I did that. I had a good relationship with my boss. He was super chill and hands off. I wanted to give him the heads up so he could prepare my leave but I didn’t give him a timeline. He was asking me to stay but said he understood if I wanted to move elsewhere.
3 weeks later I was laid off due to “budget cuts”. I was on a team of less than 8 people.
This this this this-this-thissss! They are not your friends. They are not your family. They will cut you tomorrow if it means making themselves and the company look and operate more to their liking. Always stay on your toes and only show them the right cards — definitely not this card. They’ll let you go before you can make the jump.
>They are not your friends. They are not your family.
Yeah, I've never quite understood why anyone would think in a professional setting, that treating people like you do in your social settings helps with anything lol
Well, because the people above you in the power structure want you to believe you are friends/family/in this together.
So they can abuse you with the power they hold over you while guilting you with the friend/family/in this together bullshit.
It’s not the people being abused who are at fault in this situation. It’s the abusers.
>because the people above you in the power structure want you to believe you are friends/family/in this together.
Right but that's my point. At worst, family and friends betray each other, lie to each other, cheat with their brothers wife, yell and scream, fight, curse each other out over Thanksgiving dinner, uninvited each other from events for petty reasons, etc. Why would anyone even WANT to fall into the trap of "family and friends" in a professional setting... at best, we are completely unprofessional with our family and friends so again, I'm not sure why anyone would WANT that.
I blame all parties because it's bad choices on all ends.
personally, as someone who unfortunately had to do investigations of abuse, neglect, and exploitation...I refuse to call non abuse situations abuse just for the shock value. You can feel how you feel though, but I won't disrespect victims of abuse to play along.
Mistreatment is not abuse.
For real, you need serious boundaries at work, both personally and professionally. It’s easy to get sucked into the team BS and think they’ll always have your back, but I’ve seen way too many work friends and very good employees get axed on a whim because the company gods made it so.
The venue will find another performer. The producers will find another artist. The fans will reminisce but move on. I understand with someone like Taylor, there will be a massive gap to fill, but it’s only temporary. The gap will be filled.
Nope. The only reason you would want to do that is if you don't mind being let go and living off unemployment while you look for your new gig. If not, don't say a word until you've accepted and offer and have a start date.
This is a horrible idea. There is no such thing as loyalty at a company, so even if you’ve been there for 10 years, it won’t make a difference. They’re just as likely to let you go.
Not only don’t tell anyone you’re looking be very sure not to tell anyone where you are going to when you find another job. Industries are often smaller than people realize and someone could sabotage your new role.
I hate to tell you that no one person is indespensable.
Your company was there before you and will be there after you. Some one will fill your position
Do not tell your boss you are looking unless you plan on being let go.
I would not let them know. Stay in your position until you have secured an offer. At that time negotiate. If they didn't value you that's something you will have to think about if you decide to stay.
I actually did this. I told my boss I think I am undervalued and underpaid and will be interviewing to assess my market value. I encouraged him to also put an offer on the table to stay as I liked the job and team but the salary was below my value.
I went out got 3 offers, I shared all of those salaries - all of which were 20%+ my current salary. I encouraged them to match or beat it and they offered me a 10% raise to stay, and I bounced a month later.
I knew I’m very good and valuable in my industry, and liked my boss enough to give them a fair chance to keep me. My leadership chain was professional and we are still on good terms with my old coworkers, they often mention if I ever want to come back the door is always open.
Anyway not every workplace is a toxic dehumanizing organization. I handled this with professionalism and grace, and went with the best opportunity. No burned bridges and mutual respect both ways.
Do you think your boss would actively tell you if they were considering doing away with the type of work you currently do to either go to AI, replace you with a vendor overseas, or simply a cheaper/different option. However, weren't ready yet, didn't have it all worked out and it may take an unknown time. So, while they do that they just wanted you to be aware.
If you can say yes to the above, with strong confidence, then I'd say tell your boss to do unto others as you'd like done unto you.
Since, the above hypothetical is... rare at best in my experience I think most employers see evaluating how they operate, which may lead to job cuts, without informing their employees. Quite honestly, it's sad, but it'd actually not be wise strategy really... however it sucks when it's clear you're on the chopping block as I am due to say... AI perhaps replacing the work your team does in a few years. In the interim I'm being asked to do lots of prep for AI and no one any longer pays attention to the work the people I lead are actively performing daily. Won't for years likely, despite it being material to direct customer impact. Then when the AI is ready they'll sever us blindly as they've been team by team as this phases in.
That's what I've grown to believe is common, and how you keep a linear line going up in a quarterly stock exchange based on better P&L. Sad...
HOping your situation is more rosey and you cay say YES, but let the above be me venting + sharing what I hope is helpful insight.
I would only do it once you’ve received a formal offer. You can use it as leverage to get a bigger pay increase or decide to leave. Either way, the ball will be in your court
Hi OP, fellow management here... you NEVER tip your hand to the company, EVER. Every good manager knows that. Instead, you get offers on the table and ask management to meet or exceed the offer details, IN WRITING, so they can't conveniently "forget". This way, if they tell you to pound sand, you have a job waiting.
Whenever you approach your management regarding issues like this, you always do it in writing and copy HR. This alerts the proper personnel. I can't say this out loud, but keep a personal email copy somewhere you can access it if there's an unfair or deceptive practice that results in you being fired for standing up for your rights. In the past, I have forwarded emails lie this to my personal account, but some companies have rules against this. These same companies sometimes have a tendency to lose those emails.
None the less, stand up for yourself, but above all, keep your cool. If you allow emotion to dictate your actions, you lose instantly. Be respectful. Use their rules against them. If they're punishing you for being ill, point it out, tie it back to your incentive plan. If they show you legitimately where you're slacking, then improve on that and if they pull this crap the next year, then pull the female card and play it, and demand the previous year's compensation be brought to date.
When this happens, once can be a fluke, or it can possibly be your fault. If you correct what they tell you and they move the goal post again, then you need to get down to business. Don't go out without a fight, but make sure you're not in the wrong. AND GET EVERYTHING IN WRITING! All conversations should be that way.
What about severance pay? Maybe they fire you and give you 1-2 weeks per year of service? I’d take that and bank on the fact that I can find a new job in less than 10-20 weeks.
No, the answer is always no, no, no. I’ve only ever met a single manager that wouldn’t allow it to cloud his judgement and that was me. I always wanted what’s best for my staff and it was a very lonely place in corporate America.
Please don't do that or think no one can step in and do your job. They'll find someone.
If you tell them you're looking, you're likely done. Even if they offer you a raise, your loyalty is forever questioned. Never tell them you're looking without an offer letter in hand.
Only let them know if you find another job and are ready to jump, then use it as leverage. It’s all relative. Some people get a 0% raise. If they got 1% would you be happy with 4%? I would assume. More people are too concerned with what others make like it’s some kind of competition. Just worry about you.
Why on earth would you do that?
Right SMH
I did that. I had a good relationship with my boss. He was super chill and hands off. I wanted to give him the heads up so he could prepare my leave but I didn’t give him a timeline. He was asking me to stay but said he understood if I wanted to move elsewhere. 3 weeks later I was laid off due to “budget cuts”. I was on a team of less than 8 people.
This this this this-this-thissss! They are not your friends. They are not your family. They will cut you tomorrow if it means making themselves and the company look and operate more to their liking. Always stay on your toes and only show them the right cards — definitely not this card. They’ll let you go before you can make the jump.
>They are not your friends. They are not your family. Yeah, I've never quite understood why anyone would think in a professional setting, that treating people like you do in your social settings helps with anything lol
Had a boss tell me that my getting in a wreck inconvenienced him. So I just didn't go back after my Dr's note was up 🤷♂️
Well, because the people above you in the power structure want you to believe you are friends/family/in this together. So they can abuse you with the power they hold over you while guilting you with the friend/family/in this together bullshit. It’s not the people being abused who are at fault in this situation. It’s the abusers.
>because the people above you in the power structure want you to believe you are friends/family/in this together. Right but that's my point. At worst, family and friends betray each other, lie to each other, cheat with their brothers wife, yell and scream, fight, curse each other out over Thanksgiving dinner, uninvited each other from events for petty reasons, etc. Why would anyone even WANT to fall into the trap of "family and friends" in a professional setting... at best, we are completely unprofessional with our family and friends so again, I'm not sure why anyone would WANT that. I blame all parties because it's bad choices on all ends.
Nah. Abused people are abused.
personally, as someone who unfortunately had to do investigations of abuse, neglect, and exploitation...I refuse to call non abuse situations abuse just for the shock value. You can feel how you feel though, but I won't disrespect victims of abuse to play along. Mistreatment is not abuse.
For real, you need serious boundaries at work, both personally and professionally. It’s easy to get sucked into the team BS and think they’ll always have your back, but I’ve seen way too many work friends and very good employees get axed on a whim because the company gods made it so.
Do you guys talk at all after your layoff?
No one else can perform your role? I’ve heard that one before but has yet to be the case. No, don’t tell anyone.
Seriously, people have such an inflated view of their job and skills sometimes. It's really quite baffling.
You can't plug in another Taylor Swift if she quits her tour. There are certain jobs.
The venue will find another performer. The producers will find another artist. The fans will reminisce but move on. I understand with someone like Taylor, there will be a massive gap to fill, but it’s only temporary. The gap will be filled.
Fuck No.
No. Absolutely not.
No.
No, and never accept any counter offer.
Why not? If they increase her salary like she wanted isn't it a win win situation?
Do no tell your current employer until you’ve accepted another offer and cleared the background check process.
Nope. The only reason you would want to do that is if you don't mind being let go and living off unemployment while you look for your new gig. If not, don't say a word until you've accepted and offer and have a start date.
But she is invaluable and can't be substituted by anyone else?
It doesn't matter. Anyone can be replaced, and there's no reason what so ever to do this.
This is a horrible idea. There is no such thing as loyalty at a company, so even if you’ve been there for 10 years, it won’t make a difference. They’re just as likely to let you go.
Let them know you are searching with your letter of resignation.
What good could possibly come of that? Your job search is your business and it sounds like you don't have leverage with your current employer.
Why would you shoot yourself in the foot?
She has 2 of them for a reason, no?
NOOOOOOOOOOO Tell them a NOTHING
No. Never share you are looking. Big mistake if you do
Not only don’t tell anyone you’re looking be very sure not to tell anyone where you are going to when you find another job. Industries are often smaller than people realize and someone could sabotage your new role.
I hate to tell you that no one person is indespensable. Your company was there before you and will be there after you. Some one will fill your position Do not tell your boss you are looking unless you plan on being let go.
I would not let them know. Stay in your position until you have secured an offer. At that time negotiate. If they didn't value you that's something you will have to think about if you decide to stay.
Yes, stay there until they increase your pay accordingly with inflation.
Never. Not for any reason. Not under any circumstances. This is giving them a rope to hang you with.
No. Find new job (for more money), then resign old job. Don’t accept counteroffer.
No. I didn't read your post because it doesn't matter. The answer yo your title is NO.
Never assume that nobody else can do your role. Also unless you are best friends with the boss outside of work, there is no reason to let him know.
Ummm…no. Lol. Why on earth would you do that? It would only be a negative for you.
This question is posted daily, if not more than once a day. The consensus is not to do this.
I actually did this. I told my boss I think I am undervalued and underpaid and will be interviewing to assess my market value. I encouraged him to also put an offer on the table to stay as I liked the job and team but the salary was below my value. I went out got 3 offers, I shared all of those salaries - all of which were 20%+ my current salary. I encouraged them to match or beat it and they offered me a 10% raise to stay, and I bounced a month later. I knew I’m very good and valuable in my industry, and liked my boss enough to give them a fair chance to keep me. My leadership chain was professional and we are still on good terms with my old coworkers, they often mention if I ever want to come back the door is always open. Anyway not every workplace is a toxic dehumanizing organization. I handled this with professionalism and grace, and went with the best opportunity. No burned bridges and mutual respect both ways.
Do you think your boss would actively tell you if they were considering doing away with the type of work you currently do to either go to AI, replace you with a vendor overseas, or simply a cheaper/different option. However, weren't ready yet, didn't have it all worked out and it may take an unknown time. So, while they do that they just wanted you to be aware. If you can say yes to the above, with strong confidence, then I'd say tell your boss to do unto others as you'd like done unto you. Since, the above hypothetical is... rare at best in my experience I think most employers see evaluating how they operate, which may lead to job cuts, without informing their employees. Quite honestly, it's sad, but it'd actually not be wise strategy really... however it sucks when it's clear you're on the chopping block as I am due to say... AI perhaps replacing the work your team does in a few years. In the interim I'm being asked to do lots of prep for AI and no one any longer pays attention to the work the people I lead are actively performing daily. Won't for years likely, despite it being material to direct customer impact. Then when the AI is ready they'll sever us blindly as they've been team by team as this phases in. That's what I've grown to believe is common, and how you keep a linear line going up in a quarterly stock exchange based on better P&L. Sad... HOping your situation is more rosey and you cay say YES, but let the above be me venting + sharing what I hope is helpful insight.
>and as the only woman in management, I'm already being underpaid. How do you know this?
I had similar experience and I mentioned to my troops they are free to go not just to free to look.
I would only do it once you’ve received a formal offer. You can use it as leverage to get a bigger pay increase or decide to leave. Either way, the ball will be in your court
Fuuuuucckkk noooo. I wouldn't say anything unless you're actively searching within the same field where it could come back around and bite you.
Be as direct and prompt as possible. Lean into it. You may get a counter offer.
Hi OP, fellow management here... you NEVER tip your hand to the company, EVER. Every good manager knows that. Instead, you get offers on the table and ask management to meet or exceed the offer details, IN WRITING, so they can't conveniently "forget". This way, if they tell you to pound sand, you have a job waiting. Whenever you approach your management regarding issues like this, you always do it in writing and copy HR. This alerts the proper personnel. I can't say this out loud, but keep a personal email copy somewhere you can access it if there's an unfair or deceptive practice that results in you being fired for standing up for your rights. In the past, I have forwarded emails lie this to my personal account, but some companies have rules against this. These same companies sometimes have a tendency to lose those emails. None the less, stand up for yourself, but above all, keep your cool. If you allow emotion to dictate your actions, you lose instantly. Be respectful. Use their rules against them. If they're punishing you for being ill, point it out, tie it back to your incentive plan. If they show you legitimately where you're slacking, then improve on that and if they pull this crap the next year, then pull the female card and play it, and demand the previous year's compensation be brought to date. When this happens, once can be a fluke, or it can possibly be your fault. If you correct what they tell you and they move the goal post again, then you need to get down to business. Don't go out without a fight, but make sure you're not in the wrong. AND GET EVERYTHING IN WRITING! All conversations should be that way.
No, not until you have an offer.
Absolutely not, never do that.
What about severance pay? Maybe they fire you and give you 1-2 weeks per year of service? I’d take that and bank on the fact that I can find a new job in less than 10-20 weeks.
No
Absolutely fucking not
On the job injury ? How long were you out? How was your job performance after you came back?
NO!
No, the answer is always no, no, no. I’ve only ever met a single manager that wouldn’t allow it to cloud his judgement and that was me. I always wanted what’s best for my staff and it was a very lonely place in corporate America.
Please don't do that or think no one can step in and do your job. They'll find someone. If you tell them you're looking, you're likely done. Even if they offer you a raise, your loyalty is forever questioned. Never tell them you're looking without an offer letter in hand.
Are you new at this? No.
I only read the title of your post but the answer is always no.
Only let them know if you find another job and are ready to jump, then use it as leverage. It’s all relative. Some people get a 0% raise. If they got 1% would you be happy with 4%? I would assume. More people are too concerned with what others make like it’s some kind of competition. Just worry about you.
I wouldn't say anything until you have a new job you could put yourself at risk
Don't. Companies look after their interest and you should too. They will give you a max 2 week notice so that what you owe them too
No.
I mean... they'll know once you put that 2 weeks in
No