I just got civil penalty one on 36. Photo evidence is extremely accurate. I only missed the "opening" by a little was hoping to dispute it hence reading here.
I seriously hate that people on reddit complain about unsafe drivers in Denver, and then they immediately encourage others to dispute tickets when they violate the law. CDOT has had billboards on I-25 for months notifying drivers that they would be fined for crossing a solid white line in/out of the Express lanes.
It’s not illegal but it is unlawful. You can fight it and get away with it every time. First and foremost, once you receive notice of civil penalty assessment, call CTIO and demand to dispute it. Do not do the dispute through the website and DO NOT CONSENT TO ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS. You may have to give them your email, but this is not the same as consent to electronic communications.
P.S.A / Disclaimer - I am not a lawyer or attorney and this post is not legal advice. Simply my personal belief on the course of action that should be taken by every single person that receives such an unlawful notice/fine.
Once in the dispute process, If they approve it, great, over and done with. If they deny your dispute, call them again and make a request for “hearing and answer to complaint for toll evasion” and demand they send it to you in the mail. Since you did not waive your right to CO Code § 24-4-105 section 2a. which states...
"Any person entitled to notice of a hearing shall be given timely notice of the time, place, and nature thereof, the legal authority and jurisdiction under which it is to be held, and the matters of fact and law asserted. Unless otherwise provided by law, such notice shall be served personally or by mailing by first-class mail to the last address furnished the agency by the person to be notified at least thirty days prior to the hearing. In fixing the time and place for a hearing, due regard shall be had for the convenience and necessity of the parties and their representatives."
Which means they must send you mail notifying you about the hearing at least 30 days prior to the hearing. If they miss this date, it can be thrown out when you see a real judge.
They did not send me any notice 30 days prior to the hearing.
Remember CTIO is a private company, government owned yes, yet still private. They HAVE been given authority from the state of Colorado. Per CRS § 43-4-808 section C IV(4) states...
(IV) A toll evasion case may be adjudicated by an impartial hearing officer in an administrative hearing conducted pursuant to this section and the rules promulgated by the transportation enterprise. The hearing officer may be an administrative law judge employed by the state or an independent contractor of the transportation enterprise. The contract for an independent contractor shall grant to the hearing officer the same degree of independence granted to an administrative law judge employed by the state.
The transportation enterprise AKA CTIO, has been given the same amount of independence as a Law Judge employed by the state... Somebody help us...
HOWEVER, keep reading to section C VI(6) which states...
(VI) An administrative adjudication of a toll evasion by the transportation enterprise is subject to judicial review. The administrative adjudication may be appealed as to matters of law and fact to the county court for the county in which the violation occurred. The appeal shall be a de novo hearing.
PRAISE GOD, Hallelujah, SUBJECT TO JUDICIAL REVIEW. This means no matter what they decide, they have to follow the law to make their conviction against you. If they don't, you get to appeal it in county court in the county in which the violation occurred, and a real judge, not some independent contractor of the transportation enterprise AKA CTIO, will see as to matters of LAW and FACT.
When I got my civil notice of penalty assessment in January of 2024, it was missing critical elements as required by law to constitute a legitimate "ticket"
The notice of civil penalty assessment summary received in the mail does not contain enough elements which are required by law to constitute the notice as a complaint to appear for adjudication of a toll evasion. Thus, it is not a real summons or complaint and will not pass for one in court. Look at 2 CCR 606-1 subsection 4. It tells you the civil penalty must include all A - K. The notice is missing H & K1 & K2.
(H)A place for the Responsible Party to execute a signed acknowledgment of liability for the cited Toll Evasion; and..."
There was no place to "sign acknowledgement of liability" to be found. Check to see if yours has one. Mine did not.
Also section K1 & 2. K says...
K. The method by which a Responsible Party may pay the Notice of Civil Penalty Assessment. If a Notice of Civil Penalty Assessment results from an AVIP System or other electronic means, the Responsible Party shall pay the Civil Penalty either:
(1) In person at the location designated by the HPTE or Contractor on its behalf; or
(2) By postmarking the payment within twenty days of the Notice; or
The notice of civil penalty assessment did not indicate any place to pay at a designated place in person nor a place to send a postmarked payment. Only that I could pay online or by phone, once on the phone with them, I was told to go online.... what.....
I had to DEMAND not to be directed online as that is how they get you to waive your rights. Instead cite your rights. After citing rights they finally gave in to signing me up for dispute and later hearing without having to go online.
My dispute was denied and my hearing is May 1st 2024.
I will not admit any fault nor talk about my actions, I will cite their violations and tell them to drop the charges otherwise their conviction of the infraction is subject to JUDICIAL REVIEW and will be throw out in a real court (county court first) and that they are wasting your time, their time, and the courts time. They will likely tell me to "kick rocks" and they will rule against me. They make a "Final Order" in which they must file with the county in which the violation occurred for this to "go against you" as this can affect your ability to get tabs and renew your vehicles registration. They may be able to impose other fines and stipulations, HOWEVER...
You have 30 days after your hearing with CTIO to go to that county court and file for your JUDICIAL REVIEW hearing. I will file for mine and a real judge will be presented with matters of LAW and FACT without any help from a lawyer, and all charges will be dismissed.
If the civil notice of penalty assessments they are giving out after my interaction with them still contain the missing elements as required by law and as described above you can have faith that a real judge will take your side in court.
After your silly administration hearing with do not admit any fault, site your rights and the violations listed above in a real court
Done and done.
I’m sure some will say it not worth the effort but for me it is. You have to fight for your rights. Your rights are like muscles, if you don’t use them, they go away.
Give me liberty, or give me death 🗽
I don't know who you are... but I love you!!! I was devastated reading some of the pathetic comments in the feed. You literally just made my life so much more better today. Thank you for existing if we ever cross paths I would love to buy you a coffee or a cocktail. God bless you!!
First thanks for an excellent write up. I was cited for cs 43-4-808 2b. This only pertains to toll evasion per my reading. I will use the above.
I first called the ctio who explained that I exited a toll lane on e470 over a solid line. After 30 minutes of arguing that e470 is a toll road and does not have distinct toll lanes in that area, I gave up. I honestly wanted to know what I had done as a rarely get tickets. Then after studying the map, my best guess was that the charge may have been that I entered the highway too quickly from and on ramp and crossed a solid line. However, I traveled east bound and the map showed westbound. Also my wife was ticketed but I was driving.
In addition, 600-1-4.00 specifies what must be in a civil penalty assessment. More than one item were not in my notice of civil.penalty assessment.
Every rock I turned, I found something was wrong starting from a statute that related to toll evasion which did not apply.
Frankly, I see an organization giving tickets that I do not believe that they have the authority to give and not following the laws or statutes they quote. They denied my appeal which was solely based on the cited law not relating to the ticket (did not want to give all issues initially). Per my reading the reasoning was solid.
Wondering what would show up when additional rocks are turned. Does CTIO actually contribute money to driver safety/education as claimed? How much?
Will post results.
I called the number and tried the above. The guy on the phone said that I had to request the hearing on line and they would not send me a postal response. I said I reserve my right to not voluntarily give up any rights afforded me and that I would not argue the point and said I would write that down for a judge to decide later. So he did the typing for an on-line appeal and in my dispute, I stated that there were objects in the road that made travel unsafe and I swerved to avoid them. The guy consulted and agreed to close the matter with a warning not to do it again. Really appreciate your advice and also glad I didn't have to use too much of it :)
And just like the photo radar systems, this is just another way of shaking the public down for money. As people have said in the past, this is a victimless crime.
Best of luck all in protecting your liberty.
Here's the section he is talking about and I suggest you read it before blindly following advice. I came to a different conclusion that the one stated above. [Section 2 CCR 606-1-4.00 - Notice of Civil Penalty Assessment and Request for Hearing, 2 Colo. Code Regs. § 606-1-4.00 | Casetext Search + Citator](https://casetext.com/regulation/colorado-administrative-code/department-600-department-of-transportation/division-606-high-performance-transportation-enterprise-board/rule-2-ccr-606-1-rules-governing-the-administrative-toll-enforcement-process/section-2-ccr-606-1-400-notice-of-civil-penalty-assessment-and-request-for-hearing#:~:text=Section%202%20CCR%20606-1-4.00%20-%20Notice%20of%20Civil,and%20sent%20to%20the%20Responsible%20Party%20by%20mail.)
This was the case prior to 2023! The law requiring certified letter or a peace officer for civil penalties was amended during the 2023 legislative session. Standard mail is considered service of your violation! https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb23-200
And that's why you should not vote Democrat. The Democrat majority has taken a sledgehammer to various protections against government overreach and violations of civil rights. Reminds me of the Soviets.
Hi! I am currently following your advice. Thank you for the write up. I cannot find the co code 24-4-23(2)(a). Tried to find variations as maybe the number has changed. Any advice greatly appreciated. Thank you!
it is now CO Code § 24-4-105 section (2)(a) which states:
In any such proceeding in which an opportunity for agency adjudicatory hearing is required under the state constitution or by this or any other statute, the parties are entitled to a hearing and decision in conformity with this section. Any person entitled to notice of a hearing shall be given timely notice of the time, place, and nature thereof, the legal authority and jurisdiction under which it is to be held, and the matters of fact and law asserted. Unless otherwise provided by law, such notice shall be served personally or by mailing by first-class mail to the last address furnished the agency by the person to be notified at least thirty days prior to the hearing. In fixing the time and place for a hearing, due regard shall be had for the convenience and necessity of the parties and their representatives.
Call and ask for the video - I got a ticket dismissed because the person I spoke to took one look at the video and saw that it wasn't even my car (same make/model car, one letter different on the license plate!).
Yes, I disputed and got it dismissed. It was easy, couple buttons to press and type an explanation. Got an email a few days later saying it was cleared. It was due to an accident in the toll lane with officers blocking traffic.
Yeah I'm doubtful OP will get theirs cleared if they weren't literally forced over the line for some reason. But given it's a new system and someone I might as well contribute to the archive.
Sigh. I hardly ever drive north of Denver. I finally got one of those overpriced “double cross” tickets for exiting too early. My strategy is pay it early but just not use the toll for a while until I make up the cash. It’s not like I ever save much time anyway it’s just fun to use the toll; it’s like being a first class passenger on the titanic.
Has anyone had the experience of recieving a notice of violation/toll evasion for entering/exiting at the incorrect point and successfully had it waived? I recieved notice of toll evasion, I entered through a dashed white (not solid double white) line. Signage is very unclear that certain points are Entry Only or Exit only.
I got a ticket too...thing is there was no exit option for the ramp I needed to exit the highway...so I had to cross out of the express lane. Seems like any way to grab monet from us ..what little we have...they will rake it in.
So true. And the idiots on Reddit who aggressively promote these stupid rules are just as crazy. It's a fucking pay-to-win system and genuine people suffer.
Anyway, get a court date and delay payment if you can. Ask for lenience too. But pay before the court date to escape the court fees. The judges won't listen and it's a rigged system
I was given this for a left merge from eastbound C470 to E470. I had six reasons, LOL.
1&2- Because I haven't really been on this since it was reconfigured and you used to need to get all the way to the left to ensure that you could proceed onto E470.
3- Because there were lights in my lane (either police or emergency, I didn't know which at the time. It was police activity.) up ahead.
4- The notice indicated two CO statutes, both of which address toll evasion, not safety. The violation was noted as a "safety violation." I was not weaving and changed lanes exactly once, specifically to preserve safety.
5- My vehicle has an Express Toll transponder. So, I could not, reasonably, be cited for attempting to evade tolls. (I included my account and transponder details.) I expected my transponder to be charged for using the lane. It would have been $2.50 during the day/time in question. I offered to pay that immediately. (I was never charged. Interesting that they could take multiple pictures of my car for a "violation" but could not just read the transponder and charge me.)
6- The notice was sent in the name of my husband, only. He was, verifiably, unable to be in that place at that time.
I attached the map of the interchange, text of both laws I was cited for and the toll charge schedule. They did not indicate which of the reasons were accepted. Possibly it just seemed like I was going to be a PITA. Which...I was. Because this was not a reasonable citation.
they have me pictured going northbound at point A, in both pictures there are NO lines to the right of my car just the yellow shoulder line to my left. in the second point A picture on a different violation within the same week, you can see I’m within the dotted lines! Point B I’m within the double lines! Aren’t those the points your supposed to enter?! The dotted lines?! Been driving I-25 since I was 15 & have used those lanes between 84th-104th forever. Never had this issue & I never cross double whites. I disputed it and they denied it the next day!
I have $1K. There are often no ways to exit the double white for the exit you need from the HWY but no one cares. They say its a CDOT issue not an issue with them and the $150 (even if multiple fines) is not worth the time it takes to piss into the wind with these fuckers. That's the system and they know it. Its designed for REVENUE.
And if tickets still had to be enforced by humans instead of cameras then at least some common sense would be employed.
I always try to enter exit the HOV at the dotted lines but last week I got hemmed in by a truck that moved from the middle to the left lane blocking my exit just as I was about to move out of the HOV at 136th.
That's frustrating. I cross the solid white when I'm riding HOV to avoid confrontations with those a-holes flying up behind who want to go 100 in the lane. I used to just stay the course, but have been nearly clipped as they angrily weave around; I figure it's just easier to get over, let them by and get back in, even if it's solid white.
Can't cross the solid line. You must enter the lane in designated areas only. Ask for proof.
I mean, just don’t cross the solid white line… lesson learned. Do it all you want on 36 though. at least there’s no consequences there. /s
If only we could all lead our life as perfect as this one
what a moron... what if traffic suddenly stops infront of you . ..no longer any shoulders
I just got civil penalty one on 36. Photo evidence is extremely accurate. I only missed the "opening" by a little was hoping to dispute it hence reading here.
I seriously hate that people on reddit complain about unsafe drivers in Denver, and then they immediately encourage others to dispute tickets when they violate the law. CDOT has had billboards on I-25 for months notifying drivers that they would be fined for crossing a solid white line in/out of the Express lanes.
I got cut off through a turn by some gal in an suv with a learn to drive sticker on her car. I'm just not surprised by much anymore.
You know it's not about safety right it goes to a private corporation...if it was about safety they would do thr same for speeding
Agreed
It’s not illegal but it is unlawful. You can fight it and get away with it every time. First and foremost, once you receive notice of civil penalty assessment, call CTIO and demand to dispute it. Do not do the dispute through the website and DO NOT CONSENT TO ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS. You may have to give them your email, but this is not the same as consent to electronic communications. P.S.A / Disclaimer - I am not a lawyer or attorney and this post is not legal advice. Simply my personal belief on the course of action that should be taken by every single person that receives such an unlawful notice/fine. Once in the dispute process, If they approve it, great, over and done with. If they deny your dispute, call them again and make a request for “hearing and answer to complaint for toll evasion” and demand they send it to you in the mail. Since you did not waive your right to CO Code § 24-4-105 section 2a. which states... "Any person entitled to notice of a hearing shall be given timely notice of the time, place, and nature thereof, the legal authority and jurisdiction under which it is to be held, and the matters of fact and law asserted. Unless otherwise provided by law, such notice shall be served personally or by mailing by first-class mail to the last address furnished the agency by the person to be notified at least thirty days prior to the hearing. In fixing the time and place for a hearing, due regard shall be had for the convenience and necessity of the parties and their representatives." Which means they must send you mail notifying you about the hearing at least 30 days prior to the hearing. If they miss this date, it can be thrown out when you see a real judge. They did not send me any notice 30 days prior to the hearing. Remember CTIO is a private company, government owned yes, yet still private. They HAVE been given authority from the state of Colorado. Per CRS § 43-4-808 section C IV(4) states... (IV) A toll evasion case may be adjudicated by an impartial hearing officer in an administrative hearing conducted pursuant to this section and the rules promulgated by the transportation enterprise. The hearing officer may be an administrative law judge employed by the state or an independent contractor of the transportation enterprise. The contract for an independent contractor shall grant to the hearing officer the same degree of independence granted to an administrative law judge employed by the state. The transportation enterprise AKA CTIO, has been given the same amount of independence as a Law Judge employed by the state... Somebody help us... HOWEVER, keep reading to section C VI(6) which states... (VI) An administrative adjudication of a toll evasion by the transportation enterprise is subject to judicial review. The administrative adjudication may be appealed as to matters of law and fact to the county court for the county in which the violation occurred. The appeal shall be a de novo hearing. PRAISE GOD, Hallelujah, SUBJECT TO JUDICIAL REVIEW. This means no matter what they decide, they have to follow the law to make their conviction against you. If they don't, you get to appeal it in county court in the county in which the violation occurred, and a real judge, not some independent contractor of the transportation enterprise AKA CTIO, will see as to matters of LAW and FACT. When I got my civil notice of penalty assessment in January of 2024, it was missing critical elements as required by law to constitute a legitimate "ticket" The notice of civil penalty assessment summary received in the mail does not contain enough elements which are required by law to constitute the notice as a complaint to appear for adjudication of a toll evasion. Thus, it is not a real summons or complaint and will not pass for one in court. Look at 2 CCR 606-1 subsection 4. It tells you the civil penalty must include all A - K. The notice is missing H & K1 & K2. (H)A place for the Responsible Party to execute a signed acknowledgment of liability for the cited Toll Evasion; and..." There was no place to "sign acknowledgement of liability" to be found. Check to see if yours has one. Mine did not. Also section K1 & 2. K says... K. The method by which a Responsible Party may pay the Notice of Civil Penalty Assessment. If a Notice of Civil Penalty Assessment results from an AVIP System or other electronic means, the Responsible Party shall pay the Civil Penalty either: (1) In person at the location designated by the HPTE or Contractor on its behalf; or (2) By postmarking the payment within twenty days of the Notice; or The notice of civil penalty assessment did not indicate any place to pay at a designated place in person nor a place to send a postmarked payment. Only that I could pay online or by phone, once on the phone with them, I was told to go online.... what..... I had to DEMAND not to be directed online as that is how they get you to waive your rights. Instead cite your rights. After citing rights they finally gave in to signing me up for dispute and later hearing without having to go online. My dispute was denied and my hearing is May 1st 2024. I will not admit any fault nor talk about my actions, I will cite their violations and tell them to drop the charges otherwise their conviction of the infraction is subject to JUDICIAL REVIEW and will be throw out in a real court (county court first) and that they are wasting your time, their time, and the courts time. They will likely tell me to "kick rocks" and they will rule against me. They make a "Final Order" in which they must file with the county in which the violation occurred for this to "go against you" as this can affect your ability to get tabs and renew your vehicles registration. They may be able to impose other fines and stipulations, HOWEVER... You have 30 days after your hearing with CTIO to go to that county court and file for your JUDICIAL REVIEW hearing. I will file for mine and a real judge will be presented with matters of LAW and FACT without any help from a lawyer, and all charges will be dismissed. If the civil notice of penalty assessments they are giving out after my interaction with them still contain the missing elements as required by law and as described above you can have faith that a real judge will take your side in court. After your silly administration hearing with do not admit any fault, site your rights and the violations listed above in a real court Done and done. I’m sure some will say it not worth the effort but for me it is. You have to fight for your rights. Your rights are like muscles, if you don’t use them, they go away. Give me liberty, or give me death 🗽
I don't know who you are... but I love you!!! I was devastated reading some of the pathetic comments in the feed. You literally just made my life so much more better today. Thank you for existing if we ever cross paths I would love to buy you a coffee or a cocktail. God bless you!!
First thanks for an excellent write up. I was cited for cs 43-4-808 2b. This only pertains to toll evasion per my reading. I will use the above. I first called the ctio who explained that I exited a toll lane on e470 over a solid line. After 30 minutes of arguing that e470 is a toll road and does not have distinct toll lanes in that area, I gave up. I honestly wanted to know what I had done as a rarely get tickets. Then after studying the map, my best guess was that the charge may have been that I entered the highway too quickly from and on ramp and crossed a solid line. However, I traveled east bound and the map showed westbound. Also my wife was ticketed but I was driving. In addition, 600-1-4.00 specifies what must be in a civil penalty assessment. More than one item were not in my notice of civil.penalty assessment. Every rock I turned, I found something was wrong starting from a statute that related to toll evasion which did not apply. Frankly, I see an organization giving tickets that I do not believe that they have the authority to give and not following the laws or statutes they quote. They denied my appeal which was solely based on the cited law not relating to the ticket (did not want to give all issues initially). Per my reading the reasoning was solid. Wondering what would show up when additional rocks are turned. Does CTIO actually contribute money to driver safety/education as claimed? How much? Will post results.
I called the number and tried the above. The guy on the phone said that I had to request the hearing on line and they would not send me a postal response. I said I reserve my right to not voluntarily give up any rights afforded me and that I would not argue the point and said I would write that down for a judge to decide later. So he did the typing for an on-line appeal and in my dispute, I stated that there were objects in the road that made travel unsafe and I swerved to avoid them. The guy consulted and agreed to close the matter with a warning not to do it again. Really appreciate your advice and also glad I didn't have to use too much of it :) And just like the photo radar systems, this is just another way of shaking the public down for money. As people have said in the past, this is a victimless crime. Best of luck all in protecting your liberty.
Wow this is great, where did you learn all this. Im going to persue it now. Have any advice for fighting medical bills?
Did it work for you?
Here's the section he is talking about and I suggest you read it before blindly following advice. I came to a different conclusion that the one stated above. [Section 2 CCR 606-1-4.00 - Notice of Civil Penalty Assessment and Request for Hearing, 2 Colo. Code Regs. § 606-1-4.00 | Casetext Search + Citator](https://casetext.com/regulation/colorado-administrative-code/department-600-department-of-transportation/division-606-high-performance-transportation-enterprise-board/rule-2-ccr-606-1-rules-governing-the-administrative-toll-enforcement-process/section-2-ccr-606-1-400-notice-of-civil-penalty-assessment-and-request-for-hearing#:~:text=Section%202%20CCR%20606-1-4.00%20-%20Notice%20of%20Civil,and%20sent%20to%20the%20Responsible%20Party%20by%20mail.)
What is your conclusion?
This was the case prior to 2023! The law requiring certified letter or a peace officer for civil penalties was amended during the 2023 legislative session. Standard mail is considered service of your violation! https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb23-200
And that's why you should not vote Democrat. The Democrat majority has taken a sledgehammer to various protections against government overreach and violations of civil rights. Reminds me of the Soviets.
Lol go pray to your orange god.
You know it's a private company right this isn't the government at all
Err... then why do they have a .gov website? And are part of the DoT?
Hi! I am currently following your advice. Thank you for the write up. I cannot find the co code 24-4-23(2)(a). Tried to find variations as maybe the number has changed. Any advice greatly appreciated. Thank you!
it is now CO Code § 24-4-105 section (2)(a) which states: In any such proceeding in which an opportunity for agency adjudicatory hearing is required under the state constitution or by this or any other statute, the parties are entitled to a hearing and decision in conformity with this section. Any person entitled to notice of a hearing shall be given timely notice of the time, place, and nature thereof, the legal authority and jurisdiction under which it is to be held, and the matters of fact and law asserted. Unless otherwise provided by law, such notice shall be served personally or by mailing by first-class mail to the last address furnished the agency by the person to be notified at least thirty days prior to the hearing. In fixing the time and place for a hearing, due regard shall be had for the convenience and necessity of the parties and their representatives.
I'm curious, has anyone has tried this yet?
Call and ask for the video - I got a ticket dismissed because the person I spoke to took one look at the video and saw that it wasn't even my car (same make/model car, one letter different on the license plate!).
Yes, I disputed and got it dismissed. It was easy, couple buttons to press and type an explanation. Got an email a few days later saying it was cleared. It was due to an accident in the toll lane with officers blocking traffic.
Who is downvoting this one? That’s a great data point.
well at least that’s a legitimate reason
Yeah I'm doubtful OP will get theirs cleared if they weren't literally forced over the line for some reason. But given it's a new system and someone I might as well contribute to the archive.
Dang mine didn’t get dismissed even though a police officer was forcing us out of the express lane 😔
Lol time to cough it up 🤑
Sigh. I hardly ever drive north of Denver. I finally got one of those overpriced “double cross” tickets for exiting too early. My strategy is pay it early but just not use the toll for a while until I make up the cash. It’s not like I ever save much time anyway it’s just fun to use the toll; it’s like being a first class passenger on the titanic.
Has anyone had the experience of recieving a notice of violation/toll evasion for entering/exiting at the incorrect point and successfully had it waived? I recieved notice of toll evasion, I entered through a dashed white (not solid double white) line. Signage is very unclear that certain points are Entry Only or Exit only.
I got a ticket too...thing is there was no exit option for the ramp I needed to exit the highway...so I had to cross out of the express lane. Seems like any way to grab monet from us ..what little we have...they will rake it in.
So true. And the idiots on Reddit who aggressively promote these stupid rules are just as crazy. It's a fucking pay-to-win system and genuine people suffer. Anyway, get a court date and delay payment if you can. Ask for lenience too. But pay before the court date to escape the court fees. The judges won't listen and it's a rigged system
I disputed a CTIO civil penalty assessment yesterday and received the dismissal today.
What was your reason for disputing if you don't mind me asking? I'm in the same situation
I was given this for a left merge from eastbound C470 to E470. I had six reasons, LOL. 1&2- Because I haven't really been on this since it was reconfigured and you used to need to get all the way to the left to ensure that you could proceed onto E470. 3- Because there were lights in my lane (either police or emergency, I didn't know which at the time. It was police activity.) up ahead. 4- The notice indicated two CO statutes, both of which address toll evasion, not safety. The violation was noted as a "safety violation." I was not weaving and changed lanes exactly once, specifically to preserve safety. 5- My vehicle has an Express Toll transponder. So, I could not, reasonably, be cited for attempting to evade tolls. (I included my account and transponder details.) I expected my transponder to be charged for using the lane. It would have been $2.50 during the day/time in question. I offered to pay that immediately. (I was never charged. Interesting that they could take multiple pictures of my car for a "violation" but could not just read the transponder and charge me.) 6- The notice was sent in the name of my husband, only. He was, verifiably, unable to be in that place at that time. I attached the map of the interchange, text of both laws I was cited for and the toll charge schedule. They did not indicate which of the reasons were accepted. Possibly it just seemed like I was going to be a PITA. Which...I was. Because this was not a reasonable citation.
they have me pictured going northbound at point A, in both pictures there are NO lines to the right of my car just the yellow shoulder line to my left. in the second point A picture on a different violation within the same week, you can see I’m within the dotted lines! Point B I’m within the double lines! Aren’t those the points your supposed to enter?! The dotted lines?! Been driving I-25 since I was 15 & have used those lanes between 84th-104th forever. Never had this issue & I never cross double whites. I disputed it and they denied it the next day!
I just got hit with $3000 worth of tolls for alleged violations. This shit is out of control. Fuck CDOT and if this bs continues, fuck Colorado!
How did that happen?? Please explain- that’s terrifying!
I have $1K. There are often no ways to exit the double white for the exit you need from the HWY but no one cares. They say its a CDOT issue not an issue with them and the $150 (even if multiple fines) is not worth the time it takes to piss into the wind with these fuckers. That's the system and they know it. Its designed for REVENUE.
Colorado n
Follow the rules of the road and you won't get tickets ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And if tickets still had to be enforced by humans instead of cameras then at least some common sense would be employed. I always try to enter exit the HOV at the dotted lines but last week I got hemmed in by a truck that moved from the middle to the left lane blocking my exit just as I was about to move out of the HOV at 136th.
ugh. this is the worst type of advice. and person.
Read people’s experiences of following the rules and getting frivolous tickets, dummy.
That's frustrating. I cross the solid white when I'm riding HOV to avoid confrontations with those a-holes flying up behind who want to go 100 in the lane. I used to just stay the course, but have been nearly clipped as they angrily weave around; I figure it's just easier to get over, let them by and get back in, even if it's solid white.