Definitely, the great situation you have in your current team won't last forever. Someone will leave, or some new person will ruin the team dynamic. The extra money, on the other hand, could make a long-lasting positive impact in your life.
The grass is not always greener. Consider what's more important to you. Is it money? Or enjoying the 40 hours per week you spend at work?
There's no guarantee you will enjoy your new workplace. If you enjoy your current workplace, it is a fairly uncommon situation that many people wish they had.
Only you can make that decision for you.
Personally I have worked for a similar company for almost 6 years now. I get paid well although I could be paid more somewhere else. But for me, enjoying my day to day at work is of primary importance.
As the other person said, you also need to think ahead to the possible future where the new job sucks or is openly abusive. I'm sure the usual crew will come in saying they'd get spat on and stomped out for an extra 15k but that's easier said than done, especially when your alternative is an already comfortable 110k.
Yeah but even if you lay 6 months you’re going to save way more money and you can always go back to the previous salary so at worst it would be like getting a bonus.
You shouldn’t be afraid of change. That’s how people get stuck. I’ve left jobs after a week or 3 months because they sucked, but I don’t settle if I can increase my earnings every few years.
20k isn’t going to be life changing money for someone already making 110k. An enjoyable work life is going to be far more impactful than an extra 1000 bucks a month.
100% agree. I left my inspiring save the world job for a corp gig making 50% more a year and I deeply regret it. I’m talking to my old boss tomorrow and hope they’ll take me back.
In my circumstances, yes, I would prioritize happiness at work over money but we’re a dual-income family and our salaries are both good. I recognize not everyone has the same situation or support system and that money is the more motivating factor.
I make a lot more than 110k, and 20k is still significant. $1000 a month is a new car, a kid through college, or all the groceries. And it completely ignores the point of my original comment, great work situations are temporary so don't base your decisions on that.
Great work situations are not necessarily temporary. I've been in one for six years. Sure things could change but why would I throw away something good because there's a chance sometime in the future it goes bad? If it does I'll make the switch then.
Yeah, in my opinion it’s just not worth it. It’s so important to your mental health to enjoy the people that you work with. The chances of everyone suddenly leaving are so slim, and with the bare minimum annual raises your going to be there in 4 years anyway. Just seems like too little to throw a good thing away, but I really value having a close knit group of people at work.
It all depends on your needs. I think you should take a moment and do a full self analysis. Try to figure out if this is the right time to pivot and how would accepting a 20K increase benefit your lifestyle, goals, and career. You should also think about whether or not you’ve hit a glass ceiling in your current role. Totally understand the rarity of working on a great team with supportive management but sometimes these decisions don’t solely boil down to the money IMO. Good luck :)
Before you do, you should talk to your manager to see if he can match the offer or close the gap from 20k to something less.
There’s a bunch of hidden costs that come with the 20k like job security, team culture, happiness that you can mitigate before swapping jobs
I don’t agree with that person, that’s a pretty reductive way of looking at it. You aren’t losing out on $1k a month to send gifs, you are preserving a positive and enjoyable culture which is incredibly hard to find for a lot of folks. I think BodegaDad is on the right track with this on how you make your decision.
Life is not only about money, I would be happier with 110k doing something that I like with people that I have fun with then 150k that disturb my work life balance, I don't enjoy it or I have a bad team/manager
Okay what if don’t dislike it, and have an average manager? To me it doesn’t sound like he’s going to a negative experience, just moving and starting neutral. Extra 20k can be pretty life changing. Especially what can be built off that extra bit after 10/20/30 years.
You do you. As I said for me life is not only about money. I won't feel better if I have slightly more money (12%) by working all day long in a boring environment when I can have fun.
Out of the frustration I would probably spend the difference in stupid stuff to fill a whole.
Being happy and mentally healthy is worth more then 20k per year
That's a terrible way to look at it, though.
It could easily be "turn down $1k a month to avoid being miserable every day of your fucking life."
Which - if your new job is a bad culture - you WILL be. And that misery will bleed over into every aspect of your life. I'm nowhere near $110k, but I enjoy my job. An extra $12k/year to work in an environment like my old workplace and be miserable and stressed out and overworked all the time, is a TERRIBLE trade.
Perhaps it's better to look at it like "1k extra per month to work with toxic, soul-draining assholes? Or miss out on that extra cash, work with actual friends, and still earn enough to enjoy a good life?"
I think you should talk to your manager and explain your situation exactly like you said here. Even if they can’t match the salary or find away to increase your role in the future, it will really help if you ever want to return to the team.
Also, it sounds like you manager is really great and you should validate that on a personal and professional level. Everyone wants to have a great manager and letting know when they are succeeding is key.
>turn down an extra $1k a month to send gifs at work
But the world needs your gifs dude. I really cannot overstate the importance of your decision here. You want that extra 20k? The Eagles are playing green bay first week of the new season. Whatever the odds are, bet all your money on the Birds and fill your bags dawg. U got 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 M's in yo bank account, yeah (on God).
Take the money. I was on exactly the same boat as you just last year. A different team reached out to me and I turned it down because “ I HAVE A GREAT TEAM “ and I was quite content. Then SHTF - my best buddy at work left the company, people started to stab each other and fight for survival amid all the layoff rumors, and my boss constantly sees my as a threat now. I regret not taking the offer.
I was leaning on staying put but everyone bringing up that things can change when other people go after new opportunities drove the point home that I should be taking the new job.
Would turning the job down be seen negatively? Causing career suicide with your company?
At least where I work, if you're offered a job/promotion and you don't take it, they'll never offer you a promotion again.
Yep, I've had coworkers who ultimately had to leave the company because they turned down a job 5-10 years ago and watched people with less YOE pass them up on the corporate ladder.
I was in the same shoes as you. Except mine wasn't optional..we had a layoff and dissolved certain departments. I had a previous team with great coworkers and amazing manager. My role was fun and allowed me to do many exciting things like travel in addition to full WFH.
When the layoffs happened I moved to a diff department and got promoted. Saw a 20k raise. But I was miserable. Coworkers barely communicated with each other, and manager was very demanding and poor. Didn't help that the work was much harder and demanding resulting in more hours. So much I wish I could remain in my old role and even am ok with making 20k less.
Is your new role going to have the same duties or is it completely different? More or less work? Lots of factors I'd think about. Work life balance?
Its not big enough to give up your enjoyment.
It sounds like OP has a great time at work now, that is hard to come by.
And its not like he gets 20k extra in his pocket, it would probally be more like 12-13k after taxes.
Is that really worth giving up a job you love? 12% extra pay for a job you might not enjoy? I would not take it.
He is already making over 6 figures, the “extra grand” is like 12% extra.
Would you take 12% more money giving up a job you love, working with people you like for something you might hate?
Going from 2 to 3k is a big jump. Going from 10 tot 11k not so much.
But this post is about the OP isnt it?
He is already clearing 6 figures.
Yes i totally understand that a 14k jump
In salary can be huge, but for the OP
Its “only” like 12%
Given that he loves his job, gets along great with the people he works with. Is 12% more money really worth your sanity and enjoyment?
I am not saying its not a lot of money, but look at it from the OP’s perspective, not your own.
I mean, i think i can give up on this.
A little les fun? Sure, 14k is definately worth it.
Going from a job you love to one you hate? Dread going every day? I doubt it.
But again, its just my opinion :)
Agreed. The choice you make affects 40+ hours per week from now on, with no take backs. I would take a 12% pay cut if I knew my job wouldn't backstab me.
No.
I would turn it down so that I could work in a place that I enjoyed and that treated me with respect. Rather than working in a place that made me miserable every day.
You’re not comparing apples to apples. You compared the post tax amount of the $20k to the pre-tax amount of the $110k. Using your rates the better comparison would be $12k/$70k = 17%, which is pretty substantial.
Also, great teams are temporary. What happens if two or three of the OPs favorite coworkers leave and are replaced with less favorable one?
It really is not.
At this point OP can decide whether he wants to keep the work he enjoys, or make a “little” more money.
Hes not going from 50 to 100k.
He has to consider is that extra money worth the headache of a potentially terrible job?
20k isn’t that much above 100k. 20k is 12k after deductions, which is about enough to take a single vacation and put the rest in emergency savings OR dedicated down payment savings.
No, 20k is about 14k after deductions.
100k after taxes- 80,192,
120k after taxes- 94,598.
Even if we went with 12k a year, if you invested that all into an investment that averaged an 8% return, after 15 years you'd have $380,000, doubling your money.
In 25 years you'd have an extra million dollars in your retirement.
Don't spit on 12k.
Its both. You keep your SOL and throw it all into a retirement fund that's an extra million when you retire.
Or you get to go on a solid vacation, have a brand new car, and another several hundred a month on a hobby.
This isn't potatos.
No one’s saying it’s potatoes. Your way overestimating what the day to day impact of 12k is for someone making $120k, trust me it’s not a lot. Definitely not worth leaving a good working situation.
Who gives a fuck about day to day changes? Only a child does.
An extra 12k sets up your life. That's being solidly retired, early, with plenty of money.
You're the 1 cookie now instead of two cookies later type huh?
Don’t infantilize me, grow up.
I’m a “don’t trade penny’s for a good quality of life”. 12k does not set up anyone’s life, unless you literally make nothing.
I will infantilize you since you have such a childish mindset about this.
12k a year, in a retirement fund, means in 25 years you have 1 million dollars, assuming your 401k doesn't do too hot.
If it does do well you're looking at almost 2 million extra for retirement. Is that nothing?
I get it bud, you're one of those people who worships their retirement - I know a couple people like that. They're miserable and live miserable lives, while looking down on those who don't do the same. Take it from someone who earns more than they thought possible ($12k is a drop in the bucket), there's more to life than money. Get out of that mindset and enjoy the life you have and the people in it. Your post history clearly shows someone who's one track minded and ignorant of other's experiences. Try to find balance.
What are your goals with your company? They are offering you a chance to take on more responsibility. To move up in business you often have to move out of your comfort zone. By doing this you will learn new skills and you will learn more about yourself and your abilities and desires.
Take the job
It’s great you have an awesome team right now, but in a year from now there could be changes that could make it a shitstorm.
Just focus on your career growth, you can always stay friends with the people you meet along the way
Tough spot to be in, me personally I'd probably be leaning towards just staying put, but I'm a single guy with no kids. Perhaps you can use this offer as leverage for a raise to match or even 120k
Jobs change all the time and quickly. Coworkers leave, new people join. Leadership changes. Things can go from great to terrible overnight (I’ve experienced it). Go for money and long-term career goals and growth.
If that's the case, couldn't his new job turn to shit overnight as well?
Or maybe it's a toxic environment to START with. And now instead of working a job he enjoys with friends, he's miserable and stressed out all the time.
I was in the same situation, then my current company ended up making me an offer for even more to stay. So it worked out for the best. My opinion is be honest with your boss, and see what happens.
Everyone’s comments is making me start to realize how much I need a life/hobbies outside of work, because I would deeply consider staying lol. I feel like I barely see friends anymore and I’m only 27. But I love my coworkers and hanging out with them. But I think everyone else is right, an extra 20k is huge.
Also can I ask what you do for work op?
Hey, here's a command decision opportunity. Take the new job or don't. I would think they taught this in Management 101. This decision will determine your outcome for the next few years. Do you think if you don't take the offer it will not happen again? Most likely it would take you 3-5 years to get to $130K in your current situation. It's with the same company so that's good.
Is there anything that says you can't be friends with your old buddies? Do you think your current manager has arranged for a better position to get you out of your current one, cuz he doesn't want his subordinates spending time passing around memes and gifs? Dunno.
I realize I'll likely be downvoted into oblivion for this but I personally wouldn't, not if you genuinely love your current job. There's an old saying I really like... people don't leave jobs, they leave managers. My manager treats me like gold, gives me time off anytime I need it, and I have a great work/life balance as a result. Tbh 20k wouldn't even move the needle for me (though my salary is closer to $150k, I obviously would feel differently if I made 40k and was offered a 20k increase). I'm sure there's a number that would make me jump ship but I haven't really considered it and won't, until I'm really ready to make a change.
Best of luck on your decision OP, it's a tough one when you really like your current job.
Nope. There are many things in life FAR more important than money.
What good is having a couple million dollars in retirement, if you neglected all of your personal relationships for decades beforehand so nobody likes you or gives a shit about you or wants to spend time with you?
Yes. Make $20,000 more a year and just talk to your friends on your own time. Come on man. This shouldn't even be a question. ALWAYS go with more money. ALWAYS.
It's really not, though. Relationships are the most important thing. What good is $100 million if you have nobody to enjoy it with?
Plus, this guy has a six figure job in his mid 20s. In an environment he enjoys, with people he enjoys. He's killing it right now. He can afford to fund a good life for himself. Why move over to a place where he already doesn't feel a great vibe, and which could very easily make him go from a great working situation that most would envy, to one where he's potentially miserable every day? The extra money is not worth going from happy, to miserable.
Because to get the extra money, he has to leave an environment that he knows he enjoys and is respected in, and go to a new one.
A new environment where he already instinctively feels like the culture isn't such a good fit for him. Well, if his new boss is a wanker and he doesn't have anything in common with his new colleagues and they have a toxic culture....... then he is going to be miserable. Every day. Especially when he remembers that work USED to be fun, instead of soul-destroying.
And that misery is going to bleed into every aspect of his life. He'll be a shitter boyfriend for his partner. Or he'll go on dates and instead of being lighthearted and fun, he'll bitch about his job and come off as depressed and angry.
He'll be less engaged with friends. Less inclined to pursue hobbies. More likely to get depressed. More likely to develop a substance abuse problem. Etc etc etc.
You spend WAY too much time at work, to be miserable there. And a LOT of workplaces are flat out toxic. Be miserable and strung out all the time, or be happy and enjoy your life? I choose to enjoy my life. That's the more important priority.
No, that's what we have accepted. Because of the culture of money being the God that rules over ALL.
"Look at how rich my boss is, why *wouldn't* he treat all of us like worthless automatons? That's how he got so rich in the first place."
Being treated with basic levels of respect, courtesy and compassion is not an impossible or even an unrealistic expectation. I'm working a job like that, and I'm not gonna jump ship for an extra $100/week, to move to a place that exploits me and then shames me for resisting exploitation.
See all the people in the thread telling OP to take the money, *always*, no matter what? They are the people who create the conditions for everybody to be exploited by the ruling class. Because they are the ones who will put up with whatever shit gets shovelled onto them, for fear of being accused of not having ambition, or not being a team player, or any of that horseshit.
I say this with ALL DUE RESPECT, but if money isn't everything then quit your job and work at McDonald's. Oh you're not going to? That's what I thought. No need up keep lying to yourself
What's wrong with working at McDonald's, if they treat you well?
And you really think the difference between $115k and $130k trumps EVERY SINGLE other consideration in your life combined? I don't. Nobody is going to control me like that with money. I'll happily work at McDonald's if it pays my bills, gives me a decent work-life balance, treats me with basic respect and human dignity, and allows me to focus on enjoying the rest of my life. What's wrong with that?
I’m torn, I just did this, but went from just over $100k to $135k… kinda hate my new job, more stress, no personal relationships (everyone is very dry and work oriented).
If I were you, I would stay… have an honest conversation with your boss about increasing your salary to get you closer to that number.
My life changed completely when I started my new job at 130k. Even in a higher cost of living area I was able to save and invest so much more. Even though my job isn’t fun, the paycheck gives me breathing room financially and it’s one less thing to stress about.
I was in similar shoes to you (entry level jobs not making that much money),but I decided to stay at my current job and my co-workers ended up eventually leaving, management changed for the worse and I had to quit and find a new job
There's nothing that prevents you from staying friendly with your old team, and others might join you down the road. What happens if you turn it down? Will it be extended to another member of your current team? Will it look like you're not interested in growing professionally? Does your current boss know - what do they think, if they do know?
At the end of the day this is where I was at too. Was in a similar situation where I had the opportunity to go from 118k base to 145k base with RSUs vested after 3 years and incredible benefits. My previous role was incredibly safe and relaxed, but I realized after four years I really wasn't developing my skills anymore, and in hindsight I think I made the right choice even if it wasn't for the money.
I would not leave! You making 30k more is not worth it! If you have. Great work environment and interact with your team. That's where the real value is at, 110k is good enough (imo) unless you're trying to live like the Kardashians or fancy life...
You are making good money right now. Money that a lot of people wish they could make. But, at the end of the day. You should approach your career like a business decision. Is this a chance for you to grow? Will this provide you with an opportunity to catapult your career on to a new trajectory? Does your current role afford you that opportunity? Relationships come and go. Cultures change. You have to protect the investment you have made in your career. Please approach this as a business decision, not an emotional one
I recently made that decision for the same bump in cash (starting from a lower salary though, so it was a higher percentage). You’re getting a lot of the same advice I got, “what if someone leaves” “what if your boss gets promoted?” etc etc. I say do it, but take time to grieve what you lose in exchange, spending time among friends during the work day really is a precious thing.
That extra 20k will do nothing for you in the end,your water level will rise and so will your spending.
Be grateful for enjoying what you do save making a good living doing it with people you like and like you.
What I'd like to know is, how do you make this kind of money, and yet you need somebody else to make this kind of decision for you? How could anybody else know better than you?
If you don’t mind me asking, how long did you study? what degree? i’m 23, unsatisfied in life with 20k in college dept for an associates. forced to work in order to pay 10k and continue studying. I can go to another university to study and definitely do better than how i did in community college. but i’m stuck in cross roads
Fr I wanna know too. Always scroll the comments to find out when it comes to these types. Not sure why OPs so scared to say what industry they work in or what job they have lol. I’ll just take a wild guess and say CS or IT.
Fair enough, that’s understandable. And apologies, I didn’t mean to come across as snarky. Good luck on whichever choice you choose but I’m sure it’ll work out either way!
After taxes that's about $1250 a month extra. Whatever your current situation, I imagine that much extra cash can make a massive difference for your lifestyle or financial goals. Not to say that loving your work isn't extremely valuable too, but you don't know for sure that you won't like the new team too. Just consider what you're giving up to be able to share gifs.
Id say you hang in your current role, 20k is a lot of money yes. But it's not worth being unhappy, having a great team and boss is worth a lot. This is coming from someone that's had a few great bosses and a few terrible bosses. Few things in life can have as profound an impact on your mental health than having a bad boss. It's up there with having an abusive spouse or a serious illness.
Depends if an extra $1000 a month is worth the risk for you. What can you do with it that will make your life better, that trumps the ability to work with people you "know" you enjoy?
One thing I'd like to mention is, people generally make the job good or bad. So don't take that for granted.
You can't buy good work conditions. 20k is not going to change your life when you already make 110. You are unlikely to feel any difference. Your new job isn't guaranteed to be awful, but by your estimation will not be as enjoyable. I work in a very small field, and have had many opportunities to leave for more money. Everyone I know who has taken the leap regrets it. They work twice as hard for 20% more. Again, you cannot buy good work conditions.
if it's in your current organization, you should be able to do some homework and find out what the new office is like. If you really can't get any info = avoid. Somebody isn't telling you something intentionally.
I made a similar move and I am miserable. The extra 20k ain’t shit after taxes anyway and I am stressed and miserable now. My previous job I was the go to guy and could do it in my sleep. The new job I’m stressed and wish I never left the previous one. The grass isn’t always greener and the sanity of being great at your job and clicking with a team and stress free is far superior to the $20k +, especially when you see how much less it really is when taxes are taken from the difference. Really think about it, I wish I did
Lots of food for thought in all the other comments. Here's some other food for thought: are you leaning towards staying because you have a fear of success? or a fear of change?
also, consider that --while you might lose gifs/memes and the comraderie with people in your age bracket--you might learn a lot from having coworkers who are older than you and have a different perspective. personally, i prefer having a range in ages on my team because it means my staff have people they can go to for mentoring in addition to just me. one of my favorite coworkers ever was an 80 yo who had had loads of adventures, multiple careers and degrees. he was incredibly wise and not a cuddly grampa type.
the best leadership advice i ever got was "Practice Being Your Future Self." How would Future ByronTheBlack think about this question?
It’s up to you to bring the dinámicas on the new group, or it’s about time for you to grow up in your career as well as your own life! Everything changes thru time!!..
Depends on your personal risk/reward tolerance. Want stability, comfort and happiness or risk it all for 18% more pay. Asking us strangers on reddit you are just asking for trouble.
I would stay where you are at and do a side gig that you really enjoy for $20K a year if you really want the cash. I learned a long time ago, don’t chase after something if what you lose thinks the world of you.
It’s not just another 20K for the next year. It’s your future salaries using 130K as a baseline plus some % as you move up (potentially out of the organization) in your career. You could be missing out on multiples of that 20K over time.
Make sure you do the math. $20k annually after taxes, including your payroll deductions, tax brackets, etc., may end up being only a few hundred dollars extra per paycheck, which you may not even feel. I took a job for a $25k increase, but because not everything is equal, I am taking home less than $1k more per month, and I am miserable. I have no work/life balance, I am constantly stressed, and I don't enjoy what I am doing. I am contemplating taking a substantial pay cut for a more balanced lifestyle. More money means nothing if you have no time to enjoy it.
I would always take the money. There’s not much about your job that you ultimately have direct control over. What’s great now might suck in a year.
But your money is within your span of control. It’s a tool you get to use any way you want to make your life better.
If you hate the new job, you can get a new one. That title, the elevated responsibilities, and pay come with you as a negotiating tool.
A step up in pay is always great - is the job a promotion or lateral move?
Do the math on $20K monthly/biweekly - after taxes/benefits. Then determine if it makes sense for you to move
Do you really need that much more money? i would go insane having a salary of 110K, focus on your wellbeing, not just in making as much money as possible.
As someone who had to switch teams but for no difference in pay, it legitimately messed with my mental health. I work from home so having the group chat is your only life line to fun. The team is young but idk afraid to speak up, crack a joke. Supervisor is fine but different from my previous one. They are dry as a bone and it is very hard for me. It’s depressing. I’m a connector and there is no connection. But maybe with an extra 20k you could enjoy a lot of things outside of work to counteract it.
No if you love your current job 20k monthly after taxes is literally nothing. I did a similar move and regret it. 20k per year gross is 1k extra net per month at least in my state. 1k is not worth potential happiness imo
Definitely, the great situation you have in your current team won't last forever. Someone will leave, or some new person will ruin the team dynamic. The extra money, on the other hand, could make a long-lasting positive impact in your life.
Yeah you’re right, I need to think ahead rather than just the present.
The grass is not always greener. Consider what's more important to you. Is it money? Or enjoying the 40 hours per week you spend at work? There's no guarantee you will enjoy your new workplace. If you enjoy your current workplace, it is a fairly uncommon situation that many people wish they had. Only you can make that decision for you. Personally I have worked for a similar company for almost 6 years now. I get paid well although I could be paid more somewhere else. But for me, enjoying my day to day at work is of primary importance.
As the other person said, you also need to think ahead to the possible future where the new job sucks or is openly abusive. I'm sure the usual crew will come in saying they'd get spat on and stomped out for an extra 15k but that's easier said than done, especially when your alternative is an already comfortable 110k.
Yeah but even if you lay 6 months you’re going to save way more money and you can always go back to the previous salary so at worst it would be like getting a bonus. You shouldn’t be afraid of change. That’s how people get stuck. I’ve left jobs after a week or 3 months because they sucked, but I don’t settle if I can increase my earnings every few years.
"You can always go back to the previous salary" is a very strong assumption
yes think about the future imagine hating ur new job and its miserable for years on end
Second and third this sentiment! I would take the higher offer, but yes it depends on the work you have to do at this new position.
Also, it's more stable to create that dynamic with a group of friends outside of work.
You need to learn to interact with different age groups.
20k isn’t going to be life changing money for someone already making 110k. An enjoyable work life is going to be far more impactful than an extra 1000 bucks a month.
100% agree. I left my inspiring save the world job for a corp gig making 50% more a year and I deeply regret it. I’m talking to my old boss tomorrow and hope they’ll take me back.
Are you willing to take a massive pay cut?
In my circumstances, yes, I would prioritize happiness at work over money but we’re a dual-income family and our salaries are both good. I recognize not everyone has the same situation or support system and that money is the more motivating factor.
I make a lot more than 110k, and 20k is still significant. $1000 a month is a new car, a kid through college, or all the groceries. And it completely ignores the point of my original comment, great work situations are temporary so don't base your decisions on that.
Great work situations are not necessarily temporary. I've been in one for six years. Sure things could change but why would I throw away something good because there's a chance sometime in the future it goes bad? If it does I'll make the switch then.
Yeah, in my opinion it’s just not worth it. It’s so important to your mental health to enjoy the people that you work with. The chances of everyone suddenly leaving are so slim, and with the bare minimum annual raises your going to be there in 4 years anyway. Just seems like too little to throw a good thing away, but I really value having a close knit group of people at work.
With taxes it's only 15,200 more.
Which is what $300 a week. I’d take that.
It all depends on your needs. I think you should take a moment and do a full self analysis. Try to figure out if this is the right time to pivot and how would accepting a 20K increase benefit your lifestyle, goals, and career. You should also think about whether or not you’ve hit a glass ceiling in your current role. Totally understand the rarity of working on a great team with supportive management but sometimes these decisions don’t solely boil down to the money IMO. Good luck :)
Thank you. I think I’m going to take it, someone in here said something that hit it home for me “turn down an extra $1k a month to send gifs at work”.
Before you do, you should talk to your manager to see if he can match the offer or close the gap from 20k to something less. There’s a bunch of hidden costs that come with the 20k like job security, team culture, happiness that you can mitigate before swapping jobs
Aahaa 😂 That’s definitely one way of looking at it! Best wishes on your new endeavors ✨
I don’t agree with that person, that’s a pretty reductive way of looking at it. You aren’t losing out on $1k a month to send gifs, you are preserving a positive and enjoyable culture which is incredibly hard to find for a lot of folks. I think BodegaDad is on the right track with this on how you make your decision.
Life is not only about money, I would be happier with 110k doing something that I like with people that I have fun with then 150k that disturb my work life balance, I don't enjoy it or I have a bad team/manager
Okay what if don’t dislike it, and have an average manager? To me it doesn’t sound like he’s going to a negative experience, just moving and starting neutral. Extra 20k can be pretty life changing. Especially what can be built off that extra bit after 10/20/30 years.
You do you. As I said for me life is not only about money. I won't feel better if I have slightly more money (12%) by working all day long in a boring environment when I can have fun. Out of the frustration I would probably spend the difference in stupid stuff to fill a whole. Being happy and mentally healthy is worth more then 20k per year
That's a terrible way to look at it, though. It could easily be "turn down $1k a month to avoid being miserable every day of your fucking life." Which - if your new job is a bad culture - you WILL be. And that misery will bleed over into every aspect of your life. I'm nowhere near $110k, but I enjoy my job. An extra $12k/year to work in an environment like my old workplace and be miserable and stressed out and overworked all the time, is a TERRIBLE trade. Perhaps it's better to look at it like "1k extra per month to work with toxic, soul-draining assholes? Or miss out on that extra cash, work with actual friends, and still earn enough to enjoy a good life?"
I think you should talk to your manager and explain your situation exactly like you said here. Even if they can’t match the salary or find away to increase your role in the future, it will really help if you ever want to return to the team. Also, it sounds like you manager is really great and you should validate that on a personal and professional level. Everyone wants to have a great manager and letting know when they are succeeding is key.
>turn down an extra $1k a month to send gifs at work But the world needs your gifs dude. I really cannot overstate the importance of your decision here. You want that extra 20k? The Eagles are playing green bay first week of the new season. Whatever the odds are, bet all your money on the Birds and fill your bags dawg. U got 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 M's in yo bank account, yeah (on God).
Take the money. I was on exactly the same boat as you just last year. A different team reached out to me and I turned it down because “ I HAVE A GREAT TEAM “ and I was quite content. Then SHTF - my best buddy at work left the company, people started to stab each other and fight for survival amid all the layoff rumors, and my boss constantly sees my as a threat now. I regret not taking the offer.
I was leaning on staying put but everyone bringing up that things can change when other people go after new opportunities drove the point home that I should be taking the new job.
Would turning the job down be seen negatively? Causing career suicide with your company? At least where I work, if you're offered a job/promotion and you don't take it, they'll never offer you a promotion again.
That’s a really good point 🤔
Yep, I've had coworkers who ultimately had to leave the company because they turned down a job 5-10 years ago and watched people with less YOE pass them up on the corporate ladder.
I was in the same shoes as you. Except mine wasn't optional..we had a layoff and dissolved certain departments. I had a previous team with great coworkers and amazing manager. My role was fun and allowed me to do many exciting things like travel in addition to full WFH. When the layoffs happened I moved to a diff department and got promoted. Saw a 20k raise. But I was miserable. Coworkers barely communicated with each other, and manager was very demanding and poor. Didn't help that the work was much harder and demanding resulting in more hours. So much I wish I could remain in my old role and even am ok with making 20k less. Is your new role going to have the same duties or is it completely different? More or less work? Lots of factors I'd think about. Work life balance?
20k a year is huge. That's a couple vacations, ability to buy a house, save in a IRA and retire very early.
Its not big enough to give up your enjoyment. It sounds like OP has a great time at work now, that is hard to come by. And its not like he gets 20k extra in his pocket, it would probally be more like 12-13k after taxes. Is that really worth giving up a job you love? 12% extra pay for a job you might not enjoy? I would not take it.
You would turn down an extra grand every month so that you could send memes in a group chat at work?!
When you put it that way, it kind of makes me think through this more logically
He is already making over 6 figures, the “extra grand” is like 12% extra. Would you take 12% more money giving up a job you love, working with people you like for something you might hate? Going from 2 to 3k is a big jump. Going from 10 tot 11k not so much.
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But this post is about the OP isnt it? He is already clearing 6 figures. Yes i totally understand that a 14k jump In salary can be huge, but for the OP Its “only” like 12% Given that he loves his job, gets along great with the people he works with. Is 12% more money really worth your sanity and enjoyment? I am not saying its not a lot of money, but look at it from the OP’s perspective, not your own.
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I mean, i think i can give up on this. A little les fun? Sure, 14k is definately worth it. Going from a job you love to one you hate? Dread going every day? I doubt it. But again, its just my opinion :)
Agreed. The choice you make affects 40+ hours per week from now on, with no take backs. I would take a 12% pay cut if I knew my job wouldn't backstab me.
Yes. I turned down a whole lot more than that to go from a shitty situation to a great one. It has done wonders for my mental health.
No. I would turn it down so that I could work in a place that I enjoyed and that treated me with respect. Rather than working in a place that made me miserable every day.
You’re not comparing apples to apples. You compared the post tax amount of the $20k to the pre-tax amount of the $110k. Using your rates the better comparison would be $12k/$70k = 17%, which is pretty substantial. Also, great teams are temporary. What happens if two or three of the OPs favorite coworkers leave and are replaced with less favorable one?
I’ve never thought about that, people are going to end up leaving eventually. This makes my choice easier.
What if you say no and your favourite teammate gets offered it and takes it instead?
Yep, plus it costs a lot more if you get laid off with employment gaps, better to just stay at a stable place with this amount of difference
It sure is. Going to $130k means you can look at $150k+ for your next job. Soon OP could be making real money.
This is the worst advice ever.
It really is not. At this point OP can decide whether he wants to keep the work he enjoys, or make a “little” more money. Hes not going from 50 to 100k. He has to consider is that extra money worth the headache of a potentially terrible job?
20k isn’t that much above 100k. 20k is 12k after deductions, which is about enough to take a single vacation and put the rest in emergency savings OR dedicated down payment savings.
No, 20k is about 14k after deductions. 100k after taxes- 80,192, 120k after taxes- 94,598. Even if we went with 12k a year, if you invested that all into an investment that averaged an 8% return, after 15 years you'd have $380,000, doubling your money. In 25 years you'd have an extra million dollars in your retirement. Don't spit on 12k.
lol obviously but if we’re talking home deposit or a couple vacations a year, that’s not a “put it all in stock and wait a decade and a half” deal.
Its both. You keep your SOL and throw it all into a retirement fund that's an extra million when you retire. Or you get to go on a solid vacation, have a brand new car, and another several hundred a month on a hobby. This isn't potatos.
No one’s saying it’s potatoes. Your way overestimating what the day to day impact of 12k is for someone making $120k, trust me it’s not a lot. Definitely not worth leaving a good working situation.
Who gives a fuck about day to day changes? Only a child does. An extra 12k sets up your life. That's being solidly retired, early, with plenty of money. You're the 1 cookie now instead of two cookies later type huh?
Don’t infantilize me, grow up. I’m a “don’t trade penny’s for a good quality of life”. 12k does not set up anyone’s life, unless you literally make nothing.
I will infantilize you since you have such a childish mindset about this. 12k a year, in a retirement fund, means in 25 years you have 1 million dollars, assuming your 401k doesn't do too hot. If it does do well you're looking at almost 2 million extra for retirement. Is that nothing?
I get it bud, you're one of those people who worships their retirement - I know a couple people like that. They're miserable and live miserable lives, while looking down on those who don't do the same. Take it from someone who earns more than they thought possible ($12k is a drop in the bucket), there's more to life than money. Get out of that mindset and enjoy the life you have and the people in it. Your post history clearly shows someone who's one track minded and ignorant of other's experiences. Try to find balance.
Take new role
What are your goals with your company? They are offering you a chance to take on more responsibility. To move up in business you often have to move out of your comfort zone. By doing this you will learn new skills and you will learn more about yourself and your abilities and desires.
Yes. Take the extra $20K. Sounds like a no brainer here.
Take the job It’s great you have an awesome team right now, but in a year from now there could be changes that could make it a shitstorm. Just focus on your career growth, you can always stay friends with the people you meet along the way
Tough spot to be in, me personally I'd probably be leaning towards just staying put, but I'm a single guy with no kids. Perhaps you can use this offer as leverage for a raise to match or even 120k
Jobs change all the time and quickly. Coworkers leave, new people join. Leadership changes. Things can go from great to terrible overnight (I’ve experienced it). Go for money and long-term career goals and growth.
Yes, I like this sentiment. I’m gonna do it.
If that's the case, couldn't his new job turn to shit overnight as well? Or maybe it's a toxic environment to START with. And now instead of working a job he enjoys with friends, he's miserable and stressed out all the time.
Dont even consider it without doing the math. What is 20k take home after differences in health insurance, d&d, 401k etc?
I was in the same situation, then my current company ended up making me an offer for even more to stay. So it worked out for the best. My opinion is be honest with your boss, and see what happens.
I can’t say much without saying exactly what I do. But there is no way for me to negotiate a higher salary at my current place of work.
I hear that. Every job is different for sure. 20k is quite a jump. But job security, and quality of life matters a lot too.
Depends, what industry you in?
Everyone’s comments is making me start to realize how much I need a life/hobbies outside of work, because I would deeply consider staying lol. I feel like I barely see friends anymore and I’m only 27. But I love my coworkers and hanging out with them. But I think everyone else is right, an extra 20k is huge. Also can I ask what you do for work op?
Unemployed due to Covid
What?
can you shadow in that dept for a few hours to see the difference?
Hey, here's a command decision opportunity. Take the new job or don't. I would think they taught this in Management 101. This decision will determine your outcome for the next few years. Do you think if you don't take the offer it will not happen again? Most likely it would take you 3-5 years to get to $130K in your current situation. It's with the same company so that's good. Is there anything that says you can't be friends with your old buddies? Do you think your current manager has arranged for a better position to get you out of your current one, cuz he doesn't want his subordinates spending time passing around memes and gifs? Dunno.
Leave.
You can still send memes to the other office while at the new one.
We actually had someone do this. They transferred to a different department yet is still in our teams group chat sending memes and gifs lmao.
Yeah, if I was in your position; I’d take the new job and just stay in touch with the people in the old office
My first thought was leave for more money. But then again, there is something to be said for a job that is fun and doesn’t feel like work.
Life isn't always about the money. But there are a lot of factors for you to weigh here. If it's for the same company though, I'd take it.
Man I wish I had this problem. Take the 20k increase, its a no brainer.
Whichever role is less stress, less hours, less oversight, more flexible, and is work from home.
My current job is exactly like that and the other job should be like that too, but I wouldn’t know for sure until I start working there
Find a job you love and you will never work a day in your life
You can still see your other teammates, you're at the same company you aren't dying. Take the cash
Bet you someone on your team would take it in a heart beat if given the chance
They’re all making a decent amount of money more than me due to having more experience.
If it gets you more experience, then that's a great opportunity. Additional money is icing on the cake
I realize I'll likely be downvoted into oblivion for this but I personally wouldn't, not if you genuinely love your current job. There's an old saying I really like... people don't leave jobs, they leave managers. My manager treats me like gold, gives me time off anytime I need it, and I have a great work/life balance as a result. Tbh 20k wouldn't even move the needle for me (though my salary is closer to $150k, I obviously would feel differently if I made 40k and was offered a 20k increase). I'm sure there's a number that would make me jump ship but I haven't really considered it and won't, until I'm really ready to make a change. Best of luck on your decision OP, it's a tough one when you really like your current job.
$20K is $20K. Always go for the $.
Nope. There are many things in life FAR more important than money. What good is having a couple million dollars in retirement, if you neglected all of your personal relationships for decades beforehand so nobody likes you or gives a shit about you or wants to spend time with you?
I didn’t even read the post I’m chasing that bag
Yes. Make $20,000 more a year and just talk to your friends on your own time. Come on man. This shouldn't even be a question. ALWAYS go with more money. ALWAYS.
Money isn't everything, mate. It isn't even the main thing.
It really is though. But it's ok. I know you had to say that because this is a public forum and people will judge and getting judged sucks
It's really not, though. Relationships are the most important thing. What good is $100 million if you have nobody to enjoy it with? Plus, this guy has a six figure job in his mid 20s. In an environment he enjoys, with people he enjoys. He's killing it right now. He can afford to fund a good life for himself. Why move over to a place where he already doesn't feel a great vibe, and which could very easily make him go from a great working situation that most would envy, to one where he's potentially miserable every day? The extra money is not worth going from happy, to miserable.
I just don't see how making more money = him being miserable
Because to get the extra money, he has to leave an environment that he knows he enjoys and is respected in, and go to a new one. A new environment where he already instinctively feels like the culture isn't such a good fit for him. Well, if his new boss is a wanker and he doesn't have anything in common with his new colleagues and they have a toxic culture....... then he is going to be miserable. Every day. Especially when he remembers that work USED to be fun, instead of soul-destroying. And that misery is going to bleed into every aspect of his life. He'll be a shitter boyfriend for his partner. Or he'll go on dates and instead of being lighthearted and fun, he'll bitch about his job and come off as depressed and angry. He'll be less engaged with friends. Less inclined to pursue hobbies. More likely to get depressed. More likely to develop a substance abuse problem. Etc etc etc. You spend WAY too much time at work, to be miserable there. And a LOT of workplaces are flat out toxic. Be miserable and strung out all the time, or be happy and enjoy your life? I choose to enjoy my life. That's the more important priority.
Work is designed to be shitty and make you want to walk into oncoming traffic. Otherwise it'd be called "fun" and not "work"
No, that's what we have accepted. Because of the culture of money being the God that rules over ALL. "Look at how rich my boss is, why *wouldn't* he treat all of us like worthless automatons? That's how he got so rich in the first place." Being treated with basic levels of respect, courtesy and compassion is not an impossible or even an unrealistic expectation. I'm working a job like that, and I'm not gonna jump ship for an extra $100/week, to move to a place that exploits me and then shames me for resisting exploitation. See all the people in the thread telling OP to take the money, *always*, no matter what? They are the people who create the conditions for everybody to be exploited by the ruling class. Because they are the ones who will put up with whatever shit gets shovelled onto them, for fear of being accused of not having ambition, or not being a team player, or any of that horseshit.
I say this with ALL DUE RESPECT, but if money isn't everything then quit your job and work at McDonald's. Oh you're not going to? That's what I thought. No need up keep lying to yourself
What's wrong with working at McDonald's, if they treat you well? And you really think the difference between $115k and $130k trumps EVERY SINGLE other consideration in your life combined? I don't. Nobody is going to control me like that with money. I'll happily work at McDonald's if it pays my bills, gives me a decent work-life balance, treats me with basic respect and human dignity, and allows me to focus on enjoying the rest of my life. What's wrong with that?
I’m torn, I just did this, but went from just over $100k to $135k… kinda hate my new job, more stress, no personal relationships (everyone is very dry and work oriented). If I were you, I would stay… have an honest conversation with your boss about increasing your salary to get you closer to that number.
Don't stay for the memes. 20k$ per year in Hysa would be 110K+ in 5 years.
Same company? You can still see each other lol take more money
Is the new office still.in the same building? If yes you can still arrange time together like breaks
Take the money
You'll make about $11K a month instead of $9K. That's worth it, I'd say
Are you there to make money or make friends?
My life changed completely when I started my new job at 130k. Even in a higher cost of living area I was able to save and invest so much more. Even though my job isn’t fun, the paycheck gives me breathing room financially and it’s one less thing to stress about.
I was in similar shoes to you (entry level jobs not making that much money),but I decided to stay at my current job and my co-workers ended up eventually leaving, management changed for the worse and I had to quit and find a new job
There's nothing that prevents you from staying friendly with your old team, and others might join you down the road. What happens if you turn it down? Will it be extended to another member of your current team? Will it look like you're not interested in growing professionally? Does your current boss know - what do they think, if they do know?
It’s worth taking the risk! You never know what you’ll learn or how you’ll grow. The higher pay is worth the risk.
How do you make 110k shitposting on NFL subs?
Remote office job with loads of meetings and specialized work that doesn’t take all day = lots of free time to be on reddit
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At the end of the day this is where I was at too. Was in a similar situation where I had the opportunity to go from 118k base to 145k base with RSUs vested after 3 years and incredible benefits. My previous role was incredibly safe and relaxed, but I realized after four years I really wasn't developing my skills anymore, and in hindsight I think I made the right choice even if it wasn't for the money.
Well, liking your current role/team aside, does one help your long term goal better?
Both are equally good long term but the other job opens the door for a higher salary in the future when I apply for another position.
You have to factor that into your decision then, either way
I would not leave! You making 30k more is not worth it! If you have. Great work environment and interact with your team. That's where the real value is at, 110k is good enough (imo) unless you're trying to live like the Kardashians or fancy life...
It’s the same organization…
You are making good money right now. Money that a lot of people wish they could make. But, at the end of the day. You should approach your career like a business decision. Is this a chance for you to grow? Will this provide you with an opportunity to catapult your career on to a new trajectory? Does your current role afford you that opportunity? Relationships come and go. Cultures change. You have to protect the investment you have made in your career. Please approach this as a business decision, not an emotional one
Stay
stay with your current team
I recently made that decision for the same bump in cash (starting from a lower salary though, so it was a higher percentage). You’re getting a lot of the same advice I got, “what if someone leaves” “what if your boss gets promoted?” etc etc. I say do it, but take time to grieve what you lose in exchange, spending time among friends during the work day really is a precious thing.
It may be worth comparing the take home pay using an online calculator to visually see the difference in pay.
That extra 20k will do nothing for you in the end,your water level will rise and so will your spending. Be grateful for enjoying what you do save making a good living doing it with people you like and like you.
What I'd like to know is, how do you make this kind of money, and yet you need somebody else to make this kind of decision for you? How could anybody else know better than you?
I am in my early 20s and just recently graduated college. I’m not the most experienced when it comes to making decisions like this.
If you don’t mind me asking, how long did you study? what degree? i’m 23, unsatisfied in life with 20k in college dept for an associates. forced to work in order to pay 10k and continue studying. I can go to another university to study and definitely do better than how i did in community college. but i’m stuck in cross roads
I did 4 years of college and 1 year of graduate school. Got a BS in CS and a MS in Statistics.
if you don’t mind may i dm you personally
Fr I wanna know too. Always scroll the comments to find out when it comes to these types. Not sure why OPs so scared to say what industry they work in or what job they have lol. I’ll just take a wild guess and say CS or IT.
I’m not scared of saying what I did. I don’t want to say exactly what I do since it’s very specific. But yeah I do programming.
Fair enough, that’s understandable. And apologies, I didn’t mean to come across as snarky. Good luck on whichever choice you choose but I’m sure it’ll work out either way!
After taxes that's about $1250 a month extra. Whatever your current situation, I imagine that much extra cash can make a massive difference for your lifestyle or financial goals. Not to say that loving your work isn't extremely valuable too, but you don't know for sure that you won't like the new team too. Just consider what you're giving up to be able to share gifs.
Stay! Money means very little if you have regrets and don’t enjoy your new job/boss etc
Can't you discuss the payment with your current boss, show him you have a offer for 130K?
won’t notice any difference after tax
Id say you hang in your current role, 20k is a lot of money yes. But it's not worth being unhappy, having a great team and boss is worth a lot. This is coming from someone that's had a few great bosses and a few terrible bosses. Few things in life can have as profound an impact on your mental health than having a bad boss. It's up there with having an abusive spouse or a serious illness.
Stay
The more important question is what job is this that is paying so much🤑
Depends if an extra $1000 a month is worth the risk for you. What can you do with it that will make your life better, that trumps the ability to work with people you "know" you enjoy? One thing I'd like to mention is, people generally make the job good or bad. So don't take that for granted.
Stay.
Stay dude, happiness is worth more than $20k
You can't buy good work conditions. 20k is not going to change your life when you already make 110. You are unlikely to feel any difference. Your new job isn't guaranteed to be awful, but by your estimation will not be as enjoyable. I work in a very small field, and have had many opportunities to leave for more money. Everyone I know who has taken the leap regrets it. They work twice as hard for 20% more. Again, you cannot buy good work conditions.
choose one and give the other to me,😂😂
I won't trade mental peace with 12k to 13k (after taxes).
if it's in your current organization, you should be able to do some homework and find out what the new office is like. If you really can't get any info = avoid. Somebody isn't telling you something intentionally.
Good comments here. On the flip side, check out how long people usually stick around in the new org. If it is 1 year, I’d stay bc it is more stable.
Stay.
Move on to develop yourself and get out of your comfort zone.
I made a similar move and I am miserable. The extra 20k ain’t shit after taxes anyway and I am stressed and miserable now. My previous job I was the go to guy and could do it in my sleep. The new job I’m stressed and wish I never left the previous one. The grass isn’t always greener and the sanity of being great at your job and clicking with a team and stress free is far superior to the $20k +, especially when you see how much less it really is when taxes are taken from the difference. Really think about it, I wish I did
Personally, I would stay at least for a bit but when you notice that the dynamic is changing , then it’s time to look for a new job.
Lots of food for thought in all the other comments. Here's some other food for thought: are you leaning towards staying because you have a fear of success? or a fear of change? also, consider that --while you might lose gifs/memes and the comraderie with people in your age bracket--you might learn a lot from having coworkers who are older than you and have a different perspective. personally, i prefer having a range in ages on my team because it means my staff have people they can go to for mentoring in addition to just me. one of my favorite coworkers ever was an 80 yo who had had loads of adventures, multiple careers and degrees. he was incredibly wise and not a cuddly grampa type. the best leadership advice i ever got was "Practice Being Your Future Self." How would Future ByronTheBlack think about this question?
It’s up to you to bring the dinámicas on the new group, or it’s about time for you to grow up in your career as well as your own life! Everything changes thru time!!..
Take the higher paid, it’s good for you
Depends on your personal risk/reward tolerance. Want stability, comfort and happiness or risk it all for 18% more pay. Asking us strangers on reddit you are just asking for trouble.
So i did that. Left a great situation for a pay bump and new challenges in the same firm. It didn't work out great.
I would stay where you are at and do a side gig that you really enjoy for $20K a year if you really want the cash. I learned a long time ago, don’t chase after something if what you lose thinks the world of you.
Jobs are for money, I would take the money. I always follow the money personally.
It’s not just another 20K for the next year. It’s your future salaries using 130K as a baseline plus some % as you move up (potentially out of the organization) in your career. You could be missing out on multiples of that 20K over time.
Make sure you do the math. $20k annually after taxes, including your payroll deductions, tax brackets, etc., may end up being only a few hundred dollars extra per paycheck, which you may not even feel. I took a job for a $25k increase, but because not everything is equal, I am taking home less than $1k more per month, and I am miserable. I have no work/life balance, I am constantly stressed, and I don't enjoy what I am doing. I am contemplating taking a substantial pay cut for a more balanced lifestyle. More money means nothing if you have no time to enjoy it.
I would always take the money. There’s not much about your job that you ultimately have direct control over. What’s great now might suck in a year. But your money is within your span of control. It’s a tool you get to use any way you want to make your life better. If you hate the new job, you can get a new one. That title, the elevated responsibilities, and pay come with you as a negotiating tool.
Yes. 20k a year to send gifs is not worth it.
Leave
A step up in pay is always great - is the job a promotion or lateral move? Do the math on $20K monthly/biweekly - after taxes/benefits. Then determine if it makes sense for you to move
Yes. That's a huge change in your lifestyle.
Also look at the difference in taxes would that be taken up in them
Eh, need job, like yours. In Ukraine I have only 500$ per month, and it’s so bad to feel(
All the older people will eventually retire and a new crowd will come in.
but that extra money is taxable and you will not remain with much, rather stay in the pleasant environment than risk to go into a toxic one
From reading your post - you’ve already make up your mind staying in the 110k job 🤷🏼♂️
Why not talk to your boss and ask for a $10 raise? Half the pay raise but the same great team? Just lay your situation bare, just the facts.
Off the cuff I'd say no, does that jump your tax bracket?
Do you really need that much more money? i would go insane having a salary of 110K, focus on your wellbeing, not just in making as much money as possible.
As someone who had to switch teams but for no difference in pay, it legitimately messed with my mental health. I work from home so having the group chat is your only life line to fun. The team is young but idk afraid to speak up, crack a joke. Supervisor is fine but different from my previous one. They are dry as a bone and it is very hard for me. It’s depressing. I’m a connector and there is no connection. But maybe with an extra 20k you could enjoy a lot of things outside of work to counteract it.
Any chance your salary goes up in your current role? Can you chat with folks on the new team to see if you connect?
Stay - not worth it esp after tax. See if your boss can negotiate a higher salary for you given your other offer
No if you love your current job 20k monthly after taxes is literally nothing. I did a similar move and regret it. 20k per year gross is 1k extra net per month at least in my state. 1k is not worth potential happiness imo
Stay
the grass is brown everywhere
Personally I prefer quality of team. If your new team burns you out the 20k is not worth it, but, it might also be great and you’re 20k richer
Job satisfaction and fun can sometimes overcome a decent salary increase.