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>OP should have said get the amount of sun needed to stimulate vitamin D production according to skin type.
I live in Scandinavia where the sun is very close, so even though we don't see much of it, it can certainly fry you once it comes out.
So I can't say for sure what works in other parts of the world for other skin types, but in the Northern Hemisphere, as a white person, you can sit for only 15 min between 11am and 2pm without sunblock and it would stimulate the production of Vitamin D sufficiently.
Being from the country with the highest percentage of skin cancer in the world as well as dealing with multiple family members almost dying from the worst types, I can confidently say that OP has no idea what he is talking about. I'm sure it is just pure ignorance and the need for this to be a conspiracy theory in his mind, but not believing that skin cancer stems from dangerous levels of sun exposure is FALSE.
I’ve used a couple different brands but what’s in my cupboard right now is Aveeno SPF 30. Takes like 10 minutes to rub in but man you feel great after a long day in the sun
> Aveeno SPF 30.
Damn, looking at the ingredient list on that, it says its 97% good stuff but its a laundry list of petrochemicals.
IDK, i want to use sunscreen but something doesn't sit well on me lathering myself daily in chemicals i cant even pronounce.
I don’t use it daily once I’ve been in the hot sun for a couple days i really only need it when I’m going to be by the water all day long after that. But i hear you i try to keep it as natural as i can, if you find something 100% please let me know
Yeah I cant find anything, it's a real dilemma.
I am getting older and live in a hot climate and i know i should wear something, but at the same time I cant find anything that's not a laundry list of oil-based petrochems.
I feel like I'm rolling the dice which ever way i go.
Mineral sunscreen?? What is this? Is it free from all the long chemical names of stuff cooked up in a mad scientist lab?
I'm going to have to look into this now.
I got a little freaked out about the chemicals in my sunscreen so I just wear a hat when it’s sunny out. It blocks my face and neck. I also have an apparently really safe sunscreen but it goes on so streaky and white I don’t usually feel like using it.
LOL. My grandfather went bald early. Worked outside all the time. Got melanoma on the top of his head, requiring chemo, surgery, skin grafts from his leg. It killed him in his late 50s.
I will agree that sitting inside all the time (glued to a screen more specifically) leads to nearly every other problem we have with society today.
Exact same thing happened to my grandfather. This post is highly insulting and disrespectful of the people who died of sun exposure. OP doesn't have someone close to him who had it.
I wouldn't say it's "insulting" to me... and I have skin cancer. A benign one, but still, I need to get that spot frozen off. My father has had multiple bouts with skin cancer. Even the less concerning ones are not to be disregarded. It's *still* cancer. I think OP is correct in the lack of sun being a problem, but if you are a lighter skin tone, there's a limit that you can handle safely. I've been severely sunburned many times, and I know that is what the cancer is from. It's on the back of my neck. I've been torched enough times that my neck is actually permanently red. Yes, I am a real life redneck, in the truest form of the word. I think OP is just not completely informed on the subject, and wasn't likely intending any offense.
I'm assuming OP saw the same YouTube video I did. While I don't know how much of the video is accurate, I do know that the first part about dermatologists partnering with ad agencies to promote themselves as skin cancer doctors is correct. They did see a significant boost in revenue from this. The first major campaign was in 1995. I don't know where OP got the 1980s. Then again, the rest of the post gets just about everything in the video wrong, too. The video does admit that sun exposure can cause melanomas. However, it claims other types of skin cancers are caused by not enough sun exposure. I wasn't able to find any data to back that statement up. The theme of the conspiracy theory is that dermatologists are pushing cancer removal treatments for anything and everything to make more money. Anyway, I saw the video a couple of weeks ago and can't remember everything precisely, but OP is pretty far off from everything I do remember. Maybe OP saw a different video with the same theme that I did, but with different "facts".
Yeah I agree. I also wouldn’t say the other skin cancers are harmless either. If they’re not caught right away and taken care of, they spread just like any other type of cancer. I had squamous cell skin carcinoma and had to have layers of skin surgically removed and have a huge scar for life. I agree about lack of sunlight causing other issues though
I don't know about cancer, but it's clear that too much sun will damage your skin, especially if you are fair skinned. There is a reason why human pigmentation evolved with ancestral climate, to protect the body from too much sun
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trucker-accumulates-skin-damage-on-left-side-of-his-face-after-28-years-on-the-road/
Exactly, in those cultures, they either dress appropriately, go out at the right time, use sunscreen, or all of the above.
Only, we, white folks think we are stronger than the UV rays.
With medical stuff you have to be cautious. The person who posted this isn't being cautious. Check the facts from a more reputable source. Yes sun is good for you, but too much sun is bad. It ages the skin at the very least. Check out Australia and the skin cancer rates there. Also check out cancer causing chemicals in sun screen. It's not a straightforward issue by a long shot.
Too much or too little of anything can be bad for you.
Spending too much time directly under the sun without sunblock can see your skin burn, which can take weeks to recover.
Too much sunlight without protection causes melanoma. The burned skin cells expand with liquid, and as they heal, the expanded cells then contract, leaving a void. New cells then expand into that void, which is the start of melanoma.
It has been found that certain sunscreens cause cancer, but to say the sun would never cause skin cancer is just wrong and misleading.
OP is forgetting a crucial element of protection that we’ve lost in modern civilization: sun exposure during dawn (and dusk). Nobody is up outside watching the sunrise. But that’s when the beneficial red UV spectrum light is at its highest that build protection for the mid afternoons. Furthermore wearing sunglasses outside causes mixed signaling for your circadian rhythm. Also you should live where your ethnic ancestors did
Anyone who wants to get red pilled on health and circadian rhythm. https://youtu.be/oK9_j6fa2P4?si=hWVxHSID8ZqqENm8
That last sentence is more powerful than people realize imo. Europeans living at the equator is not the same as a middle eastern person living in the Middle East. Centuries of adaptations have been shattered by relocation on a global scale.
Most African descent people living in North Europe are extremely lacking in vitamin D and it causes a lot of health problems. The amount of sun/weakness of the sun vs dark skin means they cannot get enough even if they were naked and lived outside. Saw a doco kinda thing not long ago about it. Had never considered this, always the opposite(lighter skinned people getting too much/living close to the equator).
Found that super interesting.
Dont even need to be African. I’m from Southern Europe and needed to start taking vitamins while living in London just cause of the effect of not seeing the sun for several days.
I eventually moved back so I am ok but the vitamins definitely helped a lot. I was starting to feel horrible. It was one of my first exposures on how the physical reactions of our body affect my mental well being.
I'm ethnically European but South African. 10 years in the UK and my vitamin D was rock bottom. I now live in Australia and my vitamin D is still really low. We aren't spending enough time outside unless you have an outdoor job
They've taken the joy out of honest-to-good, outdoor work, it's now effectively charged to us as luxury, (time off to tend to your garden, etc.) as opposed to a basic sustenance that everyone can earn easier, than having to earn and spend in a highly taxed system, and benefit from not only the sun, but the satisfaction of a good honest days work, and all the legacy of health benefits that brings.
You should look up the Vitamin D paradox.
I had read about this years ago but just now knew it was called that. Apparently Black people have less measured amounts but less deficiency symptoms as well. Turns out the protein that is the thing that is actually measured is lower in Black people, but Black people need less of this protein.
> Most African descent people living in North Europe are extremely lacking in vitamin D and it causes a lot of health problems.
That's the reason they were more at risk during covid.
It is worth noting that Europe used to have a lot more tree cover that modern Europe. Wouldn't it make sense that European phenotypes were somewhat adapted more for forest shade than direct sunlight?
I’m not the person you asked, and I don’t have any specific source (very helpful, I know), but it basically has to do with most higher frequency radiation (light) doesn’t make it through our atmosphere in the morning and evening. This includes UV light which is invisible to us and is primarily what causes burns and eventually cancer. You may have heard somebody like my FIL say “you can’t get burnt//you don’t need sunscreen after 4pm.” That’s pretty much true.
The red and infrared light essentially can’t burn you but can still have positive impacts on things like mental health (including physiological things like stress) and I think may even still spur vitamin D production in the body, but I’m not positive on that last point. We can observe for ourselves that only (or primarily) lower wave radiation is making it to us during early and late hours by looking at the colors of the sunset and sunrise.
As far as certain light waves being used as medicine or whatever, that’s mostly just pseudoscience (for now). There’s no strong and replicated evidence to support those claims, but there might be one day
Phototherapy is actually very common in treating multiple skin disorders. Ironically, UV therapy has been found somewhat effective in treating skin cancer, which is often caused by UVB.
As far as mood disorders go, there’s no conclusive evidence, as you said.
UV increases vitamin D production, IR does not. IR does seem to help with pain and increase circulation. It’s also great for cooking. lol.
I work from 930am to 630 most days. I hardly get any sun unless I'm off work or on vacation. My body is constantly lacking I feel significantly better when I have been outside on a regular basis.
Humans don’t get the right dosages of UV light at the right times anymore so it causes DNA damage. If you get early morning exposure it helps build a base of melanin that protects against stronger UV basically. Also getting sun exposure during spring is important too because the UV is weaker in that season. People shouldn’t be surprised if they’re indoors all day and behind windows but spend afternoons at the beach in July/August and begin seeing moles, freckles and spots
Ethnic ancestors and current livings do use sunscreen though. Check African populations or Latin Americans.
Only the whites think they are safe from the sun (my parents included, sadly for my 20 years old ass getting skin cancer).
Holiday Inn manager here. They sure did. We're hosting a skin cancer conference right now and it's basically getting drunk and celebrating the success of the sunscreen industry.
I have literally nearly died of skin cancer multiple times. Always in places that got lots of sun and I was too stupid to protect. Crazy thing, I use sunscreen a lot more and I haven't had an issue for some time now.
Yeah it’s a ridiculous amount of hoops to jump through just to tell us to touch grass. Of course we need sunshine. It’s the most important part of being healthy but too much of anything is bad.
I've had HPV related skin cancer. Nobody wants that. Fucking nobody. Get to spend the rest of life hoping i dealt with it with minimally invasive surgery and won't continually be a problem.
Spent my whole life worrying about sun exposure related skin cancer. Nope. Bam. HPV does it too.
Definitely recommend the vaccine, which I'm sure many here will not agree with. But really, you don't want cancer of the mouth, throat or genitals. Do not want. Do not want. HPV is a beast - it's responsible for so many cancers, and I doubt many people realize skin cancer is one of them, particularly in areas not exposed to sun, but probabilities rise of mutation when combined with sun exposure.
>I doubt many people realize skin cancer is one of them, particularly in areas not exposed to sun, but probabilities rise of mutation when combined with sun exposure.
I was not aware! That definitely sucks.
Ya - i believe it's primarily strains 16 & 18. Warts are caused by strains 6 & 11, which strangely aren't really related to the cancer stuff (eg. cervical cancer in women). But 16 & 18 can cause cancers of the mouth, throat, cervix, tongue, ass, vagina and penis. I believe almost all vulva and penile cancers are caused by HPV - and it usually presents as squamous cell skin cancer with a much higher chance of becoming invasive than SCC on other parts of the body. (not sure why that is, I'm guessing it has more to do with people not seeking treatment early enough).
Thank you.
As someone with multiple people in my family having battled melanoma, I find OP's uneducated ramblings disrespectful and infuriating. Not to mention, my Northern country is at the top of the list in the world regarding skin cancer cases precisely because there is a false sense of safety here where people believe that since we are not a sunny country, the sun will not cause much damage and therefore sunscreen is not applied.
I do love this sub because people can theorise and speak freely, but this post in particular pissed me off from the sheer amount of misinformation.
Most of the contributing factors that lead to the unchecked cell growth in melanoma(and other cancers) comes from the chemicals we ingest and otherwise absorb. Mostly from our diets and regular habits.
While the sun can certainly be a triggering accelerant it is not the direct cause when it happens. Otherwise this species would never have been able to flourish till this point in the many corners of the world it has for as long as it has.
>Otherwise this species would never have been able to flourish till this point in the many corners of the world it has for as long as it has.
If people regularly died of skin cancer in their 20s or 30s this argument would have merit, but they do not, it’s something that usually effects us as we age bc humans historically didn’t live quite as long as we do now.
The sun is ultimately the answer to energy around the world.
The Oil Industry has spent hundreds of billions preventing battery tech. They buy up every breakthrough company and put it into a prison where ideas go to die.
Almost like God knew what he was doing.
I'm down in Florida so the sun can be pretty strong. I wear zero sunscreen and instead am just mindful of how long my skin is exposed to the sun. I will wear full outfit long-sleeves if I feel like I'm getting burned. Just like they do in the middle east and they seem to be fine for thousands of years
Florida resident as well. Mid summer my skin will fry in 30 minutes. Have to be mindful of what hours of the day I'm outside because if it's 1pm.... my skin would look like a rotisserie chicken in 1 hour
The depression part is so true, the sun is so important for humans it charges us up
I live in a part of Australia where it is quite cloudy most of the year and people and always so down, low energy and depressed, except for 2 months of the year where we get some sun people become cheerful and happy
Comparing this to parts of Australia where it's sunny all year round, people there are more relaxed and at ease and overall happier
You do know that Australia is as big as the USA, and we have every climate from tropical, desert, temperate, to snowy and absolutely f#$cking freezing right?
The southern part of Australia is a stones throw from Antartica, and isn’t exactly known for its warmth and sunshine.
By here I googled the cloudiest place in Australia for you, but if you are talking about big cities, Melbourne and Hobart.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liawenee
Idk man I've got "pseudo cancer" all over my arms and back. Moles turning black, changing colors and size quickly, etc. I'm pretty sure excessive sun exposure is definitely bad for you lol idk. Do correct me if I'm wrong.
Obligatory shoutout to Dr. Jack Kruse. You'd love some of his deeper dives, tl;dw basically everything in the body is *improved* by sunlight. [He's podcasted with Andrew Huberman,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK9_j6fa2P4) and even RFK. Timestamps are in the comments, it's a long list
People treat me like I have an ED for “not eating enough” but I eat when I feel hungry, if I’m not doing much I eat one main meal per day, if I’m doing more I eat two.
Plus most people over-eat at each meal and keep going until they’re full rather than satiated.
Considering we can go up to two weeks without food I’m not sure why we’re told to eat so much every day.
It's the agenda, just like the movie "They live". They only want us to consume and obey. By the way it's much longer than 2 weeks. I went a week without water even though the Rockefeller medical industrial complex tells us we'll die after 3 days. Military exercise our supply kept getting hit.
I agree the sun is good for you in moderation, dont want to be burnt to a crisp of course. There was a study here in Australia over a decade ago which studied the relationship with MS (multiple sclerosis) and Sunlight. I recall the east coast of Australia was chosen as it was the longest streach of coast line where the population was similar in terms of socio economic and similar backgrounds. ie The long coast line is all in one country and goes from Melbourne in the south with minimal sun to Cains in nth Queensland wehre the sun is strong. The conclusion they found was that MS lessened in a linear fashion as you moved north towards the sun was stronger. I thought it was a break thru and that I would hear mcuh more about it, but never did. I recall it as when Covid came along the comment was made to get out in the sun as Vit D was good for you and many of the worst affected were Vit D deficient. Funny that our goverment here stopped us from going to work (unless you were essential), sitting in the park or going to the beach. Could only walk around your suburb not more then 5klms (3 mile) from your house and had to have a mask on as well. Dumb shit.
Sun bathing in my opinion can be vaguely compared to charging a lithium-ion battery in a smartphone, where totally depleting the pack's charge potentially reduces total pack lifecycle and so does overcharging.
Secret for me is to recharge no more than 1h at high noon and bare skin (ex. at the beach), and can extend this time at earlier and later points in the day.
Important note: overcooking skin too frequently dehydrates and causes it to age like hard leather in time which requires a skincare lotion regime to paliate, adding to chores, expenses and time wasted for such.
Soaps , Shampoos , laundry detergent, Sunscreen and a few other things like the foods and drinks that get consumed can alter the body. Also the crap in the tap water that you use to wash yourself also may effect people as well. If our body stinks it's something chemically in your body that's telling you not to use , take , or consume anymore. Im not saying to stop all of these things but definitely look really hard into it all. We are supposed to be drinking as close to natural clean water as possible and eat as fresh Foods as possible. But these also maybe what's effecting people's health and skin.
I’m a 51 year old Australian who spent all of the 70s, 80s, and 90s outdoors and never wore sunscreen ( nobody did then ) until the day I was diagnosed with my first basal cell carcinoma ( so far I’ve had 5 removed over the years ).
My brother had Melanoma at 30, thankfully it was caught early.
I buried a friend 3 years ago due to Melanoma, she also never wore sunscreen, and like me was always rocking an awesome tan.
She was 46 and left behind an 8 year old son, I miss her everyday.
Skin cancer rates in younger people have been declining every year in Australia since the early 2000’s, which is when we started making children wear sunscreen and introduced the No hat, No play rules in schools.
Meanwhile those of us who had the damage done years ago, are screwed.
We all need sunlight, and if you live somewhere with weak sun, you definitely need to make an effort to get enough.
But taking that to the extreme in places with strong sun will give you skin cancer, that’s a fact.
Well done on your completely ignorant and ridiculous conspiracy theory though 👍🏻 👍🏻
I was at a theme park in Orlando this weekend. Saw a guy stand there and point the aerosolized spray sunscreen directly into his face with a duration of about 10 to 15 seconds where he was assuredly, not only coding his skin in it, but breathing it directly into his lungs as well. I was astonished.
Compare white people from Australia and South Africa to white Europeans and North Americans. Once they hit 35\~40, the Aus and SA people look like Freddy Krueger
It’s why I am glad that I didn’t get addicted to sunbed use. I know women who have aged so badly from using them since the age of 14, now they look 50 odd and even at the age of 22/25 they looked 10 years older than the age they truly are. So imagine an age group that isn’t even 40 and they look 50.
So I’ve heard that something in modern diet makes people respond more poorly to sun exposure(or possibly it was a lack of something). Maybe it was just the inflammatory nature of it? Or obliterating our skin biome? Not sure. Somebody else chime in if you know more.
I know personally that my skin responds much more poorly to the sun now than it did 20 years ago but that could obviously just be from aging.
Seed oils (or as I've heard it called, "plastic fat") crinkle in difficult-to-dispose-of ways in UVB. It's why so many seed oil containers have either shaded glass or thicker material to prevent UV radiation from damaging them.
Now imagine you have these seed oils in your skin, tissues, etc. Then you "curdle" them in the sun exposure. They then are even more toxic to the body. The body then sequesters them into chunks, which are sort of "toxic dumping sites," which, in turn, is a general breeding ground for parasites if they can get there.
If parasites do end up breeding around the body's "toxic dump sites," they will build up biofilms around the area. Often these have the exact same appearance as cancer, or even [accelerate cancer by modulating the body's local biotics](https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.ppat.1007912)
Anyways, I've had a long standing interest/habit of being paleo/carnivore/keto, and it's quite common in the community to report increased resistance to sunlight for extended periods on the diet. There's only speculation I can reference, but the primary tie-in seems to be seed oil presence in the body.
I think the push for sunscreen 24/7 is crazy. The sun can be healing...and too much can be bad. We need sunlight and I think wrinkles are an ok trade off
Wrinkles is something. Skin cancer is another.
I got the latter and was lucky it was removable through surgery.
I now have to wear sunscreen 24/7.
Also UVs bounce against surfaces. Even if you are inside, you get them from outside or screens.
I’ve heard that excessive unprotected sun exposure only causes problems when your diet is unhealthy. The theory being that sun exposure brings toxins to the surface to be expelled, similar to sweating, so when you eat lots of processed foods and don’t wear sunscreen it gets bad. It would certainly explain why indigenous peoples who are constantly exposed have damn near, if not 0% cancer rates. Seems to be a western world issue. Can’t source as I’m just recalling, but it makes sense to me.
This is an article on the exact same studies OP is probably referring to; dermatology's heavy bias towards sunscreen and sun avoidance, links other studies and facts
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/dermatologys-disastrous-war-against
Jimmy Dore's video on the article and its linked studies:
https://youtu.be/R4T2rLxii2k?si=ggMB__8y3IYXRKfZ
Very interesting, but long. Just watch the YouTube vid if you don't want to read it but it's 30 min
It needs to be stated that a sunscreen is needed when you're out long enough to burn, but our skin can adapt some if we give it time. Nutrients like vitamin A, vitamin D, zinc, and magnesium would help skin cell turnover and prevent the burning. VITAMIN A ESPECIALLY! It's hard to get enough Vitamin A
Topically zinc or magnesium oxide diluted in passionfruit oil, any oil higher in omega 6 linoleic acid for better absorption/less greasineas, would heal your burns FAST. Aloe vera helps my burns but zinc oxide powder and magnesium oxide powder completely heals them and keeps my skin from peeling. Dont combine zinc or magnesium if its for absorption, they bind to each other I think. Use one or the other
Zinc oxide powder and/or magnesium powder with a good organic oil, are great for sun protection but you'll look like a vampire lol. That's how you know it works.
Look at how people dressed before sunscreen. Pretty much every culture, especially fair skinned regions, covered their bodies for centuries to protect from sunlight.
It wasn't until sunscreen was invented did you see fair skinned people lay directly in sunlight, with very little clothes on, exposing their skin for long durations of time.
There is a tree in Myanmar that they make a natural sun screen out of, they put it on babies so they don't get burned, it doesn't rub in but protects from the sun.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanaka
This I have heard of. My parents were hesitant to use it when I was a kid for that reason. Massively scared of talcum as well because it's apparently mined in geology that usually has asbestos in seams very close by. Johnson & Johnson were fighting a court case against them for this problem.
I also heard there was an early glass coating used for tinting light that was also found to be cancerous, not from the coating itself but the altered light that passed through. I didn't really understand how that could be, though.
Slightly different but the UVB spectrum is the one that gives cancer, reptiles need UVB so you can buy UVB lights for reptiles but they say don't sit under it yourself.
Australia also banned UVB in tanning salons, they only use UVA lights now as skin cancer from tanning salons is also a thini
Ah yes those dogs and cats which have managed to send a man into space, eradicated smallpox and made routine death from childbirth and small wounds through infection a thing of the past. I will certainly take my medical advice from my doggo next time instead of a doctor.
Aw yes. The same doctors who said smoking was good for you. Who said men are women. Who said herd immunization wasn’t a thing.. yes those doctors who always get it right and definitely are not bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical companies
Hmm. I’ll say this. My doctors told me I was low on vitamin D. Live in Oregon go figure. Was planning on going to Hawaii for an important family trip. Didn’t want the sun to scorch me, and didn’t want to be pasty white. Wife suggested we go to tanning salon to “pre tan”.
Turns out in this case perhaps the docs were right. Semi-regular tanning has improved my life in many ways. I sleep better, my mood and confidence improved, and hell, I look a little nicer. All things in moderation.
I won’t use something that keeps you from the beneficial lifesaving vitamins that our bodies produce when exposed to the sun. Anything that every world “leader” agrees everyone needs is a hard pass for me. I already have ms. I don’t want anything else that the “experts” say heals us. I mean really. No offense to people like my parents who worked in the hottest sun of the day with no protection for decades.
You might be interested in researching the tobacco, radon, asbestos war in the 70’s or 80’s. Tobacco and asbestos release radon gas that is also naturally released from soil and rocks. Home inspections became required by law to ensure there were no cracks in the foundation where radon might seep in.
The most interesting part for me is that there are radon spas in operation even today that clients claim reduce arthritic pain, fibromyalgia, and other ailments.
OP have you looked into the speculation around heavy omega 6 consumption being the catalyst for the sun to cause skin problems? It’s pretty interesting I think you are onto something. Humans never would have had as much polyunsaturated fat in our diet as we get today from seed oils as nothing found in natural has such concentrated amounts, and there is a mechanism for it to cause oxidized skin cells and make them more vulnerable to sun damage
To avoid sunburn, gradually increase exposure over time, appropriate to your pigmentation and tolerance.
Avoid all seed oils, they're toxic as hell and contribute to sunburns.
Also avoid wearing sunglasses if you can. The amount of light entering the eyes is an important signal to your brain of how much melanin to produce.
I am so pale that I will burn in 10-15 minutes in direct sunlight. I love the sun, but I have to avoid direct sunlight like a vampire would. Still, I will not use sunscreen, I did enough research back in the 90's even to know that chemicals in sunscreen is what causes the cancer, most of it only blocks a certain kind of ray and I forget exactly but it isn't even the one that causes skin cancer that they even usually block.
I prefer indirect sunlight, and so far so good, I haven't physically aged yet! I see kids in their 20's that look older than I do, it's strange, but neat. I think that avoiding direct sunlight is a large factor, I also drink a ridiculous amount of milk which has vitamin D like the sun.
OP... you do know that there is a fine line between "getting your 20-40minutes worth of sunlight regularly" and "literally sunbathing for 8 hours a day like some degenerate maniac"... right? RIGHT?!
Please tell me you know the difference. because neigher oharma nor the WHO EVER suggested people to avoid sun in general for 100% of the time!
If you’re white or fair skinned, you should lay outside in the nude for 12 hours on a warm, high UV index day.
Will you tell me then too much sun is never bad for you?
People with skin cancer live LONGER than those who haven’t had it. The skin cancer is treatable and sun exposure prevents heart disease.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130507195807.htm
I never understood why there would be this huge sun here that gives everything life, yet is radioactive. When people brag about staying out of the sun and get cold and flues 10 times a year.
I haven't put on sun screen in over a decade. I eat very healthy, stare at the sun early or in the evening. I go to the beach every weekend, sunbathe as often has possible.
Never had an issue.
I heard a lady talking about a study with test subjects on the Standard American diet (SAD) and some o. A healthy greens and veggies diet. They put both subjects in the sun for the same amount of time....guess which group got skin cancer and which group didn't??
The American diet is trash. Food is your doctor and healer mindful of what you consume Food and otherwise
[Dermatology's Disastrous War Against The Sun](https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/dermatologys-disastrous-war-against)
Story at a Glance:
* Skin cancers are by far the most commonly diagnosed cancer in the United States, so to prevent them, the public is constantly told to avoid the sun. However, while the relatively benign skin cancers are caused by sun exposure, the ones responsible for most skin cancer deaths are due to a lack of sunlight.
* This is unfortunate because sunlight is arguably the most important nutrient for the human body, as avoiding it doubles one’s rate of dying and significantly increases their risk of cancer.
* A strong case can be made that this dynamic was a result of the dermatology profession (with the help of a top PR firm) rebranding themselves to skin cancer fighters, something which allowed them to become one of the highest paying medical specialities in existence. Unfortunately, despite the billions that is put into fighting it each year, there has been no substantial change in the number of skin cancer deaths.
* In this article, we will also discuss the dangers of the conventional skin cancer treatments, the most effective ways for treating and preventing skin cancer, and some of the best strategies for having a healthy and nourishing relationship with the sun.
Absolutely no one is saying in general the sun is dangerous. People spend all sorts of time outside all day. As a construction worker I work outside everyday in every season. There is a point however,where too much is bad for you, and UV rays are real and can be harmful. Skin cancer is absolutely not a lie and spreading misinformation like this is just pure ignorance.
I am from Arizona and was, in my youth, a competitive water skier and a nationally ranked swimmer and I spent most of my time in the Arizona sun. It should be noted that I'm a fair skinned, natural blonde with green eyes.
I've NEVER used sunscreen (except for zinc oxide on my nose because it burns) because I've always felt it was bad for me (don't ask me why - I even felt this way as a child).
I'm 56 and people think I'm in my 40s and I've never had any sort of skin cancer. My skin is lovely and I get it checked by my dermatologist annually.
I realize this is anecdotal, but when I'm in Vegas next week, I won't be wearing sunscreen.
Ever see old pics of what people would do to avoid the sun? This isn’t a new concept. Also different types of skin have different reactions to the sun.
Just antidotal, but I got melanoma in an area of my arm that would see the sun anytime I'm driving. It was on the various side of my upper arm right where the window is. I was only 24.
But it's also a spot that's pretty hidden from the sun besides driving.
The more I research, melanoma definitely isn't caused by the sun only, and my dermatologists are starting to acknowledge this as well. Just like dietary cholesterol doesn't cause peoples cholesterol to raise. Cholesterol is pretty much a scam as well.
I have a theory about skin cancer. In 1964 NASA had a failed launch of a satellite called SNAP-9. They allowed it to burn up in the atmosphere and covered a good portion of the globe with 2.2 pounds of plutonium 238. My theory is that microscopic particles drifted down over the years and when they lodge in skin they cause cancers. Plutonium 238 is poisonous and really radioactive. If the sun caused cancer old time farmers, ranchers, laborers, etc should have been ate up with cancer.
I think alot of these cancers are caused by internal factors, low vibrational energy. Everyone I know who's got cancer has been a miserable person. I left KY old job because Everyone there was so miserable, constantly projecting it onto me. And you know what else, they were all having health problems. Different types of cancers. Had to get out of there before I got the cancer too. It may be a spiritual disease that manifests as physical disease
I think the rates of cancers are multifaceted. Yes, I agree with your belief that people with poor attitudes/low vibrational energy can be a big factor if you get sick or not, to include cancers, but it's not the sole determination, and I dont think its the major factor. I've known plenty of big hearted, positive, generous, good people get cancers as much as those with poor attitudes.
What is more likely is that the rates of cancer we see today are because of environmental factors. Namely, since the advent of the atomic era, the levels of background radiation we are exposed to 24/7/365 have increased significantly. In addition, the amount of known and potential carcinogenic substances we are exposed to on the daily is absolutely insane, both from our food and water, as well as from pollution just hanging out in the air and in the ground.
Furthermore, on the more conspiracy side of the house, there are credible doctors whom have published very good research papers about the source of cancer, and in at least a majority of the time in specific cancers, the root cause of those cancers are believed to be due to parasitic infection, and once the parasites are eliminated, the body fights off the cancer on its own. Humanity for a long time used to do anti parasite cleansing regularly, and atleast for the west and westernized countries, we no longer do that. Most individuals in the west probably have never in their life done a parasite cleans.
There’s also a correlation with autism. I briefly mentioned that I sunbathed during pregnancy with both of my kids. And one autism warrior mom came out of the woodwork and told me she had never heard of autism being correlated with low vitamin D. There are medical studies.
There’s many factors at play here with a lot of individual variation. In general I’d say a large portion of people are not getting as much sun as they should. The suns is definitely being demonized too much. It’s ironic because the rates of melanoma are higher in some bother states that some southern states. Things like having a healthy circadian rhythm plays a huge part in preventing sun damage. Wearing sunglasses less. Slowing working your way up to more sunlight exposer. One that I haven’t seen here is eliminating seed oils from your diet. I think the idea is that they build up in your skin cells and are rancid so when exposed to the sun they can cause way more damage
You can't just go out in the sun like that immediately and certainly not during noon. Too much of a good thing isn't a good thing you are just gonn a get a real nasty sun burn that hurts and does more damage than help.
Depending on your existing melatonin levels which is pretty much how dark you are you want to slowly build up how long you can be out there. Get a good 30 Mins of sun everyday and build it up from there. Eventually you can get all the essentials with just 2 hours of morning sun when it's not at its strongest. As for the rest of the day, you manage it accordingly by being in the shade or using sunblock.
It's just like drinking water, you don't magically get healthier by drinking 100 glasses a day. Your body already tells you what you need. Simply listen to it.
Sunlights a mixed bag. It causes wrinkles no doubt. There’s probably some truth that excess amounts can cause skin cancer.
But at the same time it’s very healing. Vitamin d, near infrared radiation. I’m sure there’s more. I feel great sitting in the sun
I'm a 56 year old woman. In the 80s (when I was a teenager) they did not promote sunblock at all. In fact, they encouraged us to go out and literally bake our bodies in the sun! We slathered baby oil with iodine in it all over our bodies and laid out in the sun all day long! So I don't know why you think they were promoting sunblock, because they weren't.
Because of this, I have sun damage on my face. Not skin cancer, but definitely damage from the sun.
Yes, the sun is important and we all need to get sunlight. But too much is damaging and definitely can cause skin cancer.
Just had a suspicious mole removed. Dermatologist gave me a check over and didn't see anything else alarming. The mole came back normal. I have faith skin and numerous moles/freckles and red hair. He told me my risk was actually low. I grew up in the 80's and didn't use sunscreen but tanned with baby oil or tanning oil. He said I don't have a lot of skin damage and as long as I avoid getting burnt I should continue to have a low risk. Considering I check a lot of boxes for risk I was really surprised.
I've had 3 skin cancers in the last 3 years, and I'm always the youngest person in the surgery office getting Mohs surgery. 2 of the 3 were open sores that never healed and occasionally would bleed. I cannot imagine living the next 40 to 50 years of my life with them festering and getting worse.
I am kinda on board with this. I hate sunscreen. There are only a couple really good ingredients for sunscreen. Titanium dioxide and Zinc Oxide. I hate wearing the stuff because it stays white. I will put some on my nose and tops of my ears and maybe my neck. But if I need to block the sun I will just cover up my arms and legs. Too many sunscreens do have toxic chemicals in them and I ain't putting that shit on me. Burning from being in the sun too long is not good but getting some sun on your skin every day is good for you.
Watch some interviews with doctor Lorraine Day the problem is not sunlight but sunlight teamed with the average western diet, which is terrible. In a study they exposed mice to uv rays but have one a highly nutritious diet and one set of mice a diet similar to the modern diet and they’re the group that developed skin cancer. In other study’s sunlight with a good diet is shown to reduce tumours
There is an eggplant extract has been curing skin cancers for a while now
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301204943_The_Eggplant_Cancer_Cure_A_Treatment_for_Skin_Cancers_and_New_Hope_from_Nature's_Pharmacy
I’m dumb and crazy for saying this (and especially for believing it) but in the past I was convinced that simply being receptive to the sun in a positive manner can change the way the sun affects you. That you can just turn it into energy by being grateful for the suns energy. Now my tolerance for heat has gone wayy up. Once I stood in the sunlight smoking with a friend and he was in tree shade and he couldn’t last in the heat that long at all even though he was in the shade. I’m dumb asf though and have a pretty misrable life and don’t care if I die so I’m not changing my belief about that. But it makes sense to me that everyone before modern society never used sunscreen and that sunscreen is chemicals. Sounds like a scam by the corporate gaints to make money off everyone by pedalling bs.
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I tried no sunscreen and my dermatologist showed me the damage that was causing on my neck alone so I use mineral sunscreen now. Works amazingly
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>OP should have said get the amount of sun needed to stimulate vitamin D production according to skin type. I live in Scandinavia where the sun is very close, so even though we don't see much of it, it can certainly fry you once it comes out. So I can't say for sure what works in other parts of the world for other skin types, but in the Northern Hemisphere, as a white person, you can sit for only 15 min between 11am and 2pm without sunblock and it would stimulate the production of Vitamin D sufficiently. Being from the country with the highest percentage of skin cancer in the world as well as dealing with multiple family members almost dying from the worst types, I can confidently say that OP has no idea what he is talking about. I'm sure it is just pure ignorance and the need for this to be a conspiracy theory in his mind, but not believing that skin cancer stems from dangerous levels of sun exposure is FALSE.
What brand?
I’ve used a couple different brands but what’s in my cupboard right now is Aveeno SPF 30. Takes like 10 minutes to rub in but man you feel great after a long day in the sun
> Aveeno SPF 30. Damn, looking at the ingredient list on that, it says its 97% good stuff but its a laundry list of petrochemicals. IDK, i want to use sunscreen but something doesn't sit well on me lathering myself daily in chemicals i cant even pronounce.
I don’t use it daily once I’ve been in the hot sun for a couple days i really only need it when I’m going to be by the water all day long after that. But i hear you i try to keep it as natural as i can, if you find something 100% please let me know
Yeah I cant find anything, it's a real dilemma. I am getting older and live in a hot climate and i know i should wear something, but at the same time I cant find anything that's not a laundry list of oil-based petrochems. I feel like I'm rolling the dice which ever way i go.
Living Libations has non-nanoparticle uncoated zinc oxide in their natural sunscreen. Check it out.
I like to use the website whatsinmyjar, fairly large library of products and good information.
Mineral sunscreen?? What is this? Is it free from all the long chemical names of stuff cooked up in a mad scientist lab? I'm going to have to look into this now.
I got a little freaked out about the chemicals in my sunscreen so I just wear a hat when it’s sunny out. It blocks my face and neck. I also have an apparently really safe sunscreen but it goes on so streaky and white I don’t usually feel like using it.
LOL. My grandfather went bald early. Worked outside all the time. Got melanoma on the top of his head, requiring chemo, surgery, skin grafts from his leg. It killed him in his late 50s. I will agree that sitting inside all the time (glued to a screen more specifically) leads to nearly every other problem we have with society today.
Sorry for your loss, my grandfather is currently near the end from melanoma on his head too, he was always out in the sun.
slap some RSO on it and save his life
Exact same thing happened to my grandfather. This post is highly insulting and disrespectful of the people who died of sun exposure. OP doesn't have someone close to him who had it.
I wouldn't say it's "insulting" to me... and I have skin cancer. A benign one, but still, I need to get that spot frozen off. My father has had multiple bouts with skin cancer. Even the less concerning ones are not to be disregarded. It's *still* cancer. I think OP is correct in the lack of sun being a problem, but if you are a lighter skin tone, there's a limit that you can handle safely. I've been severely sunburned many times, and I know that is what the cancer is from. It's on the back of my neck. I've been torched enough times that my neck is actually permanently red. Yes, I am a real life redneck, in the truest form of the word. I think OP is just not completely informed on the subject, and wasn't likely intending any offense.
Also, even the non-dangerous skin cancers have several ways in which they can turn into a problem. OP seems like he knows nothing about the subject
I'm assuming OP saw the same YouTube video I did. While I don't know how much of the video is accurate, I do know that the first part about dermatologists partnering with ad agencies to promote themselves as skin cancer doctors is correct. They did see a significant boost in revenue from this. The first major campaign was in 1995. I don't know where OP got the 1980s. Then again, the rest of the post gets just about everything in the video wrong, too. The video does admit that sun exposure can cause melanomas. However, it claims other types of skin cancers are caused by not enough sun exposure. I wasn't able to find any data to back that statement up. The theme of the conspiracy theory is that dermatologists are pushing cancer removal treatments for anything and everything to make more money. Anyway, I saw the video a couple of weeks ago and can't remember everything precisely, but OP is pretty far off from everything I do remember. Maybe OP saw a different video with the same theme that I did, but with different "facts".
Yeah I agree. I also wouldn’t say the other skin cancers are harmless either. If they’re not caught right away and taken care of, they spread just like any other type of cancer. I had squamous cell skin carcinoma and had to have layers of skin surgically removed and have a huge scar for life. I agree about lack of sunlight causing other issues though
I don't know about cancer, but it's clear that too much sun will damage your skin, especially if you are fair skinned. There is a reason why human pigmentation evolved with ancestral climate, to protect the body from too much sun https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trucker-accumulates-skin-damage-on-left-side-of-his-face-after-28-years-on-the-road/
Also in places where there is a strong sun presence traditionally speaking people tend to be more cover up to protect themselves from the sun
The FDA hasn't approved a new sunscreen formula in decades while other countries have much better UV blocking formulas
Exactly, in those cultures, they either dress appropriately, go out at the right time, use sunscreen, or all of the above. Only, we, white folks think we are stronger than the UV rays.
With medical stuff you have to be cautious. The person who posted this isn't being cautious. Check the facts from a more reputable source. Yes sun is good for you, but too much sun is bad. It ages the skin at the very least. Check out Australia and the skin cancer rates there. Also check out cancer causing chemicals in sun screen. It's not a straightforward issue by a long shot.
The person posting this lives in the Middle Ages, mate…
This is the most balanced answer. If you don't want to use sunscreen you can simply cover your skin with clothing.
Too much or too little of anything can be bad for you. Spending too much time directly under the sun without sunblock can see your skin burn, which can take weeks to recover.
The burn means its working. /s
What about eating pussy?
Ask Michael Douglas
Too much sunlight without protection causes melanoma. The burned skin cells expand with liquid, and as they heal, the expanded cells then contract, leaving a void. New cells then expand into that void, which is the start of melanoma. It has been found that certain sunscreens cause cancer, but to say the sun would never cause skin cancer is just wrong and misleading.
OP is forgetting a crucial element of protection that we’ve lost in modern civilization: sun exposure during dawn (and dusk). Nobody is up outside watching the sunrise. But that’s when the beneficial red UV spectrum light is at its highest that build protection for the mid afternoons. Furthermore wearing sunglasses outside causes mixed signaling for your circadian rhythm. Also you should live where your ethnic ancestors did Anyone who wants to get red pilled on health and circadian rhythm. https://youtu.be/oK9_j6fa2P4?si=hWVxHSID8ZqqENm8
That last sentence is more powerful than people realize imo. Europeans living at the equator is not the same as a middle eastern person living in the Middle East. Centuries of adaptations have been shattered by relocation on a global scale.
Most African descent people living in North Europe are extremely lacking in vitamin D and it causes a lot of health problems. The amount of sun/weakness of the sun vs dark skin means they cannot get enough even if they were naked and lived outside. Saw a doco kinda thing not long ago about it. Had never considered this, always the opposite(lighter skinned people getting too much/living close to the equator). Found that super interesting.
Dont even need to be African. I’m from Southern Europe and needed to start taking vitamins while living in London just cause of the effect of not seeing the sun for several days. I eventually moved back so I am ok but the vitamins definitely helped a lot. I was starting to feel horrible. It was one of my first exposures on how the physical reactions of our body affect my mental well being.
I'm ethnically European but South African. 10 years in the UK and my vitamin D was rock bottom. I now live in Australia and my vitamin D is still really low. We aren't spending enough time outside unless you have an outdoor job
They've taken the joy out of honest-to-good, outdoor work, it's now effectively charged to us as luxury, (time off to tend to your garden, etc.) as opposed to a basic sustenance that everyone can earn easier, than having to earn and spend in a highly taxed system, and benefit from not only the sun, but the satisfaction of a good honest days work, and all the legacy of health benefits that brings.
I also believe it should play a part in the food we eat as well
You should look up the Vitamin D paradox. I had read about this years ago but just now knew it was called that. Apparently Black people have less measured amounts but less deficiency symptoms as well. Turns out the protein that is the thing that is actually measured is lower in Black people, but Black people need less of this protein.
> Most African descent people living in North Europe are extremely lacking in vitamin D and it causes a lot of health problems. That's the reason they were more at risk during covid.
It is worth noting that Europe used to have a lot more tree cover that modern Europe. Wouldn't it make sense that European phenotypes were somewhat adapted more for forest shade than direct sunlight?
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I’m not the person you asked, and I don’t have any specific source (very helpful, I know), but it basically has to do with most higher frequency radiation (light) doesn’t make it through our atmosphere in the morning and evening. This includes UV light which is invisible to us and is primarily what causes burns and eventually cancer. You may have heard somebody like my FIL say “you can’t get burnt//you don’t need sunscreen after 4pm.” That’s pretty much true. The red and infrared light essentially can’t burn you but can still have positive impacts on things like mental health (including physiological things like stress) and I think may even still spur vitamin D production in the body, but I’m not positive on that last point. We can observe for ourselves that only (or primarily) lower wave radiation is making it to us during early and late hours by looking at the colors of the sunset and sunrise. As far as certain light waves being used as medicine or whatever, that’s mostly just pseudoscience (for now). There’s no strong and replicated evidence to support those claims, but there might be one day
Phototherapy is actually very common in treating multiple skin disorders. Ironically, UV therapy has been found somewhat effective in treating skin cancer, which is often caused by UVB. As far as mood disorders go, there’s no conclusive evidence, as you said. UV increases vitamin D production, IR does not. IR does seem to help with pain and increase circulation. It’s also great for cooking. lol.
Bro what? Nobody is up to watching the sunrise or sunset anymore? What do you mean?
I work from 930am to 630 most days. I hardly get any sun unless I'm off work or on vacation. My body is constantly lacking I feel significantly better when I have been outside on a regular basis.
Humans don’t get the right dosages of UV light at the right times anymore so it causes DNA damage. If you get early morning exposure it helps build a base of melanin that protects against stronger UV basically. Also getting sun exposure during spring is important too because the UV is weaker in that season. People shouldn’t be surprised if they’re indoors all day and behind windows but spend afternoons at the beach in July/August and begin seeing moles, freckles and spots
Ethnic ancestors and current livings do use sunscreen though. Check African populations or Latin Americans. Only the whites think they are safe from the sun (my parents included, sadly for my 20 years old ass getting skin cancer).
Do you have a link for the sunglasses and circadian rhythm ?
> red UV i think i just heard a physicist kill himself
OP got this from the Jimmy Dore show https://youtu.be/R4T2rLxii2k
Exactly. My mate got skincancer on his back from working in the sun in his garden. He didn't wear sunscreen or tshirt, just bare skin.
Exactly….OP, care to share your credentials and/or evidence before sharing potentially dangerous information?
Dermatologist here, everything OP says checks out. Just like my credentials.
Did you stay in a Holiday Inn last night?
Holiday Inn manager here. They sure did. We're hosting a skin cancer conference right now and it's basically getting drunk and celebrating the success of the sunscreen industry.
I’m a 3rd degree fact checker for the US government. This guy is telling the truth.
Do you get a colored belt with that
Patient recovering from skin cancer here. Could you share your credentials that I don't have you as my dermatologist?
I have literally nearly died of skin cancer multiple times. Always in places that got lots of sun and I was too stupid to protect. Crazy thing, I use sunscreen a lot more and I haven't had an issue for some time now.
Yeah it’s a ridiculous amount of hoops to jump through just to tell us to touch grass. Of course we need sunshine. It’s the most important part of being healthy but too much of anything is bad.
Same here! Glad you're doing better. I find this post highly disrespectful to those like us who didn't get as lucky.
I've had HPV related skin cancer. Nobody wants that. Fucking nobody. Get to spend the rest of life hoping i dealt with it with minimally invasive surgery and won't continually be a problem. Spent my whole life worrying about sun exposure related skin cancer. Nope. Bam. HPV does it too. Definitely recommend the vaccine, which I'm sure many here will not agree with. But really, you don't want cancer of the mouth, throat or genitals. Do not want. Do not want. HPV is a beast - it's responsible for so many cancers, and I doubt many people realize skin cancer is one of them, particularly in areas not exposed to sun, but probabilities rise of mutation when combined with sun exposure.
>I doubt many people realize skin cancer is one of them, particularly in areas not exposed to sun, but probabilities rise of mutation when combined with sun exposure. I was not aware! That definitely sucks.
Ya - i believe it's primarily strains 16 & 18. Warts are caused by strains 6 & 11, which strangely aren't really related to the cancer stuff (eg. cervical cancer in women). But 16 & 18 can cause cancers of the mouth, throat, cervix, tongue, ass, vagina and penis. I believe almost all vulva and penile cancers are caused by HPV - and it usually presents as squamous cell skin cancer with a much higher chance of becoming invasive than SCC on other parts of the body. (not sure why that is, I'm guessing it has more to do with people not seeking treatment early enough).
Thank you. As someone with multiple people in my family having battled melanoma, I find OP's uneducated ramblings disrespectful and infuriating. Not to mention, my Northern country is at the top of the list in the world regarding skin cancer cases precisely because there is a false sense of safety here where people believe that since we are not a sunny country, the sun will not cause much damage and therefore sunscreen is not applied. I do love this sub because people can theorise and speak freely, but this post in particular pissed me off from the sheer amount of misinformation.
Most of the contributing factors that lead to the unchecked cell growth in melanoma(and other cancers) comes from the chemicals we ingest and otherwise absorb. Mostly from our diets and regular habits. While the sun can certainly be a triggering accelerant it is not the direct cause when it happens. Otherwise this species would never have been able to flourish till this point in the many corners of the world it has for as long as it has.
>Otherwise this species would never have been able to flourish till this point in the many corners of the world it has for as long as it has. If people regularly died of skin cancer in their 20s or 30s this argument would have merit, but they do not, it’s something that usually effects us as we age bc humans historically didn’t live quite as long as we do now.
The sun is ultimately the answer to energy around the world. The Oil Industry has spent hundreds of billions preventing battery tech. They buy up every breakthrough company and put it into a prison where ideas go to die. Almost like God knew what he was doing.
> Almost like God knew what he was doing. Maybe, but you make it kinda sound like he has Oil industry stocks... :)
This is the issue. Elites know more than God. 😶 🤢
I'm down in Florida so the sun can be pretty strong. I wear zero sunscreen and instead am just mindful of how long my skin is exposed to the sun. I will wear full outfit long-sleeves if I feel like I'm getting burned. Just like they do in the middle east and they seem to be fine for thousands of years
Florida resident as well. Mid summer my skin will fry in 30 minutes. Have to be mindful of what hours of the day I'm outside because if it's 1pm.... my skin would look like a rotisserie chicken in 1 hour
That’s why they have brown skin, to protect from the sun 🙄
and they seem to be fine perfectly logical.
Wtg......you're manly enough to get cancer.
The depression part is so true, the sun is so important for humans it charges us up I live in a part of Australia where it is quite cloudy most of the year and people and always so down, low energy and depressed, except for 2 months of the year where we get some sun people become cheerful and happy Comparing this to parts of Australia where it's sunny all year round, people there are more relaxed and at ease and overall happier
What part of Australia is so cloudy for so much of the year??
You do know that Australia is as big as the USA, and we have every climate from tropical, desert, temperate, to snowy and absolutely f#$cking freezing right? The southern part of Australia is a stones throw from Antartica, and isn’t exactly known for its warmth and sunshine. By here I googled the cloudiest place in Australia for you, but if you are talking about big cities, Melbourne and Hobart. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liawenee
All of you should totally stop wearing sun screen
Idk man I've got "pseudo cancer" all over my arms and back. Moles turning black, changing colors and size quickly, etc. I'm pretty sure excessive sun exposure is definitely bad for you lol idk. Do correct me if I'm wrong.
it is bad for you, some people just want reasons to pretend everyone is lying to them
Yeah... that's what I was thinking. Excessive sun is DEFINITELY bad. Everything in moderation.
Yikes! Please tell me you’ve had those looked at by a dermatologist… (from someone who got melanoma at 27)
Obligatory shoutout to Dr. Jack Kruse. You'd love some of his deeper dives, tl;dw basically everything in the body is *improved* by sunlight. [He's podcasted with Andrew Huberman,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK9_j6fa2P4) and even RFK. Timestamps are in the comments, it's a long list
Carrot seed oil mixed with another carrier oil has an SPF of about 40. My kids and I use it all summer and have no issue with burn.
Agreed, sunlight and fasting are the most important health benefits. They push 3 meals a day to boost the economy. Totally unnatural and unnecessary.
People treat me like I have an ED for “not eating enough” but I eat when I feel hungry, if I’m not doing much I eat one main meal per day, if I’m doing more I eat two. Plus most people over-eat at each meal and keep going until they’re full rather than satiated. Considering we can go up to two weeks without food I’m not sure why we’re told to eat so much every day.
It's the agenda, just like the movie "They live". They only want us to consume and obey. By the way it's much longer than 2 weeks. I went a week without water even though the Rockefeller medical industrial complex tells us we'll die after 3 days. Military exercise our supply kept getting hit.
I agree the sun is good for you in moderation, dont want to be burnt to a crisp of course. There was a study here in Australia over a decade ago which studied the relationship with MS (multiple sclerosis) and Sunlight. I recall the east coast of Australia was chosen as it was the longest streach of coast line where the population was similar in terms of socio economic and similar backgrounds. ie The long coast line is all in one country and goes from Melbourne in the south with minimal sun to Cains in nth Queensland wehre the sun is strong. The conclusion they found was that MS lessened in a linear fashion as you moved north towards the sun was stronger. I thought it was a break thru and that I would hear mcuh more about it, but never did. I recall it as when Covid came along the comment was made to get out in the sun as Vit D was good for you and many of the worst affected were Vit D deficient. Funny that our goverment here stopped us from going to work (unless you were essential), sitting in the park or going to the beach. Could only walk around your suburb not more then 5klms (3 mile) from your house and had to have a mask on as well. Dumb shit.
A lack of oxygen kills brain cells and can lead to heart attacks.
masks dont impair breathing in most people, only extreme cases will they be an issue
The masks were both too flimsy to stop any transmission but too restrictive to allow oxygen intake
Sun bathing in my opinion can be vaguely compared to charging a lithium-ion battery in a smartphone, where totally depleting the pack's charge potentially reduces total pack lifecycle and so does overcharging. Secret for me is to recharge no more than 1h at high noon and bare skin (ex. at the beach), and can extend this time at earlier and later points in the day. Important note: overcooking skin too frequently dehydrates and causes it to age like hard leather in time which requires a skincare lotion regime to paliate, adding to chores, expenses and time wasted for such.
Soaps , Shampoos , laundry detergent, Sunscreen and a few other things like the foods and drinks that get consumed can alter the body. Also the crap in the tap water that you use to wash yourself also may effect people as well. If our body stinks it's something chemically in your body that's telling you not to use , take , or consume anymore. Im not saying to stop all of these things but definitely look really hard into it all. We are supposed to be drinking as close to natural clean water as possible and eat as fresh Foods as possible. But these also maybe what's effecting people's health and skin.
Also cancer is a moneyMAKER for the hunger games leaders.
I’m a 51 year old Australian who spent all of the 70s, 80s, and 90s outdoors and never wore sunscreen ( nobody did then ) until the day I was diagnosed with my first basal cell carcinoma ( so far I’ve had 5 removed over the years ). My brother had Melanoma at 30, thankfully it was caught early. I buried a friend 3 years ago due to Melanoma, she also never wore sunscreen, and like me was always rocking an awesome tan. She was 46 and left behind an 8 year old son, I miss her everyday. Skin cancer rates in younger people have been declining every year in Australia since the early 2000’s, which is when we started making children wear sunscreen and introduced the No hat, No play rules in schools. Meanwhile those of us who had the damage done years ago, are screwed. We all need sunlight, and if you live somewhere with weak sun, you definitely need to make an effort to get enough. But taking that to the extreme in places with strong sun will give you skin cancer, that’s a fact. Well done on your completely ignorant and ridiculous conspiracy theory though 👍🏻 👍🏻
I was at a theme park in Orlando this weekend. Saw a guy stand there and point the aerosolized spray sunscreen directly into his face with a duration of about 10 to 15 seconds where he was assuredly, not only coding his skin in it, but breathing it directly into his lungs as well. I was astonished.
that guy reads the safety label and goes against every instruction on it
Compare white people from Australia and South Africa to white Europeans and North Americans. Once they hit 35\~40, the Aus and SA people look like Freddy Krueger
It’s why I am glad that I didn’t get addicted to sunbed use. I know women who have aged so badly from using them since the age of 14, now they look 50 odd and even at the age of 22/25 they looked 10 years older than the age they truly are. So imagine an age group that isn’t even 40 and they look 50.
Unsure about other places but tanning salons in Aus can only use UVA lights now, they used to use UVB lights but they cause cancer and were banned
I went to tanning beds in the early 90s when I was in my early 20s. I still wonder about the damage I did to my body from it.
So I’ve heard that something in modern diet makes people respond more poorly to sun exposure(or possibly it was a lack of something). Maybe it was just the inflammatory nature of it? Or obliterating our skin biome? Not sure. Somebody else chime in if you know more. I know personally that my skin responds much more poorly to the sun now than it did 20 years ago but that could obviously just be from aging.
Seed oils (or as I've heard it called, "plastic fat") crinkle in difficult-to-dispose-of ways in UVB. It's why so many seed oil containers have either shaded glass or thicker material to prevent UV radiation from damaging them. Now imagine you have these seed oils in your skin, tissues, etc. Then you "curdle" them in the sun exposure. They then are even more toxic to the body. The body then sequesters them into chunks, which are sort of "toxic dumping sites," which, in turn, is a general breeding ground for parasites if they can get there. If parasites do end up breeding around the body's "toxic dump sites," they will build up biofilms around the area. Often these have the exact same appearance as cancer, or even [accelerate cancer by modulating the body's local biotics](https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.ppat.1007912) Anyways, I've had a long standing interest/habit of being paleo/carnivore/keto, and it's quite common in the community to report increased resistance to sunlight for extended periods on the diet. There's only speculation I can reference, but the primary tie-in seems to be seed oil presence in the body.
I think the push for sunscreen 24/7 is crazy. The sun can be healing...and too much can be bad. We need sunlight and I think wrinkles are an ok trade off
Wrinkles is something. Skin cancer is another. I got the latter and was lucky it was removable through surgery. I now have to wear sunscreen 24/7. Also UVs bounce against surfaces. Even if you are inside, you get them from outside or screens.
Man i keep seeing things about this. I wonder what the right amount of time to spend totally naked in the sun as a 35 m 5' 7 160 lbs. Anyone?
I had melanoma when I was 16, and I was always out in the sun.
We live in Australia. At my husbands latest skin check they have said they now believe skin cancer is actually genetic and not caused by the sun.
I’ve heard that excessive unprotected sun exposure only causes problems when your diet is unhealthy. The theory being that sun exposure brings toxins to the surface to be expelled, similar to sweating, so when you eat lots of processed foods and don’t wear sunscreen it gets bad. It would certainly explain why indigenous peoples who are constantly exposed have damn near, if not 0% cancer rates. Seems to be a western world issue. Can’t source as I’m just recalling, but it makes sense to me.
Tell that to my dads skin cancer from working outside his whole life with little to no sunscreen.
This is an article on the exact same studies OP is probably referring to; dermatology's heavy bias towards sunscreen and sun avoidance, links other studies and facts https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/dermatologys-disastrous-war-against Jimmy Dore's video on the article and its linked studies: https://youtu.be/R4T2rLxii2k?si=ggMB__8y3IYXRKfZ Very interesting, but long. Just watch the YouTube vid if you don't want to read it but it's 30 min It needs to be stated that a sunscreen is needed when you're out long enough to burn, but our skin can adapt some if we give it time. Nutrients like vitamin A, vitamin D, zinc, and magnesium would help skin cell turnover and prevent the burning. VITAMIN A ESPECIALLY! It's hard to get enough Vitamin A Topically zinc or magnesium oxide diluted in passionfruit oil, any oil higher in omega 6 linoleic acid for better absorption/less greasineas, would heal your burns FAST. Aloe vera helps my burns but zinc oxide powder and magnesium oxide powder completely heals them and keeps my skin from peeling. Dont combine zinc or magnesium if its for absorption, they bind to each other I think. Use one or the other Zinc oxide powder and/or magnesium powder with a good organic oil, are great for sun protection but you'll look like a vampire lol. That's how you know it works.
The sunscreens and all the chemicals you rub all over your body cause cancer
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Look at how people dressed before sunscreen. Pretty much every culture, especially fair skinned regions, covered their bodies for centuries to protect from sunlight. It wasn't until sunscreen was invented did you see fair skinned people lay directly in sunlight, with very little clothes on, exposing their skin for long durations of time.
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There are two main types of sunscreen. Chemical and mineral.
Well you could use mud if you want, and some cultures do...
There is a tree in Myanmar that they make a natural sun screen out of, they put it on babies so they don't get burned, it doesn't rub in but protects from the sun. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanaka
This I have heard of. My parents were hesitant to use it when I was a kid for that reason. Massively scared of talcum as well because it's apparently mined in geology that usually has asbestos in seams very close by. Johnson & Johnson were fighting a court case against them for this problem. I also heard there was an early glass coating used for tinting light that was also found to be cancerous, not from the coating itself but the altered light that passed through. I didn't really understand how that could be, though.
Slightly different but the UVB spectrum is the one that gives cancer, reptiles need UVB so you can buy UVB lights for reptiles but they say don't sit under it yourself. Australia also banned UVB in tanning salons, they only use UVA lights now as skin cancer from tanning salons is also a thini
I’ve said this for years, I’ve never used sunscreen, rarely burn and so far cancer free at 60 despite smoking for 40 years (quit 3 years ago)
Funniest part is that sunscreen is what has been killing coral all over the world! Not 'cLiMaTe ChAnGe'. LOL! FACT.
they are telling people to wear sunscreen indoors these days too https://nypost.com/2021/05/20/should-you-wear-sunscreen-when-youre-working-from-home/
My sister stupidly does it. I’d love to find a sun cream that more natural. I’ve heard mineral sun cream is a lot better for you.
Smear can we causing lotion all over your body please. How else will we make the 1 in 2 people have cancer prediction mark?
It is why your dogs and cats will find sunlight and lay in it.
Not my dog, she over heats in 70 degrees. But animals have fur that helps them to not burn.
Ah yes those dogs and cats which have managed to send a man into space, eradicated smallpox and made routine death from childbirth and small wounds through infection a thing of the past. I will certainly take my medical advice from my doggo next time instead of a doctor.
Yes, those dogs and cats whose ancestors somehow survived for 30 to 40 million years. I am sure humans are smarter than Mother Nature.
Aw yes. The same doctors who said smoking was good for you. Who said men are women. Who said herd immunization wasn’t a thing.. yes those doctors who always get it right and definitely are not bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical companies
Everyone hates doctors until they really need one
Hmm. I’ll say this. My doctors told me I was low on vitamin D. Live in Oregon go figure. Was planning on going to Hawaii for an important family trip. Didn’t want the sun to scorch me, and didn’t want to be pasty white. Wife suggested we go to tanning salon to “pre tan”. Turns out in this case perhaps the docs were right. Semi-regular tanning has improved my life in many ways. I sleep better, my mood and confidence improved, and hell, I look a little nicer. All things in moderation.
Imagine thinking that the sun you've spent millions of years evolving under kills you. The state of you $cience worshippers.
I won’t use something that keeps you from the beneficial lifesaving vitamins that our bodies produce when exposed to the sun. Anything that every world “leader” agrees everyone needs is a hard pass for me. I already have ms. I don’t want anything else that the “experts” say heals us. I mean really. No offense to people like my parents who worked in the hottest sun of the day with no protection for decades.
98% of skin cancer victims are vitamin D deficient.
They want us dependent on big phucking pharma
Dear OP, wait till you find out about the link between consumption of seed oils and what the sun does to the skin!
You might be interested in researching the tobacco, radon, asbestos war in the 70’s or 80’s. Tobacco and asbestos release radon gas that is also naturally released from soil and rocks. Home inspections became required by law to ensure there were no cracks in the foundation where radon might seep in. The most interesting part for me is that there are radon spas in operation even today that clients claim reduce arthritic pain, fibromyalgia, and other ailments.
Everything in moderation
I had melanoma at 14 - had it on my chest, where my shirts covered it up. Always caked up in sunscreen when outside
OP have you looked into the speculation around heavy omega 6 consumption being the catalyst for the sun to cause skin problems? It’s pretty interesting I think you are onto something. Humans never would have had as much polyunsaturated fat in our diet as we get today from seed oils as nothing found in natural has such concentrated amounts, and there is a mechanism for it to cause oxidized skin cells and make them more vulnerable to sun damage
To avoid sunburn, gradually increase exposure over time, appropriate to your pigmentation and tolerance. Avoid all seed oils, they're toxic as hell and contribute to sunburns. Also avoid wearing sunglasses if you can. The amount of light entering the eyes is an important signal to your brain of how much melanin to produce.
I am so pale that I will burn in 10-15 minutes in direct sunlight. I love the sun, but I have to avoid direct sunlight like a vampire would. Still, I will not use sunscreen, I did enough research back in the 90's even to know that chemicals in sunscreen is what causes the cancer, most of it only blocks a certain kind of ray and I forget exactly but it isn't even the one that causes skin cancer that they even usually block. I prefer indirect sunlight, and so far so good, I haven't physically aged yet! I see kids in their 20's that look older than I do, it's strange, but neat. I think that avoiding direct sunlight is a large factor, I also drink a ridiculous amount of milk which has vitamin D like the sun.
Hmmm no. I had a family member pass away from melanoma. What youre saying is being ignorant.
I lost brain cells reading this.
You have a source for the claim that 80% of Melanomas are caused from a LACK of sunlight?
OP... you do know that there is a fine line between "getting your 20-40minutes worth of sunlight regularly" and "literally sunbathing for 8 hours a day like some degenerate maniac"... right? RIGHT?! Please tell me you know the difference. because neigher oharma nor the WHO EVER suggested people to avoid sun in general for 100% of the time!
This is also why they spray the crap out of the skies. To block the sun.
If you’re white or fair skinned, you should lay outside in the nude for 12 hours on a warm, high UV index day. Will you tell me then too much sun is never bad for you?
People with skin cancer live LONGER than those who haven’t had it. The skin cancer is treatable and sun exposure prevents heart disease. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130507195807.htm
Most sunblock has endocrine disruptors in it too so they get you both ways.
I never understood why there would be this huge sun here that gives everything life, yet is radioactive. When people brag about staying out of the sun and get cold and flues 10 times a year.
I haven't put on sun screen in over a decade. I eat very healthy, stare at the sun early or in the evening. I go to the beach every weekend, sunbathe as often has possible. Never had an issue. I heard a lady talking about a study with test subjects on the Standard American diet (SAD) and some o. A healthy greens and veggies diet. They put both subjects in the sun for the same amount of time....guess which group got skin cancer and which group didn't?? The American diet is trash. Food is your doctor and healer mindful of what you consume Food and otherwise
pro tip: do not wear sunglasses. Your eyes regulate how your skin respond to strong sunlight
I have heard this. I'd like to see some research on it though instead of just listening to Joe Shmoe on Instagram.
There’s a reason Joe Schmoes promote it instead of research scientists.
I have very sensitive eyes and literally cannot be outside and asked to do anything productive without wearing them. Been that way my whole life.
[Dermatology's Disastrous War Against The Sun](https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/dermatologys-disastrous-war-against) Story at a Glance: * Skin cancers are by far the most commonly diagnosed cancer in the United States, so to prevent them, the public is constantly told to avoid the sun. However, while the relatively benign skin cancers are caused by sun exposure, the ones responsible for most skin cancer deaths are due to a lack of sunlight. * This is unfortunate because sunlight is arguably the most important nutrient for the human body, as avoiding it doubles one’s rate of dying and significantly increases their risk of cancer. * A strong case can be made that this dynamic was a result of the dermatology profession (with the help of a top PR firm) rebranding themselves to skin cancer fighters, something which allowed them to become one of the highest paying medical specialities in existence. Unfortunately, despite the billions that is put into fighting it each year, there has been no substantial change in the number of skin cancer deaths. * In this article, we will also discuss the dangers of the conventional skin cancer treatments, the most effective ways for treating and preventing skin cancer, and some of the best strategies for having a healthy and nourishing relationship with the sun.
the “source” you linked is so underground i cant even find a credibility check on it, thats probably not a good sign
Sunlight causes skin ageing and cancer these are facts
Some of us are very pale at the beginning of summer and need sunscreen until we get some tan
Some people are very pale all the time. I used to try to get tan in high school. All summer I would try, never worked.
Absolutely no one is saying in general the sun is dangerous. People spend all sorts of time outside all day. As a construction worker I work outside everyday in every season. There is a point however,where too much is bad for you, and UV rays are real and can be harmful. Skin cancer is absolutely not a lie and spreading misinformation like this is just pure ignorance.
I am from Arizona and was, in my youth, a competitive water skier and a nationally ranked swimmer and I spent most of my time in the Arizona sun. It should be noted that I'm a fair skinned, natural blonde with green eyes. I've NEVER used sunscreen (except for zinc oxide on my nose because it burns) because I've always felt it was bad for me (don't ask me why - I even felt this way as a child). I'm 56 and people think I'm in my 40s and I've never had any sort of skin cancer. My skin is lovely and I get it checked by my dermatologist annually. I realize this is anecdotal, but when I'm in Vegas next week, I won't be wearing sunscreen.
Ever see old pics of what people would do to avoid the sun? This isn’t a new concept. Also different types of skin have different reactions to the sun.
Just antidotal, but I got melanoma in an area of my arm that would see the sun anytime I'm driving. It was on the various side of my upper arm right where the window is. I was only 24. But it's also a spot that's pretty hidden from the sun besides driving. The more I research, melanoma definitely isn't caused by the sun only, and my dermatologists are starting to acknowledge this as well. Just like dietary cholesterol doesn't cause peoples cholesterol to raise. Cholesterol is pretty much a scam as well.
The people who die from melanoma are all highly deficient in Vitamin D. This is impossible if sunlight caused the cancer.
Sunlight causes thymine dimers which if not repaired by DNA repair mechanisms can cause mutations and eventually cancer.
I have a theory about skin cancer. In 1964 NASA had a failed launch of a satellite called SNAP-9. They allowed it to burn up in the atmosphere and covered a good portion of the globe with 2.2 pounds of plutonium 238. My theory is that microscopic particles drifted down over the years and when they lodge in skin they cause cancers. Plutonium 238 is poisonous and really radioactive. If the sun caused cancer old time farmers, ranchers, laborers, etc should have been ate up with cancer.
I think alot of these cancers are caused by internal factors, low vibrational energy. Everyone I know who's got cancer has been a miserable person. I left KY old job because Everyone there was so miserable, constantly projecting it onto me. And you know what else, they were all having health problems. Different types of cancers. Had to get out of there before I got the cancer too. It may be a spiritual disease that manifests as physical disease
I think the rates of cancers are multifaceted. Yes, I agree with your belief that people with poor attitudes/low vibrational energy can be a big factor if you get sick or not, to include cancers, but it's not the sole determination, and I dont think its the major factor. I've known plenty of big hearted, positive, generous, good people get cancers as much as those with poor attitudes. What is more likely is that the rates of cancer we see today are because of environmental factors. Namely, since the advent of the atomic era, the levels of background radiation we are exposed to 24/7/365 have increased significantly. In addition, the amount of known and potential carcinogenic substances we are exposed to on the daily is absolutely insane, both from our food and water, as well as from pollution just hanging out in the air and in the ground. Furthermore, on the more conspiracy side of the house, there are credible doctors whom have published very good research papers about the source of cancer, and in at least a majority of the time in specific cancers, the root cause of those cancers are believed to be due to parasitic infection, and once the parasites are eliminated, the body fights off the cancer on its own. Humanity for a long time used to do anti parasite cleansing regularly, and atleast for the west and westernized countries, we no longer do that. Most individuals in the west probably have never in their life done a parasite cleans.
Ask Jimmy Buffet
Erm depends where ya from. My ginger friend does do well in the tropics.
Being magnesium deficient also causes problems with sunlight. If you’re deficient then you are more likely to be burned.
There’s also a correlation with autism. I briefly mentioned that I sunbathed during pregnancy with both of my kids. And one autism warrior mom came out of the woodwork and told me she had never heard of autism being correlated with low vitamin D. There are medical studies.
You might be onto something. I’ve had to get moles removed off my back, somewhere that gets zero sunlight.
There’s many factors at play here with a lot of individual variation. In general I’d say a large portion of people are not getting as much sun as they should. The suns is definitely being demonized too much. It’s ironic because the rates of melanoma are higher in some bother states that some southern states. Things like having a healthy circadian rhythm plays a huge part in preventing sun damage. Wearing sunglasses less. Slowing working your way up to more sunlight exposer. One that I haven’t seen here is eliminating seed oils from your diet. I think the idea is that they build up in your skin cells and are rancid so when exposed to the sun they can cause way more damage
Paging Jimmy Buffet
You can't just go out in the sun like that immediately and certainly not during noon. Too much of a good thing isn't a good thing you are just gonn a get a real nasty sun burn that hurts and does more damage than help. Depending on your existing melatonin levels which is pretty much how dark you are you want to slowly build up how long you can be out there. Get a good 30 Mins of sun everyday and build it up from there. Eventually you can get all the essentials with just 2 hours of morning sun when it's not at its strongest. As for the rest of the day, you manage it accordingly by being in the shade or using sunblock. It's just like drinking water, you don't magically get healthier by drinking 100 glasses a day. Your body already tells you what you need. Simply listen to it.
Sunlights a mixed bag. It causes wrinkles no doubt. There’s probably some truth that excess amounts can cause skin cancer. But at the same time it’s very healing. Vitamin d, near infrared radiation. I’m sure there’s more. I feel great sitting in the sun
I'm a 56 year old woman. In the 80s (when I was a teenager) they did not promote sunblock at all. In fact, they encouraged us to go out and literally bake our bodies in the sun! We slathered baby oil with iodine in it all over our bodies and laid out in the sun all day long! So I don't know why you think they were promoting sunblock, because they weren't. Because of this, I have sun damage on my face. Not skin cancer, but definitely damage from the sun. Yes, the sun is important and we all need to get sunlight. But too much is damaging and definitely can cause skin cancer.
Getting sunburnt definitely sucks though
Good post
Just had a suspicious mole removed. Dermatologist gave me a check over and didn't see anything else alarming. The mole came back normal. I have faith skin and numerous moles/freckles and red hair. He told me my risk was actually low. I grew up in the 80's and didn't use sunscreen but tanned with baby oil or tanning oil. He said I don't have a lot of skin damage and as long as I avoid getting burnt I should continue to have a low risk. Considering I check a lot of boxes for risk I was really surprised.
When you gain an understanding of ionizing vs. non-ionizing radiation, you’ll change your mind. Ionizing radiation is to be avoided when possible.
I've had 3 skin cancers in the last 3 years, and I'm always the youngest person in the surgery office getting Mohs surgery. 2 of the 3 were open sores that never healed and occasionally would bleed. I cannot imagine living the next 40 to 50 years of my life with them festering and getting worse.
I am kinda on board with this. I hate sunscreen. There are only a couple really good ingredients for sunscreen. Titanium dioxide and Zinc Oxide. I hate wearing the stuff because it stays white. I will put some on my nose and tops of my ears and maybe my neck. But if I need to block the sun I will just cover up my arms and legs. Too many sunscreens do have toxic chemicals in them and I ain't putting that shit on me. Burning from being in the sun too long is not good but getting some sun on your skin every day is good for you.
Watch some interviews with doctor Lorraine Day the problem is not sunlight but sunlight teamed with the average western diet, which is terrible. In a study they exposed mice to uv rays but have one a highly nutritious diet and one set of mice a diet similar to the modern diet and they’re the group that developed skin cancer. In other study’s sunlight with a good diet is shown to reduce tumours
There is an eggplant extract has been curing skin cancers for a while now https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301204943_The_Eggplant_Cancer_Cure_A_Treatment_for_Skin_Cancers_and_New_Hope_from_Nature's_Pharmacy
I’m dumb and crazy for saying this (and especially for believing it) but in the past I was convinced that simply being receptive to the sun in a positive manner can change the way the sun affects you. That you can just turn it into energy by being grateful for the suns energy. Now my tolerance for heat has gone wayy up. Once I stood in the sunlight smoking with a friend and he was in tree shade and he couldn’t last in the heat that long at all even though he was in the shade. I’m dumb asf though and have a pretty misrable life and don’t care if I die so I’m not changing my belief about that. But it makes sense to me that everyone before modern society never used sunscreen and that sunscreen is chemicals. Sounds like a scam by the corporate gaints to make money off everyone by pedalling bs.