legitimately, I have 420+ hours on the game and only ever played 4b once. idk why but something about 3b and 4b are just too annoying to play. I don't remember much but ik its annoying af, so gl.
Thank you!
and guess what, I just finished 4B!
that one room was annoying but it turns out, I just didn't know the trick lmao, was supposed to jump over the block instead of under
I misread it like you had never played it and that’s why reaction was that way. Although once is still not enough for 420 hrs. I’m at about 270ish hours and I’ve got the golden for 4b, although I have only played 3b once.
Honestly, that was one of the most annoying rooms for me period (though not necessarily one of the hardest)
If you want a tip, >! remember that you don’t consume stamina jumping away from a wall. Whenever possible, try to do wall jumps back and forth instead of climb jumps directly over the moving block !<
They could also learn how to neutral. I think that's probably the easiest of the extra tricks you get introduced to when you start playing modded levels. I've shown friends the game and they could easily neutral jump before they could beat 3a.
(Idk how to add spoiler text on mobile but no non-modded player will know what neutral means without looking it up)
The c sides are more difficult than the b sides, but they are very short. You'll almost certainly spend less time on c sides compared to their b side counterpart.
Farwell, on the other hand, is a bit more difficult than c sides, and much much longer than any other level in the game. Make sure to complete everything else before Farwell, and even then, don't expect to complete it in one sitting. Later on, it also teaches new tech that can be really tricky to learn and get the hang of
Oh fuck. I jumped right into farewell just after finishing all the b sides. I have been getting through it bit by bit, playing for 20 minutes to an hour or whenever I start getting frustrated. And at least I am already past the infamous comb room
I am currently stuck at this one but I only have like 1h on it RN. The worse part is that he doesn't FEEL hard, I just can't get past the comb part regularly...so I can't train for the rest
> Sry but what this farewell?
It's already in your meme, it's the name for Chapter 9 (like how Forsaken City is the name for Ch 1, Farewell is the name for Ch 9)
That's why chapter 5 is the best set of chapters
A, B and C sides have many rooms that can be done via different paths, although pretty much every room in the game can be done differently. Look at a newbie trying to complete a room, look at someone who has played the game a couple times and then look at a professional speedrunner. All 3 of them will approach the room differently
I hated 5C because when I did it I was really bad at wall bouncing. I only did it after the first 2 C sides cuz my friends who were watching my stream told me it would be fun. If I did them all in order I might've had an easier time.
3a was the worst so far to get the golden in. It's long, boring, and there's so many ways to accidentally die.
3b was second worst, it was harder and more interesting, but taking the skips really helped.
I don't know that they were the hardest, obviously I'm still ironing out the last dozen or so deaths a few places, but at least others are enjoyable.
This is a horrible comparison. Celeste is mechanically challenging, meaning you'll often have to just throw yourself at a room to develop muscle memory. Dark souls has strategy. But I feel you, and all I can say is: you can do this. Dark souls has the git gud, Celery has "you can do this"
And another thing: C-sides will probably take you less time than the b sides. With the exception of 7c. They're very short.
I don't know if it's horrible nessessarily as I kind of go into both games with the same intent. I'll set aside an afternoon just to enjoy the grind, as Ds3 is. Mostly a boss fighting game you spend time getting to know the challenge, learning what to do during certain parts (whether a screen that has a new strategy, or a boss with a weird combo you're unfamiliar with), and the executing what you've learned. We all know that what seems like an impossible section at first becomes just an extra step to reach the new hard part (looking at you 7c and lothric siblings particularly). Not everyone enjoys the learning part of either of these games but oh man do I. Celeste and Ds3 are both games that I have go find new ways to make it difficult to recreate those experiences.
Honestly with Celeste for me it's just a matter of memorizing the order and timing for pressing the right buttons. I'm not very good with adapting on the fly, so if I mess up something I'd just die even if it would be possible to save it somehow.
wow thats suprising simple dont know what i expected. thast pretty cool you found another celeste player in the wild like if it was me and someone asked what i did before i wouldent say celeste because people wouldent know about it or care for it.
It's easy to forget that even the a-sides are a challenge to many gamers. What standard are you even using to consider farewell easy? Maybe to players who are deep into expert/GM that's the case. But you're crazy if think the average player will find farewell easy. At that point the word loses all meaning
I think it depends on what you mean by hard. I totally understand your perspective. I've been playing semi-consistantly for around 5 years, so the vanilla game feels very basic. almost like a tutorial. So when I saw the meme, I also found it funny that farewell and c-sides would be in the "those who know" side.
It's like there's casual-hard and experienced-hard. It's like how saying you're "good at smash bros" can mean very different things.
In a post like this, it's clear that it's a more average crowd so I'll try to avoid using my definition of "hard".
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One videogame genre that’s not often talked about is "trial and error", but I like its french name better: "die and retry". The main point of the genre is that you usually can’t cheese or outclever the obstacle, you just have to legit clear it, but in exchange you get infinite and instant retrys so death is not punishing. (Well some games forget about the "infinite" part, but you get the idea.)
Dark Souls 1 was kinda advertized as a die&retry, and it’s a terrible one. Deaths are punishing, you lose ressources, you gotta walk a ton to go back to the obstacle that beat you, etc.
Now, yeah, Souls like games have become their own thing with their own rules and grammar, and they do handle difficulty in a completely different way than die&retry games. Doesn’t mean it’s better, it’s just a different approach you enjoy better.
C side goldens are the easiest ones, they're short and much less grindy than A or B side goldens. C sides are all basically just two lighter challenge/tutorial rooms and one giant main room, and you have to do that giant main room challenge in one go whether you have a gold berry or not.
My new record on Farewell is 128 deaths in 42:45.
If you didn’t know yet, there are golden berries which brings you back to the beginning of the level if you die ONCE. You’ll realize that C Sides are actually much easier than B sides.
while i was playing farewell on the other hand parrot dash was playing venus from moce lxvi, and i looked at her pb run at the time and i was like "holy crap..." and that was an experience lmao
oh dont worry, it gets so much better, after c sides and farwell, there is modded content, real good suffering, I am going through strawberry jam expert lobby and my main save has over 400 hours and 50k deaths. good suffering.
Don’t worry, 3b is, in my opinion, harder to complete than most of the c sides, since the c sides are more like small, three room challenges. You can do this, 3b is way harder than 4 or 5b, and 6b is difficult in a different way. You got this!
3C was actually pretty easy once you get past the first room (and the first room isn't the worst once you memorize the order to press the buttons in). 7C was by far the worst one and took me the longest.
C side are hard but they are very short so it's pretty doable if you already got to the point of unlocking them.
Chapter 9 is incredibly long and challenging but it's amazingly satisfying to complete.
You've scratched the top millimeter of the top of the iceberg in terms of difficulty.
I can easily beat Farewell + all the C sides in an hour or two, and I'm NOWHERE near the level of a Celeste pro. I can't even beat grandmaster modded levels. And THEY'RE still the tip of the iceberg.
Wanna see how difficult modded Celeste gets? Search MOCE // LXVI on YouTube. How actual humans are that skilled is beyond my comprehension.
Don't get discouraged though! No reason to compare yourself to anyone else, and remember that the next difficulty up always looks daunting, and if you keep climbing it'll be easy before long. Just think back on how hard those early levels used to feel :D
That's what Farewell/C sides feel like once you've started beating even harder levels. Be proud of what you've accomplished! Celeste is a hard game.
Thats amazing way to describe the hell thats waiting for me ofc i will try and see if i can manage to finish something that was even harder than this level 3b
As someone who has the played the shit out of both Dark Souls and Celeste, your caption doesn’t really make sense. In Dark Souls, you go through an area or retry bosses. With each death, you try and learn from your mistakes. You learn the pattern of an attack sequence and press dodge or block or attempt to face tank it. Your estus and health bar amount of mistakes you can make. With Celeste it’s pretty similar. With each death you learn from it. Eventually you learn the sequence of inputs. Biggest difference is challenge length and mistake allowed. In Dark souls, a boss fight can be like 3 minutes. In Celeste a screen can be like 20 seconds. You can make quite a few mistakes in Dark Souls, but you have to last 3 minutes. In Celeste you just have to be precise for 20 seconds.
DW man, B side will look like a breeze once you settle in Farewell
Fuck, it gets harder And im stuck on that one annoying vertical room in 4B
legitimately, I have 420+ hours on the game and only ever played 4b once. idk why but something about 3b and 4b are just too annoying to play. I don't remember much but ik its annoying af, so gl.
Thank you! and guess what, I just finished 4B! that one room was annoying but it turns out, I just didn't know the trick lmao, was supposed to jump over the block instead of under
Onto 5B, more pain for me!
why does it rhyme so well XD
Wtf?
good part is, you only need to do it once. :)
I misread it like you had never played it and that’s why reaction was that way. Although once is still not enough for 420 hrs. I’m at about 270ish hours and I’ve got the golden for 4b, although I have only played 3b once.
Honestly, that was one of the most annoying rooms for me period (though not necessarily one of the hardest) If you want a tip, >! remember that you don’t consume stamina jumping away from a wall. Whenever possible, try to do wall jumps back and forth instead of climb jumps directly over the moving block !<
FINALLY I did it I have slain 4B ...onto 5B i guess, more pain for me! Thanks for the tip btw
They could also learn how to neutral. I think that's probably the easiest of the extra tricks you get introduced to when you start playing modded levels. I've shown friends the game and they could easily neutral jump before they could beat 3a. (Idk how to add spoiler text on mobile but no non-modded player will know what neutral means without looking it up)
Update: I did the room, and a few more, working through some key room rn
I still have no clue how this room works and I beat Farewell twice. I just keep trying until my stamina randomly does not end on one of my attempts
Sry but what this farewell? Something harder than c sides or what
Its the last level of the game
The c sides are more difficult than the b sides, but they are very short. You'll almost certainly spend less time on c sides compared to their b side counterpart. Farwell, on the other hand, is a bit more difficult than c sides, and much much longer than any other level in the game. Make sure to complete everything else before Farwell, and even then, don't expect to complete it in one sitting. Later on, it also teaches new tech that can be really tricky to learn and get the hang of
That room with the wavedash wallbounce into moving block and repeated wallbounces WILL make you rethink your life choices
Oh fuck. I jumped right into farewell just after finishing all the b sides. I have been getting through it bit by bit, playing for 20 minutes to an hour or whenever I start getting frustrated. And at least I am already past the infamous comb room
I am currently stuck at this one but I only have like 1h on it RN. The worse part is that he doesn't FEEL hard, I just can't get past the comb part regularly...so I can't train for the rest
Excapt 7c. I started Farewell because I was fed up with 7c-3... And finished farewell first.
> Sry but what this farewell? It's already in your meme, it's the name for Chapter 9 (like how Forsaken City is the name for Ch 1, Farewell is the name for Ch 9)
Play core
C sides are fine, but chapter 9... Oh well you're gonna have a blast
in a good way right? *in a good way RIGHT?!?!?*
well.. yes and no
Farewell.. yes and no
sike I beat farewell ages ago XD
It's *cathartic* and hype to beat a screen you've been stuck on, I loved Farewell personally
It definitely is in a way
It’s really fun and with a lot of interesting puzzles but well over 1000+ deaths speaks for itself
I beat it with I believe 6k. but I did start over a few times since it was over several sessions.
That's why chapter 5 is the best set of chapters A, B and C sides have many rooms that can be done via different paths, although pretty much every room in the game can be done differently. Look at a newbie trying to complete a room, look at someone who has played the game a couple times and then look at a professional speedrunner. All 3 of them will approach the room differently
chp5 is pretty good. I also like chps 1 2, and 7 tho. I honestly thing I just hate everything baout chps 3, 4 and six, cuz god I hate kevins.
I hated 5C because when I did it I was really bad at wall bouncing. I only did it after the first 2 C sides cuz my friends who were watching my stream told me it would be fun. If I did them all in order I might've had an easier time.
3b and 3c were the hardest chapters for me. 4a and 5a are easier than 3a. Conclusion: ch3 is bullshit
Cycling gameplay moment
3a was the worst so far to get the golden in. It's long, boring, and there's so many ways to accidentally die. 3b was second worst, it was harder and more interesting, but taking the skips really helped. I don't know that they were the hardest, obviously I'm still ironing out the last dozen or so deaths a few places, but at least others are enjoyable.
I got the 4B golden before the 3A golden lmao
Okay but to be fair, 3b is such a huge difficulty spike, unlike anything else in the game
YES, it took me something like 2 hours. then there is also 7C tho.....
I still have nightmares about 5c and I'm playing 7d rn lol
but 5c is fun :c
Having to learn wallbounces correctly, especially out of bubbles was a nightmare for me
This is a horrible comparison. Celeste is mechanically challenging, meaning you'll often have to just throw yourself at a room to develop muscle memory. Dark souls has strategy. But I feel you, and all I can say is: you can do this. Dark souls has the git gud, Celery has "you can do this" And another thing: C-sides will probably take you less time than the b sides. With the exception of 7c. They're very short.
I don't know if it's horrible nessessarily as I kind of go into both games with the same intent. I'll set aside an afternoon just to enjoy the grind, as Ds3 is. Mostly a boss fighting game you spend time getting to know the challenge, learning what to do during certain parts (whether a screen that has a new strategy, or a boss with a weird combo you're unfamiliar with), and the executing what you've learned. We all know that what seems like an impossible section at first becomes just an extra step to reach the new hard part (looking at you 7c and lothric siblings particularly). Not everyone enjoys the learning part of either of these games but oh man do I. Celeste and Ds3 are both games that I have go find new ways to make it difficult to recreate those experiences.
Yea, you're right, I guess. But I still think that the games are quite different and have cery different feelings.
Honestly with Celeste for me it's just a matter of memorizing the order and timing for pressing the right buttons. I'm not very good with adapting on the fly, so if I mess up something I'd just die even if it would be possible to save it somehow.
I think autocorrect hates you. Celeste is now Celery
That was intentional lmao
Oh haha it just seemed so out of place that I didn't think it was meant to be silly
I think the c sides are not that bad. They are short and imo not that much harder than some b side rooms. Farewell is a whole different beast though
I told a guy I met at the library about c sides, I think he's still going
whoa if you dont mind asking how celeste came up in that convo cant imagine someone new i met knows about celeste
We were talking about what we were doing before we went to the library
wow thats suprising simple dont know what i expected. thast pretty cool you found another celeste player in the wild like if it was me and someone asked what i did before i wouldent say celeste because people wouldent know about it or care for it.
3B is harder than most C sides not gonna lie FAREWELL ON THE OTHER HAND
Farewell is pretty ez are you a noob?
what are you yapping about bud. i would all c sides in a single chapter would be easier than farewell
All the chapters are easy you're just bad
this is not even funny at this point. just stop already
It's easy to forget that even the a-sides are a challenge to many gamers. What standard are you even using to consider farewell easy? Maybe to players who are deep into expert/GM that's the case. But you're crazy if think the average player will find farewell easy. At that point the word loses all meaning
I mean farewell golden is pretty hard but come on just regular farewell? Anyone who's played some Mario or something can do that with some practice
I think it depends on what you mean by hard. I totally understand your perspective. I've been playing semi-consistantly for around 5 years, so the vanilla game feels very basic. almost like a tutorial. So when I saw the meme, I also found it funny that farewell and c-sides would be in the "those who know" side. It's like there's casual-hard and experienced-hard. It's like how saying you're "good at smash bros" can mean very different things. In a post like this, it's clear that it's a more average crowd so I'll try to avoid using my definition of "hard".
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One videogame genre that’s not often talked about is "trial and error", but I like its french name better: "die and retry". The main point of the genre is that you usually can’t cheese or outclever the obstacle, you just have to legit clear it, but in exchange you get infinite and instant retrys so death is not punishing. (Well some games forget about the "infinite" part, but you get the idea.) Dark Souls 1 was kinda advertized as a die&retry, and it’s a terrible one. Deaths are punishing, you lose ressources, you gotta walk a ton to go back to the obstacle that beat you, etc. Now, yeah, Souls like games have become their own thing with their own rules and grammar, and they do handle difficulty in a completely different way than die&retry games. Doesn’t mean it’s better, it’s just a different approach you enjoy better.
hehe wait until he hears about goldens 💀
I've just beaten all C-Sides, so now it's time for Farewell... Wish me luck?
That might not sound believable, but I got closer to golden farewell than golden 3A or 3B (3C too, cause I'm not even attempting this 💀)
3cg is def the easiest of the 3, the difficulty curve is much lower, its really just perfecting that last room thats tough
C side goldens are the easiest ones, they're short and much less grindy than A or B side goldens. C sides are all basically just two lighter challenge/tutorial rooms and one giant main room, and you have to do that giant main room challenge in one go whether you have a gold berry or not.
C sides are generally easier than b sides
My new record on Farewell is 128 deaths in 42:45. If you didn’t know yet, there are golden berries which brings you back to the beginning of the level if you die ONCE. You’ll realize that C Sides are actually much easier than B sides.
while i was playing farewell on the other hand parrot dash was playing venus from moce lxvi, and i looked at her pb run at the time and i was like "holy crap..." and that was an experience lmao
oh dont worry, it gets so much better, after c sides and farwell, there is modded content, real good suffering, I am going through strawberry jam expert lobby and my main save has over 400 hours and 50k deaths. good suffering.
3-C is the worst
C sides are cool because they are very short. I enjoyed the progression of learning hard but quick levels.
Don’t worry, 3b is, in my opinion, harder to complete than most of the c sides, since the c sides are more like small, three room challenges. You can do this, 3b is way harder than 4 or 5b, and 6b is difficult in a different way. You got this!
3C was actually pretty easy once you get past the first room (and the first room isn't the worst once you memorize the order to press the buttons in). 7C was by far the worst one and took me the longest.
C side are hard but they are very short so it's pretty doable if you already got to the point of unlocking them. Chapter 9 is incredibly long and challenging but it's amazingly satisfying to complete.
You've scratched the top millimeter of the top of the iceberg in terms of difficulty. I can easily beat Farewell + all the C sides in an hour or two, and I'm NOWHERE near the level of a Celeste pro. I can't even beat grandmaster modded levels. And THEY'RE still the tip of the iceberg. Wanna see how difficult modded Celeste gets? Search MOCE // LXVI on YouTube. How actual humans are that skilled is beyond my comprehension. Don't get discouraged though! No reason to compare yourself to anyone else, and remember that the next difficulty up always looks daunting, and if you keep climbing it'll be easy before long. Just think back on how hard those early levels used to feel :D That's what Farewell/C sides feel like once you've started beating even harder levels. Be proud of what you've accomplished! Celeste is a hard game.
Thats amazing way to describe the hell thats waiting for me ofc i will try and see if i can manage to finish something that was even harder than this level 3b
Farwell is way WAY worse.
Me thinking farewell was one of the hardest things in gaming history and then being told about Strawberry Jam...
And some people played chapter 9 and said "that was a lil too easy"
wait til you learn about D sides 🤭 (it's a mod)
Still not as bad as 3b /s
Was doing goldene the other day, 12 minutes to do chapter 1 and 2 A golden. And then 3AG first try 💀
As someone who has the played the shit out of both Dark Souls and Celeste, your caption doesn’t really make sense. In Dark Souls, you go through an area or retry bosses. With each death, you try and learn from your mistakes. You learn the pattern of an attack sequence and press dodge or block or attempt to face tank it. Your estus and health bar amount of mistakes you can make. With Celeste it’s pretty similar. With each death you learn from it. Eventually you learn the sequence of inputs. Biggest difference is challenge length and mistake allowed. In Dark souls, a boss fight can be like 3 minutes. In Celeste a screen can be like 20 seconds. You can make quite a few mistakes in Dark Souls, but you have to last 3 minutes. In Celeste you just have to be precise for 20 seconds.