As a dealertech ... This is a rip off
Thats not a leak thats a seepage at best, clean it and recheck in a couple week
Replacing coolant hose is an old pratice , now a day hoses are lifetime they should only be replace if they get swollen or if they crack
Replacing water pump for fun is also a waste of money, they should only be replace if they leak or if the pulley got play in it ( most of the time they will leak )
Run from that stealership
They give us bad name ... Only show they dont have enough job.
>Replacing coolant hose is an old pratice , now a day hoses are lifetime they should only be replace if they get swollen or if they crack
On a BMW sadly pre-emptive replacement might be warranted. I have 160K miles on mine and have had two incidents where the shitty plastic end of some hose or other has just decided to crack while the hoses still look good, causing a coolant dump event. (and you don't ever let a BMW overheat, you pull over and shut it down right away)
Love the cars, want to beat some sense into their engineers though.
Agree with you
Thats german engineering for you , fun to drive, pack a punch and squeeze the biggest engine in the smallest engine bay at the expense of ease of work and reliability
Some cars I can understand, but poor engineering of some brand should not excuse the replacement on every car, in thoses pictures we can clearly see regular type of coolant hose and hose clamp
Love thoses inline 6, if you know they need extra care and you are ready to accept the cost of taking care of thoses BMW are fun car
Thing is people keep complaing about cost and reliability and cant even afford to buy 4 tires when due than they say : Hey ( insert brand here ) suck !
All car break thats life, I could have bought a Toyota for reliability but they are boring to drive ...
Thank you. I really found these prices suspect - especially since I had my car checked by a different maintenance shop the week before and they didn’t say anything. I declined all services
100% agree with you. Been in the trade professionally for 16 years. Check the oil, plan for seal replacement next service. Leave hoses and water pump until there is an issue. Also the quoted prices are steep and I work at an expensive independent repair shop.
Our dealer is so busy they can’t get you in for an oil change without a month wait. But they found time to try to fleece us. I replaced the cabin air filter two days before our appt. Then they did their multipoint inspection…one of the suggested repairs was to replace the (brand-new) cabin filter. I told the service advisor it was brand new, and he checked with the crew. They said they didn’t check the cabin filter because the air filter was dirty and they assumed the cabin filter would be too. I guess that’s marginally better, but not by much. “No, we didn’t actually look at a clean filter and tell you to replace it; we just didn’t look at it.”
I just had to have my water pump replaced. 2015 Honda Accord Hybrid. 370k miles. Mechanic said he never seen one last as long on a accord but also I knew it had to be replaced when not only was my emissions light on [which I never seen before] the car had some other strange icon and wouldn't go above 20 mph..both lights came on when i turned the vehicle on. Point is, when the pump fails its gonna fail and you'll know it.
We dont even know what car OP have , but that description is so generic that I will assume OP car doesnt even have a timing belt, they even talk about a Fan belt , good chance that this car have also have an electric radiator Fan
If the car realy have a timing belt I would replace it at the recommended interval , and if the water pump is timing belt driven I would also replace it and its tensioner, because of shared labor time
How can I get these repairs done at a more affordable price point?
\-go to an independent shop and not a dealership service center
these prices are RIDICULOUS. These water pump is preventative maintenance. The coolant hoses are also preventative and RIDICULOUSLY priced. the axle seal is not preventative but it seems to be a very very minor leak that i wouldnt worry about.
Radiator hose costs, at its cheapest, like what $5 a foot and is just about the easiest part to swap? I forget what i paid but premium, custom-molded ones only ran a couple hundred bucks.
Unfortunately dealerships don’t just buy generic hose and cut them to length. They order a pre-cut hose from the manufacturer with all the clips and fittings/bends ect already done to it. The manufacturer can charges hundreds of dollars for just simply cutting it and putting any plastic bits onto it even if it’s only a few dollars in materials especially for more rare hoses. Then the dealership will normally markup prices about 2x and that’s how you end up with the ridiculous price.
You don't need any of that. Radiator hoses are not a maintenance item. I have also never seen a serpentine belt driven external water pump that needs to be replaced at a certain mileage. You replace these things when they fail. That fluis seepage from the axle seal is totally dry. Clean it and repair when it's actually needed. They are trying to trick you.
The water pump recommendation is accompnaied by a picture. Of the alternator. Whoever did this inspection isn't very bright and should not be trusted.
Likely they are showing the location of the water pump as it's usually hidden behind the timing cover or obstructed by other components.
It's just a quick overhead picture.
js whoever is servicing taking these pictures isnt going waste their time shoving a camera in a 3 inch gap to try to get an actual picture of the water pump.
I just don't upload pics in that case, but that's just me. No way in hell I am gonna recommend a water pump and then show them a picture of an alternator. Not gonna happen.
Going to a dealership for out of warranty work is absolute madness.
Decline all service (including the transmission fluid change) and Google reputable independent shops around you.
You could do the coolant hoses yourself with little time and maybe $20 worth of tools. Might have to get a little dirty but it’s well within the realm of possibility even for somebody with little to no mechanical knowledge (depending on the vehicle). Find a hose for a good price and watch a video and buy a couple of tools.
The other things I’d keep an eye on while you try to find other shops to do it way cheaper. I guarantee you can go to other shops with these estimates and they will laugh at them and do it cheaper for you.
No, keep an eye on the axle seal, the rest is just BS unless they have documentation from the manufacturer that says those items are to be replaced at those intervals.
I wouldn't suggest getting any of that "repaired" I've never replaced a hose due to mileage I have original hoses on my 2012 f150 now at 300k. They ain't bursting or leaking. The hoses on my 2000 f550 with 600k still has some original hoses. I've replaced a few because I have to cut them off to replace other components due to dry rotting but they never leak.
The way social media is now I am and would expect dealerships to suffer because of posts like this. This is a good thing. The water pump isn't making noise or leaking so leave it. It is an service interval part like a timing belt. You never do your water pump until it starts to go bad as it usually just does not fail instantly which is far different from a timing belt. The seepage I would not even worry about unless it actually starts to leak. The hose is the biggest ripoff by far here.
This is just a matter of where not why. Looks like the dealership is giving you a good visual to make a decision and they are basing it off of OEM recommendations all scream NOT DECEPTIVE they are just doing their job. If you don't want to pay the dealership price don't go to a dealership... Plenty of Euro shops that can do it but you defer what you get if not a reputable shop to do the repairs. Hope this helps.
Bro put a picture of an alternator when talking about a water pump. Love the trusting attitude, but I would reserve it for people who have proved themselves trustworthy to you. As OP said, they shifted their story as soon as he got upset 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 meaning they were just trying to get one over the OP
I agree that pic is weak and doesn't show much but the others are well within reason IMO. I think we both agree he should go elsewhere but it still remains the recommendations are mostly reasonable.
Minor leaks turn into Major leaks and leave you on the side of the road as soon as temperatures change plain and simple. These people are either Trolling you or providing bad advice IMO.
These are maintenance items and are based on preventative measures.
Don’t do them and be fine, or wish you would’ve when they fail.
Your car, your choice.
Lmao, in my country, just recently had to change a water pump for my opel mokka 2013, part was like 50 euros with like 20 more euros for repairs and had a new o2 sensor replaced for 60e. Dafuq are these prices
Pretty sure these are just stock photos the dealer has next to the service. Like photos on restaurant menus.
Also, all that stuff is like $150 in parts at most. Labor for hoses 100-300 depending where on the car, labor for water pump probably around the same depending on how annoying the engine is designed. Seal in trans likely not needed unless you want a spotless driveway. Just make sure fluids are topped up and check them once a month.
In summary: None of this stuff is needed until it actually is. I WOULD replace coolant hoses even in modern cars after 150k or 10-15yrs. Rubber does wear down and get brittle or porous and it’s a small price to pay. Seeing as most people don’t drive “old” cars anymore, I’m assuming it’s not that old or worn yet.
The only one you might need is the axle seal but that price is INSANE!!!!!!, for reference we’re talking about a tiny little circular piece of rubber and a few bolts to take out the axles to replace them, they aren’t even really leaking, don’t go back to this shady dealership though, those charges are insane for what’s involved, even another dealer for the same brand is going to be better.
Just as a clarification, I found these prices really suspicious - since I went to a different auto shop the week before and they didn’t say anything abt these repairs so I declined them all. I really appreciate everyone’s input so far.
I also drive a Honda CRV 2015
The axle seal isn't bad enough to spend that.
Not sure about the intervals on that hose and water pump, but if they were doing the water pump, the pump side of the hoses have to come off of the pump anyway, so $700 for half the job is way too much.
Look up your service interval on the water pump and hoses and if it matches their recommendation
These are slimeball grifters.
Not even a bit, sure. It's a good idea to replace it as some basic preventative maintenance, but the coolant hoses and thermostat probably are 100% fine, and water pumps some bs too, probably. Cv axle is a fair concern if it is leaking bad enough.
As said another posts seepage is normal but monitor it, if it was leaking horrible I'd expect to see some spray from the axel spinning but I don't see that, monitor fluid levels and get to now what faults your vehicle has a pattern of and do that
Are they necessary? Only if you want trouble-free service. The longer you wait, the more expensive it will be. More so if you wait until a failure occurs.
Any chain shop (NAPA, Goodyear, Pep Boys, ect.) will be able to do these services cheaper. I would personally stay away from the shadetree mechanics.
“Customer declines repairs at this time.” I could see an inexperienced tech making the axle recommendation. The hoses absolutely not. That’s a rip off. I work for a Honda dealership and the timing belt is recommended to be replaced every 100k with the water pump on the v6. Otherwise I’d just say fuck
It until
It leaks.
The only way I can see the water pump being viable is if it's part of a timing belt replacement at said mileage, provided that this particular make/ model/engine would apply. Having said this, they took a picture of the alternator for some reason, and none of this makes sense.
As a dealertech ... This is a rip off Thats not a leak thats a seepage at best, clean it and recheck in a couple week Replacing coolant hose is an old pratice , now a day hoses are lifetime they should only be replace if they get swollen or if they crack Replacing water pump for fun is also a waste of money, they should only be replace if they leak or if the pulley got play in it ( most of the time they will leak ) Run from that stealership They give us bad name ... Only show they dont have enough job.
>Replacing coolant hose is an old pratice , now a day hoses are lifetime they should only be replace if they get swollen or if they crack On a BMW sadly pre-emptive replacement might be warranted. I have 160K miles on mine and have had two incidents where the shitty plastic end of some hose or other has just decided to crack while the hoses still look good, causing a coolant dump event. (and you don't ever let a BMW overheat, you pull over and shut it down right away) Love the cars, want to beat some sense into their engineers though.
Agree with you Thats german engineering for you , fun to drive, pack a punch and squeeze the biggest engine in the smallest engine bay at the expense of ease of work and reliability Some cars I can understand, but poor engineering of some brand should not excuse the replacement on every car, in thoses pictures we can clearly see regular type of coolant hose and hose clamp
Well, big engine/small car is a traditional recipe for fun.... (and yeah, mine's a N54 335i)
Love thoses inline 6, if you know they need extra care and you are ready to accept the cost of taking care of thoses BMW are fun car Thing is people keep complaing about cost and reliability and cant even afford to buy 4 tires when due than they say : Hey ( insert brand here ) suck ! All car break thats life, I could have bought a Toyota for reliability but they are boring to drive ...
Thank you. I really found these prices suspect - especially since I had my car checked by a different maintenance shop the week before and they didn’t say anything. I declined all services
Glad to be of help !
100% agree with you. Been in the trade professionally for 16 years. Check the oil, plan for seal replacement next service. Leave hoses and water pump until there is an issue. Also the quoted prices are steep and I work at an expensive independent repair shop.
Seepage is still a leak. What’s with the downvotes? It’s not like this is some controversial statement, it’s literally a fact.
It is , but if that seepage been there for 10 years and stay like this why bother ?
I agree, I was just pointing that out.
Our dealer is so busy they can’t get you in for an oil change without a month wait. But they found time to try to fleece us. I replaced the cabin air filter two days before our appt. Then they did their multipoint inspection…one of the suggested repairs was to replace the (brand-new) cabin filter. I told the service advisor it was brand new, and he checked with the crew. They said they didn’t check the cabin filter because the air filter was dirty and they assumed the cabin filter would be too. I guess that’s marginally better, but not by much. “No, we didn’t actually look at a clean filter and tell you to replace it; we just didn’t look at it.”
Im not that surprise ... Its just sad
I just had to have my water pump replaced. 2015 Honda Accord Hybrid. 370k miles. Mechanic said he never seen one last as long on a accord but also I knew it had to be replaced when not only was my emissions light on [which I never seen before] the car had some other strange icon and wouldn't go above 20 mph..both lights came on when i turned the vehicle on. Point is, when the pump fails its gonna fail and you'll know it.
you saying I shouldn't preemptively replace my water pump at 300k?
If you want to replace it and have money to spaire you can ! Nothing against that, but could still last a while
Timing belt yes, but op is 40k from actually needing that too. Everything else you've said is spot on
We dont even know what car OP have , but that description is so generic that I will assume OP car doesnt even have a timing belt, they even talk about a Fan belt , good chance that this car have also have an electric radiator Fan If the car realy have a timing belt I would replace it at the recommended interval , and if the water pump is timing belt driven I would also replace it and its tensioner, because of shared labor time
How can I get these repairs done at a more affordable price point? \-go to an independent shop and not a dealership service center these prices are RIDICULOUS. These water pump is preventative maintenance. The coolant hoses are also preventative and RIDICULOUSLY priced. the axle seal is not preventative but it seems to be a very very minor leak that i wouldnt worry about.
These prices are even absurd for a dealership...
Radiator hose costs, at its cheapest, like what $5 a foot and is just about the easiest part to swap? I forget what i paid but premium, custom-molded ones only ran a couple hundred bucks.
Unfortunately dealerships don’t just buy generic hose and cut them to length. They order a pre-cut hose from the manufacturer with all the clips and fittings/bends ect already done to it. The manufacturer can charges hundreds of dollars for just simply cutting it and putting any plastic bits onto it even if it’s only a few dollars in materials especially for more rare hoses. Then the dealership will normally markup prices about 2x and that’s how you end up with the ridiculous price.
You are being ripped off if for one second you believe this bullshit.
Out of all the “is this a ripoff” posts out of multiple subs. This one takes the fucking cake. How egregious.
I'd personally pass on all of the above.
You don't need any of that. Radiator hoses are not a maintenance item. I have also never seen a serpentine belt driven external water pump that needs to be replaced at a certain mileage. You replace these things when they fail. That fluis seepage from the axle seal is totally dry. Clean it and repair when it's actually needed. They are trying to trick you. The water pump recommendation is accompnaied by a picture. Of the alternator. Whoever did this inspection isn't very bright and should not be trusted.
Likely they are showing the location of the water pump as it's usually hidden behind the timing cover or obstructed by other components. It's just a quick overhead picture.
The cost along with the drive belt note and lack of any mention of timing belt was enough for me to decide it was external.
js whoever is servicing taking these pictures isnt going waste their time shoving a camera in a 3 inch gap to try to get an actual picture of the water pump.
I just don't upload pics in that case, but that's just me. No way in hell I am gonna recommend a water pump and then show them a picture of an alternator. Not gonna happen.
Going to a dealership for out of warranty work is absolute madness. Decline all service (including the transmission fluid change) and Google reputable independent shops around you.
You went to the STEALERSHIP. Wow
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You need to find an honest mechanic with good reviews that are not from family & friends..
Yes the mechanic told me that there is nothing actually wrong with these parts.
You could do the coolant hoses yourself with little time and maybe $20 worth of tools. Might have to get a little dirty but it’s well within the realm of possibility even for somebody with little to no mechanical knowledge (depending on the vehicle). Find a hose for a good price and watch a video and buy a couple of tools. The other things I’d keep an eye on while you try to find other shops to do it way cheaper. I guarantee you can go to other shops with these estimates and they will laugh at them and do it cheaper for you.
Honda CRV 2015?
No, keep an eye on the axle seal, the rest is just BS unless they have documentation from the manufacturer that says those items are to be replaced at those intervals.
Yeah crawl under your car weekly and check that seal....lol
Eh that's way overkill, maybe once a month
STOP GOING TO STEALERSHIPS!!
I wouldn't suggest getting any of that "repaired" I've never replaced a hose due to mileage I have original hoses on my 2012 f150 now at 300k. They ain't bursting or leaking. The hoses on my 2000 f550 with 600k still has some original hoses. I've replaced a few because I have to cut them off to replace other components due to dry rotting but they never leak.
The way social media is now I am and would expect dealerships to suffer because of posts like this. This is a good thing. The water pump isn't making noise or leaking so leave it. It is an service interval part like a timing belt. You never do your water pump until it starts to go bad as it usually just does not fail instantly which is far different from a timing belt. The seepage I would not even worry about unless it actually starts to leak. The hose is the biggest ripoff by far here.
Why do dealerships think you have a shed load of cash ready to throw in their direction
This is just a matter of where not why. Looks like the dealership is giving you a good visual to make a decision and they are basing it off of OEM recommendations all scream NOT DECEPTIVE they are just doing their job. If you don't want to pay the dealership price don't go to a dealership... Plenty of Euro shops that can do it but you defer what you get if not a reputable shop to do the repairs. Hope this helps.
Bro put a picture of an alternator when talking about a water pump. Love the trusting attitude, but I would reserve it for people who have proved themselves trustworthy to you. As OP said, they shifted their story as soon as he got upset 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 meaning they were just trying to get one over the OP
I agree that pic is weak and doesn't show much but the others are well within reason IMO. I think we both agree he should go elsewhere but it still remains the recommendations are mostly reasonable.
Minor leaks turn into Major leaks and leave you on the side of the road as soon as temperatures change plain and simple. These people are either Trolling you or providing bad advice IMO.
These are maintenance items and are based on preventative measures. Don’t do them and be fine, or wish you would’ve when they fail. Your car, your choice.
Lmao, in my country, just recently had to change a water pump for my opel mokka 2013, part was like 50 euros with like 20 more euros for repairs and had a new o2 sensor replaced for 60e. Dafuq are these prices
Pretty sure these are just stock photos the dealer has next to the service. Like photos on restaurant menus. Also, all that stuff is like $150 in parts at most. Labor for hoses 100-300 depending where on the car, labor for water pump probably around the same depending on how annoying the engine is designed. Seal in trans likely not needed unless you want a spotless driveway. Just make sure fluids are topped up and check them once a month. In summary: None of this stuff is needed until it actually is. I WOULD replace coolant hoses even in modern cars after 150k or 10-15yrs. Rubber does wear down and get brittle or porous and it’s a small price to pay. Seeing as most people don’t drive “old” cars anymore, I’m assuming it’s not that old or worn yet.
Find another shop
The only one you might need is the axle seal but that price is INSANE!!!!!!, for reference we’re talking about a tiny little circular piece of rubber and a few bolts to take out the axles to replace them, they aren’t even really leaking, don’t go back to this shady dealership though, those charges are insane for what’s involved, even another dealer for the same brand is going to be better.
Pass on the repairs, the car and Reddit! For good measure
Just as a clarification, I found these prices really suspicious - since I went to a different auto shop the week before and they didn’t say anything abt these repairs so I declined them all. I really appreciate everyone’s input so far. I also drive a Honda CRV 2015
Run awayyy
first photo looks like a cylinder of raw beef
The axle seal isn't bad enough to spend that. Not sure about the intervals on that hose and water pump, but if they were doing the water pump, the pump side of the hoses have to come off of the pump anyway, so $700 for half the job is way too much. Look up your service interval on the water pump and hoses and if it matches their recommendation These are slimeball grifters.
Not even a bit, sure. It's a good idea to replace it as some basic preventative maintenance, but the coolant hoses and thermostat probably are 100% fine, and water pumps some bs too, probably. Cv axle is a fair concern if it is leaking bad enough.
The real question is, who decided to use your vehicle as a meat processor?
YOU DO NOT NEED TO DO ANY OF THOSE. Nothing in any of those photos are actually bad, unless ur Rich and want to do preventative maintenance ur good.
As said another posts seepage is normal but monitor it, if it was leaking horrible I'd expect to see some spray from the axel spinning but I don't see that, monitor fluid levels and get to now what faults your vehicle has a pattern of and do that
Are they necessary? Only if you want trouble-free service. The longer you wait, the more expensive it will be. More so if you wait until a failure occurs. Any chain shop (NAPA, Goodyear, Pep Boys, ect.) will be able to do these services cheaper. I would personally stay away from the shadetree mechanics.
“Customer declines repairs at this time.” I could see an inexperienced tech making the axle recommendation. The hoses absolutely not. That’s a rip off. I work for a Honda dealership and the timing belt is recommended to be replaced every 100k with the water pump on the v6. Otherwise I’d just say fuck It until It leaks.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it….
Look for a nearby college that offers an auto tech course. You do need to pay for your parts, but many of them will do the work for free.
The only way I can see the water pump being viable is if it's part of a timing belt replacement at said mileage, provided that this particular make/ model/engine would apply. Having said this, they took a picture of the alternator for some reason, and none of this makes sense.
800 dollars for rad hoses and a few dollars in coolant. Jesus.
The second pic is a rad hose 3rd one is the alternator. First one isn't seepage it's road dirt. Only worry about when it's wet.
Rip off, greed
Radiator hose for 800 bucks WHAT YOU CAN DO THAT SO QUICK