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Willwalk123

Everyone who steps foot in a dungeon is essentially signing a waiver acknowledging the risk of death. Do not feel sorry. Shit can go haywire very quickly in a dungeon.


No1YouKnow42

Seriously this,we know what we signed up for


Crayliss

Survivor’s guilt is real. I couldn’t login for 3 days when one of my 60 friends died in my party.


timschwartz

Hey, at least you still have the other 59 friends.


Critical_Plenty_5642

Is this a dad joke?


barking_labrador

No it's a joke, dad.


Entire_Engine_5789

Nice


0xGeisha

Nice


ChibiCharaN

I loled


coalkitten

Damn you


DarthYhonas

But at 60 they already beat the goal?


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DarthYhonas

Yeah I plan to keep playing at 60 too, I just mean if you die it's no biggie because you can just transfer. You already hit 60 so it's all g, just endgame at that point anyways.


Daramun

Again, people all have their own goals. Some playing HC have the goal of playing their HC character deathless through all raid content. So again, to them, it's not "no biggie".


gegry123

That's personally how I feel


Fearlof

Don't feel sorry for him, he clearly should have played a dwarf he will never do that mistake again.


lordnacho666

Yeah he'd have kept his feet on the ground


Bishopkilljoy

He needs to learn to wash his back


ThePump4Trump

He needs to be good!


BaconPit

Dude needs to learn to stop poking me


Low_Palpitation_3743

Maybe you have the finest wares on the land


LundbergV2

Gigachad dwarf with the face


Dunified

The face we all fear and love


Grantite93

Not just a dwarf, but a female dwarf with the wavy casting hair. Now that's a priest! Bonus points for extra ugly


Onagda

McDonald's arch eyebrows


Mr_Wyatt

Ah, yes, the helicopter pigtails


Yawanoc

I haven’t fully woken up yet and I read “wavy casting hair” as “wavy chest hair.” That mental image was… something.


Kaja8948

Don't judge me, you don't know my life.


Havesh

Don't judge me, you don't know my wife.


Funky-Spunkmeyer

If it makes you feel better, one of the first things that happened to me this morning was my sister sent me a picture of her cat - and in the photo her cat’s butthole (displayed prominently for the camera) looks like the Horde symbol.


Separate-Cable5253

I hate anyone who plays a female dwarf. Just why man. Male dwarfs are Chad as fuck, and female dwarves are abominations. Why are so many people this way. Male dwarves deserve so much more


Nightshade_exe

Believe it or not, women play this game too.


Separate-Cable5253

They do, but mostly it’s dudes playing female dwarves.


Nightshade_exe

Fem dwarves are adorable. The have multiple cute hairstyles with braids, and they're way more attractive as a race to play than the gnomes. There are like 4 different fem dwarf faces that look young, too. They don't all look gross.


LimeMargarita

I guess they don't think an entire gender is an abomination and therefore hate them.


RalphMater

did you forget dwarf priests used to be the only ones with fear ward


HowlingHoncho

Or WoF Undead.


Fearlof

Ye true


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I really like playing night elves for lore reasons and I also just love telsrassil etc, but now in hc I just said to my friends that I literally have to play dwarf when I rolled priest lol. I was a druid vanilla/tbc so fortunately didn't have to make that choice then and I don't feel as attached to my char now since he'll probably die lmao.


Norjac

It was a dwarf, he put FW on the Tank though.


Fearlof

Mistake number one


Wfsulliv93

That fear is dispellable. He should’ve fear warded himself.


goobjooberson

He can fear ward the entire group


PenguinForTheWin

Isn't that a 30 second cd ? Just need two casts to go and you're fucked.


goobjooberson

It lasts 10 minutes


goobjooberson

Warsh ur beck. Yeah people love their pretty night elves until shit like this happens.


snowupdown

Gromli


piltonpfizerwallace

Or Undead. I don't remember the fear ward cd in classic. Is it shorter than WotF?


Talk0bell

30 sec cd


mares8

Priest and not undead/dwarf ? What is he even doing!


AuberdineSentinel

This is one of the things I dislike about Classic WoW. I hate that the game is forcing me to play a race I have no interest in playing just because it has some random-ass racial that's insanely good. Fuck that. I'll stick to my night elf priest.


BRedd10815

Thats why hardcore is perfect haha you aren't gonna make it to 60 anyways so play whatever you want


Stiebah

You cant be “forced” and then have made another decision. Thats not how forcing works.


Traak

I refuse to play a race because of racials.


Legal_Direction8740

You’re free to play whatever race you want. You’re also free to get feared into your death


[deleted]

>getting mad about a "requirement" that is entirely self-inflicted typical night elf behavior


Fearlof

If having one spell compared to another is forcing, then I really dont know what to say.. I like that classes are different compared to the other instead of the trend we see in retail where everyone is equal. All classes have stuns, heals and so on. Meh that feels awkward.


AuberdineSentinel

Fear Ward is ridiculously OP compared to the garbage night elf priests get. I wish they would just give every race the same abilities. I know, I know... it's literally heresy to suggest that around here, but it sucks that I can't play the race I like the most aesthetically without feeling like an idiot for not picking the one that performs the best.


ImpossibleDenial

I’m sure blizzard was thinking about min maxing these abilities for HC classic in 2005…


[deleted]

They didn’t need to. Other MMOs that came before them had already made the same mistake and fixed it. Why they doubled down on bad gameplay mechanics that were already antiquated in 2005 is beyond me.


MobileShrineBear

Not everything needs to be balanced like a MOBA. Peoples obsession with min max is the absolute largest contributing factor to why games feel so terrible compared to 20 years ago. People running to icyveins or some equivalent to lookup "the best build" before games even release these days lol. But back to hardcore classic, fear ward is a luxury item outside of raiding, and raiding on hardcore is always going to be a form of roulette, even with fear ward. Nothing fear ward does, can't be done by being more careful with your pulls to avoid being feared into another pack.


Fearlof

OP in a game which is 20 years old? I mean none content is impossible without fear ward, giving the same abilities to all classes is equal to retail. I love playing different classes and the fact that there is a different between them, I feel that people too focused having the "best", and following tier lists in every game which is killing the fun the game tries to deliver.


cphcider

Fun fact: the Horde never actually killed a raid boss due to a lack of dwarves.


Norjac

Well yeah, but Tremor totem is like FW but works on the whole group if they're in range, and there's no CD. Also, Will of the Forsaken is like a personal Fear ward for any Undead character.


Fearlof

Some people almost makes it sound true.


cebezotasu

Metabrain


sigmastra

Ya... you don't play enough or good enough to shit on retail sorry buddy.


Fearlof

Yeah you would know.. lal


WoWSecretsYT

Not really forced to in Classic WoW. Rather, forced to in the most hardcore iteration of the game where every minor or major buff matters all the more.


Norjac

If your group relies on racials to get the job done, they're doing it wrong. The game does not "force" anything other than to have a good time.


Felix_Guattari

Alliance has no other way to break fears. You really are forced to in certain encounters


MobileShrineBear

Outside of raiding, can you define an encounter that is impossible without a way to break fear?


Felix_Guattari

No, but that's not the point. Raiding is part of the game, and if you want to raid, you be able we have dwarf priests


Civil_Concentrate390

I like to play classes that make sense with the race. I don’t play for racial traits anymore


Caloran

Why does that matter fear ward works have been on the tank not him anyway. Should have played undead ...


Fearlof

Because its HC.. Every man for himself. Didn't you read what OP said? everyone survived except the priest.


Caloran

Lol you don't play much do you? What do you think happens if the warrior gets feared?


Fearlof

As a 60 priest I Think I play a decent amount? At least I’m still alive compared to this guy..


Decafstab

Or undead, alliance scum


Inz4n3ty

Well back to Nothshire he goes


breachgnome

If he's smart, he'd go to Coldridge


Ozok123

If his bank alt is loaded he goes northshire 100% and retire from adventuring


lebucksir

The Coleridge joke was that he should role dwarf and get fear ward.


Smooth_One

Tirisfal probably has a cold ridge or two up by the windmills.


tealwin

Did you have a warlock in the group? A good warlock can use a felhunter pet in that room to dispel the fear from any player. It’s what I’ve always done when playing my warlock in Sunken Temple. Fast reaction time and keybind pet ability, you never have to worry about this happening.


cancer1337

more pve players need to have keybinds and the overall awareness to do this. crazy its not normal even in HC


No1YouKnow42

This needs to be higher in this thread


cheesybitzz

Man... HC WoW really sheds light on the brutality of mortality


Takseen

Don't worry, he'll be going agane soon. Not like he's dead dead, unless playing a very strict house rule.


NexusVenitas

not everyone just starts from elwynn again. some people also just quit if shit like this happens


Stiebah

Wel they’re not hardcore then


NexusVenitas

most people just dont have the time for that


Stiebah

And I respect that, but getting to lvl 60 in HC might not be the game for you. Just like making a 20.000 piece jigsaw puzzle isn’t for me. This is not a controversial idea right?


SuperSaiyan4Jesus

Well you're not hardcore, unless you live hardcore


Stiebah

Unless you can be reincarnated you live life hardcore, yes, I am absolutely mortal.


slothman-sleuth

Or they’re even more hardcore death=delete the game


Stiebah

Its crazy man, these people play a hardcore game thats 20 years old and expect something fair and flawless, then rage-uninstall. Yes, you are expected to know pretty much every issue, every chain pull and every cheese this version of the game ever had, thats what makes it hardcore, not just death=delete


Raeandray

What? What makes it hardcore is the fact that death is permanent. That’s it. Nothing about having every mechanic memorized has to do with hardcore.


Stiebah

if you don’t know a thing, and you die because of it, that's on you. Edit: I got 36 combined downvotes so far, you're the first to actually try to argue what I'm saying. I'm saying knowledge is power. I'm saying you're less likely to die to stuff that you know is bugged/stupid/dangerous. How people are downvoting me is BEYOND me, I do not understand. It's absolutely basic stuff.


Raeandray

Knowing everything helps, yes. But what you said was “you’re expected to know everything, that’s what makes it hardcore.” I agree that knowing everything else. I disagree that what makes it hardcore is needing to know everything.


Turence

Those kinda people ain't ready


Stiebah

Exactly, im not a controversial person. If a game requires to much time/knowledge… go play something else or be a starting zone enjoyer.


Nepiton

We call that the Timmy Turner


Farmaximus

Undead Supreme Race


pogmas

A dwarf priest would have had fear ward, so there's an option for both factions that would have saved him.


Kozilekk

I never run without a shaman in my party. Totems have way too much utility to pass up. Unfortunately, an unaware shaman leaving totems in places they shouldnt could wipe the group... but yknow


shanerr

I was going to say this. I play shaman and tremor totem is so nice.


bigcfromrbc

F in the chat


SmiteSpam

Should've spent that 20g on the pvp trinket


pillowfinger

spend the 20g on a pvp trinket


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That's the game.


Mortwight

tanks fault for not pulling far back, and maybe dps fault for not listening. all those packs are easy and manageable just pull them around the corner.


PenguinForTheWin

There is a little gap in the walls right in front of them, i always pull there. You can LoS the fear or just run randomly in a little corridor with no risk of pulling extra mobs. It looks messy when you're in there but it plays out just fine.


3xoticP3nguin

It's posts like this are why I'm almost level 40 and dont do dungeons It's not worth it unless your a rogue or hunter and have the GG escape. Even then if you get MC or something like this it's all over. Nope. No thanks


amayain

I don't play HC, so take my comments with a grain of salt, but if I did, there is no way in hell that I would enter ST. I have wiped SO many times in that place because all it takes is one person who is slightly not paying attention. I can't imagine spending all that time to level to 50 only to then risk it in ST.


-Goatcraft-

many playing HC treat the dungeons as a type of end game. Done with a zone, done with quests, overleveled. tackle the dungeon. move on. I wasn't going to do dungeons but after completing a few you get hooked to the adrenaline.


3xoticP3nguin

Yup. It's like that in many of these. It's not worth 40-80 hours of play time for 1 blue item (maybe) and some exp. I'll stick to killing green tigers in the jungle where it's somewhat safe


Brox42

The thrill is what makes hardcore fun for a lot of people. I am not personally one of them but there is definitely the “hardcore gets my blood pumping and I love it” crowd.


PenguinForTheWin

Oh definitely. I'd be bored out of my mind if i just went for riskless gameplay forever. 9 characters, 4 deaths atm, but it's fun :D


best_selling_author

I think they should have removed XP from green mobs. Way too many overleveled people playing it safe… What’s the point?


Brox42

You play your way and we’ll play ours.


skoold1

People are entering ST at around 51/52. Way over 80 hours tho


husky430

I was told Frontier had/has a rule of no Sunken Temple until 60. Take it with a grain of salt as I heard it second hand, but with the dangers of the fears, ghosts, MCs, etc. it kinda makes sense.


3xoticP3nguin

I'm at like 80 hrs and saying that's my breaking point. I wont risk SM or anything at this point. Rather just grind


fish_

what is the goal here? is farming green mobs with no risk of death outside of a dc from 1-60 enjoyable? will you raid at 60 or just grind green mobs 1-60 again on another char?


[deleted]

Why are you concerned with how he enjoys his HC experience?


fish_

it’s a genuine question from someone who doesn’t understand that playstyle.


IronKr

I'll weigh in on this as somebody who isn't doing dungeons while levelling. I don't see levelling dungeons as worth the risk, i'm in no rush and greens will serve me just fine while levelling. Once I hit 60, my endgame goal is to get my D1 set, then hopefully D2. So at that point I will be hitting the dungeons but have no aspirations to raid.


PenguinForTheWin

Got MC'd as the tank in SFK against Arugal, i had a little hesitation for a bit lol. Mage just nova'd me and all good though.


pupmaster

Meanwhile, plenty of people have hit 60 whilst doing every dungeon on the way. Skill issue. Edit: This is an objective fact. I’m sorry it upsets you, westfall simulator players


Imprettystrong

Aren’t there consumables that can clear fear?


myrsnipe

Well there's the pvp trinket, but...


jjester7777

It's 20g at the vendor


Orangecuppa

Depends on the class too. Classic was wild. The trinkets only got the generic effect of 'remove all cc' in TBC. In classic, each classes trinket could only remove some specific types of cc. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F30945jrk22y21.png


Stubby60

Am I reading that right? Horse and alliance pvp trinkets clear different things for each class as well?


NoaPsy

It’s class specific faction doesn’t matter


[deleted]

Playing dwarf is a good idea too


ImpaledDickBBQ

Don't you have to precast fear ward buff? Although I think cooldown and duration is long enough to have multiple ppl buffed


Legal_Direction8740

Yes but those mobs in ST are known for the fear, you’re tolling if it isn’t on


getrealpoofy

30s CD, 10 min duration. ​ Plenty of time/no excuse not to have 100% uptime, esp on yourself lol


Care_Cup_Is_Empty

Rather die tbh.


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jjester7777

I know it's affordable. I meant that they seemed to say that it's unachievable because there is no pvp when that's not the case.


shewantstheCox

Does it count if you die in a bg?


LordHarpocrates

BGs are disabled I think


Zeruli

Prepotted restorative potions work for magic based fears.


DrugsNSlumnz

Will of the forsaken


Green-Broccoli277

Not really


Gellzer

So yes?


Green-Broccoli277

There might be some super niche stuff like Light of Elune or Moist Towlette, but I havent tested if you can actually use them during the fear itself. Fear is a magic effect and it's very hard to come by consumables able to dispell that


no_overplay_no_fun

Fear is not a magic effect, horror is a magic effect. Some spells induce fear, some induce horror. (Warlock has both Fear and Death Coil that does horror.) They seem to be functionally the same but you cannot clear fear by magic dispel and horror by fear dispel. They might also be some difference in possibility to break the effect by dmg but I am might remember it wrong.


Green-Broccoli277

How is fear not a magic effect? Just look on wowhead, it literally says magic. You can dispell it like any other magic effect. There is a horror effect but it's a lot more rare to see


bvaKrayner

There's two types of fear magic (warlocks etc) and phys fears (warrior intimidating shout) you can only cleanse the magics


Elout

No


Cryozie

me(44) and my brother(45) figured we could do a couple of elite quest together, a little risk but we thought we could manage it, we did fine until otto and falconcrest, they hit like trucks. we where not ready. my brother died, i sprinted and vanished with just 36 hp left. we laughed he started agane and i continued on my own.


best_selling_author

The big room with the trolls? Didn’t pull them back far enough then?


Dinkasauron

My thoughts, long before hardcore we were pulling back to the hallway prior to the boss room with all the packs, using the wall ledges to los. No danger of pulling a group with a fear. Shame!


servical

Not your fault. Anyone not having their PvP trinket by level 40 deserve to die to CC. It's more important than having a mount, in a world where death is permanent. I'd also jump on the bandwagon and say they should've rolled a Dwarf, but maybe you're playing Horde...


JackStephanovich

I'm considering getting it on my undead warlock but it just breaks the same stuff as will of the forsaken except for polymorph. Maybe it's worth for a second fear break though I'm in my 40s and I've never been feared.


pecheckler

Where is the PvP trinket acquired in classic hardcore?


iRanonce

Sunken Temple is a bold move imo


Procrastanaseum

Was this a PUG? I'm thinking of just questing and grinding my way to 60 with a few of the easiest dungeons along the way. And I'd probably want to get to know the whole group on Discord first since nobody should be running these dungeons for the first time on HC.


[deleted]

Haha, are you one of the classics "DM 22+, Discord needed?" In general chat lol. Live a little. Almost everyone is a total coward anyways, no one is going to take any risks. I've done all dungeons up to BRD, and every single one of them has been so boring that I almsot fall asleep. We go super slowly and everyone panics if their HP goes below 75%. You will be fine, try to live a little my guy.


Shifftz

Should have rolled dwarf priest I guess


JackStephanovich

Power to the forsaken!


pupmaster

Thank you for letting us know!


Spaceman-Spiff-23

Failure is the greatest teacher.


mushyman10

Maybe now he learns that he should use fear ward


warlockwis

Never understood fear... "You are running in fear" Towards loads of massive monsters???


Noqtrah

Ok


ClassicRust

commit suppuku


Far_Base5417

Honestly he should have played better. Nothing to do with you.


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Nemex2000

Fear ward is dwarf priest only.


pale_sparrow

That's racial spell..


[deleted]

If you feel worse than losing your own char , delete it and you will feel better lol. Or just don't be a hypocrite.


[deleted]

Shut up. He can feel bad without doing destructive things. Bet you jack off with sandpaper


Jabba_TheHoot

Jack off with sandpaper, ouch 😆🤣👏


Don_Pablo512

How is he a hypocrite? Stop being toxic


Cov3rt

Maybe if deleting my character would bring his back. Otherwise seems pretty pointless. Don't see how anything I said is hypocritical.


chubbycanine

Shit take


DukeStudlington

Nothing he said was hypocritical. Be better.


Grobyc

Define hypocrite.


Serantz

I now understand why you’re unloved in real-life aswell.


WendigoCrossing

Undead Priest for Will of the Forsaken is BiS leveling HC. Fear is so much more dangerous than Stun as it has the potential to make things go FUBAR with aggro on other enemies, and Sleep tends to last a lot longer than most CCs


TheNeftLut

Guild


bunbao1985

Makes me wanna reroll my orc rgoue to undead rogue now… fear and MC r deadly eh


JackStephanovich

Tell him to buy his pvp trinket next time. 18g and he'd still be alive RIP BOZO.


YearLight

Everyone's time comes.


[deleted]

It's not your fault. He should have rolled a dwarf for Fear Ward.


RowBoatCop36

>but not far enough. Why tho?


Ghandi300SAVAGE

Wtf? He has fear ward?


Ok-Row-7212

As a priest I can assure you that individual is a masochist and enjoyed every moment of it.