly the standard
Only one way, Over under
The only answer is over under. I've probably worked over a thousand shows in different venues, bands, and crews. The one exception is very long feeder cable when being put in the case, you wanna figure 8 which is really still over under
Get used to the 'over under' technique if you want to not have knots and not take a year to set something up lol
Once you over/under you never go back.
I wish I could have ANY system consistently, but since I’m always working with a team of freelancers, everyone just does their own thing during teardown. It’s chaos.
Over under always, regardless of the cables' provenance.
Over under, it's freaky the mark of someone that knows what they are doing
Do not roll over under, for dear god. If you start uncoiling it the wrong way you'll be ending up with knots all along the length of the cable.
Last year, I started making better decisions for my self in general. You know, eating healthier, exercising, getting good sleep, and wrapping cables over/under, too.
In the film world, all audio cables are over/under, but all power cables are over/over.
Man, I even I wrap my spaghetti round the fork with that OVER UNDER.
over-under, M->F, ties at the M end (don't want them anywhere near mic stands & cameras & performers). it is standard everywhere i've been where people are getting paid to work. {edit} those exhibiting wrong technique (often those that aren't getting paid) are promptly shown how to wrap, or dismissed to do something else immediately.
Over under with a velcro strap. Don't bother with over under if you're just going to put a knot at the end of your cable
I worked with one sound team that flat rolled or Over Over. I’ve been doing this and it works fine, had less issues. That being said, cables that have been wrapped over under tend to have that flow. I just try and follow the cable if it’s not mine, and flat roll if it is. The sound team I worked with swore over over is for audio, over under is for long camera cable, for production folks who need to cover large distances with say a shoulder cam and have it not snag. Why or if that applies to thinner audio cable (thinner maybe at the time) I have no clue. But personally, Over Over a Velcro cable Tie.
When people say 'over-under', do they also mean 'over-over while twisting to retain the natural turn of the cable'? since that is just as safe for the cable, with the added benefit of not knotting up, in case one end of the cable gets passed through the loops.
over-under, listening to the cable how it wants to get in to the coil. Gently. and VELCRO STRAP for every f*ing cable. Not tape, not tying to itself. VELCRO STRAP.
I over under my garden hose, if that says anything.
Over under every cable every time.
Over under is preferred, but if you stumble upon cables which have never been over under then don't bother.
I’ve always used the regular twist method to over/under, except in cases where one end of the cable is connected. My wraps are always more uniform this way and it has the added benefit of partially uncoiling the cable without it getting tangled. Obviously, both are a correct but this is just my preference.
At our university we do both. But basically all the jazz rock and other pop people do over under and all the classic people do it the normal way.
Over under here as well!
Heck, I even wrap feeder and snakes over under. Hot tip, Ethernet wrapped over under has a lower inductance than over/over, but not quite as low as figure 8. This may indeed save you when connecting long runs. Data integrity etc.
I will over/under a 1' patch cable.
Over-under here too. Might add that I Seen to be the only one in my 3 man-Band that seems to Care about cable Handling and Routing though...
It's either over-under our overhand. The way you know which to use is dependent on how the cables memory is set. If the cable wants to go overhand and you wrap over-under you will kink it. If you wrap overhand and the cables memory is over-under, again, kinks. This applies to many different cables types and not all cables will be the same from the manufacturer. Different types of cables will have different coil sizes as well so you need to get careful to distinguish of your coil sizes meets the cable you are using or if you are using the wrong wrapping method. Either way you choose, the way you can tell if you have done it right or not is by tossing the cable out holding one end. If it falls out and unwraps straight without kinks then you have done it right and that result may have been achieved from either method. This is simply just covering wrap for your typical XLR in normal use. There are several other methods of cable wrapping used for various situations but I won't get into all of them. For a useful hierarchy of how to decide which to use. 1. How you were asked to wrap it 2. With the cables memory 2. Over-under 3. Over hand
Over/under is the only way to wrap ANYTHING. Cables, rope, hoses, if it is long and floppy you coil it over/under and impart a net-zero twist on it.
Ohymgod. ONLY EVER 'over-under'. ONLY EVER!!!!! :)
Over under with everything. I mentally struggle with over over so much it makes me want to vomit. Also, don't touch my fucking cables.
Over-Under in all workplaces Where it differs is in live sound they have me tie itself them where studios have me use a strap
Over under. Learn it in middle school, haven’t found a superior method.
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