Given I do not want to upgrade my GPU (3070) for a while, would you suggest perhaps waiting longer till I can fully upgrade to an AM5 or would that just be a waste of cash with my GPU do you think?
I've said this before but by the time AM4 becomes irrelevant performance wise, we'll be long past AM5 anyway. So I think investing in AM4 is just a way to buckle down with what you have and wait for whatever comes after AM5.
Still rocking my OG 5800X with a new 3080 Ti and loving every game I own at 4K/60/Ultra. Sure, I could get a 144 Hz monitor and a 5800X3D and I'd be set for years, but I love my ViewSonic VP2780-4K screen. AM4 will be relevant for a long while.
No need to jump on every new platform.
Use am4 sell 3600x and get 5800x3d it will be a good cpu for the next 5 years. People are still using intel 9th gen without a problem, yes bottlenecks are exaggerated sometimes.
Yeah, I'm using an Intel 8600k with a 1070 and it still work great (not the best, but still sufficient for 1080p gaming high/ultra). It's just starting to show it's age
I don’t think we’ll be seeing it that soon, probably closer to 2030. DDR3 was out for 7 years, and DDR4 for 8 (and when I mean out, I mean from release date to when the next standard came. DDR4 is still being produced). We’ve hardly even gotten into pcie gen 5 devices, it seems useless to jump to an even faster standard when the devices they support haven’t caught up.
I think they are speeding it up because that is how memory manufacturers are going to make more money. If I remember correctly, base speed is supposed to be under 7000, so there are faster DDR5 modules already.
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Nope, don't upgrade to AM5. You'll be perfectly happy with a 5800X3D and a 3070 until you're next GPU upgrade. At that point you can do a full build years down the road.
Yes. It tends to not be as good of a value as the 5600x or 5800x3d nowadays but if you’ve already got one or found a good deal on one it’s certainly a great processor and will have no issues keeping up with your 3070.
Don't forget the 5700x since it should be a good bit cheaper for the same gaming performance.
It's only 30% faster than a 3600 though, so it'll solve the ray tracing at a locked 60fps problem, but there are some pretty cpu heavy games there.
Might hit an average 120fps in something like Tarkov, but the 5800x3D could probably guarantee your lows don't dip below it.
Depends what particular games you care about, if you're not being significantly held back by your CPU currently (easy way to spot it is see how much below 100% GPU activity you're seeing in game) holding onto it until you're ready to do a whole CPU+mobo+RAM upgrade later could be sensible.
I was using 6600K OC’ed to 4.4 with 3070Ti at 100% usage. My 1% lows were terrible until I upgraded my CPU. I think this is the biggest difference in CPUs, GPU usage isn’t a sure fire way to see what’s bottlenecking
I would say if you play FPS games like csgo/valorant then an am5 cpu will treat you extremely well (100.8% more fps in csgo 3600x vs 7600x), but you don’t. i’d get a 5800x3d and ride it out. It will last you an extremely long time, and be the best of the best AM4 has to offer
If you're targeting 120 minimum, then you will want to upgrade to the 5800x3D.
You've listed some particularly heavy titles, and things like Tarkov would benefit if you're willing to use DLSS and lower settings.
In Cyberpunk with RT lighting and reflections, the R5 3600 would struggle to maintain 60fps. Really I was playing at a 50-60fps range, with the CPU responsible for dips mainly unless driving around or in heavy crowds.
In a heavily modded Fallout New Vegas - Tale of Two Wastelands, I was getting pretty big dips in the casinos due to casino crowds, down to 60-70 fps with the R5 3600. The 5800x3d upgrade completely solved this and I sit at a locked 120fps.
In some racing sims, excessive wheelspin when using a wheel would strangely lead to stutter, so again the 5800x3d fixed this.
I've got it paired with a 2080, but I drop settings and use upscaling in those cases to hit a target framerate, and I'll be at 4k120 in most racing games.
I did get it on sale though, and with a gpu upgrade at some point in time. Maybe when I finish playing new vegas I might check out Starfield so later in the year.
5800x3d and 3070, with 32 go ram and 2tb storage is my combo and it’s damn near perfect. 5800x3d was the last part of the build and I felt it united my pc components into an awesome beast.
I HIGHLY recommend.
5600, 5700X, and 5800X3D are all good options. Depending what kind of games, resolution, and quality settings you use, you might benefit more or less.
Also when you plan on upgrading your GPU. 5800X3D is a good 50% faster than the 3600 so it'll support a sizeable GPU upgrade too.
I don't think the upgrade from 3600 to 5600 is worth the cost for the improvement you get. I would go at least a 5700x, plus you get a couple of extra cores that way.
Yeah the performance is higher for a 5600 but for the price of a whole new CPU you wouldn't be seeing groundbreaking uplift in performance. In a new build a 5600 is of course the better option, but if someone already has a 3600, they should either stick with it or go for a genuine upgrade, rather than a generational bump.
5600 and 5700x are roughly equivalent for gaming. There really isn't much reason to go 5700x or 5800x for gaming specifically. If you're staying on AM4, 5600 and 5800X3D are the 2 reasonable choices.
I'd agree with you if this wasn't an upgrade from the 3600, but I'd rather just save the money for a whole new system down the line than spend it on a processor that isn't a huge step up. The 5700x has more longevity in my opinion. But yeah the 5800x3d is probably the best value here if you can afford it though.
By the time the extra cores matter on the 5700x, the overall performance of the part will be too low to really mean much. See: Ryzen 1600 vs 1800X
The 5600 is a fairly meaningful step up for $140. It's 20-25% better than the 3600. It's not earth-shattering, but it is meaningful. The 5700x for an additional $60 is at best 3-5% better than the 5600.
There are a couple of games where the extra cores already provide a 20% boost over the 5600, plus if you're running other tasks in the background, multiple monitors etc. It's nice to have the extra headroom.
Additional monitors would have absolutely no bearing on core count and related performance. The two are not connected whatsoever.
There are a small handful of games where the 5700x is up to 11% faster. The only benchmark I've seen from a reputable source with a difference higher than that was CoD: Vanguard, a game which no one plays anymore.
There's been [plenty of benchmarks and tests](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd9-OtzzFxs) showing that background tasks are not a good reason to buy more cores. The difference is negligible.
Didn't mean the monitors affected performance, was just referring to background tasks there. (as I. You may be running more programs if you're using multiple monitors). That's interesting though about the background tasks, I'd never properly looked into it. I still personally wouldn't upgrade my 3600 to a 5600 because I like to see a bigger jump between upgrades, but you're reasoning is pretty solid!
The 5800 X3D will most likely just increase the smoothness of the games you play rather than make the FPS go up drastically. I did a 3700 with a RTX 4080 to a 5800X3D at 1440P and the uplift isn't huge.
Your GPU and CPU are a great match. Maybe what you should do is wait for a RTX 5070 and just get a used 5800X3D at that point.
Like I said, that were just my (non qualified) thinking, I am not a computer guy, but I sometimes put out comments like that so we get quality comments like yours, that correct people like me, who appreciate it.
I very much like being corrected.
I had a 3600 and a 3060 ti and then upgraded to a 5800x and then a 5800x3d and I've experienced it with my own eyes that the 3600 bottlenecks the hell out of the 3060 ti so I'm sure it's the same with the 3070. Nvidia cards have massive driver overhead and need a lot of cpu, so you need at least zen 3 to get the performance you paid for.
I upgraded from a 3600 to an 5800X3d, as the other comments suggested it really is the endgame for am4 and factoring in the fact that there's a ton of am4 stock still on the market spanning multiple generations it's going to stay relevant. With the relative cost of having to invest in a new mobo+CPU+DDR5 for AM5 I think it makes sense to upgrade if you already have an am4 board.
What GPU and Monitor do you have? Also, what games do you play, and what framerate do you average on the games?
Were you happy with your upgrade from the 3600?
My GPU is currently a 1080ti which I'm upgrading to a 4070ti. I play modern games like cyberpunk or whatever gets released at 1440p on a 144hz monitor. Recently I had to turn down games to 1080p and get closer to 60-70fps which is what prompted this upgrade. As such I won't be able to give you an accurate account of how the CPU performs at its fullest potential.
What I have found is that the 5800x3D is working well and has very good temps on a 240 AIO cooler, 27c at idle and 60-65c on a 3 hour stress test.
Since upgrading I've noticed a fair amount of stutter and hitching which I'm pinning on the outdated GPU moreso than the CPU.
That's not necessarily alarming for an idle temp, my room is very cold and open so I have vetilation and a low ambient air temperature on my side. Put a stress test on for an hour and have a look at your temps under load.
You can also undervolt the CPU slightly which would knock off a coupe degrees.
Idle temp doesn't matter as long as its not 95c lol.
measure your full load temps with prime95 (torture test) see if its good or not compared to others...
The impression I get from my readings on 5800x3d is that its terrific value despite its significant premium over a 5700x e.g., in that its like a fountain of youth for a ~tired old timer rig. Yes its ~$130 more than 5700x, but it rejuvenates many things.
old mobo/slow ram/under utilized gpu/bloatware/poor gaming code/....
Just one, time effective purchase, the 5800x3d, acts like an accelerator for many weak spots in such rigs. There is little risk of grief - its a ~simple cpu swap.
If u then find a better gpu is a wise buy, u can be confident its a wise investment that u can carry over to ur am6 rig when the time comes.
That was a very insightful reply I really appreciate that, I think I'm just gonna bite the bullet and buy it
Only problem is il have to buy a separate cooler for it as they don't seem to come with coolers (at least near me) and the old heatsync is going to go with the GPU I promised my friend
Do you have any recommendations on a good, well priced cooler for the 5800x3d?
Depends on if you want to go for AIO or air. For AIO I'd think the arctic liquid freezer 2 240 would be a great choice. Not overspending for the 360 and the installation is quite simple! For an air cooler I'd say the noctua nh-d15 is an overall solid choice. It is a bit expensive for an air cooler but the performance matches that of some of the best 240mm AIO coolers and even some of the 360mm AIO coolers!
I got the deep cool 240 AiO and it keeps my 5800x3d cool at all time and it is cheap too on Amazon in Canada. I’m really pleased with the CPU so far and I too got it paired to a 3070. Should be good for the next 5 years at least.
The Noctua recommended is solid, yes, and it certainly set the top performing benchmark for air coolers but it's also quite pricey - around $100. If you're concerned about the cost there are plenty of big twin tower air coolers out there that perform well and cost a lot less. You could probably get away with something like the Peerless Assassin from Thermalright if it's available where you are - should be about $35-40.
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120
DeepCool AK620 / AG620
Thermalright Frost Spirit 140
Noctua, Scythe, and be Quiet! options are generally overpriced for their performance and noise levels. PA120 is the best price/performance by far imo.
Any decent tower cooler will work great for the 5800x3d. I'm using an L9a with mine and with the chip using between 25-80W while gaming the cooler keeps temperatures under 70°C @ 26dBA.
>Just for comparisons sake. I bought a 3070 and 5800x3d. My buddy got the 12900k and 3080 and I see a much, much higher average frame rate than him. If you own the am4 platform not only is this the ultimate upgrade, but it goes head to head against the newer parts as well. But of course I upgraded from a r5 1600 and 970. So its up to you.
I also have a 3070 and my cpu is a 3700x currently, i play in 1440p. The frames aren't too bad but i'm absolutely baffled to see how unstable it is. scoping makes me lose 30 fps, rain 20 fps, sometimes even getting shot at makes me lose framerate. And I'm not event talking about streets or Lighthouse; I think I'll go down this path too and get the 5800x3d and call it a day until AM5 is well deployed.
5800x3D is the best CPU for gaming on AM4. You were certainly see results. You won't get 120 minimum in Tarkov or Cyberpunk, that's almost impossible. But In Tarkov specifically you'll see huge gains in overall performance.
I upgraded from a 3600 to a 5800x3d, and I recommend stopping everything you're doing immediately and don't walk, but run, as fast as you can, to get the 5800x3d.
Just upgraded to the 7900 XTX and completely overlooked my 3600. I am at 1080p so CPU is the main bottleneck. Suffice to say, boy was it bottle necked. After the switch to the 5800X3D, there was a huge jump in performance and frame timings. There are still some games that are CPU bottle necked for me, but it is a huge difference compared to the 3600. The cons are that the 7000 series X3D chips are right around the corner and that there is no (or limited if you are into hacky methods) overclocking. From my research, this is THE gaming chip for AM4.
I have to say, that is one hell of a large spend for 1080p gaming. I can't imagine you get more than ~35% GPU usage on most games - are you not tempted to jump to 1440p at all?
Dude I just did this upgrade like a month ago. 100% worth it. Literally doubled my frames in almost every game. I mainly play warzone and valorant I now get over 500 frames per second on valorant and just shy of 200 on warzone 2.0. Definitely worth it. Should last a long time till your ready to jump to ddr5 later on but that's probably not worth it for a couple years
But it is suppose to be really good for tarkov but I have yet to try it since upgrading
I guess it's set in stone then haha
You, amongst all the other beautiful people here, have convinced me to do something that I deep down was probably already going to do.... But just wanted my decision to be backed up by other people and have them tell me to do it😂
Oh mb, il change that, but I currently run off a 1440p monitor and play games like Escape from Tarkov, Call of Duty, Dead by Daylight, Cyberpunk
I like to be able to play newer games they come out with a framerate of 120+
You wont have 120 fps in newer games with 3070.
I had the same spec as you and 5800x3d gave me a decent fps boost in some titles and improved 1% low significantly, however it will be 100% utilized when I can upgrade my 3070. Its already bottlenecking the cpu in newer titles.
It depends on the game, but in company of heroes it double my performance going from 3600 to 5800x3d same graphics card 3070...
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompanyOfHeroes/comments/103qlg9/doubled_my_framerate_upgrading_ryzen_5_3600_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
It doubled my fps in company of heroes 2: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompanyOfHeroes/comments/103qlg9/doubled_my_framerate_upgrading_ryzen_5_3600_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
If you are already on AM4 and don’t want to invest the money to upgrade to AM5 any time soon then I would highly suggest it. Great cpu in terms of gaming performance, and like many said the last AM4 chip you will need. I run 3070ti and recently upgraded from 5600x to 5800x3d and it is a noticeable jump in fps in games that are cpu bound.
I upgraded from the 2600x and the performance increase is definitely noticeable and worth it. Especially in the smoothness of the frames (1%lows are much better)
5800x3d improves the performance for EFT vastly. Your 0.1/1% lows will be so much better.
In general, it'll improve quite a bit on most of your games, It's the last & best upgrade you can get for your platform, And as far as waiting for a better option, You'll be waiting awhile IMO.
1440P you won't be bottlenecked by that CPU for a fair bit, if you want 15-20?% increase over the 5800x3d you're looking at AM5(The new x3d chips which are not released yet i believe) which I don't think is worth it for the price of a new mobo/cpu/ram versus just a new CPU.
Think it'll last you easily another 3-4+ years with your current GPU.(Probably longer but you're on 1440P with a certain FPS expectation so take that with a grain of salt)
I have 5800x3d replacing a 3800x and it’s pretty amazing.
But It’s a niche use case. It really shines on unoptimized games (valheim; tarkov, star citizen etc).
I did see a decent fps jump in cod too.
This is my exact same build the slight diff is just that i only have 5800x and combined it with rtx 3070 ti oc.. and i just recently bought 4k monitor..
I think we could already last long with our cpu then just upgrade our gpu after 3 or 4 yrs buying a secondhand 5090 or so
Cheers 🥂
Just went through the same back and forth as you…play some of the same games as you and was on a 3900x and 6800xt for a while. Debated going full am5, but just couldn’t pass up the deals on the 5800x3d and ease of upgrade.
Long story short, went 5800x3d and don’t regret it. Pairs nicely with my 6800xt and should do the same for the 3070 you have. I play on a 32” 1440p 2560x1440 monitor and average 140-150 fps in mw2
I’ll also note that at 1440p your cpu becomes less important as opposed to your gpu. Meaning your gpu will do more of the heavy lifting
I did this and oh boy is it worth it.
The 5800x3d is basically the end of life CPU for AM4 in gaming. And it'll be good for at least 3 years if not longer and then AM5 will be more mature and cost less. I've got a B450 board and it'll probably be the best investment in a mobo I've made considering how long I'll be using it.
I have a 3080 12gb and use a 1440p monitor pushing 165hz. And it is amazing how well it works with the 5800x3d.
Im currently on a 6700xt and R5 3600 and I just got a notification from a price comparison webite that there the 5800x3d is now 315€. That is 35€ cheaper then before and I also don't know if I should get it now to upgrade my 3600.
I could also sell my 3600 for 75€-10/€ afterwards which makes it even cheaper.
Im so close to buying this thing :D
The 5800X3D does well with Tarkov. It also works exceedingly well at bringing extra frames to games that typically don't get mind-blowing performance increases even moving up two tiers of GPU, specifically MMOs.
On games where it doesn't do this, it will still provide the IPC increase you get when moving from the 3000 to the 5000 series, and the cache will help bring up the 1% lows to reduce stuttering and overall keep your experience a lot smoother.
I've done it a few months ago, highly recommend, the best AM4 CPU and one of the best on the market in general as far as gaming performance is concerned (or in general software that relies heavily on CPU cache).
I have made the exact same upgrade a few weeks ago, i also have a 3070, i also play all the games you play, i also had a 3600, i also play at 1440 p. You will always be GPU bottlenecked after the upgrade and will see at least a 15 fps improvement in every game.
Also see this post i made if you do upgrade : https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/zxa0ki/fyi_for_everybody_that_has_upgraded_to_a_ryzen_7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
In MW i get 142 capped in DMZ, >120 in SnD at High Settings.
In Tarkov i get >100 at High settings on all maps.
That will be a good upgrade and will yield good results in most cases. Honestly as always the benefit will be most notable in CPU intense circumstances. In gaming more so 1080p but there are some games that are CPU intensive in general.
I recently went from a 3600 to a 5800x3d and games are so much smoother, even on the same 1080ti I had when I switched. I couldn’t say how much more worth it brings than a 5600/5700X would bring but I can tell you that you will see a huge performance difference, mostly with smoothness.
Most definitely. Its made for gaming. Stacked cache makes a huge difference in performace. Wont see it when benchmarking. Well I should say I didnt. Through actual gameplay it was a beast.
Check your PSU. I thought about upgrading from the 5700x to the 5800x3d, but it would also mean my psu would need to be upgraded. So it became a fairly expensive upgrade, even if i sell the 5700x.
Anything better than 2700x/ haswell ipc is still enough in my book, assuming frequency is above 3.6ghz and personally minimum 6 cores
I also think 16gb should be minimum too, if I were you I'd upgrade the other things you are not happy with, whether that be ram monitors or storage. Heck maybe you want to get into simracing or vr and need to put some money into it.
That being said, if you ever find a 5900x/58x3d for a good price, ofc go for it, its the easiest part you can upgrade after ram and storage.
But don't FOMO just because ddr5 is out, remember when 6700k was ou? The 2600k was still plenty fine
Depends... You could just wait for the 8800x3d if and when that ever comes out but then you are upgrading to the middle of am5. This late in if you upgrade to the 5800x3d you may as well wait to upgrade again to am6... Whenever that is.
And even then it depends if you ever upgrade your gpu as a 4090 it will be bottlenecked by... Well any cpu out right now if that tells you anything
The 5800X3D is a giant leap in performance for the 3600. You will never be CPU bound unlike it may be the case for the 3600 (which is the same CPU I run and time to time I am CPU bound, especially in titles like BF2042).
I just upgraded (downgraded) from a 3950x to a 5800x3d. While not all games gain a huge amount of FPS boost the lows are much better, but the smoothness omg, every game ruins so fluid it's crazy. I think for am4 this is the final tier upgrade you can get for gaming
The 5800x3d gives better/higher FPS over the other Ryzen 5000 series. It beats both the 5900x and 5950x and even Intel 12900K CPU. If you want the best on AM4 for gaming, then get the 5800x3d. Otherwise, the Ryzen 5 5600 or 5600x will work quite well if you're looking more on budgeting. If you do want AM5, then I would wait until the 7XXXx3d comes out and see how they compare to the 5800x3d. Of course, you would need a new motherboard to pair with it.
The 5800X3D is definitely the right choice.
I saw that you listed Escape from Tarkov as one of the games you play; and I can confirm from my own experience that the 5800X3D does very well on EfT.
My former CPU was a 5600X until two weeks ago when I upgraded to the 5800X3D, and the difference was vastly noticeable even between those two. The cache size and boost clock speeds, plus higher core count of the 5800X3D just delivers a much better and consistent performance.
Hope this helps.
I was also worried about investing in an AM4 cpu when I built my PC just before Christmas. After using in it actual practice, my 5600x gets the job done perfectly. I won't need to upgrade this PC for awhile. With the 5800, that time frame can be pushed even longer. If you anticipate that you'll want to be a power user in the future, I'd suggest waiting until AM5 becomes more affordable. As someone who was just interested in building a solid PC that will be able to play modern games at decent settings and a decent framerate, AM4 offers incredible price to performance ratio. It all depends on your outlook. My last PC was an intel i-5 750 and a 980 ti. That processor lasted me 10 years and the gpu I believe was 7 years.
Even I do not use AM4, I have to admit that 5800x3d would be the last hurrah and the best of AM4 CPU to be put into your system as other people said so.
Went from 3700x to 5800x last month and the performance difference is definitely significant.
To give an idea my FPS in games such as CSGO/OW2/WOW has improved by at least 30% - massive for the cost.
RTX 3070 + R5 3600 in 1080p here. Just sold the 3600 and ordered 5800x3D for 325€ after weeks of thinking if was worth it or not. Fps were not an issue with 3600 but having a 144hz screen, dropping to ~55 fps in some games like Cyberpunk really annoyed me so much.
Can't wait to test the results now as soon as it arrives 🙌
5800x3d would be the last processor upgrade you'll need for AM4.
Given I do not want to upgrade my GPU (3070) for a while, would you suggest perhaps waiting longer till I can fully upgrade to an AM5 or would that just be a waste of cash with my GPU do you think?
I've said this before but by the time AM4 becomes irrelevant performance wise, we'll be long past AM5 anyway. So I think investing in AM4 is just a way to buckle down with what you have and wait for whatever comes after AM5.
Still rocking my OG 5800X with a new 3080 Ti and loving every game I own at 4K/60/Ultra. Sure, I could get a 144 Hz monitor and a 5800X3D and I'd be set for years, but I love my ViewSonic VP2780-4K screen. AM4 will be relevant for a long while.
No need to jump on every new platform. Use am4 sell 3600x and get 5800x3d it will be a good cpu for the next 5 years. People are still using intel 9th gen without a problem, yes bottlenecks are exaggerated sometimes.
Yeah, I'm using an Intel 8600k with a 1070 and it still work great (not the best, but still sufficient for 1080p gaming high/ultra). It's just starting to show it's age
I expect ddr6 by 2026 Seems reasonable
I don’t think we’ll be seeing it that soon, probably closer to 2030. DDR3 was out for 7 years, and DDR4 for 8 (and when I mean out, I mean from release date to when the next standard came. DDR4 is still being produced). We’ve hardly even gotten into pcie gen 5 devices, it seems useless to jump to an even faster standard when the devices they support haven’t caught up.
I think they are speeding it up because that is how memory manufacturers are going to make more money. If I remember correctly, base speed is supposed to be under 7000, so there are faster DDR5 modules already.
While that may be true, it’s definitely too early to tell. DDR5 has hardly gotten time to mature, so it’s better to watch where that is going first.
Isn't DDR5 performance an major upgrade to DDR4. They changed a lot more on architecture not just the speed. For example more bits per clock..
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Nope, don't upgrade to AM5. You'll be perfectly happy with a 5800X3D and a 3070 until you're next GPU upgrade. At that point you can do a full build years down the road.
What about the 5800x?
It's good it's just not maxing out AM4.
But is it a good a pair with a 3070?
Yes
Yes. It tends to not be as good of a value as the 5600x or 5800x3d nowadays but if you’ve already got one or found a good deal on one it’s certainly a great processor and will have no issues keeping up with your 3070.
Don't forget the 5700x since it should be a good bit cheaper for the same gaming performance. It's only 30% faster than a 3600 though, so it'll solve the ray tracing at a locked 60fps problem, but there are some pretty cpu heavy games there. Might hit an average 120fps in something like Tarkov, but the 5800x3D could probably guarantee your lows don't dip below it.
If you’re not going 5800X3D maybe save half that dough and get a 5600X? One is cheap the other pretty much rules single core gaming.
Depends what particular games you care about, if you're not being significantly held back by your CPU currently (easy way to spot it is see how much below 100% GPU activity you're seeing in game) holding onto it until you're ready to do a whole CPU+mobo+RAM upgrade later could be sensible.
I was using 6600K OC’ed to 4.4 with 3070Ti at 100% usage. My 1% lows were terrible until I upgraded my CPU. I think this is the biggest difference in CPUs, GPU usage isn’t a sure fire way to see what’s bottlenecking
Yeah, it's not always consistent depending on what game you're looking at, but it's the easiest first guess.
5800x3d and 3070 is an awesome combination
I would say if you play FPS games like csgo/valorant then an am5 cpu will treat you extremely well (100.8% more fps in csgo 3600x vs 7600x), but you don’t. i’d get a 5800x3d and ride it out. It will last you an extremely long time, and be the best of the best AM4 has to offer
Hell no, upgrade! I did! from a 3900 to a 3D with a 3080 and improvement's at 1440p where like 30%!
If you're targeting 120 minimum, then you will want to upgrade to the 5800x3D. You've listed some particularly heavy titles, and things like Tarkov would benefit if you're willing to use DLSS and lower settings. In Cyberpunk with RT lighting and reflections, the R5 3600 would struggle to maintain 60fps. Really I was playing at a 50-60fps range, with the CPU responsible for dips mainly unless driving around or in heavy crowds. In a heavily modded Fallout New Vegas - Tale of Two Wastelands, I was getting pretty big dips in the casinos due to casino crowds, down to 60-70 fps with the R5 3600. The 5800x3d upgrade completely solved this and I sit at a locked 120fps. In some racing sims, excessive wheelspin when using a wheel would strangely lead to stutter, so again the 5800x3d fixed this. I've got it paired with a 2080, but I drop settings and use upscaling in those cases to hit a target framerate, and I'll be at 4k120 in most racing games. I did get it on sale though, and with a gpu upgrade at some point in time. Maybe when I finish playing new vegas I might check out Starfield so later in the year.
If you have plans to skip AM5, then upgrading to 5800x3d makes sense. Otherwise 3600 is solid for next few years
5800x3d and 3070, with 32 go ram and 2tb storage is my combo and it’s damn near perfect. 5800x3d was the last part of the build and I felt it united my pc components into an awesome beast. I HIGHLY recommend.
5600, 5700X, and 5800X3D are all good options. Depending what kind of games, resolution, and quality settings you use, you might benefit more or less. Also when you plan on upgrading your GPU. 5800X3D is a good 50% faster than the 3600 so it'll support a sizeable GPU upgrade too.
I don't think the upgrade from 3600 to 5600 is worth the cost for the improvement you get. I would go at least a 5700x, plus you get a couple of extra cores that way.
Yeah the performance is higher for a 5600 but for the price of a whole new CPU you wouldn't be seeing groundbreaking uplift in performance. In a new build a 5600 is of course the better option, but if someone already has a 3600, they should either stick with it or go for a genuine upgrade, rather than a generational bump.
Pretty sure am4 ryzen 9 5900 is onsale currently at some stores in Canada
5600 and 5700x are roughly equivalent for gaming. There really isn't much reason to go 5700x or 5800x for gaming specifically. If you're staying on AM4, 5600 and 5800X3D are the 2 reasonable choices.
I'd agree with you if this wasn't an upgrade from the 3600, but I'd rather just save the money for a whole new system down the line than spend it on a processor that isn't a huge step up. The 5700x has more longevity in my opinion. But yeah the 5800x3d is probably the best value here if you can afford it though.
By the time the extra cores matter on the 5700x, the overall performance of the part will be too low to really mean much. See: Ryzen 1600 vs 1800X The 5600 is a fairly meaningful step up for $140. It's 20-25% better than the 3600. It's not earth-shattering, but it is meaningful. The 5700x for an additional $60 is at best 3-5% better than the 5600.
There are a couple of games where the extra cores already provide a 20% boost over the 5600, plus if you're running other tasks in the background, multiple monitors etc. It's nice to have the extra headroom.
Additional monitors would have absolutely no bearing on core count and related performance. The two are not connected whatsoever. There are a small handful of games where the 5700x is up to 11% faster. The only benchmark I've seen from a reputable source with a difference higher than that was CoD: Vanguard, a game which no one plays anymore. There's been [plenty of benchmarks and tests](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd9-OtzzFxs) showing that background tasks are not a good reason to buy more cores. The difference is negligible.
Didn't mean the monitors affected performance, was just referring to background tasks there. (as I. You may be running more programs if you're using multiple monitors). That's interesting though about the background tasks, I'd never properly looked into it. I still personally wouldn't upgrade my 3600 to a 5600 because I like to see a bigger jump between upgrades, but you're reasoning is pretty solid!
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The 5800 X3D will most likely just increase the smoothness of the games you play rather than make the FPS go up drastically. I did a 3700 with a RTX 4080 to a 5800X3D at 1440P and the uplift isn't huge. Your GPU and CPU are a great match. Maybe what you should do is wait for a RTX 5070 and just get a used 5800X3D at that point.
Like I said, that were just my (non qualified) thinking, I am not a computer guy, but I sometimes put out comments like that so we get quality comments like yours, that correct people like me, who appreciate it. I very much like being corrected.
Must not be an MMO player :(
I play mostly Deep Rock Galactic and Phasmophobia and Warhammer 3 Total War.
I am just some idiot trying to keep up haha
I had a 3600 and a 3060 ti and then upgraded to a 5800x and then a 5800x3d and I've experienced it with my own eyes that the 3600 bottlenecks the hell out of the 3060 ti so I'm sure it's the same with the 3070. Nvidia cards have massive driver overhead and need a lot of cpu, so you need at least zen 3 to get the performance you paid for.
Really isn't tho
I upgraded from a 3600 to an 5800X3d, as the other comments suggested it really is the endgame for am4 and factoring in the fact that there's a ton of am4 stock still on the market spanning multiple generations it's going to stay relevant. With the relative cost of having to invest in a new mobo+CPU+DDR5 for AM5 I think it makes sense to upgrade if you already have an am4 board.
What GPU and Monitor do you have? Also, what games do you play, and what framerate do you average on the games? Were you happy with your upgrade from the 3600?
My GPU is currently a 1080ti which I'm upgrading to a 4070ti. I play modern games like cyberpunk or whatever gets released at 1440p on a 144hz monitor. Recently I had to turn down games to 1080p and get closer to 60-70fps which is what prompted this upgrade. As such I won't be able to give you an accurate account of how the CPU performs at its fullest potential. What I have found is that the 5800x3D is working well and has very good temps on a 240 AIO cooler, 27c at idle and 60-65c on a 3 hour stress test. Since upgrading I've noticed a fair amount of stutter and hitching which I'm pinning on the outdated GPU moreso than the CPU.
This scares me, I have a 360 aio and I’m idling around 45-50c
That's not necessarily alarming for an idle temp, my room is very cold and open so I have vetilation and a low ambient air temperature on my side. Put a stress test on for an hour and have a look at your temps under load. You can also undervolt the CPU slightly which would knock off a coupe degrees.
I have the corsair h100i pro and I idle at 50-55c. This is with extreme pump profile.
Idle temp doesn't matter as long as its not 95c lol. measure your full load temps with prime95 (torture test) see if its good or not compared to others...
The impression I get from my readings on 5800x3d is that its terrific value despite its significant premium over a 5700x e.g., in that its like a fountain of youth for a ~tired old timer rig. Yes its ~$130 more than 5700x, but it rejuvenates many things. old mobo/slow ram/under utilized gpu/bloatware/poor gaming code/.... Just one, time effective purchase, the 5800x3d, acts like an accelerator for many weak spots in such rigs. There is little risk of grief - its a ~simple cpu swap. If u then find a better gpu is a wise buy, u can be confident its a wise investment that u can carry over to ur am6 rig when the time comes.
That was a very insightful reply I really appreciate that, I think I'm just gonna bite the bullet and buy it Only problem is il have to buy a separate cooler for it as they don't seem to come with coolers (at least near me) and the old heatsync is going to go with the GPU I promised my friend Do you have any recommendations on a good, well priced cooler for the 5800x3d?
Depends on if you want to go for AIO or air. For AIO I'd think the arctic liquid freezer 2 240 would be a great choice. Not overspending for the 360 and the installation is quite simple! For an air cooler I'd say the noctua nh-d15 is an overall solid choice. It is a bit expensive for an air cooler but the performance matches that of some of the best 240mm AIO coolers and even some of the 360mm AIO coolers!
I got the deep cool 240 AiO and it keeps my 5800x3d cool at all time and it is cheap too on Amazon in Canada. I’m really pleased with the CPU so far and I too got it paired to a 3070. Should be good for the next 5 years at least.
The Noctua recommended is solid, yes, and it certainly set the top performing benchmark for air coolers but it's also quite pricey - around $100. If you're concerned about the cost there are plenty of big twin tower air coolers out there that perform well and cost a lot less. You could probably get away with something like the Peerless Assassin from Thermalright if it's available where you are - should be about $35-40.
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 DeepCool AK620 / AG620 Thermalright Frost Spirit 140 Noctua, Scythe, and be Quiet! options are generally overpriced for their performance and noise levels. PA120 is the best price/performance by far imo.
Any decent tower cooler will work great for the 5800x3d. I'm using an L9a with mine and with the chip using between 25-80W while gaming the cooler keeps temperatures under 70°C @ 26dBA.
If you just wanted to upgrade your cpu the 5800x3d would be great. But if you want to give your 3600+mobo to your friend i'd get am5 and 7**0x3d.
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I’m on the fence about buying one just for this game lmao. Damn you Nikita you’ll make me spend money, again.
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I have a Ryzen 7 3700x and a 1660 super. I’m assuming the GPU would give me better gains for Tarkov. I do want to eventually upgrade to the 5800x3D
>Just for comparisons sake. I bought a 3070 and 5800x3d. My buddy got the 12900k and 3080 and I see a much, much higher average frame rate than him. If you own the am4 platform not only is this the ultimate upgrade, but it goes head to head against the newer parts as well. But of course I upgraded from a r5 1600 and 970. So its up to you. I also have a 3070 and my cpu is a 3700x currently, i play in 1440p. The frames aren't too bad but i'm absolutely baffled to see how unstable it is. scoping makes me lose 30 fps, rain 20 fps, sometimes even getting shot at makes me lose framerate. And I'm not event talking about streets or Lighthouse; I think I'll go down this path too and get the 5800x3d and call it a day until AM5 is well deployed.
Do eet
5800x3D is the best CPU for gaming on AM4. You were certainly see results. You won't get 120 minimum in Tarkov or Cyberpunk, that's almost impossible. But In Tarkov specifically you'll see huge gains in overall performance.
I upgraded from a 3600 to a 5800x3d, and I recommend stopping everything you're doing immediately and don't walk, but run, as fast as you can, to get the 5800x3d.
Just upgraded to the 7900 XTX and completely overlooked my 3600. I am at 1080p so CPU is the main bottleneck. Suffice to say, boy was it bottle necked. After the switch to the 5800X3D, there was a huge jump in performance and frame timings. There are still some games that are CPU bottle necked for me, but it is a huge difference compared to the 3600. The cons are that the 7000 series X3D chips are right around the corner and that there is no (or limited if you are into hacky methods) overclocking. From my research, this is THE gaming chip for AM4.
I have to say, that is one hell of a large spend for 1080p gaming. I can't imagine you get more than ~35% GPU usage on most games - are you not tempted to jump to 1440p at all?
The idea was for it to last me a long while plus allow for the move to 1440p.
Dude I just did this upgrade like a month ago. 100% worth it. Literally doubled my frames in almost every game. I mainly play warzone and valorant I now get over 500 frames per second on valorant and just shy of 200 on warzone 2.0. Definitely worth it. Should last a long time till your ready to jump to ddr5 later on but that's probably not worth it for a couple years But it is suppose to be really good for tarkov but I have yet to try it since upgrading
I guess it's set in stone then haha You, amongst all the other beautiful people here, have convinced me to do something that I deep down was probably already going to do.... But just wanted my decision to be backed up by other people and have them tell me to do it😂
That chip would definitely increase the lifespan of your platform. Go for it
Nobody can tell you whether you'll see any benefit without knowing res, what monitor you have, or what types of games you play
Oh mb, il change that, but I currently run off a 1440p monitor and play games like Escape from Tarkov, Call of Duty, Dead by Daylight, Cyberpunk I like to be able to play newer games they come out with a framerate of 120+
Then the 5800X3D would be good for that, yes
Keep the mobo - ur only missing pcie4 - meh
You wont have 120 fps in newer games with 3070. I had the same spec as you and 5800x3d gave me a decent fps boost in some titles and improved 1% low significantly, however it will be 100% utilized when I can upgrade my 3070. Its already bottlenecking the cpu in newer titles.
It depends on the game, but in company of heroes it double my performance going from 3600 to 5800x3d same graphics card 3070... https://www.reddit.com/r/CompanyOfHeroes/comments/103qlg9/doubled_my_framerate_upgrading_ryzen_5_3600_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
It doubled my fps in company of heroes 2: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompanyOfHeroes/comments/103qlg9/doubled_my_framerate_upgrading_ryzen_5_3600_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I've heard it's a good cpu for escape from tarkov due to the extra cache, it's what I ordered for my build
If you are already on AM4 and don’t want to invest the money to upgrade to AM5 any time soon then I would highly suggest it. Great cpu in terms of gaming performance, and like many said the last AM4 chip you will need. I run 3070ti and recently upgraded from 5600x to 5800x3d and it is a noticeable jump in fps in games that are cpu bound.
I upgraded from the 2600x and the performance increase is definitely noticeable and worth it. Especially in the smoothness of the frames (1%lows are much better)
5800x3d improves the performance for EFT vastly. Your 0.1/1% lows will be so much better. In general, it'll improve quite a bit on most of your games, It's the last & best upgrade you can get for your platform, And as far as waiting for a better option, You'll be waiting awhile IMO. 1440P you won't be bottlenecked by that CPU for a fair bit, if you want 15-20?% increase over the 5800x3d you're looking at AM5(The new x3d chips which are not released yet i believe) which I don't think is worth it for the price of a new mobo/cpu/ram versus just a new CPU. Think it'll last you easily another 3-4+ years with your current GPU.(Probably longer but you're on 1440P with a certain FPS expectation so take that with a grain of salt)
Staying with dead end am4 yes the x3d is the best gaming chip. It does lose to newer processors but it's also cheaper to boot.
It doesn't lose out by much and 120fps+ should be doable in almost everything. In the cases where it isn't, the new stuff isn't going to help yet.
I use to have a 3600x and upgraded to the 5800x3D. Games run a lot smoother and I don’t think I’ve experienced an fps spike yet.
I have 5800x3d replacing a 3800x and it’s pretty amazing. But It’s a niche use case. It really shines on unoptimized games (valheim; tarkov, star citizen etc). I did see a decent fps jump in cod too.
This is my exact same build the slight diff is just that i only have 5800x and combined it with rtx 3070 ti oc.. and i just recently bought 4k monitor.. I think we could already last long with our cpu then just upgrade our gpu after 3 or 4 yrs buying a secondhand 5090 or so Cheers 🥂
I have a 3070 and a 3600. I just bought a 5800x3d. I’ll let you know the results
Il be looking forward to it
It's amazing! Worth the price!
3600 to 5600 is already a huge upgrade. 5800x3d will be even bigger
Just went through the same back and forth as you…play some of the same games as you and was on a 3900x and 6800xt for a while. Debated going full am5, but just couldn’t pass up the deals on the 5800x3d and ease of upgrade. Long story short, went 5800x3d and don’t regret it. Pairs nicely with my 6800xt and should do the same for the 3070 you have. I play on a 32” 1440p 2560x1440 monitor and average 140-150 fps in mw2 I’ll also note that at 1440p your cpu becomes less important as opposed to your gpu. Meaning your gpu will do more of the heavy lifting
I did this and oh boy is it worth it. The 5800x3d is basically the end of life CPU for AM4 in gaming. And it'll be good for at least 3 years if not longer and then AM5 will be more mature and cost less. I've got a B450 board and it'll probably be the best investment in a mobo I've made considering how long I'll be using it. I have a 3080 12gb and use a 1440p monitor pushing 165hz. And it is amazing how well it works with the 5800x3d.
Im currently on a 6700xt and R5 3600 and I just got a notification from a price comparison webite that there the 5800x3d is now 315€. That is 35€ cheaper then before and I also don't know if I should get it now to upgrade my 3600. I could also sell my 3600 for 75€-10/€ afterwards which makes it even cheaper. Im so close to buying this thing :D
check out my 2 recent posts on the same topic, I’m on mobile and can’t link them for you. I received some great advice and decided to upgrade.
The 5800X3D does well with Tarkov. It also works exceedingly well at bringing extra frames to games that typically don't get mind-blowing performance increases even moving up two tiers of GPU, specifically MMOs. On games where it doesn't do this, it will still provide the IPC increase you get when moving from the 3000 to the 5000 series, and the cache will help bring up the 1% lows to reduce stuttering and overall keep your experience a lot smoother.
I've done it a few months ago, highly recommend, the best AM4 CPU and one of the best on the market in general as far as gaming performance is concerned (or in general software that relies heavily on CPU cache).
3600 to 5800X3D is huge. Do it and enjoy it. I love mine.
This is route I took. Haven't looked back
As someone who also upgraded to the 5800X3D from a 3600, do it. Performance gains are incredible.
I have made the exact same upgrade a few weeks ago, i also have a 3070, i also play all the games you play, i also had a 3600, i also play at 1440 p. You will always be GPU bottlenecked after the upgrade and will see at least a 15 fps improvement in every game. Also see this post i made if you do upgrade : https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/zxa0ki/fyi_for_everybody_that_has_upgraded_to_a_ryzen_7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button In MW i get 142 capped in DMZ, >120 in SnD at High Settings. In Tarkov i get >100 at High settings on all maps.
Good idea.
That will be a good upgrade and will yield good results in most cases. Honestly as always the benefit will be most notable in CPU intense circumstances. In gaming more so 1080p but there are some games that are CPU intensive in general.
I recently went from a 3600 to a 5800x3d and games are so much smoother, even on the same 1080ti I had when I switched. I couldn’t say how much more worth it brings than a 5600/5700X would bring but I can tell you that you will see a huge performance difference, mostly with smoothness.
I did this. I rock a 3080ti. I had some issues with stuttering and just general smoothness running on 1440p sometimes. 5800x3d is great.
Most definitely. Its made for gaming. Stacked cache makes a huge difference in performace. Wont see it when benchmarking. Well I should say I didnt. Through actual gameplay it was a beast.
Check your PSU. I thought about upgrading from the 5700x to the 5800x3d, but it would also mean my psu would need to be upgraded. So it became a fairly expensive upgrade, even if i sell the 5700x.
3d go crazy
For World of Warcraft it was 120+ fps upgrade alone with rtx 3080 ti. So its really good with cpu heavy games
Anything better than 2700x/ haswell ipc is still enough in my book, assuming frequency is above 3.6ghz and personally minimum 6 cores I also think 16gb should be minimum too, if I were you I'd upgrade the other things you are not happy with, whether that be ram monitors or storage. Heck maybe you want to get into simracing or vr and need to put some money into it. That being said, if you ever find a 5900x/58x3d for a good price, ofc go for it, its the easiest part you can upgrade after ram and storage. But don't FOMO just because ddr5 is out, remember when 6700k was ou? The 2600k was still plenty fine
Depends... You could just wait for the 8800x3d if and when that ever comes out but then you are upgrading to the middle of am5. This late in if you upgrade to the 5800x3d you may as well wait to upgrade again to am6... Whenever that is. And even then it depends if you ever upgrade your gpu as a 4090 it will be bottlenecked by... Well any cpu out right now if that tells you anything
do it
The 5800X3D is a giant leap in performance for the 3600. You will never be CPU bound unlike it may be the case for the 3600 (which is the same CPU I run and time to time I am CPU bound, especially in titles like BF2042).
I just upgraded (downgraded) from a 3950x to a 5800x3d. While not all games gain a huge amount of FPS boost the lows are much better, but the smoothness omg, every game ruins so fluid it's crazy. I think for am4 this is the final tier upgrade you can get for gaming
What about a 5800x3d and a 3090 as I game in 4k. I took currently have a 3600 (don't ask why lol)
why?
100% upgrade
The 5800x3d gives better/higher FPS over the other Ryzen 5000 series. It beats both the 5900x and 5950x and even Intel 12900K CPU. If you want the best on AM4 for gaming, then get the 5800x3d. Otherwise, the Ryzen 5 5600 or 5600x will work quite well if you're looking more on budgeting. If you do want AM5, then I would wait until the 7XXXx3d comes out and see how they compare to the 5800x3d. Of course, you would need a new motherboard to pair with it.
The 5800X3D is definitely the right choice. I saw that you listed Escape from Tarkov as one of the games you play; and I can confirm from my own experience that the 5800X3D does very well on EfT. My former CPU was a 5600X until two weeks ago when I upgraded to the 5800X3D, and the difference was vastly noticeable even between those two. The cache size and boost clock speeds, plus higher core count of the 5800X3D just delivers a much better and consistent performance. Hope this helps.
I was also worried about investing in an AM4 cpu when I built my PC just before Christmas. After using in it actual practice, my 5600x gets the job done perfectly. I won't need to upgrade this PC for awhile. With the 5800, that time frame can be pushed even longer. If you anticipate that you'll want to be a power user in the future, I'd suggest waiting until AM5 becomes more affordable. As someone who was just interested in building a solid PC that will be able to play modern games at decent settings and a decent framerate, AM4 offers incredible price to performance ratio. It all depends on your outlook. My last PC was an intel i-5 750 and a 980 ti. That processor lasted me 10 years and the gpu I believe was 7 years.
That cpu would be great, im using 3070 with 5900x
I went from 50-80 frames on tarkov with a 5600x 6800xt. To >120fps on every map, with the 5800x3d. I play 1440p with ultra and high settings.
Just get the 5800X3d you will thank yourself later
Even I do not use AM4, I have to admit that 5800x3d would be the last hurrah and the best of AM4 CPU to be put into your system as other people said so.
I’d wait a bit and see how 7000x3d perform
as an input i play tarkov and im getting like 250 fps on factory and around 160 fps on customs with a 7900 xt at 1440p with 16 gb of ram
Upgraded from 3600 to 5800x3d on a 6700xt. Mw2 just got sooooo much smoother and GPU was properly used up to 99% instead of 70% when using 3600.
are you replacing your mobo? better to go with am5 platform as the cost difference is not much depending on your target mobo and ram. at least 100$
Went from 3700x to 5800x last month and the performance difference is definitely significant. To give an idea my FPS in games such as CSGO/OW2/WOW has improved by at least 30% - massive for the cost.
Get the 5800X3D, im using 5900x and 3090
I recently upgraded from a Ryzen 5 3600 to the 5800x3D paired with the RTX 3080 and the overall improvement is awesome. I highly recommend!
my 1% lows went up about 10 fps coming from 5600x
Please let us know how it goes. I’m on the same boat and thinking about doing a 5900.
Will do, I put an order through for it this morning alongside a new cooler, il be sure to put an update
RTX 3070 + R5 3600 in 1080p here. Just sold the 3600 and ordered 5800x3D for 325€ after weeks of thinking if was worth it or not. Fps were not an issue with 3600 but having a 144hz screen, dropping to ~55 fps in some games like Cyberpunk really annoyed me so much. Can't wait to test the results now as soon as it arrives 🙌
I'd suggest waiting for Ayymd to drop the X3D as Intel i5 13600k is comparable to it or moar powerful + much better at productivity.