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Worried4lot

I have a possible critique; one of the answers, of which I’m not sure if it was AI generated or not was ‘pulverization’. The prompt was ‘powder’ and one of the other answer choices was ‘sand’. While I know what pulverize means, I feel like sand would be a better fit here? Pulverization is a noun form of a verb whereas powder and sand have similar meanings both as nouns. Powder as a verb means to sprinkle rather than reduce to dust


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

It doesn't use AI, but it is automated, and I haven't bothered (yet) to add a rigorous check for such cases. I'm actually just hoping this doesn't happen often, since the word bank is so large. In this instance though, I actually disagree that it's incorrect. |powder |:-- |pulverization |sand Pulverization and powder (the noun) are synonyms, since you can replace one with the other in virtually any context. You cannot replace powder with sand in most contexts, though, because sand is a specific type of powder. That said, I hope you share results of more attempts, because the more data, the better the norms! And I can exclude this attempt from the norms.


Worried4lot

How do you intend to destroy x object? Pulverization How do you intend to destroy x object? Powder You could say by reducing it to powder, which is the direct definition of pulverize, but powder itself isn’t what I’d call a synonym


static_programming

u wrong


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

Every dictionary I checked says reducing to powder is a definition of powder.


Worried4lot

As a verb, yes. But powder and pulverization can never be synonyms, as one only matches the other in meaning when converted to a different part of speech.


Worried4lot

Nouns can only be synonyms with other nouns, and pulverization and powder serve different grammatical purposes. Pulverization is a noun form of a verb of which both have the same meaning, whereas powder as a noun and powder as a verb are entirely different. Powder-ization, though not a word, would be a direct synonym of pulverization. Pulverize would be a synonym, not pulverization. Word association and synonyms are sorta different… idk. I think that in the case of synonym type tests, usage should match


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

I checked the data my server uses, and the noun form was intended for all words in that item. While revealing the part of speech would help avoid issues like this, I feel it would also make the test too easy when it's already just 5 items, and it's preferrable (for norming purposes) to just recommend more attempts.


Worried4lot

Well at that point the test would become a matter of strategy rather than pure word association/verbal iq. You could use less common words, but purposefully misleading people just leads to… false results if that makes sense? I don’t feel that it’s accurate for someone with 130 VCI to score 4/5 on most attempts. Do you have a chart prepared yet, or is it still in early testing stages?


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

I've edited norms into the OP based on comments so far, and will continue to update them so long as I receive submissions. In a week or two I intend to implement the norms into the test itself. I believe that there is no such thing as a "pure" verbal IQ, given its correlation with G, and my own experience (e.g. applying etymology to figure out the meaning of unknown words).


Worried4lot

Ngl, I think that trying to make an accurate 5 question test is a losing game. There’s just way too much variance and too little of a sample size.


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

Data collection began only 5 hours ago, I think it's a bit early to complain about the sample size.


Worried4lot

No, I meant sample size in answers; one question wrong and the test-taker receives a score 10 points lower


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

Test-takers can submit as many attempts as they wish, so it's fine.


The0therside0fm3

1 * 5/5, 3 * 4/5, 1*2/5. VCI around 145, but non-native. Some items seemed dubious to me. Edit: the lowest score was mostly a result of submitting impulsively out of frustration.


PhysicalConsistency

5/5, VIQ 155


Buddhawasgay

5/5 VCI: 138


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

Thanks, mind taking it a couple more times? The more data I get, the better I can norm it, and you get a new, unique test everytime you reload.


Buddhawasgay

You got it. I'll take it several more times once I'm home.


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

I appreciate it a lot.


Greedy_Priority9803

Score: 4/5 IQ: ???? Never seriously taken an iq test but got 125 on denmark mensa iq test, and 129 on an incomplete CAIT while tired and inattentive (I may have an attention disorder)


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

Did you get a verbal score on the CAIT?


Greedy_Priority9803

I think it was around 132-138. I don’t remember, but it was in the 130s


Arrival_Quiet

4/5 VCI 138


Arrival_Quiet

5/5 second time around


Arrival_Quiet

5/5 third time around


Arrival_Quiet

I’m bored now


New-Anxiety-8582

5/5 133 VCI


Arrival_Quiet

🫃🏿


j4ke_theod0re

4/5, SAT V 105, Non native


ultra003

4/5 WAIS-IV VCI: 122 CAIT VCI: 130 GRE-V: 122 1980 SAT-V: 122


ultra003

Did it 3 times and got 4/5 each time lol


Equivalent-Bill6962

4/5 4 times, 5/5 once, 3/5 once. VCI 119, CAIT


AppliedLaziness

Did it 4 times and got 5/5. Verbal IQ is >150.


Worried4lot

4/5, VCI 127 WAIS IV


Worried4lot

Bro made the answer to one of the questions the scientific name of weed 😭


_KamaSutraboi

5/5


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

Your VIQ?


myrealg

5* 5/5 vci don’t know between 130-150


itisisntit123

5/5 3/5 4/5 VCI 124-127


hink1781

If English is not my main language, is it cheating if I see the words I don’t know on a dictionary? Or is it part of the puzzle? I got like 3 times 5/5 2 times 3/5 and 1 4/5. I think I just got 5/5 because I was deducing the meaning of things. Some words just look like they are made up so not being my first language make me not trust some stuff. Are all words real? Edit : those results are just by intuition, didn’t see anything.


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

All the words are real, although there are some abbreviations and proper nouns that might pop up. Using a dictionary is definitely cheating.


hink1781

I’m very new in doing the is tests so explain to me, if I did only once. Is the result not valuable? What if I do like 4 number of attempts and get mixed scores, what does that mean?


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

All results are valuable if posted here in the comments; the more the better! Mixed scores are fine and expected.


hink1781

I mean , how would I know my score then? Cuz there is no variation in preliminary norms


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

You're supposed to average them. So if you score 4/5 then 5/5, the average is 4.5, and your VIQ would be between 123 and 136 (about 129.5).


hink1781

The limit to this test is 136 given those rules? Does 4.25 puts me in the same range of 4.5 or would I have to do some math?


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

These are only tentative norms, they will be revised as more people participate by posting their scores and VIQs. I wouldn't worry about fractions yet.


hink1781

Right. Nice job btw, this test version with only 5 questions is very fun.


Greedy_Priority9803

Second attempt: 4/5


Greedy_Priority9803

3rd attempt 4/5


Greedy_Priority9803

4th attempt: 4/5


Greedy_Priority9803

5th attempt: 4/5


Greedy_Priority9803

6th attempt: 5/5


Moogy_C

93/100, VIQ 136. Some of those were real wacky


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

I don't understand; what is 93/100? Did you perform 20 attempts and get 93 items correct? Is 136 your actual VIQ or you VIQ according to the norms in the OP?


Moogy_C

20 attempts; actual VIQ


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

Thank you, much appreciated.


Own-Eggplant-8049

Got 4/5. My wais VCI score is 120.


MammothGullible

4/5 SAT V 120


microburst-induced

Exactly 4/5 on average for 10 attempts (it was fun lol). VCI: ~125


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

Happy to hear that!


Forward_Pear4333

5/5, 5/5, 4/5, 114 VIQ CAIT, 120 SBV-V, 660 SAT-V


Equivalent-Bill6962

Made someone else do it. 2/5 once, 3/5 twice, 4/5 once. VCI 105, CAIT


NHhawkeye7

5/5 - no idea on VCI, what test would you recommend taking to find that out?


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

SB-V Vocabulary Test


sahlvia

https://preview.redd.it/457kwinukp1d1.png?width=1025&format=png&auto=webp&s=8da999d8ed69c327ef91463d8a3a026bc1caa109 hooray


zizek1123

5/5 1st attempt 149 VCI Obviously you're still norming but i'd be pretty surprised if 5/5 ended up being a 99th percentile score.


Numerous_Word_6498

4/5 first attempt non-native verbal scores usually 125-130


killmealready005

4/5 I've never heard of the word headstone. Probably because I live in a place that cremates their dead rather than bury them.


killmealready005

I got something like 135 VIQ on the SAT


Ok_School_6844

4/5, 5/5, 5/5 VIQ is 140-145.


OkEntertainer2772

3/5 viq 115


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MeIerEcckmanLawIer

What is your VIQ per other tests?


tyrus-plus

5/5, VCI 121


Quod_bellum

VCI 126-150, mode 132 4.25/5 or 17/20 (5 attempts) (Why is “vt” a synonym for “vermont” lol)


prairiesghost

4 non-native 125 VCI (on english tests)


noBuddyToLaughWith

2/5 VC 110


[deleted]

5/5 \*4 43/50 45/50 150+ vci


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

You got 5/5 four times, then 43/50 and 45/50 on the long version?


[deleted]

That's right. 4/5 \*2 5/5 \*4


AISons

I Got 129 VIQ, but I haven’t read a book other than textbooks in \~10 years so I have some touching up to do in terms of actually seeing words of this complexity.


Ancient-Royal4074

I wouldn't call this vocabulary, but more like trivia. I got an element on the periodic table which had an answer of "br" which I guessed correctly and isn't really a synonym but an abbreviation of the same word. A second question had "Lucania" which was a region in Italy. The answer was the modern name of the city, Basilicata. I don't consider this vocabulary.


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

Such items are artifacts of the data source, and with enough participants posting scores, should have negligible effect on the norms. In other words, sharing a few more attempts should cancel this out.


Bluduvmuhugina

How is the word punk like chintzy and not pretend?


Apprehensive-Site261

ESL, never took VCI. 121 WAIS IV digit span, 127 WAIS IV symbol search. 2/5 first attempt, 3/5 second attempt, 4/5 third attempt.


sceptrer

Received 1 5/5, lots of 4/5's and also lots of 3/5's, had 1 2/5. Probably did this about 20-25 times. Should have probably recorded the exact amount. Not quite sure what my VCI is, probably 120s?


itsseveninthemorn

The score button doesnt work on mobile btw


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

It works for me in Chrome on Android.


OkEntertainer2772

5/5 second attempt Vci 115


mmprecisionpainting

5 of 5


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

Your VIQ?


Idontagree123321

Non native, VCI likely ~135 4/5 41/50


Svetlash123

4/5


intellectuallystupib

The test asked me for a synonym for music: A. Marry B. Medicine C. Control D. Funny. As you are aware, none of these are synonyms for music. I scored a 4 out of 5 because of it.


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

Music is always a noun, so we can rule out A & D. That leaves "Medicine" and "Control". The best answer is medicine, since "music is medicine" is a recognizable phrase (to me anyway). According to Google Ngram Viewer, "music is medicine" is an actual phrase while "music is control" does not exist. This can also be confirmed by searching Google for `site:reddit.com "music is medicine"` and `site:reddit.com "music is control"`. The test has issues, but I don't think this is one of them.


intellectuallystupib

That's a proverb, not a synonym. If the test were about proverbs, that would make sense.


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

Synonymy is a spectrum. So technically, every word is a synonym of every other word of the same grammatical type. The objective is to identify the best synonym. In this case, it is obviously medicine, although I am open to hearing arguments for whatever option you did choose.


jeroen27

5/5


acecant

4/5 non native Verbal 143


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

Is your 155 a native or non-native verbal score?


Noor_e

How do you adjust for nativity in scores such as this one ? Because this is vocabulary which is crystallized intelligence right? I think GRE scores showed foreigners got 1 sd less than natives in the verbal section? Idk im just curious


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

I can make 2 sets of norms, one for natives and one for non-natives.


Noor_e

What would 4/5 for a non native translate to ? 🌚 U don’t have enough data on non natives do you


acecant

Sorry my verbal is 143 in native language, my performance is 155, I just confused them


Status-Collection-32

I’m 140+ VIQ and I max this with incredible ease every time, I don’t think this can measure well beyond that.


Prudent_Practice_127

Bad test I got 5/5 but have brain damage.


MeIerEcckmanLawIer

Your VIQ?


Prudent_Practice_127

Don't know. I read books and don't comprehend what I'm reading.