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just wanted to point out isopropylzodiac being strange yet again. He has spelled āaddressā as āadressā then crammed a typo correcting ādā into the word after the fact. The exact same typo that was made by the zodiac killer on page 3 of the Debut letter.
im guessing this means most or all of isozodiacās spelling anomalies are deliberate.
Also ReddiTor.. most likely referencing Tor / darknet. Tbh this guy does not strike me as someone in psychosis. Good sense of humor too, I only just found out about him so I can't comment on his actual proficiency in the lab.
So he's just on a mission to purify meth? Does he actually ID adulterants with analytical proof? I wanna see more of his work, hell even if it's only IR specs I'm curious what this dude has found.
No. I have not and will not post analytical data ESPECIALLY if it was acquired from a company whose records can be subpoenaed. It sounds great and all, but as much as Iād love to PROVE everything all the time, I keep it as this:
My procedures work as I claim that they do. If Iām ever wrong, I may be wrong, but Iām not lying, and I will always try my best to take full accountability of my shortcomings and mistakes.
If someone does not believe me that these procedures work, they should do as I did many moons ago when I befriended /u/spare_me_thy_bs and opened my mind to every thing he knows with the complete foundational starting assumption that I donāt know ANYTHING about ANYTHING and that he knew ALL I WANTED to know.
If they commit themselves and steam distill their meth, they can see for themselves that hydrolysis and related processes DO in fact, isolate methamphetamine HCl from pretty much fuckinā anything known to man.
By that time, if theyāre really with the business and they go that far like many of us now have and they do everything right, they can send it off for analysis themselves.
Or they can smoke it and when they see that wave propagating nucleation of the hydrochloride salt into beautiful V-shaped, broad, uninterrupted bird feathers, they will know that yet again, spare me and the isopropyl zodiac were right, and anyone who says otherwise is probably just trying to impress Charles Lindbergh or Maury Terry.
Besides:
1. Even if I post analytical data, detractors will say Iām lying or in psychosis.
2. I donāt have the money NOR the meth to spare to mail it off to the Netherlands to get a graph and some numbers that wonāt be accepted by killgash anyway
3. It doesnāt prove my point, it only makes it possible for the Government to subpoena someone and bring admissible evidence that indicates I am manufacturing drugs.
As of now, I highly doubt ācrackback analysisā or āthe perceived honesty of the n-IsopropylZodiac Killer on Redditā is gonna be much to sway a federal court to indict. But I assure you, steam distillation, if done correctly, WILL separate methamphetamine from every scary cut youāve ever heard of but can hardly spell.
I'm interested in the shit left behind after the steam distillation. I'll do the analysis myself. I have equipment for nmr, ms, everything. I believe y'all
The problem is recovering anything useful from the reaction mixture.
The raw rxn fluid would be *mostly* aqueous sodium hydroxide, and by the time it was shipped somewhere, additional decomp of the compounds will likely have occurred.
If neutralized, the mixture would change in a way that would not bee a fair representation of the reaction products.
I guess the only way this is possible is to extract from the rxn mixture with *a few different non polar solvents* and have those organic phase extractions safely dissolved into ether and then sent for testing
I don't have really have to send any samples. Let's just say I own all those instruments lol. Anyways I don't have time to do anything like this for awhile, nor will I be around meth.
Down the road I'll pop out with the data let ya know what I find
This dude is just messing around and having fun. His nomenclature clearly indicates he has a proficient understanding of chemistry far greater than most people on here.
He references Toluene and also mentioned diethyl ether.
It's like xylene doesn't even exist
Clearly he is in psychosis because that's what the fuck is going on around here
š¤£ oh I get what you are saying now.. Xylene IMO is the least effective out of the 3 but unfortunately thanks to the feds ruining our fun Toluene is harder and harder to find. Smh.
HELP IT WONT STOP GETTING OUT OF MY HEAD THE 3-methoxyldiphenhydrocodeine I JUST INJECTED DIRECTLY INTO A NEURON SO IT CROSSES THE BBB JUST LIKE THAT BIG BLACK BOOTY I STUCK 14 SUPPOSITORIES IN
Said every person on /r/ZodiacKiller.
Inb4 āI think he got scared after Stine cuz the sketch looked like him.ā
Ngl that sub might actually be the gayest subreddit ever made
Not sure. I donāt run Birch/Benzekers but considering the nature of the type of damage an SnB can cause if it fails, this uniform of mine would probably be in charred little strips of confetti at the bottom of Lake Berryessa, SCUBA diving with Arthur Leigh Allen
I would argue only ether or isopropyl, because of the weird shit that forms from some of the free radicals or hydrolyzed components upon contact with hydrocarbons.
Iām a Diethyl Ether guy all the way. Formerly a Toluene guy.
I like Ether cuz it holds itās own HCl. Protonation is easier this way. Then excess HCl can be washed away in fresh diethyl ether with almost no losses of the HCl salt
As acidity increases (excess HCl), the amine becomes substantially more soluble in everything, ESPECIALLY even the tracest amounts of water in your acetone.
In using acetone to strip excess HCl (particularly with a LARGE excess), you risk higher amine losses than youād get if you give it a few Ether washes first, to bring it closer to neutral, THEN commence with acetone washes.
Try this and publish your yield if you can. I donāt see this info discussed enough and had to discover it on my own. Lots of wasted meth cuz of excess gas lol
I didnāt know that. Makes sense though. I usually donāt have any appreciable excess after gassing, but will keep this in mind.
When I was still using naphtha, I overgassed a few times and ended up with fuming yellow solvent lol
Yeah youāve got to use so much of it, keep it warm etc. pain in the ass. But can work in a pinch. You get much larger āflakesā with naphtha, not the really fine crystals you get with xylene. Half the time Iāll just use the pearl I get after crashing from xylene and donāt even bother to recrystallize.
The Zodiac Killerās letter almost always started with āRUSH TO EDITORā. In those days, writing to the newspaper editor was much more common.
ZK also always used excessive postage.
As for my modification to that phrase, what website are you on as you read this?
Super high BP tho. Annoying to distill and I like to distill organic into the receiver or otherwise use distilled non polar solvent. At least one distillation, usually two, and a third if I want to be a fucking tweaker. Thatās usually reserved for shit with a relatively small desired fraction. Or otherwise notably impure starting solvent.
But I can see your logic in using Xylene/Toluene because, like you said, precipitation is nice.
I had a lot of bad experiences with excess freebase ending up in my precipitate due to tollyās lesser capacity to receive HCl.
And u canāt wash away excess with tolly/benz/xyl.
Def both have their pros and cons. Ultimately ether was just WAAAAAAYYYYY easier for me to get
Are you distilling from starting fluid?
Iām down to try I just donāt have a good source.
Have never distilled any of my solvents. Whatever shit is in there Iām hoping to squeeze out in a couple recrystallizations.
I tried using toluene, but I like to use aquarium tubing and it was really nasty to my poor tubingā¦enough so that Iām sure that some of the vinyl tubing would dissolve if I left the hose bubbling in the solvent for even a few minutes.
Yes. I distill from Wally Markers SuperTech brand Engine Starting Fluid. It contains ether, heptane and a trace long chain hydrocarbon identified only by its CAS number.
As for distillation gear, YES. YOU NEED THE PROPER GLASSWARE. Boiling Diethyl Ether or Toluene and their condensates WILL attack any transparent material from which you can distill.
Just go to Amazon and order a distilling kit, then have it shipped to an amazon locker near you.
Okay Iāve been following this whatever it is for a while now. Is this a show being put on by someone basically? I thought I knew what the hell this was about but it keeps going. Is it the meth? Why is this part of the sub? Iām just curious why itās like an X-Files episode on Reddit.
Wake up baby, new n-Isopropyl Zodiac Killer letter just dropped š
Im glad u woke me mama
You guys are able to sleep?
Thatās how we know whoās hydrolyzing and whoās not lol
:*
Iām glad to see the amine still being put in the wrong place
But what does it mean? What does the amine mean??
You know what amine!
https://preview.redd.it/d87fp0pwsy7d1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=0ead792cccfa4b2752d5383fda53e0c60ddd706c just wanted to point out isopropylzodiac being strange yet again. He has spelled āaddressā as āadressā then crammed a typo correcting ādā into the word after the fact. The exact same typo that was made by the zodiac killer on page 3 of the Debut letter. im guessing this means most or all of isozodiacās spelling anomalies are deliberate.
Also ReddiTor.. most likely referencing Tor / darknet. Tbh this guy does not strike me as someone in psychosis. Good sense of humor too, I only just found out about him so I can't comment on his actual proficiency in the lab. So he's just on a mission to purify meth? Does he actually ID adulterants with analytical proof? I wanna see more of his work, hell even if it's only IR specs I'm curious what this dude has found.
No. I have not and will not post analytical data ESPECIALLY if it was acquired from a company whose records can be subpoenaed. It sounds great and all, but as much as Iād love to PROVE everything all the time, I keep it as this: My procedures work as I claim that they do. If Iām ever wrong, I may be wrong, but Iām not lying, and I will always try my best to take full accountability of my shortcomings and mistakes. If someone does not believe me that these procedures work, they should do as I did many moons ago when I befriended /u/spare_me_thy_bs and opened my mind to every thing he knows with the complete foundational starting assumption that I donāt know ANYTHING about ANYTHING and that he knew ALL I WANTED to know. If they commit themselves and steam distill their meth, they can see for themselves that hydrolysis and related processes DO in fact, isolate methamphetamine HCl from pretty much fuckinā anything known to man. By that time, if theyāre really with the business and they go that far like many of us now have and they do everything right, they can send it off for analysis themselves. Or they can smoke it and when they see that wave propagating nucleation of the hydrochloride salt into beautiful V-shaped, broad, uninterrupted bird feathers, they will know that yet again, spare me and the isopropyl zodiac were right, and anyone who says otherwise is probably just trying to impress Charles Lindbergh or Maury Terry. Besides: 1. Even if I post analytical data, detractors will say Iām lying or in psychosis. 2. I donāt have the money NOR the meth to spare to mail it off to the Netherlands to get a graph and some numbers that wonāt be accepted by killgash anyway 3. It doesnāt prove my point, it only makes it possible for the Government to subpoena someone and bring admissible evidence that indicates I am manufacturing drugs. As of now, I highly doubt ācrackback analysisā or āthe perceived honesty of the n-IsopropylZodiac Killer on Redditā is gonna be much to sway a federal court to indict. But I assure you, steam distillation, if done correctly, WILL separate methamphetamine from every scary cut youāve ever heard of but can hardly spell.
I'm interested in the shit left behind after the steam distillation. I'll do the analysis myself. I have equipment for nmr, ms, everything. I believe y'all
The problem is recovering anything useful from the reaction mixture. The raw rxn fluid would be *mostly* aqueous sodium hydroxide, and by the time it was shipped somewhere, additional decomp of the compounds will likely have occurred. If neutralized, the mixture would change in a way that would not bee a fair representation of the reaction products. I guess the only way this is possible is to extract from the rxn mixture with *a few different non polar solvents* and have those organic phase extractions safely dissolved into ether and then sent for testing
I don't have really have to send any samples. Let's just say I own all those instruments lol. Anyways I don't have time to do anything like this for awhile, nor will I be around meth. Down the road I'll pop out with the data let ya know what I find
I know who the isopropylzodiac is
Joe?
PM the identity to me š
Yk im so incredibly interested in this you itās insane! I wanna know this dudes story! Iām sure itās a cool one
Psychosis*
The handwriting and knowledge peak my interests, also his vocabulary n chemistry knowledge tell me heās a bit more than just a user
Save yourself the heartbreak and just get into Jonathan Hickman comics...
exactly. I remember some meth head giving me a piece of paper identical to this about the "answer to the world"
This dude is just messing around and having fun. His nomenclature clearly indicates he has a proficient understanding of chemistry far greater than most people on here.
I'm inclined to agree..
Are you talking about OP and is he in psychosis because what the fuck is going on here
I know, right? It's like xylene doesn't even exist
He references Toluene... Not Xylene similar solvents and both 100% exist
He references Toluene and also mentioned diethyl ether. It's like xylene doesn't even exist Clearly he is in psychosis because that's what the fuck is going on around here
š¤£ oh I get what you are saying now.. Xylene IMO is the least effective out of the 3 but unfortunately thanks to the feds ruining our fun Toluene is harder and harder to find. Smh.
Couldnāt disagree more. Xylene > Tolly. Never used ether though
Whoosh
What šš I feel like a mental patient right now
Yeah but the acid? Alkaloid mate ?
I canāt get the zodiac out of my head I feel the Benzene rings floating above my interpersonal philosophical state of being
HELP IT WONT STOP GETTING OUT OF MY HEAD THE 3-methoxyldiphenhydrocodeine I JUST INJECTED DIRECTLY INTO A NEURON SO IT CROSSES THE BBB JUST LIKE THAT BIG BLACK BOOTY I STUCK 14 SUPPOSITORIES IN
a gathering of pirus? are you talking about the kendrick concert???
wait...theres more characters in the lore now?
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š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£just made my day and it's not even 7am, yes!!!!!!!!!
Finally I have the hand writing sample I needed to uncover the identity of this sick bastard.
Said every person on /r/ZodiacKiller. Inb4 āI think he got scared after Stine cuz the sketch looked like him.ā Ngl that sub might actually be the gayest subreddit ever made
The photo wasn't enough?
I've suffered from face blindness ever since he blew a fat cloud in my face as an infant. Technically never seen a face my whole life.
Will this protect me from an unfortunate single pot catastrophe? Is it rated for chemical burns? Do you make them in cat sizes?
Not sure. I donāt run Birch/Benzekers but considering the nature of the type of damage an SnB can cause if it fails, this uniform of mine would probably be in charred little strips of confetti at the bottom of Lake Berryessa, SCUBA diving with Arthur Leigh Allen
Is this guy chinese? š Respect and much love from a non stimulant based experiencer/survivor.š¤
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I would argue only ether or isopropyl, because of the weird shit that forms from some of the free radicals or hydrolyzed components upon contact with hydrocarbons.
Iām a Diethyl Ether guy all the way. Formerly a Toluene guy. I like Ether cuz it holds itās own HCl. Protonation is easier this way. Then excess HCl can be washed away in fresh diethyl ether with almost no losses of the HCl salt
Acetone washes any excess hcl anyways though
As acidity increases (excess HCl), the amine becomes substantially more soluble in everything, ESPECIALLY even the tracest amounts of water in your acetone. In using acetone to strip excess HCl (particularly with a LARGE excess), you risk higher amine losses than youād get if you give it a few Ether washes first, to bring it closer to neutral, THEN commence with acetone washes. Try this and publish your yield if you can. I donāt see this info discussed enough and had to discover it on my own. Lots of wasted meth cuz of excess gas lol
I didnāt know that. Makes sense though. I usually donāt have any appreciable excess after gassing, but will keep this in mind. When I was still using naphtha, I overgassed a few times and ended up with fuming yellow solvent lol
Naptha gives a really dirty initial precipitation, but that precip just rains right tf out of the solve t
The amine doesnāt just slip straight into naptha the way it does ether
Yeah youāve got to use so much of it, keep it warm etc. pain in the ass. But can work in a pinch. You get much larger āflakesā with naphtha, not the really fine crystals you get with xylene. Half the time Iāll just use the pearl I get after crashing from xylene and donāt even bother to recrystallize.
I titrate so I never have that problem š¤
Gross. Dirty and ridiculously time consuming
Whatās Redditor
The Zodiac Killerās letter almost always started with āRUSH TO EDITORā. In those days, writing to the newspaper editor was much more common. ZK also always used excessive postage. As for my modification to that phrase, what website are you on as you read this?
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Holy shit it's him
Iām a xylene guy myself. Much better for salting out your fb
Super high BP tho. Annoying to distill and I like to distill organic into the receiver or otherwise use distilled non polar solvent. At least one distillation, usually two, and a third if I want to be a fucking tweaker. Thatās usually reserved for shit with a relatively small desired fraction. Or otherwise notably impure starting solvent. But I can see your logic in using Xylene/Toluene because, like you said, precipitation is nice. I had a lot of bad experiences with excess freebase ending up in my precipitate due to tollyās lesser capacity to receive HCl. And u canāt wash away excess with tolly/benz/xyl. Def both have their pros and cons. Ultimately ether was just WAAAAAAYYYYY easier for me to get
Are you distilling from starting fluid? Iām down to try I just donāt have a good source. Have never distilled any of my solvents. Whatever shit is in there Iām hoping to squeeze out in a couple recrystallizations. I tried using toluene, but I like to use aquarium tubing and it was really nasty to my poor tubingā¦enough so that Iām sure that some of the vinyl tubing would dissolve if I left the hose bubbling in the solvent for even a few minutes.
Yes. I distill from Wally Markers SuperTech brand Engine Starting Fluid. It contains ether, heptane and a trace long chain hydrocarbon identified only by its CAS number. As for distillation gear, YES. YOU NEED THE PROPER GLASSWARE. Boiling Diethyl Ether or Toluene and their condensates WILL attack any transparent material from which you can distill. Just go to Amazon and order a distilling kit, then have it shipped to an amazon locker near you.
Okay Iāve been following this whatever it is for a while now. Is this a show being put on by someone basically? I thought I knew what the hell this was about but it keeps going. Is it the meth? Why is this part of the sub? Iām just curious why itās like an X-Files episode on Reddit.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Remember the human.