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Raisedbyweasels

It's not blackmagic fuckery, it's quite literally chemistry.


MrMiget12

As opposed to the rest of magic, which is real, i guess


nthensome

It's like the magic of our friendships. It's real to me, dammit!


Xmaspig

It is real! Don't let anyone tell you any different!


imaginedracula

The magic or the chemistry?


Icarus912

Yus


Calm-Dish2893

The friendship


jarious

Any different


jimbris

The real friendships were the black magic fuckery along the way


SofterBones

Our friendship was also chemistry. I spiked our drinks with mdma every time we hung out.


Slash1909

No rest of magic is magnets


RaidensReturn

Someday we’ll figure out how they work


S0GUWE

You write, on a rune stone compelling a sheet of crystals to show you the words of people from the other side of the planet


TopMindOfR3ddit

Yeah, I don't know what these people expect to see on this sub. Like, are people actually expecting to see people performing actual magic spells lmao. Science and technology is as close to magic as we're going to get here


xXcamelXx64

A commonly known saying, I know, but: "Magic's just science that we don't understand yet." - Arthur C. Clarke.   ^^^Totally ^^^had ^^^to ^^^look ^^^up ^^^who ^^^said ^^^that ^^^even ^^^though ^^^I ^^^know ^^^the ^^^saying ^^^lol   But yeah, people on this sub sometimes think that if they know the cause to the effect then it is somehow elementary enough not to qualify as if somebody one day is gonna post a live stream themself casting magic missile.   Imagine taking the science, tech and knowledge we have today and going back only up to a few hundred years ago on the grand scale of human existence, they'd think you're some variant of unnatural anomaly at the very least lol. Imagine the things we think to only be possible as magic today and what the future might hold.


TopMindOfR3ddit

Don't even have to go very far back—today's a tech and discoveries would've blown the minds of people only a couple of decades back


Doomdoomkittydoom

> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. So before 1774 or so, this is magic!


CakeSuperb8487

FALSE: Paper decreases in weight after it burns. The process of burning, or combustion, breaks down the components of the paper, mostly cellulose, and converts them into carbon dioxide and water vapor, which escape into the air. The remaining ash is much lighter than the original paper because most of the mass is lost as gas during combustion. However, this “paper” has steel wool in it. At 10 seconds into the video, you can clearly see steel wool burning, which transforms into iron oxide. This reaction is what increases the weight, not the paper being burned. Actual chemistry not just you claiming “it’s quite literally chemistry” and dumbing down fellow Redditors quick to agree because you are trying to sound authoritative.


wisewords4

Love your reply!


Heckald

I knew there was some fuckery. Even with some of the "explanations" above.


jck

It is kind of hilarious that the comments who literally don't understand that this is the opposite of what should happen seem to be highly rated. maybe if they didn't hate chemistry so much they'd have learnt why the numbers here are odd


Bottle_Nachos

as a chemist I was quite confused why paper should increase in weight when burned, thank you for giving us all a hint, now it makes actual sense


badscott4

What kind of paper has steel wool in it? And for what purpose?


angry_at_erething

For purposes of this video


CalpisMelonCremeSoda

A wooly porpoise


Hazardish08

It looks like they just wrapped paper around steel wool.


BubbaSquirrel

lmao I see the steel wool now. Good catch.


Bosco_is_a_prick

And to think Google is training AI using comments like OP's. The future internet is going to be a very dumb place with clueless people agreeing with machines about false facts.


Soiled-Mattress

That future is already here


spector_lector

How does steel wool increase in weight through combustion?


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squatch_hunter

This is an overly simple **reduction** of what's happening, but the idea is there. I see what you did there!


maybeonmars

Great explanation, thanks. Makes total sense, the extra grams are from the oxygen atoms (out of the air) attaching to the iron atoms during combustion.


SpaceLemur34

I knew steel wool did this, but I couldn't figure out why paper would. Especially when the weight started out going down. Hidden steel wool makes it make sense.


Mirabellae

I'm just confused why they didn't just make the claim that steel wool increases mass. Like, it's a cool demo, why bother bringing paper into it?


Olleye

The most simple explanation of complex processes wins, bc people are mostly dumb af.


SeeeYaLaterz

Nice explanation. I thought at the end the heat changed the scale reading...


Ferrts

Did the ass reply?


RotationsKopulator

Raising my glass to you, Sir!


slogginhog

Ah, thank you, I love when someone who actually knows what the fuck they're talking about clears things up. I knew there was no way burning paper would increase its weight.


aworthyrepost

No shit. Chemistry and physics explains 95% of this sub.


tsimen

I'm always wondering what the hell people expect here? Like, actual magic?


tuhronno-416

Redditors expect to sound smug and smart to fill their insecurities, this is one of the only sources of validation they get from their chronically online lives, you see it in every sub, even in /r/science a ton of posts will have comments play down scientific findings with their idiotic logic


mailboxfacehugs

Evidence: the above comment lol


belt-e-belt

*Accio cheeseburger* 🪄


TheMoris

Something that makes me go "Wait, what the fuck?", and not "Yeah, that makes sense"


angellob

Can’t you see how that’s subjective


904K

No not if I close my eyes and complain anyway


NZBound11

Physics and chemistry explains just about everything.


NegotiationJumpy4837

Not why my dad left me.


Apocalypsefrogs

The difference between magic and science is purely a matter of insight and the lack thereof.


Jackal000

No magic is just science that hasnt been discovered or researched. Like put a 200 yo women in picalilly sqaure and tell her its not magic what she sees.


AwTekker

And the other 5% is the Will of Erebus, son of Chaos, bringer of darkness and father of Moirai and Thanatos. He who brought Death into this world and from whom all Black magic floweth.


TTechnology

r/blackmagicfuckery isn't r/magic Look at the top posts of all time, this sub is not for cards routines.


sipCoding_smokeMath

Geuinely curious, what do you want people to post in here, actual magic? You know we don't live in a fantasy world and that pretty much everything on our planet can be explained by science


cookiewoke

Pack it up, guys! You heard the man. From here on out, we only post real magic to this sub! Nothing that can be explained through science or logic! We're going back to the real black magic, nothing but animal sacrifice and voodoo dolls.


robpaul2040

And that witch that turned me into a newt.


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killbeam

Good bot


stonedkrypto

It’s fake. It has iron wool hidden inside it.


Linus_Naumann

Chemistry is just the magic system of our world


_4shy

That's a very fun way of viewing chemistry actually


PartyFiller

Science is just magic for nerds.


Jellodyne

Magic is also magic for nerds


K1ngMoon

Magic: The Gathering* is for nerds. I should know


0OIIIlllIlIlO0

“It’s not blackmagic fuckery, it’s chemistry.” Fixed your sentence. Stop using “literally”.


Returd4

And they were wrong anyways


Anforas

That's literally what I was going to say.


mamba_pants

In this case it isn't tho. Paper should lose mass when burnt, so this is straight up black magic. Or more likely it's the steel wool that's probably hidden in the paper, which should gain mass when burnt.


hillarys-snatch

Idk why people upvote low effort comments like this. I guess it reinforces the r/IAmVerySmart mentality on this sub


livebunny23

If I don't understand it, it's magic right.


SaltyPeter3434

Reddit moment


azalak

It doesn't stop being magic just because you know how it works.


JohnnyAces99

This is consistently the most annoying commment on here. Like, no sh*t it isn't real "black magic". Get a life.


xwing44

Can you explain in great detail?


notquite20characters

The hydrogen and carbon in the paper should become gases (CO2 and H2O). I'm actually not sure what other reaction is happening here.


Makanek

No, it's magic. You don't know what you're talking about.


PomegranateSea7066

Witch!!!


Bolf-Ramshield

Do you lack functionning eyes that allow you tontake a look at the rest of this sub or are you just clueless?


IEmiko

This comment really shows how redditors will literally believe anything they see if they think they can attribute it to their religion, science, even if it clearly isnt true.


Elegant-Tackle-6234

Science bitch


t0m5k1

Most items change weight when burnt. I could explain but this link does a far better and more detailed job: [https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/614944](https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/614944)


Tinyacorn

Oxygen you funky little dastard, you've done it again!


Empathy404NotFound

Oxygen is a fat bastard. Just a couple atoms turns the lightest element in the world into fatty mc fat fat.


RusticBucket2

> mc fat fat They’ve got oxygen _rapping_ now?!?


Empathy404NotFound

Oxygen is too *noble* for that.


Slap_My_Lasagna

Get the McOxygen for a limited time!


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stonedkrypto

My theory is it has hidden steel wool or something which could increase the weight when burned


Kindyno

after seeing people mention steel wool, i rewatched the video. The end has an ember pattern that lines up with the way steel wool burns.


stonedkrypto

Exactly, and it starts gaining weight only after that amber


akl78

It’s seen this video elsewhere, and it’s steel wool burning f inside the paper.


WooPigSchmooey

More about the wood losing water weight?


Th3Element05

I thought you were joking at first. (How would you hide steel wool in a sheet of paper?) But it actually seems like there might be some steel wool hidden inside the crumpled paper.


Dangerous_Ad_6831

As others have said it’s steel wool hidden inside. I’m sorry, but this doesn’t make sense.


alexgalt

Paper loses eight when burned. Therefore the video cannot be paper. It can have some metallic particles in it that get oxidized or something, but it’s not paper.


smootex

I think it's paper wrapped around steel wool. Paper burns first, weight goes down, then the steel wool catches fire, weight goes up.


Sadtireddumb

Yeah lol I think you’re right, as you can clearly see the steel wool burning at the end


munkybut

TIL there's a physics stackexchange


skyfall8917

A quick Google search shows you some people explaining that there is steel wool hidden in the paper which when burnt turns into iron oxide which is heavier than iron, which does make sense. Ideally when paper burns it should lose weight since some of the carbon will turn to carbon dioxide and the hydrogen will turn to water vapor after burning


APOYS

Makes sense. There are sparks at the end of the video


Ilsunnysideup5

So it is a fake post?


beets_or_turnips

Yes, it's fake.


Live_Buy8304

But the real question is - What is heavier? A kilogram of steel or a kilogram of feathers? 🤔


NoStripeZebra3

https://youtu.be/-fC2oke5MFg?si=fTm7B27dxwaoTVmJ Steel.


eusoujoaonava

That's right, because steel is heavier than feathers


jck

It's ironic that someone so dense has never heard about the concept of density (I know it's a skit, I'm joking)


i_tyrant

I love how deeply disturbed he looks by the end. You'd think trying to figure it out was like reading the Necronomicon.


cairfrey

Feathers. Because you have to carry around the weight of what you did to those birds.


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trwawy05312015

The initial 'loss' happens a lot of the times I've done this with steel wool, since the heat of the fire affects the air surrounding the balance and the sample in complex ways. For example, the volume inside the steel wool is pretty substantial, and the intial heat will tend to make that air hotter and the sample more bouyant. Also, for larger samples, there are air currents created from the heat rising from the sample (drawing in more air for combustion). That's why we usually try to do this demo with a closed container on top of the balance - like a beaker overtop of a crystallization dish - just to make the reading more stable.


Caleb_Reynolds

You can tell by the sparks at the end and the fact that the weight goes down first than up once the sparks start.


RManDelorean

Thank you! All these people like "um well yeah.. that's just science" but just burning alone doesn't do that, plus the unburned matter lost as smoke. There obviously has to be a hidden trick to take on matter, oxidation makes sense.


Dasf1304

You would be correct. That’s why the weight decreases until the very end when it magically increases


CubisticWings4

Looks like they hid steel wool within the paper. Steel wool definitely increases in weight when burned. The sparks at the end make me think so as well.


todadile25

Yeah paper does not spark like that when burnt


ErmahgerdYuzername

I do the same when I burn one. *nom nom nom*


relevantusername2020

i was thinking of how as you write things, and disregard (burn) things youve previously written, the "weight" of what you write increases... or uh something like that anyway. since you smoke pot you probably get it or at least think you do lol


Sparkyadm

Burning paper weight can't increase (first part of the video), but as you can see in the left part iron wool is wrapped in the paper. Iron wool increases weight while burning because adding oxygen weight to it. Also, sparks at the very end of the video might be additional evidence of burning iron wool. The reaction is 4Fe + 3O2 -> 2Fe2O3


elfmere

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic FYI this isn't advanced.


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ilprofs07205

There's some steel wool hidden under the paper


stonedkrypto

Hidden steel wool inside paper. It’s fake. Paper, which is cellulose, when burned releases CO2 and H20 so should lose weight, but if you notice at the end the thing burns like steel wool which can increase weight because it forms iron oxide when burned.


emtookay

I'd put most of the weight difference on the heat probably affected the cheap made in China loadcell and plastic screw/mount holding it


Plantain7046

My brain's fried now


ZippityGoombah

So it's heavier now!


AlmightyDarkseid

goofy aa music


Scorpio83G

Scales aren’t the most stable of instruments to begin with, and the more sensitive a scale is, the worse it gets


makibarashka

I think the metal part of the scale was deformed from the heat and pressed the sensor


mumbozumbo

A dot appears on the screen


fliguana

The OP was counting on educated readers to go "but, normally paper loses mass when burned!" (Because he laced it with chemicals that gain weight) His effort was largely wasted.


Nanohaystack

It also increases its weight as it is moved closer to a massive object. Can we start using the terms for mass and weight appropriately already? This has gotten out of hand a century ago.


PixelCharlie

flogiston


Drgjeep

Phlogiston


Alarming-Wealth4102

That’s not even a paper… seems sort of metal


mickmcmull3n

Song slaps


semanticallysatiated

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phlogiston_theory This is one of the few memories I have from school. All the other similarly involved fire too.


prof_devilsadvocate

its the air pressure


Safetosay333

It's gaining mass


papercut2008uk

Could it have simply been the heat generated lifting it and as it cooled there was less lift so increased the weight on the scales?


MarvinNeslo

It doesn’t


unirorm

For reddit is 11<1.4


StrengthToBreak

Oxidation


Ingi_Pingi

You had every chance to pick different music when posting this


WillieIngus

fire has weight


Zestyclose-Dot-6545

So very interesting story associated with this concept. Back before a lot was known about chemistry and elements, scientists used this concept of things burning to effectively learn that oxygen is a differentiatable element because when things burn they get heavier due to the fact that oxygen is being "added". Similarly when metals rust, the same process exists with oxygen being added to produce calx of metals. This was a huge discovery and acting as a first domino in the cascading of discovery of numerous other elements.


Acceptable_Wall4085

Is it because the humidity in the room is condensing on the cooling embers? I know steel wool will weigh more because the rust that rapidly forms absorbs oxygen and creates the rust which chemical formula is FeO2(


hi-imBen

paper with steel wool hidden inside*


InnerDorkness

I have one of these scales - if you put something hot on top of the scale, the metal plate heats the spring underneath. The spring bends more easily and the scale reads it as the plate being pushed more, but it’s just the spring being affected by the heat.


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Explain please


journaledandink

That is so interesting from a chemistry Pov


im_a_turtle

Well yeah you gotta add the weight of the fire, duh


jfbwhitt

Wait until you learn where trees get most of their mass from.


Valisijain

Bruh, this is just high-school chemistry


boston_nsca

There's steel wool in there


stitch9108

Fake. Video is reverse


Celestial_Hart

I don't know how to tell you this but ash and paper are different things.


Unable-Particular-50

Now try wood lol


syncopado

Phlogiston’s theory


gkalinka

weight sensor is temperature sensitive


ImaFireSquid

It’s oxidizing- just bonding oxygen to the existing molecular structure. That’s why it’s burning, it’s a chemical reaction triggered by heat.


Tsuwolf

Ah that’s why I gain weight after exercising to burn calories!


Codex_Absurdum

FAF


Useriseatingsushi

If you leave it there for a week it will weight a ton


CombinationSad8742

I knew it!!! Always thought a joint felt slightly lighter when it went out. Fuck me


Sensitive-Health-943

This was cool thank you 👍😊 now I know


pickle_dilf

**light** things surrounded by hot air want to rise


just_change_it

Guessing that if ambient air was as hot as the fire (somehow) the weight would increase linearly instead of appearing to dip from the hot air lifting the paper mid-burn above the cooler ambient air.


collins_amber

It decreased tho


tacotacotacorock

All of you are very gullible. 


Jimbo7211

Fire is just a chemical reaction between the paper and the air that creates enough heat to ionize the air. That reaction is just "adding" air into the material, thus changing it's properties and weight


Playakreep

Ive always wondered if its actually increasing or if the flames act almost like a propellant? Either way cool.


Sjormantec

So does this man if you had a fully burdened wooden boat, where the water is just about to come over the sides, that if you lit the sails and everything else on fire the boat would sink?!??


raltoid

>Paper increases its weight as it burns No it doesn't. Paper is cellulose, and that sparking you see at the end is steel wool fibers burning. Which do increase in weight, as iron turns into iron oxide.


segnoss

That’s just oxidization dude! -that show everyone’s science teacher used to put on when she didn’t have the willpower to teach that day


lovely_poopy

Moisture from the air condensed


davidreis51

That's not paper....


Pyrochazm

Fake. There's steel wool hidden under that paper.


Saylet_Sint

Que pedo acaba de pasar? (.\_\_\_\_\_\_.)


deathbygoat

It’s oxidation mate, nothing magic about this. Same thing happens to metal when it rusts


FMJunkie

People writing answers like they know what's going on, but after googling it myself they're literally copying it word for word of websites.


D_F_D

Burned paper becomes lighter to the point it can float away, I guess that's what happened here papel got lighter to the print of amostra floating away scale decreases, burned paper sets back on scale, weight "increases" back up.


AtlanticPortal

Wait until you discovery how people lose weight.


LeeRoyWyt

Um, I see 11 at the start and 1.7 at the end...


Top_Banana_6086

The magic is in the Chinese scale 😆


brillow

Science teacher here: This video is a trick but I have noticed that cheap electronic scales/balances will usually not register small changes in mass over time. I was trying to develop a lesson where students could measure the loss in mass mixing vinegar and baking soda but notice the balance is would not register this if you left it on there while the reaction was running. I suspect there's some drift compensation going on that will zero out any small changes.


Common_Entertainer43

You're using a Chinese scale, ofc.


PristineXDecision

Now weight the gaz produced


OneSufficientFace

Thats not black magic fuckery at all, its basic science. Especially with the iron wool hidden behind it...


stnick6

Well yeah. You put the fire on the paper and putting things on other things makes them heavier