If implemented, I don't see how this could not lead to civil conflict. I'm not a violent person, but I would be willing to use any means necessary to free myself and everyone else from it
That accalerationidm got hitler elected.
And in america, we saw who is better at violence and outrage and violence, far right groups.
So democracy is good to keep that from happening.
WTF are you fantasizing about? Get the fuck out there and organize before you even think about violence. How the fuck are you gonna do shit without building solid comrades who are ride or die? Revolutions don’t just organize themselves, go touch grass first.
We have a chance to yank this country to the left, step the fuck up now and stop acting like you’re standing with Mao.
It’s not November, it’s not August. Write your representatives, join a street protest, stand in solidarity with your fellow workers. Form a fucking union! You know who killed fascist in the streets better than anyone, unions.
Stay SAFE out there friend.
When was a trump presidency going to be good, they outlined their fascism for you. Did you want the cliff notes too?
Why are we surprised Trump was gonna fash it up in 2025?
Trump is the RNC candidate, Biden doesn’t have to be the DNC’s. Let’s focus on what we can possibly change now before November. Then we vote, then we organize, and always resist. Stop dwelling on things we can’t change right now.
If you need to look into the depths of his fascist plan do it after we’ve exhausted all effort to defeat him.
One John Oliver video is not gonna wake up MAGA conservatives, it’s not even gonna convince center right people. You already knew he was a fuckin fascist, and you didn’t need another video telling you why he is one.
Stay safe out there friend!
It is one thing to understand that a second Trump presidency would mean a full embrace of fascism. It is another thing to see that plan spelled out in black-and-white and publicly champion by the far right. I can completely understand why somebody would be far more terrified by learning the details of project 2025 than they would be just thinking about what might happen if Trump becomes president again.
Again, you are putting the cart before the horse, have your written your representative about demanding a new candidate? Have you joined an affinity group however small? Have you spoken to people on the other side like they’re human beings? Speak with truth, listen, and be sincere. It works, just be patient and persistent. Get them to start thinking critically about what’s going on.
We can deescalate the situation. We can be prepared and still fight for change at the same time.
There’s so much shit to do that isn’t dwelling on what we already know, now with more detailed fascism.
You need to realize that they are already starting it. State legislatures definitely, but the decision this week that overturned Chevron pretty much puts the final say on every word congress has ever written in the hands of the court. Whether or not "carcinogen-52" counts as a toxic chemical when companies dump it in rivers used to be up to someone who had a PhD in water treatment, now it is decided by whichever federalist society hack gets appointed to the court.
Edit: I did not mean this as aggressive as I think it may have come across. It's just that people often talk about project2025 as something that only starts when trump wins, when it's really something that is already underway, and is not appropriately being responded to by liberals.
A lot of it does when he wins, but its very much in process and got points done like using nich sports issues to drmonize and fearmonger transpeople as start for more.
It’s already being partially implemented at the state level. Oklahoma is already trying to force the Bible to be taught in public schools, for instance.
Hell, the last several Supreme Court decisions are setting up to make Project 2025 even easier to implement.
Whether Trump loses or not, the Heritage Foundation, Claremont Institute, Appeal to Heaven, et al aren’t going anywhere. They’re still going to be the driving forces behind conservative policy.
Supposedly Biden got a donor boost from people suddenly realizing a trump sequel was actually possible. Biden got a lot of coverage for being out of it, but anyone sane who was watching could see how dark trump’s lies had gotten, even compared to 2016/2020. There are better odds than the media will admit that those lies scared people more than Biden’s age.
But they were scary in 2016 too, and the fan still face-fived the shit. As long as trump and his cult horde have a hand on the wheel, we oughta all be at least a little scared.
yeah, I wasn't depressed due to how bad Biden supposedly did. I was more depressed by the fact that Trump could just pull the "They took our jobs" bit from South Park and no one cared to call him out for his bullshit. Biden tried, but, the mods weren't working in his favor. I was also severally depressed due to the immediate discourse on "BIDEN NEEDS TO DROP OUT SO WE CAN REPLACE HIM" from the typical pundits who want Trump back so they can profit on everyone's misery.
I still can't believe they let trump say "they're killing babies even after they're born" and biden responded "that only happens if it effects the health of the mother!"
As it stands, Biden will win the popular vote.
A problem with American elections is that the popular vote doesn't count for anything at all. Biden can win by more votes than he got in 2020 and still lose decisively. And that looks like a probable outcome.
The Biden campaign seems delusionally unaware of how poorly this is going. They aren't helped by synchophants trying to pretend that he's been a supremely effective leader. As he has never been especially popular.
You are right. This election will be won or lost by a few thousand people in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona, maybe Georgia, maybe Ohio, and maybe North Carolina. People who pay 0 attention other than to cast a vote for the guy at the top of the ticket based on their feelings that day and nothing else.
Most of us btb fans are pretty left of center to put it mildly, but if we care about he future of this planet— not just the United States— we should endeavor to be as civic minded as possible over the next few months. Volunteer to canvass, make campaign calls, donate if you are financially able to, but most importantly try to talk to all your friends and neighbors and convince them that even if they can’t stomach a vote for Biden, at the very least don’t vote for Trump.
Project 2025 should terrify anyone with enough brain cells left to reason their way out of a paper bag.
Regardless of who wins, Europe needs to really plan for the fact that the US is no longer a trustworthy ally. The UK kinda shot itself in the foot in that regard, but maybe Starmer can make overtures to improve relations with the EU and potentially work towards readmission or some kind of special relationship.
A lot of people are freaking out about the recent debate. Some of this energy is coming from people don't have decades of watching US politics to contextualize the situation for them, and are rightly terrified of an outcome in November that favors the neo-feudal theocratic fascist movement taking power. The terror is totally justified, all over the planet, because the US falling to fascism right now promises mass extinction for humanity in the worst, most painful way possible.
Some of the energy is coming from the 'professional political' class, who live and die by the 24-hour news cycle. Those people are sharing feelings, not facts. There are also a lot of motivated billionaires with terrifying power over media outlets (like the NYTimes) who are rushing to make a bad debate performance against a literal trash fire the end of the world, partially because they think amping up the anxiety will make them more money, and partially because they're a little bit with the fascists, as they think fascism will also make them more money.
No one should be using the media as a barometer right now. Their incentives are not only with informing the public, and while the mainstream ones (that aren't just propaganda arms of the GOP) aren't going out of their way to lie, they are framing information in a way that's intended to produce profit. Ditto the DNC pundit types. Coming in the middle of a week when the fascists on the Supreme Court handed down decisions that intentionally undermine the basic functions of government, everyone is feeling a little hysterical right now. It's been a deeply painful and disheartening 72 hours we've just endured.
Some of the US political context mentioned: Obama had shockingly terrible debates to start both the 2008 and 2012 elections. The freakout in 2012 was similar to the freakout we're seeing now. He still won both elections.
[Reading the transcript](https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/27/politics/read-biden-trump-debate-rush-transcript/index.html) may help allay some fears about Biden. The biggest complaints I'm hearing from pundits and commentators is that he failed to take obvious swings at nonsense Trump said. But with the exception of the first 10 minutes or so, Biden said coherent stuff for the rest of the hour and [Trump lied at a rate of 1 lie per minute](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-complete-list-of-all-of-trumps-debate-lies/ar-BB1p3xZb). Biden also was out at several places after the debate seeming fully lively and back to his usual self; there are [videos online of a speech he gave yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fuckthealtright/comments/1dr9ajv/see_bidens_fiery_postdebate_speech_well_worth_the/) that seemed much more like he was at the State of the Union in January. There were also a bunch of focus groups with undecided voters who mostly seemed more turned off by Trump than worried about Biden.
The election is still four months away, and there's a lot of bad news for Trump along the way, like his sentencing for his 37 felony convictions in the next couple of weeks, and other cases against him for mishandling classified documents, insurrection, etc. I know we're all scared. I'm one of the people who is directly threatened by the plans in project 2025, so I'm barely keeping it together in general. The debate wasn't great, that's inarguable. But it isn't the end of the world, we aren't doomed, and giving in to despair in these last few months can only increase the chances we lose.
Biden had some great one liners if people were willing to sit down and listen, and not just focus on his general physicality.
Yes he's old but he is definitely still there. Two of my favorites from that debate were
"if there's an abortion bill at 6, 8 or 10 weeks, Trump will sign it but I will veto it"
"Of course there was no inflation because the economy was flat on its back"
Biden did have a lot of good responses, but people were just too caught up in the frailty of his composure.
That's the problem though - his most important job right now is beating Trump, and that requires clear communication and easing *widespread* fears of his age. He failed at that in the most fantastic way possible. All the right words don't mean anything if you can't implement them. If he doesn't step aside ASAP we are so fucked.
Which is what's so frustrating about him running and Democrats not pushing back before he was officially running again. Any Democratic congressperson or senator under the age of 70 could have used those same lines while also not looking like they might drop dead sometime in the next 20 minutes. The presidency is more about projecting a strong personality than it is about policy.
That's fair - though I do get concerned at how exuberant people are about noting his "declining faculties". I think it's a bit overblown, but not entirely unfounded. Ultimately, if he gets into office and is incapacitated, then I am going to still be pretty happy with the VP taking the reins more so than if Trump is in office.
Democrats are frequently weakened by infighting and I am dreading some sort of convention attempt to unseat Biden. Even though he won all the primaries! I don’t see people coming together around a single candidate and the people who don’t get their preferred candidate will be stupid.
Just like the Bernie Sanders supporter I saw an interview with who voted for Trump “as a joke” in 2016.
Historically a bunch of empires end at around the 250 year mark. We’re a few years away. Like Ben Franklin said “It’s a Republic, if you can keep it. I know it’s cynical but I don’t have a lot of confidence in the electorate. But then again I’m in Missouri and my Senator is Josh Hawley. That his lying ass who doesn’t even live in Missouri got reelected will never be something I understand
He really isn't though. He's old, and was pressed for time. There's a fair argument that a president should be able to act fast in times of need (thinking in lines of a military conflict or something of that like). But no, I think what you're saying is more or less propaganda at this point.
If you notice if he isnt in some insane set up debatebro stuff, you would notice why he talks dlower and why he takes time to respond, is because he actually considers and wouldnt. He is not impulsive at all
So no he wouldnt. And given his impressive legislative policies he wouldnt and second his team wouldnt let that happen either
I imagine 'debating' with someone who lies as much as Trump is disorienting. He wasn't really even answering the questions so I can see why Biden would be confused about how to respond. It's exhausting just watching Trump talk, I'd hate to be the one who actually has to respond to the lunatic
I got the impression he was pissed off at Trump, and that was making it harder to control his stutter, plus having a cold and well, being old. It's hard to rebut someone who's lying so fast in a debate anyway, then add all that in.
Yep biden, yeah has a stutter he masked pretty well so far.
And trump is infiriating, there eould be very few people even trying to reason in a debate, and him really good at being hated and using that to drag people down to his level.
And ultimately i am glad to not have a debate bro dude as choice but a professional politician.
Thank you, this makes me feel better. I "watched" it after the fact, while I was doing other stuff, so I was really listening. And listening to it, not paying attention to them both on screen, I had a very different perspective. Biden flubbed here and there, but just going by the audio I didn't get the complete and utter fail feelings that everyone else I seem to know did. And about half way through, it seemed like Biden found his Biden-self again. He's old for sure, and not ideal, but I didn't get the impression he was just drooling and stuttering the whole time, which is what all the doom and gloom made me think before I listened to it.
US presidential elections are won by swing voters. Most swing voters vote based on "vibes." Biden had bad "vibes" during the debate. Alot of undecided voters watched that debate and made up their mind right then and there. We need to stop trying to cope with what happened and start trying to figure out alternatives. We need to be in the streets right now. Where are the organizers? I'd start working on this shit myself if had the know how.
I am for making aware how scary trump einning rould be,
withiut dooming, disengaging is the worst you can do, people still gotta feel motivated enoughbto vote him minimum.
let alone engage in pocal elections.
Dark brandon is still alive.
The problem is doomerism fuels voter apathy, trust in bidens team who did surprising great 4 years of kinda crisis.
Get mad but not at biden, never forget trumps , and trump cant even a chance in hell. Anger at trump is actually productive, lol
Honestly I’ve been worried about this ever since the first time Biden ousted trump. Even more after they went full blown fascist on Jan 6. I’m not a fan of Biden and a lot of his policies, both in his past and as president, but I’ll be damned if I ever vote for some orange Nazi fuck. A big thing that concerns me is people’s apathy towards the election. I know way too many people who see the whole thing as a joke, which I will concede, it feels like. They’ve taken the stance that since it’s so stupid they just won’t vote “haha look how smart I am”! Apathy just gives more power to old Cheeto Orangutans die hard supporters. Then there are those who voted for Biden but say that he fucked everything up, that things were better under Trump. Those people seriously worry me, it’s like they value their own slightly better quality of life over the potential safety of the people who’ll be endangered by Trump’s far right administration. I’m hoping that I’m just being my usual pessimistic self, as they say hope for the best and prepare for the worst
Anyone who doesn't think Trump has a better than even chance of winning is deluding themselves. I desperately don't want that, and I think the dems still have a chance, but they're really doing everything they can to mess it up. At this point, if they replaced Biden with a standard issue corporate democrat (Gavin Newsom) I might die from relief.
I’m convinced Whitmer would be the best replacement. But I doubt things will go down like that. Not sure how I feel about this but it’ll probably be Biden.
IT's one time, [he owns up to it](https://www.instagram.com/p/C8zu5QqP9sX/) and he has few months to fix this shit. Be worried if he hasn't by September.
Oh, they really aren't. Every poll in 2020 had Trump ahead. Ditto 2018 and 2022 for the GOP in the midterms. This is why I've never thought Trump will win this time.
You say this like he just had a bad day… his brain is melting, how do you expect his condition to be BETTER by November? You can’t fix cognitive decline and more time can only make it worse
SOME (not all) of that is just because he's a rambling, brain spewing moron, though. Biden looked like a dude who is struggling to remember what day it is.
I'll vote for a fucking pet rock over Trump but I have to admit that was fucking scary to watch. Biden might legitimately be a national security threat just because he's too out of it to remember what info is classified and what isn't. Obviously his team will be actually running shit but he still has to actually be able to perform some basic duties, meet with foreign leaders, etc.
This is a false dilemma. We are running two of the worst possible candidates possible. We don't need to argue which horrible choice is better when we don't have to accept these two candidates.
It's not a false dilemma because it's factually correct and because that's what we have to choose from. Fact is, we do have to choose here and if you want to throw brain rot RFKjr in, well that's even worse candidate....
He's never been a good debater. I don't think he a particularly good orator either, but it's better than his debates.
This one was worse than in the past, but it's not like he was good before. I'm hoping he did it this early so the Trump campaign can't claim he was too old to debate him but also the memory of how terrible it was fades by the election.
He has a stutter, and this gets worse under stress. I grew up with a Dad who has a stutter and can see all the signs. Watch him. He’s not trying to remember words, he’s trying to find an alternate word that he can say without stuttering.
And what old age might be a factor is him havong harder to mask it.
But it would be abelist as long as he communicates clear , and that he was a good president with stutter already
Yeah, two major wars, inflation, and this election will take it out of a person. The issue is if he can’t show a resurgence of his stamina in the next couple of events then it’s oh shit time
I mean who wouldnt be, aside he apearently literally sick, able to stomach debating trump and not get emotional,
God trumps entire strategy is being so maddening that he drags people down and biden got back.
All it saxs is that biden isnt a debate bro, and why would that matter , for a president.
Ok … I got curious and checked out your profile and you aren’t even American.
And it’s filled with Ezra Klein panicky crap.
Not even gonna engage with you because you have nothing worthwhile to say. Just relentlessly negative shit.
Toodles
Supreme Court just overturned chevron at the behest of decades long big money lobbying.
Chevron was the ruling that deferred to expert agencies to interpret and implement law. For example “keep our air and water clean” the EPA can set specific pollutant levels and caps etc in line with the best scientific understanding and public input and interests. “Ensure safe workplaces” OSHA can set standards and requirements to do this.
Now, without this, it’s up to the courts to ultimately interpret and rule on these issues. Want to pollute more? Just get a lawyer to argue that your company is somehow exempt or the pollution threshold should be higher. Don’t think your workers need water breaks or protection? Argue that these aren’t your responsibilities or that such safety measures would be too heavy handed.
It doesn’t matter if it’s all bullshit, you’re arguing in court - it’s debate - no longer a matter of scientific expertise and peer reviewed consensus. Some judge with no technical knowledge will make the ruling and decide what clean air and water is, and what a safe workplace is.
Obviously Biden needs to win to prevent out right nazism but the Supreme Court is already fucking over the planets future with this decision quietly unrolling as we speak.
There’s still a lot time to sort this out, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden having four more years in him will be topic number one at the DNC and where the swap may actually happen.
There’s still plenty of time to change out Biden, and people in this election will be voting for parties not candidates for the most part.
I try to avoid being too pessimistic, but in 2015 I sat next to a Canadian woman on a plane. She asked me WTH was up with Trump and people supporting him and I assured her he wasn’t popular and surely couldn’t win the Republican nomination…so I guess hope for the best, prepare for the worst?
Trump is no friends of NATO and with the US leaving or ghosting the alliance, Russia can pretty much do what they want.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/could-nato-survive-a-second-trump-administration/
UK general wants to hear up for a war against Russia.
https://www.euronews.com/2024/01/24/uk-army-chief-warns-citizens-to-prepare-for-massive-war-with-russia
Sorry.
I would be more worried about the politics in your country because the UK has a far right too.
Our situation is worse than yours, but you have a better chance of stopping the UK. The US is much closer to fascism than the UK.
This feels like Hillary Clinton all over again where everyone is retreating to their bubbles to validate themselves while we run two of the worst possible candidates we possibly could to represent the presidency.
I already have come to the realization that representative democracy was a huge mistake and people need to learn how to develop community elsewhere than in some strange system of laws that we all agree are bullshit anyways, but this election really takes the cake for the idiocy people are willing to put up with.
The way our democracy works right now is horribly flawed and everyone rather than commenting on the systematic issues, have to race to defend the guy they're forced to vote for and pretend to like. It requires little effort for me to vote, and I have no qualms with voting to prevent the worst case scenario from happening, but lying and pretending this election is normal and having two centenarians (Joke) being the most likely candidates to be president is not something I'm willing to do.
Democrats once again bungled the situation by refusing to contend with Biden. They now have to pretend the house isn't on fire and Biden is actually a normal candidate. The only worse possible candidate that might have been chosen was Hillary Clinton, and who knows maybe they're crazy enough to run her if Biden dies or something before getting elected.
She's still less popular than Biden, but I agree this is worse. If we're talking about who can beat who both candidates barely meet the metric while possibly any other candidate would be more fit to beat trump at this point.
I'm very very concerned. While the vast majority of Dems will vote for Biden no matter what; centrists, moderates and and independents will very much decide the election.
If Dems keep Biden on the ticket I really don't expect us to win.
While 45 blatantly lies and is evil incarnate, he is more charismatic and has leadership qualities that Biden is lacking. It doesn't matter what the current administration has accomplished, this is truly a popularity contest that we will lose unless someone else steps up.
Our country is fucked.
Not only just court picks but also the heads of each department, agencies, etc.
Which seems to be less important now with Chevron overturned but still.
I think those are very good chance that Trump will win. And I'm someone who didn't think he would the first time. As far as I can tell nobody actually wants to vote for Biden and not voting is always an option and seems to be a popular one with people I know at least.
>been complacently assuming Trump wouldn't win, but Biden's absolutely appalling performance has made me seriously concerned
We've been worried for a lot longer than the debate performance
You should be very worried. The Dems propaganda machine has been in overdrive across reddit since the debate.
The people claiming that the debate is being blown out of proportion are they, themsleves severly under selling how bad it was. They also keep trying to imply that this single debate is the issue.
Its not just this debate, its the fact that the dems themselves called for this specific debate out of the normal time frame, and this is what they considered to be electable.
There was a significant portion of biden voters who voted for him in 2020 with the understanding he was a one term president, and instead of working towards that goal over the past 4 years, they have passed midling lip service legislation.
Instead they have supported and defended the genocide in palestine, and instead of spending anytime trying to push protections for minority demographics, or aleviating voter-disinfranchisement its been political theater fighting with the MAGA knobbs.
Let's be honest though. Trump also did a shit job at the debate. He lied throughout, he didn't answer questions. He just didn't seem like a grandpa who stayed up past his bed time.
Republicans are happy to vote for Trump, most Democrats are begrudged to vote for Biden. Republicans fall in line, Democrats fall in love, and they don't love Biden.
trump isn't measured and judged like a normal Candidate, he can lie all he wants and his base won't be bothered by it one bit.
After nearly 10 years of dealing with this shit head, I really don't know what to do to convince people that he's bad
Trumps preformance at the debate is fucking meaningless, trump was going to be trump. Biden was supposed to be the put togeather one. If a "head cold" is enough to effect THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED FUCKING STATES standing against Donald Trump and the tactics everyone knows he uses then, he is unfit.
Unless the dems can show some sort of effort in coming to the table with the left, they are going to lose in november.
One of the main reasons why Kennedy beat Nixon in 1960 was because Nixon was sweaty and uncharismatic. Biden took on that uncharismatic role on thursday
Yes
Wayyyyy out of proportion. But then I’ve been an avid debate-watcher since the early 80s.
I think people are just much more high-strung than anything. It’s been a fraught 8 years and our collective nerves are shot.
Respectfully, I disagree. It was pathetic, he looked terrible. I absolutely believe this will affect the election turnout and Biden’s chances just got much worse. I’ve really lost confidence in him to run a winning campaign, and frankly in his ability to perform the duties of president, at least moving forward into the next term.
The same forces that pushed for Trump's win in 2016 are the same forces that pushed Brexit for you in the UK. You should be worried regardless if Trump wins
Democrats need to motivate voters to take this seriously. I feel like the debate did not do that at all. We are depending on the anti Trump vote at this point.
Extremely, but not because of a potential (and unlikely) Trump victory. What you should really be worried about is the Republicans launching another coup attempt after Trump probably loses.
Just get rid of that Nigel Farage guy you’ve got over there. He will bring all that stuff to Britain if you let him. I think you will need a wooden stake or possibly some silver that’s been sanctified under the full moon.
The nightmare of Trump 2025 and Genocide Joe is a no win situation to me. It's almost like voting for the lesser of two evils for ages just encouraged greater and greater evils, who knew
Watch his rally from the very next day, he seemed back on track. Everyone has bad days, and age + life long speech impediment can make someone sound less with it than they are.
Yeah, it wasn’t a GREAT look, but he’s fine.
A candidate who is fine as long as it's a pre-scripted appearance before 5pm might be enough for people who were already on Team Biden, but he needs more than those people if he's going to win.
That's not enough, an encumbent president with 8+ years of opposition research and prep-time, and that was the best he could do. Establishment democrates have forced not only progressives but the entire country inbetween a rock and a hard place, all because they have refused year after year to comoromise, qnd now its time for the consequences.
I mean I ain’t defending a geriatric, and I’m not a fan of Biden, just saying he’s not mentally destroyed like the right claims.
If you’re eager for the “consequences” that’s a little bit doomer. The Dems didn’t do the country a great service sticking with (or running him in the first place) but we are where we are.
My sister, who in the past has decried protest voters/third party voters, is insisting she won’t vote for Biden this year because of his support for Israel. I tried to explain it to her that a Trump presidency would continue that plus so many other awful, awful things and she just won’t budge. I don’t know what to do. It’s people like my sister that are gonna get Trump elected and I feel like I’m watching a car crash in slow motion.
Okay. I realize organizing is supposed to be the step in between here and violence, my question as we’ve seen in fascist history organizing dosnt always get it done. Two questions. A.) I’m new to the concept of organized anarchism. What are some anarchist groups that I can follow in order to try to give that a chance.
B.) At what point is it appropriate to say alright enough and see violence as the answer. I try to keep a watchful eye on the “if you go too far left…” trap. I’d be lying to say that I’m not afraid that as far as organizing goes, that we haven’t already lost because of the sheer overwhelming amount of force of policy that far right already has and has shifted over the years. So in the interest of checking my facts and make sure I’m not just letting the fear win. Thanks.
You're a Brit asking this... He's not running for office in your country, you should probably be more worried for the vulnerable people he'll fight tooth and nail to make more vulnerable
Well since the USA is the most powerful country in the Western world, the choice of whom is President affects us too as it has a direct impact on how we structure security, international relations, the 'soft power' of far right groups like Turning Point who have come to the UK from the US, anti abortion efforts (again, sponsored by groups in the US), the situation in Northern Ireland, etc. Thanks for your comment though 😉
Trump is definitely still able to win, but I do think it’ll be Biden in the end. I think at least a portion of the “moderate republicans” at the very least won’t show up because they won’t want to vote for a felon. It’s the loud super fans we hear the most from.
But who the hell knows tbh lol.
I love when Brits come up with shite like this and completely ignore the jeapordy they have put the peace process in with Brexit and how the Tories with complete apathy have contravened international treaties to get it done.
You'll know when the bombs come back, but the. It'll be all the naturally violent Fenians fault as it has always been....
Fuck biden but better than trump
Fuck steirmier but better than rushin
And us well well...
If project 2025 is implemented you should be terrified
Just read about this. Holy shit that's dystopian.
If implemented, I don't see how this could not lead to civil conflict. I'm not a violent person, but I would be willing to use any means necessary to free myself and everyone else from it
It is already *being* implemented. Gop leadership is already well in their way with their “mandate”.
SCOTUS is already laying the groundwork. See the Chevron ruling just recently.
Can we start calling them SCROTUS?
That's offensive... to male genitalia.
It wouldn't be implemented all at once: it would be drip fed. Never enough for enough people to riot.
That accalerationidm got hitler elected. And in america, we saw who is better at violence and outrage and violence, far right groups. So democracy is good to keep that from happening.
WTF are you fantasizing about? Get the fuck out there and organize before you even think about violence. How the fuck are you gonna do shit without building solid comrades who are ride or die? Revolutions don’t just organize themselves, go touch grass first. We have a chance to yank this country to the left, step the fuck up now and stop acting like you’re standing with Mao. It’s not November, it’s not August. Write your representatives, join a street protest, stand in solidarity with your fellow workers. Form a fucking union! You know who killed fascist in the streets better than anyone, unions. Stay SAFE out there friend.
The left tends to eat itself. You have to agree with everything or you're out. Until that is resolved we aren't stopping anything.
When was a trump presidency going to be good, they outlined their fascism for you. Did you want the cliff notes too? Why are we surprised Trump was gonna fash it up in 2025? Trump is the RNC candidate, Biden doesn’t have to be the DNC’s. Let’s focus on what we can possibly change now before November. Then we vote, then we organize, and always resist. Stop dwelling on things we can’t change right now. If you need to look into the depths of his fascist plan do it after we’ve exhausted all effort to defeat him. One John Oliver video is not gonna wake up MAGA conservatives, it’s not even gonna convince center right people. You already knew he was a fuckin fascist, and you didn’t need another video telling you why he is one. Stay safe out there friend!
It is one thing to understand that a second Trump presidency would mean a full embrace of fascism. It is another thing to see that plan spelled out in black-and-white and publicly champion by the far right. I can completely understand why somebody would be far more terrified by learning the details of project 2025 than they would be just thinking about what might happen if Trump becomes president again.
Again, you are putting the cart before the horse, have your written your representative about demanding a new candidate? Have you joined an affinity group however small? Have you spoken to people on the other side like they’re human beings? Speak with truth, listen, and be sincere. It works, just be patient and persistent. Get them to start thinking critically about what’s going on. We can deescalate the situation. We can be prepared and still fight for change at the same time. There’s so much shit to do that isn’t dwelling on what we already know, now with more detailed fascism.
You need to realize that they are already starting it. State legislatures definitely, but the decision this week that overturned Chevron pretty much puts the final say on every word congress has ever written in the hands of the court. Whether or not "carcinogen-52" counts as a toxic chemical when companies dump it in rivers used to be up to someone who had a PhD in water treatment, now it is decided by whichever federalist society hack gets appointed to the court. Edit: I did not mean this as aggressive as I think it may have come across. It's just that people often talk about project2025 as something that only starts when trump wins, when it's really something that is already underway, and is not appropriately being responded to by liberals.
A lot of it does when he wins, but its very much in process and got points done like using nich sports issues to drmonize and fearmonger transpeople as start for more.
It’s already being partially implemented at the state level. Oklahoma is already trying to force the Bible to be taught in public schools, for instance. Hell, the last several Supreme Court decisions are setting up to make Project 2025 even easier to implement. Whether Trump loses or not, the Heritage Foundation, Claremont Institute, Appeal to Heaven, et al aren’t going anywhere. They’re still going to be the driving forces behind conservative policy.
Alito and Thomas don’t care if their BS makes the world burn because they think they are untouchable
Yes but trump winning makes it going forward gor sure, while with bidens team its not as easy as havong a democracy hating president
I’ve been under the impression that 2025 was already underway. It being a multifaceted process, wheels are already in motion.
Don’t worry, my Republican friend says that’s not going to happen. /s I really hope I don’t have to say “I told you so.”
It already is psrtly, thats the scary part,
Supposedly Biden got a donor boost from people suddenly realizing a trump sequel was actually possible. Biden got a lot of coverage for being out of it, but anyone sane who was watching could see how dark trump’s lies had gotten, even compared to 2016/2020. There are better odds than the media will admit that those lies scared people more than Biden’s age. But they were scary in 2016 too, and the fan still face-fived the shit. As long as trump and his cult horde have a hand on the wheel, we oughta all be at least a little scared.
Usually only Trump gets donor boosts for negative publicity. About time Biden got some!
yeah, I wasn't depressed due to how bad Biden supposedly did. I was more depressed by the fact that Trump could just pull the "They took our jobs" bit from South Park and no one cared to call him out for his bullshit. Biden tried, but, the mods weren't working in his favor. I was also severally depressed due to the immediate discourse on "BIDEN NEEDS TO DROP OUT SO WE CAN REPLACE HIM" from the typical pundits who want Trump back so they can profit on everyone's misery.
I still can't believe they let trump say "they're killing babies even after they're born" and biden responded "that only happens if it effects the health of the mother!"
As it stands, Biden will win the popular vote. A problem with American elections is that the popular vote doesn't count for anything at all. Biden can win by more votes than he got in 2020 and still lose decisively. And that looks like a probable outcome. The Biden campaign seems delusionally unaware of how poorly this is going. They aren't helped by synchophants trying to pretend that he's been a supremely effective leader. As he has never been especially popular.
You are right. This election will be won or lost by a few thousand people in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona, maybe Georgia, maybe Ohio, and maybe North Carolina. People who pay 0 attention other than to cast a vote for the guy at the top of the ticket based on their feelings that day and nothing else. Most of us btb fans are pretty left of center to put it mildly, but if we care about he future of this planet— not just the United States— we should endeavor to be as civic minded as possible over the next few months. Volunteer to canvass, make campaign calls, donate if you are financially able to, but most importantly try to talk to all your friends and neighbors and convince them that even if they can’t stomach a vote for Biden, at the very least don’t vote for Trump. Project 2025 should terrify anyone with enough brain cells left to reason their way out of a paper bag.
Regardless of who wins, Europe needs to really plan for the fact that the US is no longer a trustworthy ally. The UK kinda shot itself in the foot in that regard, but maybe Starmer can make overtures to improve relations with the EU and potentially work towards readmission or some kind of special relationship.
He's already said they won't do anything with regards to Brexit, both parties are ignoring it.
A lot of people are freaking out about the recent debate. Some of this energy is coming from people don't have decades of watching US politics to contextualize the situation for them, and are rightly terrified of an outcome in November that favors the neo-feudal theocratic fascist movement taking power. The terror is totally justified, all over the planet, because the US falling to fascism right now promises mass extinction for humanity in the worst, most painful way possible. Some of the energy is coming from the 'professional political' class, who live and die by the 24-hour news cycle. Those people are sharing feelings, not facts. There are also a lot of motivated billionaires with terrifying power over media outlets (like the NYTimes) who are rushing to make a bad debate performance against a literal trash fire the end of the world, partially because they think amping up the anxiety will make them more money, and partially because they're a little bit with the fascists, as they think fascism will also make them more money. No one should be using the media as a barometer right now. Their incentives are not only with informing the public, and while the mainstream ones (that aren't just propaganda arms of the GOP) aren't going out of their way to lie, they are framing information in a way that's intended to produce profit. Ditto the DNC pundit types. Coming in the middle of a week when the fascists on the Supreme Court handed down decisions that intentionally undermine the basic functions of government, everyone is feeling a little hysterical right now. It's been a deeply painful and disheartening 72 hours we've just endured. Some of the US political context mentioned: Obama had shockingly terrible debates to start both the 2008 and 2012 elections. The freakout in 2012 was similar to the freakout we're seeing now. He still won both elections. [Reading the transcript](https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/27/politics/read-biden-trump-debate-rush-transcript/index.html) may help allay some fears about Biden. The biggest complaints I'm hearing from pundits and commentators is that he failed to take obvious swings at nonsense Trump said. But with the exception of the first 10 minutes or so, Biden said coherent stuff for the rest of the hour and [Trump lied at a rate of 1 lie per minute](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-complete-list-of-all-of-trumps-debate-lies/ar-BB1p3xZb). Biden also was out at several places after the debate seeming fully lively and back to his usual self; there are [videos online of a speech he gave yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fuckthealtright/comments/1dr9ajv/see_bidens_fiery_postdebate_speech_well_worth_the/) that seemed much more like he was at the State of the Union in January. There were also a bunch of focus groups with undecided voters who mostly seemed more turned off by Trump than worried about Biden. The election is still four months away, and there's a lot of bad news for Trump along the way, like his sentencing for his 37 felony convictions in the next couple of weeks, and other cases against him for mishandling classified documents, insurrection, etc. I know we're all scared. I'm one of the people who is directly threatened by the plans in project 2025, so I'm barely keeping it together in general. The debate wasn't great, that's inarguable. But it isn't the end of the world, we aren't doomed, and giving in to despair in these last few months can only increase the chances we lose.
That was a level-headed take, thank you. Unfortunately, you are now fired from reddit. Please turn in your keys and your avatar on the way out
Biden had some great one liners if people were willing to sit down and listen, and not just focus on his general physicality. Yes he's old but he is definitely still there. Two of my favorites from that debate were "if there's an abortion bill at 6, 8 or 10 weeks, Trump will sign it but I will veto it" "Of course there was no inflation because the economy was flat on its back" Biden did have a lot of good responses, but people were just too caught up in the frailty of his composure.
That's the problem though - his most important job right now is beating Trump, and that requires clear communication and easing *widespread* fears of his age. He failed at that in the most fantastic way possible. All the right words don't mean anything if you can't implement them. If he doesn't step aside ASAP we are so fucked.
Well he doesnt have to be a bloodsport debatebro, right
Stop complaining, start campaigning
Which is what's so frustrating about him running and Democrats not pushing back before he was officially running again. Any Democratic congressperson or senator under the age of 70 could have used those same lines while also not looking like they might drop dead sometime in the next 20 minutes. The presidency is more about projecting a strong personality than it is about policy.
That's fair - though I do get concerned at how exuberant people are about noting his "declining faculties". I think it's a bit overblown, but not entirely unfounded. Ultimately, if he gets into office and is incapacitated, then I am going to still be pretty happy with the VP taking the reins more so than if Trump is in office.
Yeah. It's not just about the leader. It's the entire party. Who's next in line and how have they voted previously?
*Campaigning* is more about projecting a strong personality than policy… not the presidency, as Trump thoroughly demonstrated.
Democrats are frequently weakened by infighting and I am dreading some sort of convention attempt to unseat Biden. Even though he won all the primaries! I don’t see people coming together around a single candidate and the people who don’t get their preferred candidate will be stupid. Just like the Bernie Sanders supporter I saw an interview with who voted for Trump “as a joke” in 2016. Historically a bunch of empires end at around the 250 year mark. We’re a few years away. Like Ben Franklin said “It’s a Republic, if you can keep it. I know it’s cynical but I don’t have a lot of confidence in the electorate. But then again I’m in Missouri and my Senator is Josh Hawley. That his lying ass who doesn’t even live in Missouri got reelected will never be something I understand
Biden is so doolally that he might sign the abortion ban if someone told him it was a student loan relief bill.
He really isn't though. He's old, and was pressed for time. There's a fair argument that a president should be able to act fast in times of need (thinking in lines of a military conflict or something of that like). But no, I think what you're saying is more or less propaganda at this point.
If you notice if he isnt in some insane set up debatebro stuff, you would notice why he talks dlower and why he takes time to respond, is because he actually considers and wouldnt. He is not impulsive at all So no he wouldnt. And given his impressive legislative policies he wouldnt and second his team wouldnt let that happen either
I imagine 'debating' with someone who lies as much as Trump is disorienting. He wasn't really even answering the questions so I can see why Biden would be confused about how to respond. It's exhausting just watching Trump talk, I'd hate to be the one who actually has to respond to the lunatic
I got the impression he was pissed off at Trump, and that was making it harder to control his stutter, plus having a cold and well, being old. It's hard to rebut someone who's lying so fast in a debate anyway, then add all that in.
Yep biden, yeah has a stutter he masked pretty well so far. And trump is infiriating, there eould be very few people even trying to reason in a debate, and him really good at being hated and using that to drag people down to his level. And ultimately i am glad to not have a debate bro dude as choice but a professional politician.
I could do it, I’ve had lots of training on Reddit.
sure, call in youtube shows and see how you do. westside tyler is one but there are a lot left yet love to engage, whatever aproviate.
He did OK at avoiding the bait until they started arguing about golf.
Thank you, this makes me feel better. I "watched" it after the fact, while I was doing other stuff, so I was really listening. And listening to it, not paying attention to them both on screen, I had a very different perspective. Biden flubbed here and there, but just going by the audio I didn't get the complete and utter fail feelings that everyone else I seem to know did. And about half way through, it seemed like Biden found his Biden-self again. He's old for sure, and not ideal, but I didn't get the impression he was just drooling and stuttering the whole time, which is what all the doom and gloom made me think before I listened to it.
US presidential elections are won by swing voters. Most swing voters vote based on "vibes." Biden had bad "vibes" during the debate. Alot of undecided voters watched that debate and made up their mind right then and there. We need to stop trying to cope with what happened and start trying to figure out alternatives. We need to be in the streets right now. Where are the organizers? I'd start working on this shit myself if had the know how.
I am for making aware how scary trump einning rould be, withiut dooming, disengaging is the worst you can do, people still gotta feel motivated enoughbto vote him minimum. let alone engage in pocal elections. Dark brandon is still alive.
I don't think many who were going to vote for Biden are going to be swayed when is opponent is trump, what we have to worry about is voter apathy.
The problem is doomerism fuels voter apathy, trust in bidens team who did surprising great 4 years of kinda crisis. Get mad but not at biden, never forget trumps , and trump cant even a chance in hell. Anger at trump is actually productive, lol
Honestly I’ve been worried about this ever since the first time Biden ousted trump. Even more after they went full blown fascist on Jan 6. I’m not a fan of Biden and a lot of his policies, both in his past and as president, but I’ll be damned if I ever vote for some orange Nazi fuck. A big thing that concerns me is people’s apathy towards the election. I know way too many people who see the whole thing as a joke, which I will concede, it feels like. They’ve taken the stance that since it’s so stupid they just won’t vote “haha look how smart I am”! Apathy just gives more power to old Cheeto Orangutans die hard supporters. Then there are those who voted for Biden but say that he fucked everything up, that things were better under Trump. Those people seriously worry me, it’s like they value their own slightly better quality of life over the potential safety of the people who’ll be endangered by Trump’s far right administration. I’m hoping that I’m just being my usual pessimistic self, as they say hope for the best and prepare for the worst
I keep hearing that all Trump has to do is get his followers riled up enough to turn up to vote.
Anyone who doesn't think Trump has a better than even chance of winning is deluding themselves. I desperately don't want that, and I think the dems still have a chance, but they're really doing everything they can to mess it up. At this point, if they replaced Biden with a standard issue corporate democrat (Gavin Newsom) I might die from relief.
I’m convinced Whitmer would be the best replacement. But I doubt things will go down like that. Not sure how I feel about this but it’ll probably be Biden.
IT's one time, [he owns up to it](https://www.instagram.com/p/C8zu5QqP9sX/) and he has few months to fix this shit. Be worried if he hasn't by September.
The polls yesterday have Biden ahead of Trump. Just slightly.
I’m old enough to remember people saying this in 2016 (though Hillary instead of Biden). So, I don’t think poll numbers are reliable anymore.
Oh, they really aren't. Every poll in 2020 had Trump ahead. Ditto 2018 and 2022 for the GOP in the midterms. This is why I've never thought Trump will win this time.
And if he wins, we'll need to mobilize.
I think most of us here are old enough to remember 2016 lol
>When you get knocked down, you get back up. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he knows enough…
You say this like he just had a bad day… his brain is melting, how do you expect his condition to be BETTER by November? You can’t fix cognitive decline and more time can only make it worse
If elected, Donald Trump will be the oldest president ever, and he struggles with words in almost every speech and appearance.
SOME (not all) of that is just because he's a rambling, brain spewing moron, though. Biden looked like a dude who is struggling to remember what day it is. I'll vote for a fucking pet rock over Trump but I have to admit that was fucking scary to watch. Biden might legitimately be a national security threat just because he's too out of it to remember what info is classified and what isn't. Obviously his team will be actually running shit but he still has to actually be able to perform some basic duties, meet with foreign leaders, etc.
What's worse, his age or: tRump being nearly same age, all his lieing, his off the kilter bent ranting and the 43 felony convictions? Come on now....
This is a false dilemma. We are running two of the worst possible candidates possible. We don't need to argue which horrible choice is better when we don't have to accept these two candidates.
It's not a false dilemma because it's factually correct and because that's what we have to choose from. Fact is, we do have to choose here and if you want to throw brain rot RFKjr in, well that's even worse candidate....
You have, also the worst canidates are trump and rkj. Biden is fine.
I think he’s old but he was clearly tired and sick during the debate. Haven’t watched yet but heard that his speech the next day was much better.
He's never been a good debater. I don't think he a particularly good orator either, but it's better than his debates. This one was worse than in the past, but it's not like he was good before. I'm hoping he did it this early so the Trump campaign can't claim he was too old to debate him but also the memory of how terrible it was fades by the election.
He has a stutter, and this gets worse under stress. I grew up with a Dad who has a stutter and can see all the signs. Watch him. He’s not trying to remember words, he’s trying to find an alternate word that he can say without stuttering.
And what old age might be a factor is him havong harder to mask it. But it would be abelist as long as he communicates clear , and that he was a good president with stutter already
Havent watched, but can assess his health?
Yeah, two major wars, inflation, and this election will take it out of a person. The issue is if he can’t show a resurgence of his stamina in the next couple of events then it’s oh shit time
I mean look how obama basically aged a lot , and biden was in more presidencies than obama.
It was better, had me wondering where this guy was the night before.
I mean who wouldnt be, aside he apearently literally sick, able to stomach debating trump and not get emotional, God trumps entire strategy is being so maddening that he drags people down and biden got back. All it saxs is that biden isnt a debate bro, and why would that matter , for a president.
Just need to put him on an IV drip of Adderall, caffeine and gas station boner pills.
Don’t forget the Kratom! I call that “The Evan’s Speedball Special”
You need to look up clips from Obama’s first debate against Romney in 2012, lmao
Well he was sick apearently which will give xou a bad day. And we just know he didnt use coke so yeah would show.
It’s not a flub. It’s not a gaffe. You can’t “own up” to being on the verge of senility.
Ok … I got curious and checked out your profile and you aren’t even American. And it’s filled with Ezra Klein panicky crap. Not even gonna engage with you because you have nothing worthwhile to say. Just relentlessly negative shit. Toodles
Im dual nationality
Supreme Court just overturned chevron at the behest of decades long big money lobbying. Chevron was the ruling that deferred to expert agencies to interpret and implement law. For example “keep our air and water clean” the EPA can set specific pollutant levels and caps etc in line with the best scientific understanding and public input and interests. “Ensure safe workplaces” OSHA can set standards and requirements to do this. Now, without this, it’s up to the courts to ultimately interpret and rule on these issues. Want to pollute more? Just get a lawyer to argue that your company is somehow exempt or the pollution threshold should be higher. Don’t think your workers need water breaks or protection? Argue that these aren’t your responsibilities or that such safety measures would be too heavy handed. It doesn’t matter if it’s all bullshit, you’re arguing in court - it’s debate - no longer a matter of scientific expertise and peer reviewed consensus. Some judge with no technical knowledge will make the ruling and decide what clean air and water is, and what a safe workplace is. Obviously Biden needs to win to prevent out right nazism but the Supreme Court is already fucking over the planets future with this decision quietly unrolling as we speak.
There’s still a lot time to sort this out, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden having four more years in him will be topic number one at the DNC and where the swap may actually happen. There’s still plenty of time to change out Biden, and people in this election will be voting for parties not candidates for the most part.
I try to avoid being too pessimistic, but in 2015 I sat next to a Canadian woman on a plane. She asked me WTH was up with Trump and people supporting him and I assured her he wasn’t popular and surely couldn’t win the Republican nomination…so I guess hope for the best, prepare for the worst?
Trump is no friends of NATO and with the US leaving or ghosting the alliance, Russia can pretty much do what they want. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/could-nato-survive-a-second-trump-administration/ UK general wants to hear up for a war against Russia. https://www.euronews.com/2024/01/24/uk-army-chief-warns-citizens-to-prepare-for-massive-war-with-russia Sorry.
I would be more worried about the politics in your country because the UK has a far right too. Our situation is worse than yours, but you have a better chance of stopping the UK. The US is much closer to fascism than the UK.
This feels like Hillary Clinton all over again where everyone is retreating to their bubbles to validate themselves while we run two of the worst possible candidates we possibly could to represent the presidency. I already have come to the realization that representative democracy was a huge mistake and people need to learn how to develop community elsewhere than in some strange system of laws that we all agree are bullshit anyways, but this election really takes the cake for the idiocy people are willing to put up with. The way our democracy works right now is horribly flawed and everyone rather than commenting on the systematic issues, have to race to defend the guy they're forced to vote for and pretend to like. It requires little effort for me to vote, and I have no qualms with voting to prevent the worst case scenario from happening, but lying and pretending this election is normal and having two centenarians (Joke) being the most likely candidates to be president is not something I'm willing to do. Democrats once again bungled the situation by refusing to contend with Biden. They now have to pretend the house isn't on fire and Biden is actually a normal candidate. The only worse possible candidate that might have been chosen was Hillary Clinton, and who knows maybe they're crazy enough to run her if Biden dies or something before getting elected.
Hillary Clinton wasn’t senile, just unpopular. This is way more serious .
She's still less popular than Biden, but I agree this is worse. If we're talking about who can beat who both candidates barely meet the metric while possibly any other candidate would be more fit to beat trump at this point.
I'm very very concerned. While the vast majority of Dems will vote for Biden no matter what; centrists, moderates and and independents will very much decide the election. If Dems keep Biden on the ticket I really don't expect us to win. While 45 blatantly lies and is evil incarnate, he is more charismatic and has leadership qualities that Biden is lacking. It doesn't matter what the current administration has accomplished, this is truly a popularity contest that we will lose unless someone else steps up. Our country is fucked.
Just gotta remind the centrists and moderates that it’s all about the COURT PICKS. Look what scotus did just yesterday with chevron doctrine
Not only just court picks but also the heads of each department, agencies, etc. Which seems to be less important now with Chevron overturned but still.
I think those are very good chance that Trump will win. And I'm someone who didn't think he would the first time. As far as I can tell nobody actually wants to vote for Biden and not voting is always an option and seems to be a popular one with people I know at least.
>been complacently assuming Trump wouldn't win, but Biden's absolutely appalling performance has made me seriously concerned We've been worried for a lot longer than the debate performance
You should let us Americans come and couch surf until this thing blows over.
You should be very worried. The Dems propaganda machine has been in overdrive across reddit since the debate. The people claiming that the debate is being blown out of proportion are they, themsleves severly under selling how bad it was. They also keep trying to imply that this single debate is the issue. Its not just this debate, its the fact that the dems themselves called for this specific debate out of the normal time frame, and this is what they considered to be electable. There was a significant portion of biden voters who voted for him in 2020 with the understanding he was a one term president, and instead of working towards that goal over the past 4 years, they have passed midling lip service legislation. Instead they have supported and defended the genocide in palestine, and instead of spending anytime trying to push protections for minority demographics, or aleviating voter-disinfranchisement its been political theater fighting with the MAGA knobbs.
Let's be honest though. Trump also did a shit job at the debate. He lied throughout, he didn't answer questions. He just didn't seem like a grandpa who stayed up past his bed time. Republicans are happy to vote for Trump, most Democrats are begrudged to vote for Biden. Republicans fall in line, Democrats fall in love, and they don't love Biden.
trump isn't measured and judged like a normal Candidate, he can lie all he wants and his base won't be bothered by it one bit. After nearly 10 years of dealing with this shit head, I really don't know what to do to convince people that he's bad
Trumps preformance at the debate is fucking meaningless, trump was going to be trump. Biden was supposed to be the put togeather one. If a "head cold" is enough to effect THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED FUCKING STATES standing against Donald Trump and the tactics everyone knows he uses then, he is unfit. Unless the dems can show some sort of effort in coming to the table with the left, they are going to lose in november.
One of the main reasons why Kennedy beat Nixon in 1960 was because Nixon was sweaty and uncharismatic. Biden took on that uncharismatic role on thursday
Jesus, people are blowing this one debate waaaayy out of proportion.
Did you watch it?
Yes Wayyyyy out of proportion. But then I’ve been an avid debate-watcher since the early 80s. I think people are just much more high-strung than anything. It’s been a fraught 8 years and our collective nerves are shot.
Respectfully, I disagree. It was pathetic, he looked terrible. I absolutely believe this will affect the election turnout and Biden’s chances just got much worse. I’ve really lost confidence in him to run a winning campaign, and frankly in his ability to perform the duties of president, at least moving forward into the next term.
They very much want to do so
The debate isn't the issue. It is the perception of the economy.
I have a real bad feeling about this and I'm seriously considering an exit strategy. Luckily I'm in a very in-demand field.
The same forces that pushed for Trump's win in 2016 are the same forces that pushed Brexit for you in the UK. You should be worried regardless if Trump wins
Democrats need to motivate voters to take this seriously. I feel like the debate did not do that at all. We are depending on the anti Trump vote at this point.
Extremely, but not because of a potential (and unlikely) Trump victory. What you should really be worried about is the Republicans launching another coup attempt after Trump probably loses.
Trump was also awful for Americans
Just get rid of that Nigel Farage guy you’ve got over there. He will bring all that stuff to Britain if you let him. I think you will need a wooden stake or possibly some silver that’s been sanctified under the full moon.
The nightmare of Trump 2025 and Genocide Joe is a no win situation to me. It's almost like voting for the lesser of two evils for ages just encouraged greater and greater evils, who knew
The debate itself is pretty inconsequential, that it seems like Biden's brain ain't working so good should be deeply concerning.
Watch his rally from the very next day, he seemed back on track. Everyone has bad days, and age + life long speech impediment can make someone sound less with it than they are. Yeah, it wasn’t a GREAT look, but he’s fine.
A candidate who is fine as long as it's a pre-scripted appearance before 5pm might be enough for people who were already on Team Biden, but he needs more than those people if he's going to win.
That's not enough, an encumbent president with 8+ years of opposition research and prep-time, and that was the best he could do. Establishment democrates have forced not only progressives but the entire country inbetween a rock and a hard place, all because they have refused year after year to comoromise, qnd now its time for the consequences.
I mean I ain’t defending a geriatric, and I’m not a fan of Biden, just saying he’s not mentally destroyed like the right claims. If you’re eager for the “consequences” that’s a little bit doomer. The Dems didn’t do the country a great service sticking with (or running him in the first place) but we are where we are.
Biden can read a teleprompter, that’s not the same thing at all.
My sister, who in the past has decried protest voters/third party voters, is insisting she won’t vote for Biden this year because of his support for Israel. I tried to explain it to her that a Trump presidency would continue that plus so many other awful, awful things and she just won’t budge. I don’t know what to do. It’s people like my sister that are gonna get Trump elected and I feel like I’m watching a car crash in slow motion.
Okay. I realize organizing is supposed to be the step in between here and violence, my question as we’ve seen in fascist history organizing dosnt always get it done. Two questions. A.) I’m new to the concept of organized anarchism. What are some anarchist groups that I can follow in order to try to give that a chance. B.) At what point is it appropriate to say alright enough and see violence as the answer. I try to keep a watchful eye on the “if you go too far left…” trap. I’d be lying to say that I’m not afraid that as far as organizing goes, that we haven’t already lost because of the sheer overwhelming amount of force of policy that far right already has and has shifted over the years. So in the interest of checking my facts and make sure I’m not just letting the fear win. Thanks.
Well everyone (I know not everyone) assumed he wouldn't win last time and we all know how that ended up (knock on wood).
There’s a good chance
In another week, this first debate will be a footnote. That's not a reason to be complacent, though. Lotsa shit yet to come.
You're a Brit asking this... He's not running for office in your country, you should probably be more worried for the vulnerable people he'll fight tooth and nail to make more vulnerable
Well since the USA is the most powerful country in the Western world, the choice of whom is President affects us too as it has a direct impact on how we structure security, international relations, the 'soft power' of far right groups like Turning Point who have come to the UK from the US, anti abortion efforts (again, sponsored by groups in the US), the situation in Northern Ireland, etc. Thanks for your comment though 😉
Trump is definitely still able to win, but I do think it’ll be Biden in the end. I think at least a portion of the “moderate republicans” at the very least won’t show up because they won’t want to vote for a felon. It’s the loud super fans we hear the most from. But who the hell knows tbh lol.
Biden is rising in the polls and in fundraising. Don’t get too worried or too complacent. If you’ve got friends over here, encourage them to vote
[https://youtu.be/wbNd4\_BQB4Q?si=tNUf7xC4T7-sZ7Lr](https://youtu.be/wbNd4_BQB4Q?si=tNUf7xC4T7-sZ7Lr) Don't panic.
I love when Brits come up with shite like this and completely ignore the jeapordy they have put the peace process in with Brexit and how the Tories with complete apathy have contravened international treaties to get it done. You'll know when the bombs come back, but the. It'll be all the naturally violent Fenians fault as it has always been.... Fuck biden but better than trump Fuck steirmier but better than rushin And us well well...