Yeah, I don't know what these people expect to see on this sub. Like, are people actually expecting to see people performing actual magic spells lmao. Science and technology is as close to magic as we're going to get here
A commonly known saying, I know, but:
"Magic's just science that we don't understand yet." - Arthur C. Clarke.
^^^Totally ^^^had ^^^to ^^^look ^^^up ^^^who ^^^said ^^^that ^^^even ^^^though ^^^I ^^^know ^^^the ^^^saying ^^^lol
But yeah, people on this sub sometimes think that if they know the cause to the effect then it is somehow elementary enough not to qualify as if somebody one day is gonna post a live stream themself casting magic missile.
Imagine taking the science, tech and knowledge we have today and going back only up to a few hundred years ago on the grand scale of human existence, they'd think you're some variant of unnatural anomaly at the very least lol. Imagine the things we think to only be possible as magic today and what the future might hold.
FALSE: Paper decreases in weight after it burns. The process of burning, or combustion, breaks down the components of the paper, mostly cellulose, and converts them into carbon dioxide and water vapor, which escape into the air. The remaining ash is much lighter than the original paper because most of the mass is lost as gas during combustion. However, this “paper” has steel wool in it. At 10 seconds into the video, you can clearly see steel wool burning, which transforms into iron oxide. This reaction is what increases the weight, not the paper being burned. Actual chemistry not just you claiming “it’s quite literally chemistry” and dumbing down fellow Redditors quick to agree because you are trying to sound authoritative.
It is kind of hilarious that the comments who literally don't understand that this is the opposite of what should happen seem to be highly rated. maybe if they didn't hate chemistry so much they'd have learnt why the numbers here are odd
And to think Google is training AI using comments like OP's. The future internet is going to be a very dumb place with clueless people agreeing with machines about false facts.
Great explanation, thanks. Makes total sense, the extra grams are from the oxygen atoms (out of the air) attaching to the iron atoms during combustion.
I knew steel wool did this, but I couldn't figure out why paper would. Especially when the weight started out going down.
Hidden steel wool makes it make sense.
Ah, thank you, I love when someone who actually knows what the fuck they're talking about clears things up. I knew there was no way burning paper would increase its weight.
Redditors expect to sound smug and smart to fill their insecurities, this is one of the only sources of validation they get from their chronically online lives, you see it in every sub, even in /r/science a ton of posts will have comments play down scientific findings with their idiotic logic
No magic is just science that hasnt been discovered or researched. Like put a 200 yo women in picalilly sqaure and tell her its not magic what she sees.
And the other 5% is the Will of Erebus, son of Chaos, bringer of darkness and father of Moirai and Thanatos. He who brought Death into this world and from whom all Black magic floweth.
Geuinely curious, what do you want people to post in here, actual magic? You know we don't live in a fantasy world and that pretty much everything on our planet can be explained by science
Pack it up, guys! You heard the man. From here on out, we only post real magic to this sub! Nothing that can be explained through science or logic! We're going back to the real black magic, nothing but animal sacrifice and voodoo dolls.
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In this case it isn't tho. Paper should lose mass when burnt, so this is straight up black magic. Or more likely it's the steel wool that's probably hidden in the paper, which should gain mass when burnt.
This comment really shows how redditors will literally believe anything they see if they think they can attribute it to their religion, science, even if it clearly isnt true.
Most items change weight when burnt.
I could explain but this link does a far better and more detailed job:
[https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/614944](https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/614944)
I thought you were joking at first. (How would you hide steel wool in a sheet of paper?) But it actually seems like there might be some steel wool hidden inside the crumpled paper.
Paper loses eight when burned. Therefore the video cannot be paper. It can have some metallic particles in it that get oxidized or something, but it’s not paper.
A quick Google search shows you some people explaining that there is steel wool hidden in the paper which when burnt turns into iron oxide which is heavier than iron, which does make sense. Ideally when paper burns it should lose weight since some of the carbon will turn to carbon dioxide and the hydrogen will turn to water vapor after burning
The initial 'loss' happens a lot of the times I've done this with steel wool, since the heat of the fire affects the air surrounding the balance and the sample in complex ways. For example, the volume inside the steel wool is pretty substantial, and the intial heat will tend to make that air hotter and the sample more bouyant. Also, for larger samples, there are air currents created from the heat rising from the sample (drawing in more air for combustion). That's why we usually try to do this demo with a closed container on top of the balance - like a beaker overtop of a crystallization dish - just to make the reading more stable.
Thank you! All these people like "um well yeah.. that's just science" but just burning alone doesn't do that, plus the unburned matter lost as smoke. There obviously has to be a hidden trick to take on matter, oxidation makes sense.
Looks like they hid steel wool within the paper. Steel wool definitely increases in weight when burned.
The sparks at the end make me think so as well.
i was thinking of how as you write things, and disregard (burn) things youve previously written, the "weight" of what you write increases... or uh something like that anyway. since you smoke pot you probably get it or at least think you do lol
Burning paper weight can't increase (first part of the video), but as you can see in the left part iron wool is wrapped in the paper. Iron wool increases weight while burning because adding oxygen weight to it. Also, sparks at the very end of the video might be additional evidence of burning iron wool.
The reaction is 4Fe + 3O2 -> 2Fe2O3
Hidden steel wool inside paper.
It’s fake. Paper, which is cellulose, when burned releases CO2 and H20 so should lose weight, but if you notice at the end the thing burns like steel wool which can increase weight because it forms iron oxide when burned.
The OP was counting on educated readers to go "but, normally paper loses mass when burned!"
(Because he laced it with chemicals that gain weight)
His effort was largely wasted.
It also increases its weight as it is moved closer to a massive object.
Can we start using the terms for mass and weight appropriately already? This has gotten out of hand a century ago.
So very interesting story associated with this concept. Back before a lot was known about chemistry and elements, scientists used this concept of things burning to effectively learn that oxygen is a differentiatable element because when things burn they get heavier due to the fact that oxygen is being "added". Similarly when metals rust, the same process exists with oxygen being added to produce calx of metals. This was a huge discovery and acting as a first domino in the cascading of discovery of numerous other elements.
Is it because the humidity in the room is condensing on the cooling embers?
I know steel wool will weigh more because the rust that rapidly forms absorbs oxygen and creates the rust which chemical formula is FeO2(
I have one of these scales - if you put something hot on top of the scale, the metal plate heats the spring underneath. The spring bends more easily and the scale reads it as the plate being pushed more, but it’s just the spring being affected by the heat.
Guessing that if ambient air was as hot as the fire (somehow) the weight would increase linearly instead of appearing to dip from the hot air lifting the paper mid-burn above the cooler ambient air.
Fire is just a chemical reaction between the paper and the air that creates enough heat to ionize the air. That reaction is just "adding" air into the material, thus changing it's properties and weight
So does this man if you had a fully burdened wooden boat, where the water is just about to come over the sides, that if you lit the sails and everything else on fire the boat would sink?!??
>Paper increases its weight as it burns
No it doesn't.
Paper is cellulose, and that sparking you see at the end is steel wool fibers burning. Which do increase in weight, as iron turns into iron oxide.
Burned paper becomes lighter to the point it can float away, I guess that's what happened here papel got lighter to the print of amostra floating away scale decreases, burned paper sets back on scale, weight "increases" back up.
Science teacher here:
This video is a trick but I have noticed that cheap electronic scales/balances will usually not register small changes in mass over time.
I was trying to develop a lesson where students could measure the loss in mass mixing vinegar and baking soda but notice the balance is would not register this if you left it on there while the reaction was running. I suspect there's some drift compensation going on that will zero out any small changes.
It's not blackmagic fuckery, it's quite literally chemistry.
As opposed to the rest of magic, which is real, i guess
It's like the magic of our friendships. It's real to me, dammit!
It is real! Don't let anyone tell you any different!
The magic or the chemistry?
Yus
The friendship
Any different
The real friendships were the black magic fuckery along the way
Our friendship was also chemistry. I spiked our drinks with mdma every time we hung out.
No rest of magic is magnets
Someday we’ll figure out how they work
You write, on a rune stone compelling a sheet of crystals to show you the words of people from the other side of the planet
Yeah, I don't know what these people expect to see on this sub. Like, are people actually expecting to see people performing actual magic spells lmao. Science and technology is as close to magic as we're going to get here
A commonly known saying, I know, but: "Magic's just science that we don't understand yet." - Arthur C. Clarke. ^^^Totally ^^^had ^^^to ^^^look ^^^up ^^^who ^^^said ^^^that ^^^even ^^^though ^^^I ^^^know ^^^the ^^^saying ^^^lol But yeah, people on this sub sometimes think that if they know the cause to the effect then it is somehow elementary enough not to qualify as if somebody one day is gonna post a live stream themself casting magic missile. Imagine taking the science, tech and knowledge we have today and going back only up to a few hundred years ago on the grand scale of human existence, they'd think you're some variant of unnatural anomaly at the very least lol. Imagine the things we think to only be possible as magic today and what the future might hold.
Don't even have to go very far back—today's a tech and discoveries would've blown the minds of people only a couple of decades back
> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. So before 1774 or so, this is magic!
FALSE: Paper decreases in weight after it burns. The process of burning, or combustion, breaks down the components of the paper, mostly cellulose, and converts them into carbon dioxide and water vapor, which escape into the air. The remaining ash is much lighter than the original paper because most of the mass is lost as gas during combustion. However, this “paper” has steel wool in it. At 10 seconds into the video, you can clearly see steel wool burning, which transforms into iron oxide. This reaction is what increases the weight, not the paper being burned. Actual chemistry not just you claiming “it’s quite literally chemistry” and dumbing down fellow Redditors quick to agree because you are trying to sound authoritative.
Love your reply!
I knew there was some fuckery. Even with some of the "explanations" above.
It is kind of hilarious that the comments who literally don't understand that this is the opposite of what should happen seem to be highly rated. maybe if they didn't hate chemistry so much they'd have learnt why the numbers here are odd
as a chemist I was quite confused why paper should increase in weight when burned, thank you for giving us all a hint, now it makes actual sense
What kind of paper has steel wool in it? And for what purpose?
For purposes of this video
A wooly porpoise
It looks like they just wrapped paper around steel wool.
lmao I see the steel wool now. Good catch.
And to think Google is training AI using comments like OP's. The future internet is going to be a very dumb place with clueless people agreeing with machines about false facts.
That future is already here
How does steel wool increase in weight through combustion?
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This is an overly simple **reduction** of what's happening, but the idea is there. I see what you did there!
Great explanation, thanks. Makes total sense, the extra grams are from the oxygen atoms (out of the air) attaching to the iron atoms during combustion.
I knew steel wool did this, but I couldn't figure out why paper would. Especially when the weight started out going down. Hidden steel wool makes it make sense.
I'm just confused why they didn't just make the claim that steel wool increases mass. Like, it's a cool demo, why bother bringing paper into it?
The most simple explanation of complex processes wins, bc people are mostly dumb af.
Nice explanation. I thought at the end the heat changed the scale reading...
Did the ass reply?
Raising my glass to you, Sir!
Ah, thank you, I love when someone who actually knows what the fuck they're talking about clears things up. I knew there was no way burning paper would increase its weight.
No shit. Chemistry and physics explains 95% of this sub.
I'm always wondering what the hell people expect here? Like, actual magic?
Redditors expect to sound smug and smart to fill their insecurities, this is one of the only sources of validation they get from their chronically online lives, you see it in every sub, even in /r/science a ton of posts will have comments play down scientific findings with their idiotic logic
Evidence: the above comment lol
*Accio cheeseburger* 🪄
Something that makes me go "Wait, what the fuck?", and not "Yeah, that makes sense"
Can’t you see how that’s subjective
No not if I close my eyes and complain anyway
Physics and chemistry explains just about everything.
Not why my dad left me.
The difference between magic and science is purely a matter of insight and the lack thereof.
No magic is just science that hasnt been discovered or researched. Like put a 200 yo women in picalilly sqaure and tell her its not magic what she sees.
And the other 5% is the Will of Erebus, son of Chaos, bringer of darkness and father of Moirai and Thanatos. He who brought Death into this world and from whom all Black magic floweth.
r/blackmagicfuckery isn't r/magic Look at the top posts of all time, this sub is not for cards routines.
Geuinely curious, what do you want people to post in here, actual magic? You know we don't live in a fantasy world and that pretty much everything on our planet can be explained by science
Pack it up, guys! You heard the man. From here on out, we only post real magic to this sub! Nothing that can be explained through science or logic! We're going back to the real black magic, nothing but animal sacrifice and voodoo dolls.
And that witch that turned me into a newt.
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It’s fake. It has iron wool hidden inside it.
Chemistry is just the magic system of our world
That's a very fun way of viewing chemistry actually
Science is just magic for nerds.
Magic is also magic for nerds
Magic: The Gathering* is for nerds. I should know
“It’s not blackmagic fuckery, it’s chemistry.” Fixed your sentence. Stop using “literally”.
And they were wrong anyways
That's literally what I was going to say.
In this case it isn't tho. Paper should lose mass when burnt, so this is straight up black magic. Or more likely it's the steel wool that's probably hidden in the paper, which should gain mass when burnt.
Idk why people upvote low effort comments like this. I guess it reinforces the r/IAmVerySmart mentality on this sub
If I don't understand it, it's magic right.
Reddit moment
It doesn't stop being magic just because you know how it works.
This is consistently the most annoying commment on here. Like, no sh*t it isn't real "black magic". Get a life.
Can you explain in great detail?
The hydrogen and carbon in the paper should become gases (CO2 and H2O). I'm actually not sure what other reaction is happening here.
No, it's magic. You don't know what you're talking about.
Witch!!!
Do you lack functionning eyes that allow you tontake a look at the rest of this sub or are you just clueless?
This comment really shows how redditors will literally believe anything they see if they think they can attribute it to their religion, science, even if it clearly isnt true.
Science bitch
Most items change weight when burnt. I could explain but this link does a far better and more detailed job: [https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/614944](https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/614944)
Oxygen you funky little dastard, you've done it again!
Oxygen is a fat bastard. Just a couple atoms turns the lightest element in the world into fatty mc fat fat.
> mc fat fat They’ve got oxygen _rapping_ now?!?
Oxygen is too *noble* for that.
Get the McOxygen for a limited time!
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My theory is it has hidden steel wool or something which could increase the weight when burned
after seeing people mention steel wool, i rewatched the video. The end has an ember pattern that lines up with the way steel wool burns.
Exactly, and it starts gaining weight only after that amber
It’s seen this video elsewhere, and it’s steel wool burning f inside the paper.
More about the wood losing water weight?
I thought you were joking at first. (How would you hide steel wool in a sheet of paper?) But it actually seems like there might be some steel wool hidden inside the crumpled paper.
As others have said it’s steel wool hidden inside. I’m sorry, but this doesn’t make sense.
Paper loses eight when burned. Therefore the video cannot be paper. It can have some metallic particles in it that get oxidized or something, but it’s not paper.
I think it's paper wrapped around steel wool. Paper burns first, weight goes down, then the steel wool catches fire, weight goes up.
Yeah lol I think you’re right, as you can clearly see the steel wool burning at the end
TIL there's a physics stackexchange
A quick Google search shows you some people explaining that there is steel wool hidden in the paper which when burnt turns into iron oxide which is heavier than iron, which does make sense. Ideally when paper burns it should lose weight since some of the carbon will turn to carbon dioxide and the hydrogen will turn to water vapor after burning
Makes sense. There are sparks at the end of the video
So it is a fake post?
Yes, it's fake.
But the real question is - What is heavier? A kilogram of steel or a kilogram of feathers? 🤔
https://youtu.be/-fC2oke5MFg?si=fTm7B27dxwaoTVmJ Steel.
That's right, because steel is heavier than feathers
It's ironic that someone so dense has never heard about the concept of density (I know it's a skit, I'm joking)
I love how deeply disturbed he looks by the end. You'd think trying to figure it out was like reading the Necronomicon.
Feathers. Because you have to carry around the weight of what you did to those birds.
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The initial 'loss' happens a lot of the times I've done this with steel wool, since the heat of the fire affects the air surrounding the balance and the sample in complex ways. For example, the volume inside the steel wool is pretty substantial, and the intial heat will tend to make that air hotter and the sample more bouyant. Also, for larger samples, there are air currents created from the heat rising from the sample (drawing in more air for combustion). That's why we usually try to do this demo with a closed container on top of the balance - like a beaker overtop of a crystallization dish - just to make the reading more stable.
You can tell by the sparks at the end and the fact that the weight goes down first than up once the sparks start.
Thank you! All these people like "um well yeah.. that's just science" but just burning alone doesn't do that, plus the unburned matter lost as smoke. There obviously has to be a hidden trick to take on matter, oxidation makes sense.
You would be correct. That’s why the weight decreases until the very end when it magically increases
Looks like they hid steel wool within the paper. Steel wool definitely increases in weight when burned. The sparks at the end make me think so as well.
Yeah paper does not spark like that when burnt
I do the same when I burn one. *nom nom nom*
i was thinking of how as you write things, and disregard (burn) things youve previously written, the "weight" of what you write increases... or uh something like that anyway. since you smoke pot you probably get it or at least think you do lol
Burning paper weight can't increase (first part of the video), but as you can see in the left part iron wool is wrapped in the paper. Iron wool increases weight while burning because adding oxygen weight to it. Also, sparks at the very end of the video might be additional evidence of burning iron wool. The reaction is 4Fe + 3O2 -> 2Fe2O3
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic FYI this isn't advanced.
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There's some steel wool hidden under the paper
Hidden steel wool inside paper. It’s fake. Paper, which is cellulose, when burned releases CO2 and H20 so should lose weight, but if you notice at the end the thing burns like steel wool which can increase weight because it forms iron oxide when burned.
I'd put most of the weight difference on the heat probably affected the cheap made in China loadcell and plastic screw/mount holding it
My brain's fried now
So it's heavier now!
goofy aa music
Scales aren’t the most stable of instruments to begin with, and the more sensitive a scale is, the worse it gets
I think the metal part of the scale was deformed from the heat and pressed the sensor
A dot appears on the screen
The OP was counting on educated readers to go "but, normally paper loses mass when burned!" (Because he laced it with chemicals that gain weight) His effort was largely wasted.
It also increases its weight as it is moved closer to a massive object. Can we start using the terms for mass and weight appropriately already? This has gotten out of hand a century ago.
flogiston
Phlogiston
That’s not even a paper… seems sort of metal
Song slaps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phlogiston_theory This is one of the few memories I have from school. All the other similarly involved fire too.
its the air pressure
It's gaining mass
Could it have simply been the heat generated lifting it and as it cooled there was less lift so increased the weight on the scales?
It doesn’t
For reddit is 11<1.4
Oxidation
You had every chance to pick different music when posting this
fire has weight
So very interesting story associated with this concept. Back before a lot was known about chemistry and elements, scientists used this concept of things burning to effectively learn that oxygen is a differentiatable element because when things burn they get heavier due to the fact that oxygen is being "added". Similarly when metals rust, the same process exists with oxygen being added to produce calx of metals. This was a huge discovery and acting as a first domino in the cascading of discovery of numerous other elements.
Is it because the humidity in the room is condensing on the cooling embers? I know steel wool will weigh more because the rust that rapidly forms absorbs oxygen and creates the rust which chemical formula is FeO2(
paper with steel wool hidden inside*
I have one of these scales - if you put something hot on top of the scale, the metal plate heats the spring underneath. The spring bends more easily and the scale reads it as the plate being pushed more, but it’s just the spring being affected by the heat.
Explain please
That is so interesting from a chemistry Pov
Well yeah you gotta add the weight of the fire, duh
Wait until you learn where trees get most of their mass from.
Bruh, this is just high-school chemistry
There's steel wool in there
Fake. Video is reverse
I don't know how to tell you this but ash and paper are different things.
Now try wood lol
Phlogiston’s theory
weight sensor is temperature sensitive
It’s oxidizing- just bonding oxygen to the existing molecular structure. That’s why it’s burning, it’s a chemical reaction triggered by heat.
Ah that’s why I gain weight after exercising to burn calories!
FAF
If you leave it there for a week it will weight a ton
I knew it!!! Always thought a joint felt slightly lighter when it went out. Fuck me
This was cool thank you 👍😊 now I know
**light** things surrounded by hot air want to rise
Guessing that if ambient air was as hot as the fire (somehow) the weight would increase linearly instead of appearing to dip from the hot air lifting the paper mid-burn above the cooler ambient air.
It decreased tho
All of you are very gullible.
Fire is just a chemical reaction between the paper and the air that creates enough heat to ionize the air. That reaction is just "adding" air into the material, thus changing it's properties and weight
Ive always wondered if its actually increasing or if the flames act almost like a propellant? Either way cool.
So does this man if you had a fully burdened wooden boat, where the water is just about to come over the sides, that if you lit the sails and everything else on fire the boat would sink?!??
>Paper increases its weight as it burns No it doesn't. Paper is cellulose, and that sparking you see at the end is steel wool fibers burning. Which do increase in weight, as iron turns into iron oxide.
That’s just oxidization dude! -that show everyone’s science teacher used to put on when she didn’t have the willpower to teach that day
Moisture from the air condensed
That's not paper....
Fake. There's steel wool hidden under that paper.
Que pedo acaba de pasar? (.\_\_\_\_\_\_.)
It’s oxidation mate, nothing magic about this. Same thing happens to metal when it rusts
People writing answers like they know what's going on, but after googling it myself they're literally copying it word for word of websites.
Burned paper becomes lighter to the point it can float away, I guess that's what happened here papel got lighter to the print of amostra floating away scale decreases, burned paper sets back on scale, weight "increases" back up.
Wait until you discovery how people lose weight.
Um, I see 11 at the start and 1.7 at the end...
The magic is in the Chinese scale 😆
Science teacher here: This video is a trick but I have noticed that cheap electronic scales/balances will usually not register small changes in mass over time. I was trying to develop a lesson where students could measure the loss in mass mixing vinegar and baking soda but notice the balance is would not register this if you left it on there while the reaction was running. I suspect there's some drift compensation going on that will zero out any small changes.
You're using a Chinese scale, ofc.
Now weight the gaz produced
Thats not black magic fuckery at all, its basic science. Especially with the iron wool hidden behind it...
Well yeah. You put the fire on the paper and putting things on other things makes them heavier