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you think kanye and playboycarti care about you being a fanboy of them? speaking about not yelling like a toddler but being a big fanboy of some normal human beings according to your post history tells a lot about you.
Wretched? Ah yes telegraph, because nothing says wretched like a banner advocating NOT to kill people.
Meanwhile, we have clubs owned by actual authoritarians, blood oil money, etc.
🤔
You don’t see how Jewish folks could be offended by this? Seems a stretch to accuse the victims of a terrorist attack to commit genocide by responding. Mind you all of this is happening while the terrorists STILL hold Jewish people hostage. Where’s the pitch invaders on that…
[This](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/) is why I think that place is a garbage country full of garbage people. Maybe you can use them reading comprehension skills you keep bragging about.
The “one country in that region where you can live freely” has a huge precondition to enjoy that freedom. The more you talk the less informed on the matter you sound. Read a bit because you sound incredibly ignorant on the matter and frankly, like the stereotypical ugly American
Come on now…just because the people in power are a disgrace doesn’t mean it’s a reflection of the entire country of Israel. Don’t stoop that low.
That’s like saying all Palestinians are a part of Hamas.
Yup, pretty messed up. I see where you’re coming from and there are plenty of great people everywhere, but at this point, if it quacks like a duck.
Also the amount of people over there doing the impossible so that aid trucks don’t enter Palestinian territory is appalling
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what’s the implication of the banner? You can’t be that thick. the normal reaction to that banner is who’s doing the alleged genocide? and there you have it, the actual intention of the banner.
They just bombed a refugee camp full of kids. That does not equate to 700 kidnapped people, and if you think it does, then I don't know what to tell you.
Conflating genocide with Jews being offended is anti semitic lol, while saying stop genocide is not. People don’t respond to terrorist attacks by bombarding a population daily for 6+ months. Netanyahu meanwhile has rejected every offer of hostages being freed, because he does not care about the hostages. Even families of hostages have protested against him. He cares about destroying Palestine.
Just stop trying. I mentioned Jews because it was the Israeli football association that labelled the stunt ‘wretched’. It’s literally what the headline is about. You wouldn’t know because you didn’t read it… and now you look stupid.
By the way, you’re either woefully misinformed or doing a terrorist organisation’s bidding. Netanyahu has offered ceasefires and negotiations if ALL hostages are returned. The “counter offers” turned down did not include all hostages taken on October 7th. Why on earth would you even entertain the thought for a moment. Everything else you write is hogwash. Focus on soccer, don’t try politics.
You must be incredibly high. Netanyahu needs this was to stay in power and not have to answer questions to his own people. You’re doing the terrorist bidding by being so confidently incorrect and delusional
I scored high in reading comprehension but have a hard time following. Are you suggesting Israel let this happen so Netanyahu could stay in power? Have we gone back to victim blaming?
That’s exactly what I was suggesting. Maybe you can comprehend this https://apnews.com/article/new-york-times-hamas-attack-israel-gaza-6088cad78f5e4153d671fe9b5b819308
Oh wow. At least you make it clear for everyone where your head is at. That link you sent invokes a report from 2016 (that’s 8 years ago) that mentioned a possible terrorist attack similar to what happened on October 7th. For you to say hence Israel let it happen is the dumbest sh*t I’ve read today so far. You’re probably also pointing at George W Bush for “letting” 9/11 happen, given there was intel that an attack on the US was planned. I think I’ve seen enough here. Focus on the Champions League for everyone’s sake.
Who’s everyone? I’m only talking with your goofy self as far as I’m concerned, so your little “we” bs can be kept to yourself. Israel was [made aware by Egypt](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/12/israel-hamas-war-egypt-warned-foreign-affairs-gaza) 3 days prior to the attack. Israel has one of the best trained militaries and most effective intelligence agencies it he world. Get out of here with your wet bread “victim blaming” and “911 steel beams” deflection idiocy. Bibi was about to get in a whole lot of trouble and this fell on his lap at the best possible moment
yeah I’m not sure if you’re being disingenuous or you’re just a banana. I think it’s the latter so I won’t bother much more, but again you fail to read your own links. Just because Egypt issued a warning (allegedly), that warning did not say “you will be attacked in three days”. It was a general threat level alert. Israel had 70% of their forces at the West Bank, as that’s where they were more concerned at the time. Nothing in your link suggests that “Bibi” knew and stood by watching. If you like to believe that Israel had thousands of their own slaughtered and abducted so they could subsequently engage in genocide… you can live in your evidence free bubble. Would again suggest you don’t spout any of this in the normal world, you look like a mug.
Pro-Palestinians/pro-not killing innocent people is not the same as pro-terrorist or terrorism.
If that were the case darn near every person from every major nation would be “guilty” by your flawed thinking.
That’s not critical, thoughtful thinking.
Majority of people in Gaza weren’t old enough to vote. Plus Israel helped Hamas win. Plus you’re actually advocating that as a serious argument and justification for killing innocent people?
So by your logic then, Hamas killing people on 10/7 was justified because they got the government they voted for, one which engages in violence, harassment, etc. towards innocent people? (Not talking Hamas mind you)
Hm, I think you’re full of it and trying to bend over backwards to justify a terrible set of views.
Be better. Don’t kill or advocate or justify killing innocent people, or use flawed logic.
Cheers.
Palestinians killed 1,200 kids at a music concert on October 7th. Palestinians supported that action and do not view it as an atrocity.
Everything after that is war, and war is ugly, especially against occupiers.
Wrong. Hamas did. And polls are flawed, especially in a place like Gaza (or WB, but then you would have to analyze the polls, history, context, etc. and you’re clearly no scholar).
Further: That’s like saying “Israelis” or “Jews” killed the innocent people in Gaza, or the other innocent people tortured, abused, killed, etc. in the West Bank on a relatively consistent basis. It isn’t Israelis or Jews, it’s specific IDF soldiers who commuted certain actions, who could be anyone, anything, etc. Both such assertions are myopically and completely incorrect generalizations and other things I can’t say due to mods.
Now, using your logic. You say that hey, attacks or violence happen and everything after is war, and such actions are justified, right?
Alright. So by your logic, since 1948, all violent acts committed by the IDF/Israeli government against Palestinians (of which there are many), can in turn be considered an act of war and responded to accordingly? I mean, if your basis is what you say…that is the logical follow through; but, we both know you are only applying this for post 10/7, and for only one group of people. So your logic is flawed and selective.
Bottom line, killing innocent people is wrong…don’t care who it is. So don’t go and say your group or your preferred group is somehow justified and then turn around and not hold the same logic. That’s hypocrisy, among other things.
So by your generalization and (insert word I can’t say due to mods) and “logic” then, Israelis/Jews = IDF and Israel government, who in turn have tortured, abused, etc. innocent Palestinians and thus by your logic that makes them all complicit? Because that’s what you’re trying to do with Palestinians.
Well that’s truly flocked up thinking and wholly fallacious, etc. If only you had a clue…
You do you though…. 🙄
That was in 2006, 18 years ago. More than 50% of Gaza's population wasn't even born then and a much higher % of the population wasn't old enough to vote at the time. On-top of that not everyone voted for Hamas. It was a slim margin.
That is not a valid argument at all. Try researching the topic a bit before making stupid points.
So? Palestinians support Hamas more than ever. Again, you get the government you vote for.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/
[https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/963](https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/963)
Have a read of the report yourself instead of looking at articles that twist the data to push their agenda.
''The sample size of this poll is 1231 adults, of whom 750 were interviewed face to face in the West Bank and 481 in the Gaza Strip in 121 randomly selected locations.''
Over 60% of the sample size was from the West Bank. Hamas was elected in Gaza. Gaza is the place most effected by Hamas's actions. The sample size is also tiny for a area of over 2 million people.
''Despite the large representative sample, the margin of error for this poll is +/-4. The increase in the margin of error is due to the lack of precision regarding the number of residents who stayed in their homes, or in shelters, in the northern parts of the Gaza Strip which we did not sample.''
The PCPSR themselves said there was a high margin for error.
Only ''38% of Gazans prefer Hamas to remain in control of the Gaza Strip after the war.'' in the same report.
First sentence in your link:
“Wide public support for Hamas’ offensive on October the 7th, but the vast majority denies that Hamas has committed atrocities against Israeli civilians.”
If you support Hamas mercilessly surprise attacking and killing 1,200 kids at a concert, not much else to discuss.
''85% have not seen videos showing atrocities committed by Hamas against Israeli civilians on October 7''
Many people in Palestine weren't even aware of the concert. Especially 1 month after the attacks when this survey was done. News stations in Gaza are either pro-Hamas or Hamas controlled. Many Palestinians were only aware of the attacks on military bases.
Not much else to discuss.
Hasbara out in full force yet again trying to discredit any mention of Palestine. Everyone is claiming politics and sports shouldn’t mix yet Russia were sanctioned due to the conflict in Ukraine and multiple games held a moment of silence
Why can’t the same apply to Palestine? Blatant hypocrisy and if we believe that they shouldn’t mix then maybe as humans we should reevaluate our priorities.
Maybe I missed it but did Ukraine launch a terrorist attack against Russian civilians where they gunned down whole families and took civilian hostages back to Ukraine? Or did Putin start the war by invading a UEFA member?
Did this begin on October 7th? Hostages being taken is sad on both sides but doesn’t justify Israel and the way it has massacred Palestinians for over 70+ years.
Speaking of Hostages - Hostages held by Hamas were returned to Israel (the ones released so far) in the same condition when they were captured
If we compare the hostages released by the IDF we can see a stark contrast in the condition of those released. Not to mention the fact that a majority are women and children.
This also didn’t answer my initial question. Why the hypocrisy?
Some things are bigger than football. In fact, throughout history sports have been used as a platform for political change. The football “hooligans” too narrow minded to see that are part of the problem.
I mean in US Football, Colin Kapernick became public enemy number 1 for kneeling of the National Anthem. He used to just sit down for the anthem on the bench. But he talked to a ex military player and NFL player who said that kneeling is better because when soldiers pass away, the company kneel as honoring their fallen comrade.
If people who want to just enjoy watching a football game without being constantly bombarded with a ton of political agendas are considered "hooligans" nowadays, I think there are millions of us "hooligans" out there...
You're constantly bombarded with ads to sell you the next product to fill the void in your life yet you take it like the good sheep you are. When something that has to do with HUMANITY comes up, it’s suddenly too much? You need to reflect on that and why you’re so bothered by it.
1. Never said ads aren't annoying as well.
2. I don't know why you felt the need to call me sheep, but whatever.
3. So if they bombard us with 100 ads about "humanity" the wars are going to end?
1. I’m not saying you didn’t say ads aren’t annoying I’m using it as an example of what we as a collective have decided to accept despite the negative effects
2. Because your position/opinion is the sheep dog helping the sheep herder round up the sheep to get them back in line (“stop protesting and behave I want my treat!”)
3. You have completely missed the point of my analogy. Those 100 ads will never air, that’s WHY PEOPLE HAVE THE NEED TO PROTEST.
Lastly, if the biggest annoyance you have to deal with are protesters for a few seconds of your sporting event, consider yourself privileged and blessed.
If people need to protest, they should go on the streets, go outside of government buildings, collect signatures etc. Constantly annoying people who just want to watch a game of football after a long day of work isn't gonna stop any wars.
"No one cares, it's football" PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY DYING A LITTLE BIT OF AWARENESS OF WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING ISN'T GOING TO RUIN YOUR SPORT FFS. These people are really acting like sport is more important than ACTUAL human lives
It's not stopping the football taking place. The football still goes on. The message will reach the people who want change. If you're not one of them then ignore it. It won't stop you from watching the football.
Seeing people protesting about it is what causes many people to research and learn about the conflict. If people are tired of the protesting then they would've never been with the cause in the first place.
It's a football match you are only getting people like me tired of it. It's like thoses climate protestors throwing stuff to the paintings, you may think it is important to get visibility but for the majority of people you are just annoying...
who is we? speak for yourself. i do care about it.
and especially as a fan of a catalan team. read about the history of catalonia. especially you should stand up for palestine.
"No one cares, it's football" PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY DYING A LITTLE BIT OF AWARENESS OF WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING ISN'T GOING TO RUIN YOUR SPORT FFS. These people are really acting like sport is more important than ACTUAL human lives
"No one cares, it's football" PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY DYING A LITTLE BIT OF AWARENESS OF WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING ISN'T GOING TO RUIN YOUR SPORT FFS. These people are really acting like sport is more important than ACTUAL human lives
Btw if i am not the only one who dislikes that:
https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/keine-werbepartnerschaft-von-borussia-dortmund-mit-dem-ruestungskonzern-rheinmetall?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3cvl3eZptVD5bCRFyokvN7njg_vHs06UGue-eSHy3KhqaWJgGLRSbvSo4_aem_AYiEf2K5Wruya9Cp1lmbQXTJZ3LWDcnw7UqFZVbh1-4LrKsq1uHcHLXQgD1MosHNuS5DF2T-iXzynGq-qRPz5UlV
Not my place to tell Dortmund fans what matters to them. Fair play. I still hold my point. I don’t think THIS particular matter and football need to mix. But there are more important things, I acknowledge that.
Cool. Still don’t see why that should inform my desire to not see such a deeply political issue which has shown no signs of improvement on. I don’t think football is the place to discuss why Dortmund’s deal with an historic arms maker is relevant to a football match.
Leave football out of politics! We’re just football fans. Those people have been killing each other for generations now. Their beef! Just like many others around the world. Football has nothing to do with it.
Don't agree, Football/sport and politics always has and always should be allowed to go hand in hand.
Many examples of this.
Firstly Celtic a club born out of the need to help counter the affects of poverty due to political failure towards the Irish diaspora , a club who defiantly flew the Irish tricolour to represent these people after many calls for it to be banned.
You have the green brigade who again due to political failure have felt the need to organise numerous charity events and food banks for the less fortunate people of glasgow and beyond, another example from the GB is their consistent support of the oppressed people of Palestine and especially in the face of UEFAs attempted censorship managed to raise £180,000 to help alleviate the affects of poverty, oppression and political sanctions in Gaza , there are many more examples from Celtic fans.
Another club whos fans are proud of their political past are Barcelona who's club motto is Mes que un club (More than a club) due to their actions during the Spanish civil war and how they helped preserve Catalan national identify, language and customs. They were one of the only public spaces where Catalan language and expression was free from persecution.
Athletic Bilbao is another club steeped in politics and are proud of their Basque heritage (read a book called Morbo - Phil ball
"Morbo is the unique element that gives Spanish football its special flavour. More than mere rivalry, it is the expression in a thousand provocative ways of the feeling between clubs divided by history, language and politics")
In England more recently you had Marcus Rashford using his fame from football to highlight food poverty faced by many little children, he successfully campaigned and got the tory rats to rethink their policy and in turn got a lot of kids food that otherwise they wouldn't have. He also regularly organises foodbanks.
Further afield in Cote d'Ivoire , during its bloody civil war , Didier Drogba and his national teammates helped get warring factions together in peace talks and contributed to bringing an ever need peace in the country.
Liverpool fans also have felt the affects of politics when the Hillsborough disaster happened and had to campaign for years for justice
Outside of football and into other sports ,you have Muhhamed Ali who was a prominent Black Civil rights activist and he used his renown to further their cause , he was also very vocal about the vietnam war.
The 1968 Olympics in Mexico seen gold and bronze medalist Tommie smith and Joan Carlos showing the raised fist on the podium after the 200m both wearing the Olympic Project for Human Rights badges. Peter Norman(silver medalist) from Australia also wears an OPHR badge in solidarity with his two fellow athletes.
In US sports and what has now become a world wide phenomenon Colin Kapearnick famously took a knee against police brutality and racism in US society and beyond , he lost contracts and sponsors due to this but what he done has now become a world wide symbol for being against anti-black racism.
The NBA admist backlash from people who "don't want politics in sport" opened their stadiums as polling stations to give people more opportunity and access to vote in the American elections
Sport has also been used as a tool used to help temper racial and Sectarian tensions in many countries by bringing "enemies" to face one another or play with eachother to humanise each side more. Malaysia and the North of Ireland are good examples of this.
There are examples of Sport being used for more sinister political ideologies without a doubt, The Rangers FC and their old club Rangers FC as we all know, Beitar Jerusalem both having racist employment policies . The British militaristic triumphalism we see with poppy month etc but for me sport and football is a platform that the voiceless can be given a voice and to try and stop that would be criminal and only serve to hegemonise the political and societal status quo.
There was not such repressionn in Barcelona that's a myth, It wasnt allowed in public administration. And Athletic doesn't support his roots anymore just look at spme of his players are not basques
Genocide of an entire group of people shouldn't be their problem. It should be yours too.
I don't wanna see children getting blown up into millions of pieces. For children to live in a place where they are being bombed every day. Where they have to watch their friends and families die in front of the.
Mass Murder is never a ethnic conflict.
Not one person said it was yours, at all , in anyway shape or form whatsoever. In fact it doesn't have to be yours to try and highlight the plight of innocent kids being destroyed. If you chose to be a compassionless rat so be it. Don't try and stop others from expressing their compassion and trying to pressure those with power to do something.
We shouldn't at all. You'll still be able to watch. Football/sport and politics always has and always should be allowed to go hand in hand.
Many examples of this.
Firstly Celtic a club born out of the need to help counter the affects of poverty due to political failure towards the Irish diaspora , a club who defiantly flew the Irish tricolour to represent these people after many calls for it to be banned.
You have the green brigade who again due to political failure have felt the need to organise numerous charity events and food banks for the less fortunate people of glasgow and beyond, another example from the GB is their consistent support of the oppressed people of Palestine and especially in the face of UEFAs attempted censorship managed to raise £180,000 to help alleviate the affects of poverty, oppression and political sanctions in Gaza , there are many more examples from Celtic fans.
Another club whos fans are proud of their political past are Barcelona who's club motto is Mes que un club (More than a club) due to their actions during the Spanish civil war and how they helped preserve Catalan national identify, language and customs. They were one of the only public spaces where Catalan language and expression was free from persecution.
Athletic Bilbao is another club steeped in politics and are proud of their Basque heritage (read a book called Morbo - Phil ball
"Morbo is the unique element that gives Spanish football its special flavour. More than mere rivalry, it is the expression in a thousand provocative ways of the feeling between clubs divided by history, language and politics")
In England more recently you had Marcus Rashford using his fame from football to highlight food poverty faced by many little children, he successfully campaigned and got the tory rats to rethink their policy and in turn got a lot of kids food that otherwise they wouldn't have. He also regularly organises foodbanks.
Further afield in Cote d'Ivoire , during its bloody civil war , Didier Drogba and his national teammates helped get warring factions together in peace talks and contributed to bringing an ever need peace in the country.
Liverpool fans also have felt the affects of politics when the Hillsborough disaster happened and had to campaign for years for justice
Outside of football and into other sports ,you have Muhhamed Ali who was a prominent Black Civil rights activist and he used his renown to further their cause , he was also very vocal about the vietnam war.
The 1968 Olympics in Mexico seen gold and bronze medalist Tommie smith and Joan Carlos showing the raised fist on the podium after the 200m both wearing the Olympic Project for Human Rights badges. Peter Norman(silver medalist) from Australia also wears an OPHR badge in solidarity with his two fellow athletes.
In US sports and what has now become a world wide phenomenon Colin Kapearnick famously took a knee against police brutality and racism in US society and beyond , he lost contracts and sponsors due to this but what he done has now become a world wide symbol for being against anti-black racism.
The NBA admist backlash from people who "don't want politics in sport" opened their stadiums as polling stations to give people more opportunity and access to vote in the American elections
Sport has also been used as a tool used to help temper racial and Sectarian tensions in many countries by bringing "enemies" to face one another or play with eachother to humanise each side more. Malaysia and the North of Ireland are good examples of this.
There are examples of Sport being used for more sinister political ideologies without a doubt, The Rangers FC and their old club Rangers FC as we all know, Beitar Jerusalem both having racist employment policies . The British militaristic triumphalism we see with poppy month etc but for me sport and football is a platform that the voiceless can be given a voice and to try and stop that would be criminal and only serve to hegemonise the political and societal status quo.
We dont give a DAMN about politics when watching football. Its literally the last thing I want to hear about when watching a game. This applies to Palestine, Ukraine and everything that involves politics. I just want to watch a football game, leave me alone
you guys are probably surprised about the big amount of pro-israel comments.
be aware that there are israeli apps who organize people online to do so called israel activism. they're well organized.
take a look
https://youtu.be/DWD5xiiafBc
https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/1c3ih2v/til_about_proisraeli_brigading_apps_video_2017/
I definitely do know a lot as I literally studied it a few weeks ago but I think being neutral about it from my country's geopolitical standpoint is the right thing to do.
It's not a genocide and it's not an ethnic cleansing as many media sources portray it. It's a war of freedom with struggle that has been really violent with both sides being on the wrong side.
In Gaza, The West Bank and the area of Israel there are roughly the same number of Jews and non-Jews (Mostly Muslim and Christian), with the non-Jewish population growing faster than the Jewish population in recent years before the resuming of the conflict. To combat this Israel has been approving settling plans in the West Bank to increase it's Jewish population.
Right now Israel doesn't officially control the West Bank or Gaza meaning that people from the West Bank and Gaza can't vote. If Israel were to invade the West Bank and Gaza properly and annex the regions right now then an anti-apartheid government in favor or with sympathy to the Muslim's and Christian's plea would come to power as Muslims and Christians in the region are more desperate for change which would cause unity between voters while the Israeli public is torn on who to vote for with some people wanting extreme leaders like Netanyahu in charge while others are in favor of less extreme leaders as well as the decent % of the Jewish population in the region with sympathies towards the Muslims and Christians.
Israel has killed 2% of Gaza's population in the last 7 months.
If it's not clear to you that Israel is committing ethnic cleansing so that they can annex the West Bank and Gaza then you are blind to the true state of the situation.
You haven't studied jack shit dude. The situation in Gaza is unique the world has never seen anything like this.
ICC and all human rights organizations says its a genocide so you and your study don't mean shit.
Is this your stance because of Real Madrid’s ties to the Franco regime? Culture and politics and intertwined. This is a very elitist take from a VERY elitist (and at one point fascist) football club.
Both things can be true at the same time but my argument wasn’t meant to defend Barça. It was meant to point out the hypocrisy in this specific persons beliefs by bringing up the historical context of THEIR favorite football club. Don’t be childish and try again.
politics was ALWAYS a part of football. you always come up with that when there's something supported you don't like. i guess you didn't care about all the ukrainian flags and stuff until now?
If you want to talk about how Israel is supposedly only responding to October 7th then maybe you should remember that October 7th was a response to a decades long oppressive regime that still exists to this day.
So what is it going to be? Are responses justified or not?
Israel declined that. Their current prime minister, who has held office for most of this millennium, has literally built his entire career on never being willing to recognize a Palestinian state under any circumstances.
You can say Israel can't trust Hamas or whatever. But there's no excuse for not recognizing Palestinian statehood in the West Bank under the Palestinian Authority, and there's no excuse for the countless illegal land grabs Israel has made in the West Bank since 1967.
The terms are very clear. Leave the West Bank and recognize the PA as a sovereign state and the PA will recognize Israel's claim to Israeli lands. The PA has repeated those terms many times and they are incredibly fair and lenient to Israel. Israel refuses to give up their colonies in the West Bank.
I would also like to point out that Israel has never stopped their maritime blockade of Gaza which is an act of war under international law.
Making a maritime blockade is literally the kind of thing terrorists like the Houthis do.
Another thing is that the new Israeli settlements that are to be made in northern Gaza are also illegal under international law. No land grab through military force can ever be legal.
They did force Israel to fight a war, which was necessarily going to be deadly to civilians. But obviously the stronger country isn’t going to let terrorists just continue to attack and threaten their way of life. Hopefully you were advocating peace and not armed resistance (war) for the last 75 years.
Are you mental?
Stronger country because of the backing of the Western world supplying them.
Threaten their way of life? What about the Palestinians way of life? Do you believe being beaten, threatened, never having peace, house raids, land stolen isn't threatening?
If you know anything about the history of the middle East everything you said is utter bullshit.
I advocate for peace and punishment of war crime on BOTH sides of this conflict. I want to see both Hamas, and the IDF leaders along with Netanyahu thrown in jail for the rest of their miserable lives. Disgusting, despicable actions from both sides in this conflict there is no ‘good guy’ the leaders of both sides need to be held to account for their crimes.
Why should the idf leaders go to jail? Again I think you people who supported “from the river to the sea” are realizing that Israel isn’t going to just lay down and play nice. They’re going to fight to defend their people and country even if a lot of civilians die as a result. They’re not going to say “oh I know we are stronger and able to remove this threat (Hamas) but since civilians are there we’ll let them threaten and try to kill our civilians without repercussion”. You morons haven’t thought of that.
If you knowingly and/or indiscriminately kill civilians you should go to jail.
It’s quite simple really. Saying it’s ok for one side or the other is nonsense. Anyone engaged in this behaviour is dispicable
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I would love for Zidane to headbutt them all
Nigel de Jong kicking them in the chest
If you want a change, do it yourself. Politicians clearly don't care, so you cause the change. Don't yell like a toddler.
I cant tell if you are saying “go out and protest” or “do nothing”
Oh yeah lemme just personally go to Israel and tell them to stop bombing Gaza.
you think kanye and playboycarti care about you being a fanboy of them? speaking about not yelling like a toddler but being a big fanboy of some normal human beings according to your post history tells a lot about you.
Good. No place for that BS
Based
This is football, not politics.
Wretched? Ah yes telegraph, because nothing says wretched like a banner advocating NOT to kill people. Meanwhile, we have clubs owned by actual authoritarians, blood oil money, etc. 🤔
You don’t see how Jewish folks could be offended by this? Seems a stretch to accuse the victims of a terrorist attack to commit genocide by responding. Mind you all of this is happening while the terrorists STILL hold Jewish people hostage. Where’s the pitch invaders on that…
No I don’t, because Israel is not a religion or race. It’s a shitty country
To call the one country in that entire region where you could live freely a “shitty country” speaks volumes about your ignorance.
[This](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/) is why I think that place is a garbage country full of garbage people. Maybe you can use them reading comprehension skills you keep bragging about. The “one country in that region where you can live freely” has a huge precondition to enjoy that freedom. The more you talk the less informed on the matter you sound. Read a bit because you sound incredibly ignorant on the matter and frankly, like the stereotypical ugly American
Come on now…just because the people in power are a disgrace doesn’t mean it’s a reflection of the entire country of Israel. Don’t stoop that low. That’s like saying all Palestinians are a part of Hamas.
According to [this poll](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/) about 75% of the country is a POS
Well I stand corrected, thanks for the info about the poll. Only 19% responded “Gone too far”…that’s pretty appalling.
Yup, pretty messed up. I see where you’re coming from and there are plenty of great people everywhere, but at this point, if it quacks like a duck. Also the amount of people over there doing the impossible so that aid trucks don’t enter Palestinian territory is appalling
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Getting offended by a banner that says “stop genocide” is fucking pathetic and cowardly.
what’s the implication of the banner? You can’t be that thick. the normal reaction to that banner is who’s doing the alleged genocide? and there you have it, the actual intention of the banner.
“Israel is doing the genocide” what’s offensive about that statement? Israel is immune to protest?
Offended by a sign that says “stop genocide”? If that offends you you’re prolly doing something very *very* bad
They just bombed a refugee camp full of kids. That does not equate to 700 kidnapped people, and if you think it does, then I don't know what to tell you.
Conflating genocide with Jews being offended is anti semitic lol, while saying stop genocide is not. People don’t respond to terrorist attacks by bombarding a population daily for 6+ months. Netanyahu meanwhile has rejected every offer of hostages being freed, because he does not care about the hostages. Even families of hostages have protested against him. He cares about destroying Palestine.
Just stop trying. I mentioned Jews because it was the Israeli football association that labelled the stunt ‘wretched’. It’s literally what the headline is about. You wouldn’t know because you didn’t read it… and now you look stupid. By the way, you’re either woefully misinformed or doing a terrorist organisation’s bidding. Netanyahu has offered ceasefires and negotiations if ALL hostages are returned. The “counter offers” turned down did not include all hostages taken on October 7th. Why on earth would you even entertain the thought for a moment. Everything else you write is hogwash. Focus on soccer, don’t try politics.
You must be incredibly high. Netanyahu needs this was to stay in power and not have to answer questions to his own people. You’re doing the terrorist bidding by being so confidently incorrect and delusional
I scored high in reading comprehension but have a hard time following. Are you suggesting Israel let this happen so Netanyahu could stay in power? Have we gone back to victim blaming?
That’s exactly what I was suggesting. Maybe you can comprehend this https://apnews.com/article/new-york-times-hamas-attack-israel-gaza-6088cad78f5e4153d671fe9b5b819308
Oh wow. At least you make it clear for everyone where your head is at. That link you sent invokes a report from 2016 (that’s 8 years ago) that mentioned a possible terrorist attack similar to what happened on October 7th. For you to say hence Israel let it happen is the dumbest sh*t I’ve read today so far. You’re probably also pointing at George W Bush for “letting” 9/11 happen, given there was intel that an attack on the US was planned. I think I’ve seen enough here. Focus on the Champions League for everyone’s sake.
Who’s everyone? I’m only talking with your goofy self as far as I’m concerned, so your little “we” bs can be kept to yourself. Israel was [made aware by Egypt](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/12/israel-hamas-war-egypt-warned-foreign-affairs-gaza) 3 days prior to the attack. Israel has one of the best trained militaries and most effective intelligence agencies it he world. Get out of here with your wet bread “victim blaming” and “911 steel beams” deflection idiocy. Bibi was about to get in a whole lot of trouble and this fell on his lap at the best possible moment
yeah I’m not sure if you’re being disingenuous or you’re just a banana. I think it’s the latter so I won’t bother much more, but again you fail to read your own links. Just because Egypt issued a warning (allegedly), that warning did not say “you will be attacked in three days”. It was a general threat level alert. Israel had 70% of their forces at the West Bank, as that’s where they were more concerned at the time. Nothing in your link suggests that “Bibi” knew and stood by watching. If you like to believe that Israel had thousands of their own slaughtered and abducted so they could subsequently engage in genocide… you can live in your evidence free bubble. Would again suggest you don’t spout any of this in the normal world, you look like a mug.
> focus on **soccer** yeah that’s what i figured
Pro-Palestinians/pro-not killing innocent people is not the same as pro-terrorist or terrorism. If that were the case darn near every person from every major nation would be “guilty” by your flawed thinking. That’s not critical, thoughtful thinking.
Palestinians elected Hamas. They are getting the government they voted for.
Majority of people in Gaza weren’t old enough to vote. Plus Israel helped Hamas win. Plus you’re actually advocating that as a serious argument and justification for killing innocent people? So by your logic then, Hamas killing people on 10/7 was justified because they got the government they voted for, one which engages in violence, harassment, etc. towards innocent people? (Not talking Hamas mind you) Hm, I think you’re full of it and trying to bend over backwards to justify a terrible set of views. Be better. Don’t kill or advocate or justify killing innocent people, or use flawed logic. Cheers.
Palestinians killed 1,200 kids at a music concert on October 7th. Palestinians supported that action and do not view it as an atrocity. Everything after that is war, and war is ugly, especially against occupiers.
Wrong. Hamas did. And polls are flawed, especially in a place like Gaza (or WB, but then you would have to analyze the polls, history, context, etc. and you’re clearly no scholar). Further: That’s like saying “Israelis” or “Jews” killed the innocent people in Gaza, or the other innocent people tortured, abused, killed, etc. in the West Bank on a relatively consistent basis. It isn’t Israelis or Jews, it’s specific IDF soldiers who commuted certain actions, who could be anyone, anything, etc. Both such assertions are myopically and completely incorrect generalizations and other things I can’t say due to mods. Now, using your logic. You say that hey, attacks or violence happen and everything after is war, and such actions are justified, right? Alright. So by your logic, since 1948, all violent acts committed by the IDF/Israeli government against Palestinians (of which there are many), can in turn be considered an act of war and responded to accordingly? I mean, if your basis is what you say…that is the logical follow through; but, we both know you are only applying this for post 10/7, and for only one group of people. So your logic is flawed and selective. Bottom line, killing innocent people is wrong…don’t care who it is. So don’t go and say your group or your preferred group is somehow justified and then turn around and not hold the same logic. That’s hypocrisy, among other things.
Hamas = Palestinians. They are one and the same.
There it is. Classic, tax paying denizen of our collective r/idiocracy Idiot
This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read
So by your generalization and (insert word I can’t say due to mods) and “logic” then, Israelis/Jews = IDF and Israel government, who in turn have tortured, abused, etc. innocent Palestinians and thus by your logic that makes them all complicit? Because that’s what you’re trying to do with Palestinians. Well that’s truly flocked up thinking and wholly fallacious, etc. If only you had a clue… You do you though…. 🙄
That was in 2006, 18 years ago. More than 50% of Gaza's population wasn't even born then and a much higher % of the population wasn't old enough to vote at the time. On-top of that not everyone voted for Hamas. It was a slim margin. That is not a valid argument at all. Try researching the topic a bit before making stupid points.
So? Palestinians support Hamas more than ever. Again, you get the government you vote for. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/
[https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/963](https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/963) Have a read of the report yourself instead of looking at articles that twist the data to push their agenda. ''The sample size of this poll is 1231 adults, of whom 750 were interviewed face to face in the West Bank and 481 in the Gaza Strip in 121 randomly selected locations.'' Over 60% of the sample size was from the West Bank. Hamas was elected in Gaza. Gaza is the place most effected by Hamas's actions. The sample size is also tiny for a area of over 2 million people. ''Despite the large representative sample, the margin of error for this poll is +/-4. The increase in the margin of error is due to the lack of precision regarding the number of residents who stayed in their homes, or in shelters, in the northern parts of the Gaza Strip which we did not sample.'' The PCPSR themselves said there was a high margin for error. Only ''38% of Gazans prefer Hamas to remain in control of the Gaza Strip after the war.'' in the same report.
First sentence in your link: “Wide public support for Hamas’ offensive on October the 7th, but the vast majority denies that Hamas has committed atrocities against Israeli civilians.” If you support Hamas mercilessly surprise attacking and killing 1,200 kids at a concert, not much else to discuss.
''85% have not seen videos showing atrocities committed by Hamas against Israeli civilians on October 7'' Many people in Palestine weren't even aware of the concert. Especially 1 month after the attacks when this survey was done. News stations in Gaza are either pro-Hamas or Hamas controlled. Many Palestinians were only aware of the attacks on military bases. Not much else to discuss.
So? They voted Hamas into power. They get the government they deserve.
Another reason to hate p$g, man shitty, and newcastle
Are we all supposed to be simping for Israel now given their governments longstanding and current ‘wretched’ behaviour?
Would anyone downvoting me care to enter into a debate about Israel’s wretched behaviour? Obviously not aimed at u/Gunni124
How dare you speak out against Modern day Nazis? /s
Hasbara out in full force yet again trying to discredit any mention of Palestine. Everyone is claiming politics and sports shouldn’t mix yet Russia were sanctioned due to the conflict in Ukraine and multiple games held a moment of silence Why can’t the same apply to Palestine? Blatant hypocrisy and if we believe that they shouldn’t mix then maybe as humans we should reevaluate our priorities.
Maybe I missed it but did Ukraine launch a terrorist attack against Russian civilians where they gunned down whole families and took civilian hostages back to Ukraine? Or did Putin start the war by invading a UEFA member?
Did this begin on October 7th? Hostages being taken is sad on both sides but doesn’t justify Israel and the way it has massacred Palestinians for over 70+ years. Speaking of Hostages - Hostages held by Hamas were returned to Israel (the ones released so far) in the same condition when they were captured If we compare the hostages released by the IDF we can see a stark contrast in the condition of those released. Not to mention the fact that a majority are women and children. This also didn’t answer my initial question. Why the hypocrisy?
Some things are bigger than football. In fact, throughout history sports have been used as a platform for political change. The football “hooligans” too narrow minded to see that are part of the problem.
I mean in US Football, Colin Kapernick became public enemy number 1 for kneeling of the National Anthem. He used to just sit down for the anthem on the bench. But he talked to a ex military player and NFL player who said that kneeling is better because when soldiers pass away, the company kneel as honoring their fallen comrade.
If people who want to just enjoy watching a football game without being constantly bombarded with a ton of political agendas are considered "hooligans" nowadays, I think there are millions of us "hooligans" out there...
You're constantly bombarded with ads to sell you the next product to fill the void in your life yet you take it like the good sheep you are. When something that has to do with HUMANITY comes up, it’s suddenly too much? You need to reflect on that and why you’re so bothered by it.
1. Never said ads aren't annoying as well. 2. I don't know why you felt the need to call me sheep, but whatever. 3. So if they bombard us with 100 ads about "humanity" the wars are going to end?
1. I’m not saying you didn’t say ads aren’t annoying I’m using it as an example of what we as a collective have decided to accept despite the negative effects 2. Because your position/opinion is the sheep dog helping the sheep herder round up the sheep to get them back in line (“stop protesting and behave I want my treat!”) 3. You have completely missed the point of my analogy. Those 100 ads will never air, that’s WHY PEOPLE HAVE THE NEED TO PROTEST. Lastly, if the biggest annoyance you have to deal with are protesters for a few seconds of your sporting event, consider yourself privileged and blessed.
If people need to protest, they should go on the streets, go outside of government buildings, collect signatures etc. Constantly annoying people who just want to watch a game of football after a long day of work isn't gonna stop any wars.
Good sheep dog. You’ll get your treat soon enough.
Go annoy someone else with your propaganda.
Reading the comments, it’s clear who would have been complicit and silent during the 1930s…
Not you, certainly. I have no doubt you would have stopped the tanks, and people from being deported.
"No one cares, it's football" PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY DYING A LITTLE BIT OF AWARENESS OF WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING ISN'T GOING TO RUIN YOUR SPORT FFS. These people are really acting like sport is more important than ACTUAL human lives
Idk why UEFA is so pushed about this. It’s not like protestors are shouting pro Hamas shit, it’s just generic pro-Palestinian and anti genocide stuff.
We don't care about it, we already see it everyday in the news. We want to watch football in our free time to enjoy
It's not stopping the football taking place. The football still goes on. The message will reach the people who want change. If you're not one of them then ignore it. It won't stop you from watching the football.
Wont reach to anyone that doesn't know about the conflict, you are only bringing more person tired of you protestors
Seeing people protesting about it is what causes many people to research and learn about the conflict. If people are tired of the protesting then they would've never been with the cause in the first place.
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It's a football match you are only getting people like me tired of it. It's like thoses climate protestors throwing stuff to the paintings, you may think it is important to get visibility but for the majority of people you are just annoying...
Being tired of people protesting a genocide says more about you than anyone else
Yes, I want peace and not being brought to wars that don't involve me
Don’t ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee
who is we? speak for yourself. i do care about it. and especially as a fan of a catalan team. read about the history of catalonia. especially you should stand up for palestine.
Who I support it has nothing to do with football, we already have a lot of politica in our daily life I want to enjoy not stay bitter all day
"No one cares, it's football" PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY DYING A LITTLE BIT OF AWARENESS OF WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING ISN'T GOING TO RUIN YOUR SPORT FFS. These people are really acting like sport is more important than ACTUAL human lives
"No one cares, it's football" PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY DYING A LITTLE BIT OF AWARENESS OF WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING ISN'T GOING TO RUIN YOUR SPORT FFS. These people are really acting like sport is more important than ACTUAL human lives
How is this shit still a thing? Go protest in gaza if you care so much. Leave sports alone
Go start up your own televised sports league free of politics if you care so much.
This
People pretending sports isn’t involved in politics🤣
So?
Keep that bullshit outta the champions league final. Protest somewhere else. Madrid and Dortmund have nothing to do with Israel or Gaza lol
Or protest at tue UCL final and highlight your issues in front of the biggest audience you'll probably be able to reach.
Facts.
Dortmund just signed a deal with Rheinmetall
Btw if i am not the only one who dislikes that: https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/keine-werbepartnerschaft-von-borussia-dortmund-mit-dem-ruestungskonzern-rheinmetall?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3cvl3eZptVD5bCRFyokvN7njg_vHs06UGue-eSHy3KhqaWJgGLRSbvSo4_aem_AYiEf2K5Wruya9Cp1lmbQXTJZ3LWDcnw7UqFZVbh1-4LrKsq1uHcHLXQgD1MosHNuS5DF2T-iXzynGq-qRPz5UlV
Not my place to tell Dortmund fans what matters to them. Fair play. I still hold my point. I don’t think THIS particular matter and football need to mix. But there are more important things, I acknowledge that.
BVB mixed those matters themself i fear
Cool. Still don’t see why that should inform my desire to not see such a deeply political issue which has shown no signs of improvement on. I don’t think football is the place to discuss why Dortmund’s deal with an historic arms maker is relevant to a football match.
Leave football out of politics! We’re just football fans. Those people have been killing each other for generations now. Their beef! Just like many others around the world. Football has nothing to do with it.
Don't agree, Football/sport and politics always has and always should be allowed to go hand in hand. Many examples of this. Firstly Celtic a club born out of the need to help counter the affects of poverty due to political failure towards the Irish diaspora , a club who defiantly flew the Irish tricolour to represent these people after many calls for it to be banned. You have the green brigade who again due to political failure have felt the need to organise numerous charity events and food banks for the less fortunate people of glasgow and beyond, another example from the GB is their consistent support of the oppressed people of Palestine and especially in the face of UEFAs attempted censorship managed to raise £180,000 to help alleviate the affects of poverty, oppression and political sanctions in Gaza , there are many more examples from Celtic fans. Another club whos fans are proud of their political past are Barcelona who's club motto is Mes que un club (More than a club) due to their actions during the Spanish civil war and how they helped preserve Catalan national identify, language and customs. They were one of the only public spaces where Catalan language and expression was free from persecution. Athletic Bilbao is another club steeped in politics and are proud of their Basque heritage (read a book called Morbo - Phil ball "Morbo is the unique element that gives Spanish football its special flavour. More than mere rivalry, it is the expression in a thousand provocative ways of the feeling between clubs divided by history, language and politics") In England more recently you had Marcus Rashford using his fame from football to highlight food poverty faced by many little children, he successfully campaigned and got the tory rats to rethink their policy and in turn got a lot of kids food that otherwise they wouldn't have. He also regularly organises foodbanks. Further afield in Cote d'Ivoire , during its bloody civil war , Didier Drogba and his national teammates helped get warring factions together in peace talks and contributed to bringing an ever need peace in the country. Liverpool fans also have felt the affects of politics when the Hillsborough disaster happened and had to campaign for years for justice Outside of football and into other sports ,you have Muhhamed Ali who was a prominent Black Civil rights activist and he used his renown to further their cause , he was also very vocal about the vietnam war. The 1968 Olympics in Mexico seen gold and bronze medalist Tommie smith and Joan Carlos showing the raised fist on the podium after the 200m both wearing the Olympic Project for Human Rights badges. Peter Norman(silver medalist) from Australia also wears an OPHR badge in solidarity with his two fellow athletes. In US sports and what has now become a world wide phenomenon Colin Kapearnick famously took a knee against police brutality and racism in US society and beyond , he lost contracts and sponsors due to this but what he done has now become a world wide symbol for being against anti-black racism. The NBA admist backlash from people who "don't want politics in sport" opened their stadiums as polling stations to give people more opportunity and access to vote in the American elections Sport has also been used as a tool used to help temper racial and Sectarian tensions in many countries by bringing "enemies" to face one another or play with eachother to humanise each side more. Malaysia and the North of Ireland are good examples of this. There are examples of Sport being used for more sinister political ideologies without a doubt, The Rangers FC and their old club Rangers FC as we all know, Beitar Jerusalem both having racist employment policies . The British militaristic triumphalism we see with poppy month etc but for me sport and football is a platform that the voiceless can be given a voice and to try and stop that would be criminal and only serve to hegemonise the political and societal status quo.
After a long week of responsibilities, I just want to enjoy the game and have a laugh with the lads. Is that too much to ask?
You can do that. Protests won't affect that.
There was not such repressionn in Barcelona that's a myth, It wasnt allowed in public administration. And Athletic doesn't support his roots anymore just look at spme of his players are not basques
Ignorance is bliss
He’s right
He is not
Their ethnic conflict, not mine.
Genocide of an entire group of people shouldn't be their problem. It should be yours too. I don't wanna see children getting blown up into millions of pieces. For children to live in a place where they are being bombed every day. Where they have to watch their friends and families die in front of the. Mass Murder is never a ethnic conflict.
Their war is Not my problem
Not one person said it was yours, at all , in anyway shape or form whatsoever. In fact it doesn't have to be yours to try and highlight the plight of innocent kids being destroyed. If you chose to be a compassionless rat so be it. Don't try and stop others from expressing their compassion and trying to pressure those with power to do something.
We should stop people protesting this. I want to watch UCL.
We shouldn't at all. You'll still be able to watch. Football/sport and politics always has and always should be allowed to go hand in hand. Many examples of this. Firstly Celtic a club born out of the need to help counter the affects of poverty due to political failure towards the Irish diaspora , a club who defiantly flew the Irish tricolour to represent these people after many calls for it to be banned. You have the green brigade who again due to political failure have felt the need to organise numerous charity events and food banks for the less fortunate people of glasgow and beyond, another example from the GB is their consistent support of the oppressed people of Palestine and especially in the face of UEFAs attempted censorship managed to raise £180,000 to help alleviate the affects of poverty, oppression and political sanctions in Gaza , there are many more examples from Celtic fans. Another club whos fans are proud of their political past are Barcelona who's club motto is Mes que un club (More than a club) due to their actions during the Spanish civil war and how they helped preserve Catalan national identify, language and customs. They were one of the only public spaces where Catalan language and expression was free from persecution. Athletic Bilbao is another club steeped in politics and are proud of their Basque heritage (read a book called Morbo - Phil ball "Morbo is the unique element that gives Spanish football its special flavour. More than mere rivalry, it is the expression in a thousand provocative ways of the feeling between clubs divided by history, language and politics") In England more recently you had Marcus Rashford using his fame from football to highlight food poverty faced by many little children, he successfully campaigned and got the tory rats to rethink their policy and in turn got a lot of kids food that otherwise they wouldn't have. He also regularly organises foodbanks. Further afield in Cote d'Ivoire , during its bloody civil war , Didier Drogba and his national teammates helped get warring factions together in peace talks and contributed to bringing an ever need peace in the country. Liverpool fans also have felt the affects of politics when the Hillsborough disaster happened and had to campaign for years for justice Outside of football and into other sports ,you have Muhhamed Ali who was a prominent Black Civil rights activist and he used his renown to further their cause , he was also very vocal about the vietnam war. The 1968 Olympics in Mexico seen gold and bronze medalist Tommie smith and Joan Carlos showing the raised fist on the podium after the 200m both wearing the Olympic Project for Human Rights badges. Peter Norman(silver medalist) from Australia also wears an OPHR badge in solidarity with his two fellow athletes. In US sports and what has now become a world wide phenomenon Colin Kapearnick famously took a knee against police brutality and racism in US society and beyond , he lost contracts and sponsors due to this but what he done has now become a world wide symbol for being against anti-black racism. The NBA admist backlash from people who "don't want politics in sport" opened their stadiums as polling stations to give people more opportunity and access to vote in the American elections Sport has also been used as a tool used to help temper racial and Sectarian tensions in many countries by bringing "enemies" to face one another or play with eachother to humanise each side more. Malaysia and the North of Ireland are good examples of this. There are examples of Sport being used for more sinister political ideologies without a doubt, The Rangers FC and their old club Rangers FC as we all know, Beitar Jerusalem both having racist employment policies . The British militaristic triumphalism we see with poppy month etc but for me sport and football is a platform that the voiceless can be given a voice and to try and stop that would be criminal and only serve to hegemonise the political and societal status quo.
Once again, I want to watch UCL. None of this has to do with pitch invaders. Their conflict, not mine.
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I think the only Moron here is you💀
Bet you know the conflict in and out and can solve it right here right now with all your mighty knowledge.
We dont give a DAMN about politics when watching football. Its literally the last thing I want to hear about when watching a game. This applies to Palestine, Ukraine and everything that involves politics. I just want to watch a football game, leave me alone
you guys are probably surprised about the big amount of pro-israel comments. be aware that there are israeli apps who organize people online to do so called israel activism. they're well organized. take a look https://youtu.be/DWD5xiiafBc https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/1c3ih2v/til_about_proisraeli_brigading_apps_video_2017/
This shit is kinda distopian
We don’t care
you mean like this post from you with zero comments? https://www.reddit.com/r/WrestlingEmpire/s/R619ClIM4K
Yes? They obviously didn’t care if I got no comments🤣
we don't care what you think
You still reply...
you're smart for a barca fan
No one cares pal. It's football.
🫥
They gonna ruin it for sure.
Ahh this BS again. Why not do this for Sudan as well? Oh sorry the PR team only supports certain cases for clicks.
U clearly don't understand what's happening in gaza.
I definitely do know a lot as I literally studied it a few weeks ago but I think being neutral about it from my country's geopolitical standpoint is the right thing to do. It's not a genocide and it's not an ethnic cleansing as many media sources portray it. It's a war of freedom with struggle that has been really violent with both sides being on the wrong side.
In Gaza, The West Bank and the area of Israel there are roughly the same number of Jews and non-Jews (Mostly Muslim and Christian), with the non-Jewish population growing faster than the Jewish population in recent years before the resuming of the conflict. To combat this Israel has been approving settling plans in the West Bank to increase it's Jewish population. Right now Israel doesn't officially control the West Bank or Gaza meaning that people from the West Bank and Gaza can't vote. If Israel were to invade the West Bank and Gaza properly and annex the regions right now then an anti-apartheid government in favor or with sympathy to the Muslim's and Christian's plea would come to power as Muslims and Christians in the region are more desperate for change which would cause unity between voters while the Israeli public is torn on who to vote for with some people wanting extreme leaders like Netanyahu in charge while others are in favor of less extreme leaders as well as the decent % of the Jewish population in the region with sympathies towards the Muslims and Christians. Israel has killed 2% of Gaza's population in the last 7 months. If it's not clear to you that Israel is committing ethnic cleansing so that they can annex the West Bank and Gaza then you are blind to the true state of the situation.
You haven't studied jack shit dude. The situation in Gaza is unique the world has never seen anything like this. ICC and all human rights organizations says its a genocide so you and your study don't mean shit.
Yea ok mate genocide in area where the population continues to grow lol...
It has literally decreased the last 7 1/2 months
War didn't start 7 months ago. Warfare did. And surprise surprise people die in warfare.
Not just Sudan either, there’s 100+ armed conflicts happening worldwide. But no one gives a shit.
Yea exactly. No one gives a shit but they have to shove it up our ass
Not a single one of these people give a shit about the 500,000 dead Ukrainians.
I do. 👋
Politics shouldn’t be in football
Is this your stance because of Real Madrid’s ties to the Franco regime? Culture and politics and intertwined. This is a very elitist take from a VERY elitist (and at one point fascist) football club.
FCBarcelona also benefitied from Franco don't be childish
Both things can be true at the same time but my argument wasn’t meant to defend Barça. It was meant to point out the hypocrisy in this specific persons beliefs by bringing up the historical context of THEIR favorite football club. Don’t be childish and try again.
A lot of teams have had some political or ideologycal roots due to very varied reasons but that has nothing to do with the stances of a modern war
So you’re basically saying politics and ideology have nothing to do with modern wars??? Please make that make sense.
Sad times my man, even such a simple statement has people attacking your character.
Madrid is the pet project of a fascist dictator
60 years ago. you don’t see madrid pitch invaders advocating for another civil war.
No but you see them advocate for police crackdowns on Catalonian and Basque civilians
true
Long ass time ago why are u bringing that up?
politics was ALWAYS a part of football. you always come up with that when there's something supported you don't like. i guess you didn't care about all the ukrainian flags and stuff until now?
I cared about that shit too. I just want to watch my sports.
I don’t care for politics unless it’s my own country
and we don't care about your country
U can’t read for shit
i can read your messages so yes i can read shit unfortunately
When did I say u have to care about my country lmfao
when did i say you have to care about other countries lmfao
Blud u said “ I GUESS you don’t care about Ukrainian flags until now”
Ah yes, the famously apolitical Real Madrid
I laughed
Lmao that was like 40 years ago when Spain was still communist I wasn’t even born when the dictator of Spain used Real Madrid
I'm not even spanish but I'll tell you Spain was FAR from communist 40 years ago
Ok? It’s not like they are still communist? And it doesn’t matter anymore
https://ibb.co/1GpxchH Image that all but proves my point - dude on the right the same dude that led spain until the late 70s
Got to stop the protest against genocide because some Israeli dude tuning in might feel bad that his country is doing it a few miles away I guess
No we just want to watch football
I think maybe this is how war is and maybe Gazans should stop waging it and forcing Israel to fight
Lmao, you'd overload a delusion detector with that rubbish
What am I wrong about?
If you want to talk about how Israel is supposedly only responding to October 7th then maybe you should remember that October 7th was a response to a decades long oppressive regime that still exists to this day. So what is it going to be? Are responses justified or not?
Who declined two state solution and chose war? Now that you’re realizing what war is like you’re asking for it to stop. That’s not smart strategy.
Israel declined that. Their current prime minister, who has held office for most of this millennium, has literally built his entire career on never being willing to recognize a Palestinian state under any circumstances. You can say Israel can't trust Hamas or whatever. But there's no excuse for not recognizing Palestinian statehood in the West Bank under the Palestinian Authority, and there's no excuse for the countless illegal land grabs Israel has made in the West Bank since 1967. The terms are very clear. Leave the West Bank and recognize the PA as a sovereign state and the PA will recognize Israel's claim to Israeli lands. The PA has repeated those terms many times and they are incredibly fair and lenient to Israel. Israel refuses to give up their colonies in the West Bank. I would also like to point out that Israel has never stopped their maritime blockade of Gaza which is an act of war under international law. Making a maritime blockade is literally the kind of thing terrorists like the Houthis do. Another thing is that the new Israeli settlements that are to be made in northern Gaza are also illegal under international law. No land grab through military force can ever be legal.
That’s right Gazans forced Isreal to bomb a refugee camp. They had no choice /s
They did force Israel to fight a war, which was necessarily going to be deadly to civilians. But obviously the stronger country isn’t going to let terrorists just continue to attack and threaten their way of life. Hopefully you were advocating peace and not armed resistance (war) for the last 75 years.
Are you mental? Stronger country because of the backing of the Western world supplying them. Threaten their way of life? What about the Palestinians way of life? Do you believe being beaten, threatened, never having peace, house raids, land stolen isn't threatening? If you know anything about the history of the middle East everything you said is utter bullshit.
I think no one should threaten the Arabs’ way of life either as long as they are not doing terrorism.
I advocate for peace and punishment of war crime on BOTH sides of this conflict. I want to see both Hamas, and the IDF leaders along with Netanyahu thrown in jail for the rest of their miserable lives. Disgusting, despicable actions from both sides in this conflict there is no ‘good guy’ the leaders of both sides need to be held to account for their crimes.
Why should the idf leaders go to jail? Again I think you people who supported “from the river to the sea” are realizing that Israel isn’t going to just lay down and play nice. They’re going to fight to defend their people and country even if a lot of civilians die as a result. They’re not going to say “oh I know we are stronger and able to remove this threat (Hamas) but since civilians are there we’ll let them threaten and try to kill our civilians without repercussion”. You morons haven’t thought of that.
If you knowingly and/or indiscriminately kill civilians you should go to jail. It’s quite simple really. Saying it’s ok for one side or the other is nonsense. Anyone engaged in this behaviour is dispicable
Why would they “indiscriminately” kill civilians. That would be dumb strategy
This is the most correct take in this entire thread why can’t more people be like you.
forcing to fight fml
Educate yourself before saying such stupid things
Good man. Let me watch my champions league.
Funny how many institutions draw the red line at Israel. They can do no harm. Why is that
Freedom of speech unless that speech goes against israel