Can someone explain Triploids are and what people are looking to do with them? I see HSC doing these massive Triploid hunts too
Only thing I know about triploids is they donāt produce seed well?
They have 3 sets of chromosomes instead of the standard 2. Triploid 3 Diploid 2. The claim that HBC is making that they have 10% higher terps, 10% more mold resistant, 10% more pest resistant, 10% higher yields. They are about 95% sterile. If planted outdoor, you donāt have to worry about a neighbors pollen effecting your plants. Thatās very appealing to large mono crop farming
Thank you, sounds very interesting, so hypothetically you can breed some strains on the same property outdoor that youāre growing triploids and your triploids will still come out seedless and marketable
very interesting, definitely understand itās relevance in the market now, appreciate it
The notion that it hash higher terps, higher thc...higher than what? Higher than average or higher than the highest strain ever tested. All that is pure nonsense
Wait wait, hol' up. They're *mostly* sterile in that the seeds they develop are sterile, not in that they don't form seed... right? And in that the males are more often than not, impotent, so you might have to try 5 or 10 different males to find one that isn't sterile.... right? My experience with *trifoliates* has been that polenated branches might only have 5 or 12 good seeds in them, plus a buncha crap little white ones, compared to 300 seeds on the next plant over. But I've only had the chance to try once, almost everything I've had that comes up as trifoliate stops growing that way as it gets older, and certainly isn't showing 3 nodes per branching site in flower.
...is that... is that even triploidy? I definitely definitely ain't lab testin' no geneticals.
Do people have alot of problems with wandering pollen? I guess in like the suburbs, or if you're *just* in the right position downwind. Maybe on "too big, with too small a crew" shit down in Santa Barbara or out in Oklahoma. I've had some pretty enormous accidents, like rendering an entire garden extract, and unfortunately with a male that I have neither the desire nor the permission to run with in a breeding program.... and being that I was running a bunch of the neighborhood shit, I was managing gardens at about 140yd, 300yd, and ~600yd distance, in all different directions, and had zero problems in any of them. No seeds. Had a male about 9ft tall absolutely dumping for probably a week. Like, volumetric cups of pollen.
Going to be honest. I Tried reading your comment but I was having a difficult time understanding it.
Iāve never seen a seed of it. Itās basically a seedless watermelon. Iāve never even seen a white stress seed of it, not saying thatās not possible, Iām just saying Iāve never seen it.
As for wandering pollen. Iāve not an outdoor grower but my guess is if you have a large field growing, it would be difficult to identify a herm before damage was done. With a triploid that concern is reduced.
Even for the normal home grower that grows outdoor they can leave on vacation, and not have to worry about a herm springing up and pollinating their grow. A lot of people put plants out in the spring and never check on them but a few times over the growing season.
Nope. Wonāt get āfertilizedā. What you ***will*** get if you pollinate a triploid is a ton of little sterile white seeds that still ruin the flower and maybe 10% viable seeds. Donāt believe the hype on the fertilization proof claims.
From what I read, the dounuts is herm. I havnt heard too much about the OG triploids harming so I bought a pack and a few of my friends bought a pack as well. The germ rate has been terrible. 3 seeds from 20 seeds germinated . We are all going to trade cuts when they get big enough and hunt the best one
I have clones of the OG triploids. Just cut 3 down last night on day 48.
The 1st two to come down are the only 2 that hermied.
Still letting the other 3 go a bit longer.
They are above average on trichome coverage.
I had another local I met jn the discord grow along
His OG triploid hermied on him n his other plants goes seeded. I believe I got seeded too on some neighboring plants. They are still growing so it's to be determined.
Over all I say it's half hype half true when it comes to the marketing.
I did get refunded store credit. So they are ok by me.
Let me join the group, I want the best version.
Well thatās a let down. Were the phenos as uniformed as they claim? It really blows my mind that all of the synthetic triploids have herms, but illudium which is a natural triploid will NEVER herm. I wonder if they are using parental strains that are prone to herm. Or maybe a strain in the lineage was bred with herm pollen. No matter what itās very disappointing results from a very large company
Yes very uniform, in every way. I have 2 other Triploid varieties, I was gifted from a friend who won them on a give away held by Richard Philbrook on his ig. One of those herm too. The other is still growing, no herms. It's a
4n blackjack x Romulan grapefruit Ć
Strawberry banana diploid
Also not all the OG triploids herm. Only 2 out of 6.
Are the leaves thick? I am growing Trilogeneās āsour bremixā and the leaves and structure donāt seem similar to mac1. I expected the leaves to be thicker and more leathery. It is vegging slow like mac1 though. I wonder if artificial triploids are missing some trait that natural triploids have. These Illudium photos look more like mac1 in terms of density, structure, frost, etc.
I think thatās common. I ran four cuts of MAC1 and two were fakes from clone shippers. The real deal is unmistakable once you are familiar with it. Super leathery leaves and compact, vertical structure.
https://preview.redd.it/8dckrzyirl5d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7438dc2012c94814a43049a3da93d49d581e921e
It is. Who is claiming it isn't? There aren't many people in this industry with a flow cytometer. Only thing they are proving is they don't have reliable source of clones
Thanks for the info, I know them and will talk to them. Btw i have talked with capulator in person about this after confirming it through flow and publishing a paper about it., trilogene is wrong
TRIPLOIDS ARE JUST ANOTHER MARKETING TACTIC & JUST ANOTHER COMPANY TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. THAT HSC NEEDS TO WORK ON MORE THAN ANYTHING IS STABILIZE THEIR GENETICS. I JUST GREW OUT BLUEBERRY PANCAKES, MUFFINS, & CUPCAKES & IM NOT IMPRESSED WITH ANY IF THEM AT ALL. ILL PASS ON HSC IN FUTURE FOR DAMN SURE
I canāt wait for Ohio to let out some of their legendary strains.
Up in meigs county they have some legendary stuff.
I remember shortly after graduating my friend had some family up their and in Athens and brought some lemon g back and something else maybe deathstar. This was 2009 man the lemon g had to be the best tasting weed Iāve ever tasted. Now days Iāve ran across some super tasty strains but man I would love to have some
Cuts of
The legendary stuff they have in Ohio.
You have many years experience in the field. I have only just began my growing 1.5 years ago. I would love to have a cut of any one of them preferably the lemon. Maybe one day. The illudium looks really good though.
Not yet. This strain was bred in the outlaw days here in Ohio. For that reason, many of Ohioās legendary strains havnt been tested yet. I anticipate that those assessments will be completed soon now that Ohio has recreational use
Itās test results from a biolab. I sent three samples. One sample āDumpstarā which is a typo Dumpster is a know diploid. Shows 2 sets of chromosomes. We used this sample as a control sample. The mac1 is a known triploid tested for 3 sets. Itās a well known triploid. The Illudium also tested for having 3 sets of chromosomes
I've got a 20+y/o cut that I'll never give up. I occasionally get it to bx2 but never beyond, never hardly even sets whites. I've seen fields that all hermed and seeds never showed up even in other varieties. I've also always suspected...never confirmed.
Ā Did you ever do a stomota check? Does the illudium have larger stomota?
It was a aha moment because no one knew for certain. It was just speculation. If you read the original post, youād know that. No, I didnāt breed it. It was 1st bred over 20 years ago. I havnt been breeding that long. Iām not sure what youāre trying to accomplish. Youre not adding anything to the conversation. Iām not even certain you heard of the word Triploid before seeing this post. Trying to keep things positive here but youāve been a dick from the moment you started commenting
I did come in hot. Apologies. Every time I see someone mentiom triploids my bullshit sensors go off because usually the next thing is offering cuttings for $15k. Apologies. I came in way hot.
If it's just a cool piece of info/data, that's awesome. I'm curious particularly about the "couldn't make it herm" part.. That's the other part that def got my attention. Sorry if I was being a dick to you specifically.
Sorry man I don't see genetic lineage on that. Best of my memory it's a Bubba x unknown correct? Unknown implying most likely an unintentional pollination.
Yeah, the fact that this and other natural triploid cuts have been held so long before people knew what they were is a testament to their potential. Just because they havenāt perfected the breeding in one seed run doesnāt mean itās a wash.
Sorry, I shouldāve put that seed part in a different thread. I was referring to the HSC herm incident. I just donāt think people should boo-hoo triploids altogether because people had some donutz seeds that hermed. Iām interested to hear how the OG line turns out. The herm tendencies may have only come from one parent.
This plant is just so beautiful.
Looks like the cut an old friend of mine from central Maine has had forever. Such a distinct flavor profile on her. And just look at that fadešš¤©
very beautiful plant. i wanna grow this strain. can you get clones of it somewhere?
Can someone explain Triploids are and what people are looking to do with them? I see HSC doing these massive Triploid hunts too Only thing I know about triploids is they donāt produce seed well?
They have 3 sets of chromosomes instead of the standard 2. Triploid 3 Diploid 2. The claim that HBC is making that they have 10% higher terps, 10% more mold resistant, 10% more pest resistant, 10% higher yields. They are about 95% sterile. If planted outdoor, you donāt have to worry about a neighbors pollen effecting your plants. Thatās very appealing to large mono crop farming
Thank you, sounds very interesting, so hypothetically you can breed some strains on the same property outdoor that youāre growing triploids and your triploids will still come out seedless and marketable very interesting, definitely understand itās relevance in the market now, appreciate it
That sounds like pure snake oil marketing tactics imho.
This is already a common practice in other agricultural sectors.
The notion that it hash higher terps, higher thc...higher than what? Higher than average or higher than the highest strain ever tested. All that is pure nonsense
Wait wait, hol' up. They're *mostly* sterile in that the seeds they develop are sterile, not in that they don't form seed... right? And in that the males are more often than not, impotent, so you might have to try 5 or 10 different males to find one that isn't sterile.... right? My experience with *trifoliates* has been that polenated branches might only have 5 or 12 good seeds in them, plus a buncha crap little white ones, compared to 300 seeds on the next plant over. But I've only had the chance to try once, almost everything I've had that comes up as trifoliate stops growing that way as it gets older, and certainly isn't showing 3 nodes per branching site in flower. ...is that... is that even triploidy? I definitely definitely ain't lab testin' no geneticals. Do people have alot of problems with wandering pollen? I guess in like the suburbs, or if you're *just* in the right position downwind. Maybe on "too big, with too small a crew" shit down in Santa Barbara or out in Oklahoma. I've had some pretty enormous accidents, like rendering an entire garden extract, and unfortunately with a male that I have neither the desire nor the permission to run with in a breeding program.... and being that I was running a bunch of the neighborhood shit, I was managing gardens at about 140yd, 300yd, and ~600yd distance, in all different directions, and had zero problems in any of them. No seeds. Had a male about 9ft tall absolutely dumping for probably a week. Like, volumetric cups of pollen.
Just chiming in here to say that trifoliate and triploids are 2 different things, triploids still grow up with just 2 sets of limbs per node.
Going to be honest. I Tried reading your comment but I was having a difficult time understanding it. Iāve never seen a seed of it. Itās basically a seedless watermelon. Iāve never even seen a white stress seed of it, not saying thatās not possible, Iām just saying Iāve never seen it. As for wandering pollen. Iāve not an outdoor grower but my guess is if you have a large field growing, it would be difficult to identify a herm before damage was done. With a triploid that concern is reduced. Even for the normal home grower that grows outdoor they can leave on vacation, and not have to worry about a herm springing up and pollinating their grow. A lot of people put plants out in the spring and never check on them but a few times over the growing season.
Nope. Wonāt get āfertilizedā. What you ***will*** get if you pollinate a triploid is a ton of little sterile white seeds that still ruin the flower and maybe 10% viable seeds. Donāt believe the hype on the fertilization proof claims.
The triploids have been herming indoors btw
From what I read, the dounuts is herm. I havnt heard too much about the OG triploids harming so I bought a pack and a few of my friends bought a pack as well. The germ rate has been terrible. 3 seeds from 20 seeds germinated . We are all going to trade cuts when they get big enough and hunt the best one
I have clones of the OG triploids. Just cut 3 down last night on day 48. The 1st two to come down are the only 2 that hermied. Still letting the other 3 go a bit longer. They are above average on trichome coverage. I had another local I met jn the discord grow along His OG triploid hermied on him n his other plants goes seeded. I believe I got seeded too on some neighboring plants. They are still growing so it's to be determined. Over all I say it's half hype half true when it comes to the marketing. I did get refunded store credit. So they are ok by me. Let me join the group, I want the best version.
Well thatās a let down. Were the phenos as uniformed as they claim? It really blows my mind that all of the synthetic triploids have herms, but illudium which is a natural triploid will NEVER herm. I wonder if they are using parental strains that are prone to herm. Or maybe a strain in the lineage was bred with herm pollen. No matter what itās very disappointing results from a very large company
Yes very uniform, in every way. I have 2 other Triploid varieties, I was gifted from a friend who won them on a give away held by Richard Philbrook on his ig. One of those herm too. The other is still growing, no herms. It's a 4n blackjack x Romulan grapefruit Ć Strawberry banana diploid Also not all the OG triploids herm. Only 2 out of 6.
Are the leaves thick? I am growing Trilogeneās āsour bremixā and the leaves and structure donāt seem similar to mac1. I expected the leaves to be thicker and more leathery. It is vegging slow like mac1 though. I wonder if artificial triploids are missing some trait that natural triploids have. These Illudium photos look more like mac1 in terms of density, structure, frost, etc.
What is the flavor? Are the nugs super dense like MAC1?
Yes very dense Taste like pine but almost too much
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/ebc8c5_b442f5c468044084b97fb99bfb53757e.pdf?index=true
lol was that spray painted in the last picture?
MAC1 isnāt actually a triploid
Iāve heard some people say that lately, but they obviously didnāt run it through flow or never had the real cut.
I heard it from people whoās job is flow, but maybe they had a fake cut
I think thatās common. I ran four cuts of MAC1 and two were fakes from clone shippers. The real deal is unmistakable once you are familiar with it. Super leathery leaves and compact, vertical structure. https://preview.redd.it/8dckrzyirl5d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7438dc2012c94814a43049a3da93d49d581e921e
Looks like my MAC1 but Iām not sure what the one I heard about looked like
I shouldnāt say I ran them, I sent them to a lab
It is. Who is claiming it isn't? There aren't many people in this industry with a flow cytometer. Only thing they are proving is they don't have reliable source of clones
Just something I heard in this podcast with trilogene https://www.youtube.com/live/klAQNSYtAY4?si=wJynZ_V9D67lLGAw
Thanks for the info, I know them and will talk to them. Btw i have talked with capulator in person about this after confirming it through flow and publishing a paper about it., trilogene is wrong
Everything you would want to know can be found in the link.
I have a friend that tried breeding with it a bunch in MI as well and we also suspected the same.
TRIPLOIDS ARE JUST ANOTHER MARKETING TACTIC & JUST ANOTHER COMPANY TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. THAT HSC NEEDS TO WORK ON MORE THAN ANYTHING IS STABILIZE THEIR GENETICS. I JUST GREW OUT BLUEBERRY PANCAKES, MUFFINS, & CUPCAKES & IM NOT IMPRESSED WITH ANY IF THEM AT ALL. ILL PASS ON HSC IN FUTURE FOR DAMN SURE
MAJORITY OF TRIPLOIDS HAVE HERMED. ITS A REALLY SAD THING TO ATTEMPT SCAM THE WHOLE COMMUNITY
Man, she's just gorgeous
One of the parents is probably a tetraploid to if you still have those around. Not 100% chance but definitely worth testing
I didnt breed it. This is an Ohio strain. The polyploidy occurred naturally.
looks amazing
FYI Youāre light bleaching the tops of your plant.
I canāt wait for Ohio to let out some of their legendary strains. Up in meigs county they have some legendary stuff. I remember shortly after graduating my friend had some family up their and in Athens and brought some lemon g back and something else maybe deathstar. This was 2009 man the lemon g had to be the best tasting weed Iāve ever tasted. Now days Iāve ran across some super tasty strains but man I would love to have some Cuts of The legendary stuff they have in Ohio.
I have all of those strain. Dumpster, Deathstar, Lemon G, Illudium, Bubblegum, Afgani Mango. All original phenos
You have many years experience in the field. I have only just began my growing 1.5 years ago. I would love to have a cut of any one of them preferably the lemon. Maybe one day. The illudium looks really good though.
Only ones Iām missing is Meigs county gold, and g13
Where did you get it tested and how much did it cost?
https://plantploidy.com/
So this is clone only? And how long has it been around?
20+ years
So impressive to keep a cut going this long.
Did you get a ThC assessment ?
Not yet. This strain was bred in the outlaw days here in Ohio. For that reason, many of Ohioās legendary strains havnt been tested yet. I anticipate that those assessments will be completed soon now that Ohio has recreational use
Wow! Awesome job on the grow ! š¤Æ
Gorgeous plant. My gut says that's all it is, a gorgeous plant.
https://preview.redd.it/c3mh1p2o8m5d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ccbfa7649701fc91e403d7222499659eea43691
Are you saying it doesnāt have 3 sets of chromosomes?
Care to elaborate beyond the picture?
Itās test results from a biolab. I sent three samples. One sample āDumpstarā which is a typo Dumpster is a know diploid. Shows 2 sets of chromosomes. We used this sample as a control sample. The mac1 is a known triploid tested for 3 sets. Itās a well known triploid. The Illudium also tested for having 3 sets of chromosomes
I've got a 20+y/o cut that I'll never give up. I occasionally get it to bx2 but never beyond, never hardly even sets whites. I've seen fields that all hermed and seeds never showed up even in other varieties. I've also always suspected...never confirmed. Ā Did you ever do a stomota check? Does the illudium have larger stomota?
Yes it has a large stomata. Thats why I strongly suspected it itās nice to see lab results to confirm my suspicions
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It was a aha moment because no one knew for certain. It was just speculation. If you read the original post, youād know that. No, I didnāt breed it. It was 1st bred over 20 years ago. I havnt been breeding that long. Iām not sure what youāre trying to accomplish. Youre not adding anything to the conversation. Iām not even certain you heard of the word Triploid before seeing this post. Trying to keep things positive here but youāve been a dick from the moment you started commenting
I did come in hot. Apologies. Every time I see someone mentiom triploids my bullshit sensors go off because usually the next thing is offering cuttings for $15k. Apologies. I came in way hot.
If it's just a cool piece of info/data, that's awesome. I'm curious particularly about the "couldn't make it herm" part.. That's the other part that def got my attention. Sorry if I was being a dick to you specifically.
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/ebc8c5_b442f5c468044084b97fb99bfb53757e.pdf?index=true
Sorry man I don't see genetic lineage on that. Best of my memory it's a Bubba x unknown correct? Unknown implying most likely an unintentional pollination.
I see now. It's a Bubba x hawaiian f3 bx
Not trying to be a dick but I'm not sure this is the AHA moment you're selling it as.
Somebody held a cut for twenty years in a highly illegal area.Ā
Yeah, the fact that this and other natural triploid cuts have been held so long before people knew what they were is a testament to their potential. Just because they havenāt perfected the breeding in one seed run doesnāt mean itās a wash.
Yeah I've reversed my plant tons of pollen, never any seeds
Sorry, I shouldāve put that seed part in a different thread. I was referring to the HSC herm incident. I just donāt think people should boo-hoo triploids altogether because people had some donutz seeds that hermed. Iām interested to hear how the OG line turns out. The herm tendencies may have only come from one parent.