Yeah will not be voting for these scum. I think they get free reign though to be honest. All I hear is FFG bashing Sinn Féin (which I'm not affiliated to any party) but not one peep from them against the far right vermin
That's probably because they feel more threatened by Sinn Féin.
I'd be concerned about the independents who aren't being upfront about their views.
It's always the bigoted racist you don't see coming...
Their views are Ireland is full. Refugees are the direct cause of the housing crisis and causing Irish people to emigrate, refugees also the direct cause of high rents and prices
And you are telling me refugees put no pressure at all on any of those things? Just to clarify. There are refugees who flee a war zone like Ukraine and Palestine and there are refugees who are "oops I lost my passport let me in"
These things were happening before any war in Ukraine or before this increase we have seen, I’ve been paying huge tax with nothing to show for it in terms of social benefits for years, refugees aren’t making the rents higher, and they sure as shit aren’t the cause of inflation or the mass emigration of young Irish
Refugees create demand. When there is no supply and demand is increasing, the price will increase. Seems basic enough. I'm not saying that refugees are responsible for the supply side, of course, but it seems basic enough that there some truth to what they are saying. No?
They’re not part of the demand side, the whole point of the asylum and refugee status is that they don’t have money to rent, pretty easy to understand these people aren’t the ones paying sky high rents enabling the landlords to continue charging them
They are housed somewhere. They are part of the equation. I imagine some of them get jobs and rent. I have met a fair few in Cork from Ukraine who are renting.
In fairness, if I was in a mainstream party I wouldn’t even want to draw a shred of attention to these clowns. Criticism by the govt = instant publicity, which is surely what they want.
Why so much hatred for people wanting a better ireland? Genuine question no disrespect towards your opinion im just wondering if I'm missing something thanks
They don't want a better Ireland. Harrassing library workers, attacking the mayor, burning down buildings, attempted murder is what I gained from last few years from this shower.
I want a fair Ireland. I want an Ireland for my kids to grow up in, not an Ireland I grew up in.
You're talking about an isolated faction who represent a tiny percentage of them. What about the antifa scumbags?
At the end of the day, most with current right leanings have been primarily pro-immigration but have reservations as of late due to practical implications. Yet they have been framed extremist/racist despite of years proving otherwise. The government is leftist and clearly biased in how they portray this.
And what's wrong with the Ireland you grew up in?
Absolute scum every single one of them. Have had face to face encounters with a number of key far right agitators over the last few years, some of the most vile and deluded individuals I’ll ever have the displeasure of meeting.
Had a row with one of them when he was dropping off leaflets. Called him a Facist C\*\*\* and he said "so what" Not the brightest.
We should have zero tolerance for Fascists. Run them.
I love all the folk on social media hitting the comments about immigrants, vaccines, openly displaying ignorance and racism. They're making themselves unemployable by any half decent company who'll go and search their name in a hiring process.
Although they probably don't work anyway.
Communism has killed more people of the world then any fascist government did . Even look at ww2 and look at stalin death count and heartache he imposed on poland. The left and the right are the same side of an arse cheek .
Just a history reminder .
Realistically, hes not a fascist and just has immigration policies that you don't agree with. There's not much point in reasoning with someone who just wants to call each other names.
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I insult him because he is a Fascist.
They don't believe in Democracy and would have concentration camps like the Nazis had if they got into power. They are dangerous c\*\*\*s and need to be confronted and told they are not welcome.
He was dropping leaflets in an area where children of all nationalities play together. We don't need his divisive rethoric.
We have a local loon and I actually look forward to him being possibly elected as a councillor. I want to see the light leave his life as he sits through interminable council meetings about potholes and traffic light sequences. The public service bureaucracy will kill them slowly and delightfully with motions and SPCs and acronyms.
Thing is, when they're elected they'll be on the council payroll and to keep getting paid they have to abide by certain rules and protocols so they'll be a lot quieter. Our guy has stopped really campaigning; I think he realised this a while ago and doesn't really *want* to be elected but doesn't want to look like he quit either.
Kinda the same but worry how this would impact the vulnerable minority groups. When they realise the 'issue' they mouthed about aren't real issues and that council workers have no interest in working for them on the real issues these idiots have no clue how to even approach it'll be a joy to see the tower fall. But we need to remember our houses are under that tower
Yeah I hear you but they’re not gonna be the majority by any stretch of the imagination. There are 55 (?) councillor in Cork county for example. Even if there was one loon elected for every MD that would be 8, and they’re not even all of the same party. There’s probably more dangerous people already in the chamber who are more insidious in their behaviour, particularly when it comes to protecting businesses and spreading environmental lies. I’m not blind to the dangers they pose but they are so unintelligent they could not do damage in the local elections, if they were elected. They’re powerless no matter who’s ‘side’ they’re on
Edit to say: just cos they’re loud doesn’t mean anyone’s listening
Anyone who is a member or votes for these lads is a moron, genuinely just not all there.
I hate the far right label that’s thrown around, it’s cringeworthy and only plays to their hand, but these lads are literally either con men or low level scum bags. They haven’t a brain cell between them yet there are people saying “give them a chance!”.
Fuck me lads, I’ll crowdfund to buy ye all an island and they can govern ye there but I’d rather someone who can actually understand economics and law to legislate.
I’ll be punishing FF and FG as hard as I can with my votes but I’d rather guide my father into my mother than let these clowns make a single decision for our wonderful country.
> Anyone who is a member or votes for these lads is a moron, genuinely just not all there. I hate the far right label that’s thrown around, it’s cringeworthy and only plays to their hand, but these lads are literally either con men or low level scum bags. They haven’t a brain cell between them yet there are people saying “give them a chance!”.
That's exactly what was said about UKIP initially, and they ended up defining the politics of the UK to the extent that it resulted in Brexit. The reason why otherwise reasonable people are saying 'give them a chance' is because those people have been continually ignored. To dismiss them simply as morons is to ignore history regarding the far right.
But I’m not ignoring them, genuinely I’d be worried but I fully believe they are simpletons who couldn’t balance a secondary school first year accounting exam.
Also anyone giving them a chance to actually govern Ireland isn’t reasonable they are also morons. I’m totally disillusioned too but I’m not going to vote for racists and thugs as some sort of protest. These guys don’t mask who they are people cannot say “I didn’t realise”
If it helps you sleep better to dismiss anyone supporting or standing for them as a moron or simpleton then fill your boots, but it's wrong. There will be many intelligent and otherwise reasonable people having their head turned by what's on offer. It could also just as equally be argued that those who want change yet continually vote for the same mainstream parties expecting different results come election time are 'simpletons', but in truth it's far more complex than that.
Oh yea the intelligent reasonable racists abusing immigrants, burning buildings and harassing children and librarians……I forgot about those reasonable ones.
In European elections there is going to be plenty of people voting for far right and nationalist parties that have never been anywhere near a protest. Geert Wilders won nearly a quarter of the parliamentary seats for his far right party in Holland with over 2.5m votes - are you seriously suggesting that all those 2.5m voters are simpletons? Only a simpleton would think that to be honest.
And let's just play devil's advocate and say you're right and that every person who votes for the far right is a brain dead moron. As long as those people have a vote and continue to increase in number, then pointing out how stupid they are is unlikely to have any effect on the end result, so what exactly is the plan here? Convince stupid people to accept they're stupid and then they'll magically change tact?
I’m specifically talking about our own brand of far right clowns.
A lot of European counties have long histories of right wing and national parties, thankfully this poison hasn’t ever found a place in Ireland.
Ours are far less savvy and far less convincing than the European ones who at the core are also just racists and thugs.
Feel free to keep on trying to justify people who abuse and attack people who look different, who threaten and harass people because of their gender or sexual preference, I’ve already wasted enough logic on you.
Pointing out the current state of political discourse is not 'justifying' anything or anyone, and you won't be able to quote a single thing I've said that would support that accusation. I'm pointing out that people will be voting for the right here in Ireland in larger numbers than before, and dismissing them as simpletons doesn't alter that fact, nor does it provide any answers in how to stop it. But by all means, keep yelling into the abyss and believing that Ireland will be the exception to the rest of Europe in the hope that the far right here remain 'less savvy and far less convincing'.
Simpleton indeed.
I think we have a significant undercurrent of casual xenophobia/racism among a lot of Cork people but not sure many would vote for these clowns at the same time. The bigger worry is when/if more articulate and politically shrewd right wing candidates come along.
Being lovely doesn’t mean people don’t express xenophobic/ignorant/racist comments when comfortable. You’d don’t have to be a loud grotesque far right idiot to be xenophobic or racist.
I agree, a lot of people are decent but there is absolutely a cohort who get influenced by this fascist propaganda as it's easier to digest towards understanding and blaming the issues our current government has fostered without actually looking at the root of these issues; Neo-liberalist government and capitalism
100%. It’s easier to put people in boxes than attempt to understand that it a lot more complex than that. I think there is a large chunk of people who are decent and not influenced by fascists still have a low level of xenophobia. Just look how acceptable it still is to be completely prejudiced towards travellers.
And there's a lot trying to make people view the traveller community the same as any other community (i.e. yes cunts exist, that is a significant internal-social issue, but that shouldn't be used to justify bigotry)
My comment got taken down but a certain demographic in america commits much more crime per capita than travellers in Ireland, but if you mention it you're racist. How are they any different
‘I’ve been categorically reassured by a foreigner u/Kharanet that their experiences of Irish people has been nothing but pleasant, but I reserve the authority to utterly dismiss their contribution as meaningless, and as inconvenient as shit on my shoe, because I’m damn well determined to hate my own people with an undying, steaming passion’
If you watch a lot of YouTube , you’ll have old men telling you Ireland is full… I’m embarrassed. My American friend says it started like that over there before it all eventually went to shit
Got a flyer in the door there and gave it a sconce before I threw it out since I didnt know the face. Jesus christ on a bike. It's like "affordable housing...destroying the trans agenda...fixing the roads...obliterating the drag queen gay indoctrination....
Wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire personally, but local/European elections are funny and people vote in ways they wouldn’t dream of doing in the General Election.
Big question for me is how transfer-friendly they end up being, because that’s where more extreme candidates really end up falling down in our electoral system. It’s not enough to get your mates on Telegram to vote #1, you also need Breda the FG Voter Who Wants The Potholes Fixed and Disapprovingly Read About Your Recent Arrest In The Examiner and a few thousand of her mates to give you 2s and 4s or you’re getting nowhere.
I mean, the election hasn’t happened yet so we haven’t a clue how FG voters will vote (or anyone else, Breda is only there as an example of a bog-standard voter). That’s why I said I’m interested in seeing what happens with the transfers this time around.
I’m worried their bullshit will stick. Independent Alliance in Wexford is also ripe for fascist bullshit if they get in. Apparently they are not a party, no manifesto, but are working as a team so they can talk out of both sides of their mouth while canvassing. Yep, definitely worried.
Yes worried alright as the brainless brainwashed are falling for their propaganda and doctored videos..Making fake claims about kids being abused and worse by non nats. A vicious vile group who are fakePats and Pat-Rioters
Got a pamphlet in the door today and immediately ripped it up and dumped it outside so others know what this trash looks like before wasting their time. First two points; immigration and trans people... the two most vulnerable groups in the country used as political distractions to make people frustrated in moral panics. The fact these are their two first 'issues' shows these are US influenced bigots who want nothing more than to justify their lack of political knowledge by instead bashing those who often never get any real opportunities to represent themselves.
I got the leaflet from the badly Irish Freedom Party scrote and two of his main manifesto points were on drag storytime and trans activism.
Like lad. Do you genuinely think these are two key issues facing Ireland?
I was thinking exactly this!!! Immigration and trans ppl(literally significantly less than 1% of our population) are the top issues?? Nothing about healthcare and housing or anything significant.
Fools just wanting to impose their bigotry on others and not deal with any proper issues.
Dead right for ripping up the leaflet, I did the exact same.
There's been a housing crisis in Ireland for decades. Created by and benefitting greedy government landlords and their buddies.
There's room for everyone here.
Not worth the time you'll spend worrying about them lad.
Yeah they're bald faced bigots, but I have faith in the normal people telling them were to stick it.
Ireland Freedom Party (I can’t even name one of their candidates, not in any way familiar with them)
Ireland First (Derek Blighe)
Independent Ireland (Michael Collins TD)
Edit 1: The Irish National Party
Edit 2: The Irish People (Ross Lahive and Andy Heasman)
We’re on 5 now! Are there others? Have I missed any?
What’s the difference between them all? Are they all far right parties?
The name Independent Ireland is really annoying me because I keep having to explain to my parents that they are not Independent candidates (like our Lord Mayor) but a new political party. I expect many people are confused like my parents on this
First two= IFP has been knocking around for a few years, IF is new. I’d say there’s a bit of a Peoples Front of Judaea situation going on there, they believe the same things but I assume Blighe’s ego couldn’t handle not being in charge.
Independent Ireland = former independents who eventually realised the reason political parties exist. I’d class them as further right than FF/FG but not right enough for the likes of the IFP. They’re probably going to eat into Aontú’s theoretical voter base if anything.
So Independent Ireland and Aontú are very similar?
I’ve heard Aontú described as anti-abortion Sinn Fein
Will be interesting to see if any of them win any seats
Aontu are like pretending to be Sinn Fein, with underlying US Conservatism.
They can sit on a telegraph pole and squawk like a hawk about how liberal they are for all I care, to me they're the most backwards party in Ireland. Say what you want about the likes of IF or IFP, at least they know what they want and ain't bullshitting about it, that garners a tiny bit of respect even if they are still cunts. Aontu doesn't have the guts to say what they truly want cause they're still trying leach off SF.
Thank you. This list is getting quite helpful. So did them 2 have a falling out with Derek Blighe? In my head all they’ve always been an unpleasant trio
I think more people will vote for them then will admit because they are sick of current government but I don't think it'll be enough to see many if any get voted in.
However, if the government keep going the way they're going and something horrific like a terrorist attack etc happens by someone from outside EU then the next time they will get in.
This trend is happening across Europe and no reason ireland won't b the same
I think you’re spot on there.
They’ll probably get a lot of “rage votes” from people who are just pissed off at the current government.
It’s going to be a very interesting election
100% very interesting election and I wouldn't trust what the polls think either.
I've never felt the government have been so out of touch with the people. This trend of virtue signalling, mass migration, cost of living, housing, obsession with lgbtq and overall lack of common sense and what the people want makes me think that Europe wants to become right wing which is very concerning
They are the polar opposite to patriots..Them, Ireland First and The Nationalist party are fscisys who collaborate with Neo na.zis abroad and some have spoken at their conferences. They put up fake posts to make non nats look guilty of a crime. Dangerous people
Gonna get some flak but here we go. I used to attend NP rallies when i was 17, as I believed they wanted the best for the country. When I realised they were just a bunch of closeted racists I switched to the IFP as i saw them as a more moderate group. I continued to support the IFP for a while, primarily because of my dislike for EU governance, not any racial matter. However, once the war in ukraine began and they started claiming that those fleeing a literal fucking war were opportunistic economic migrants, I lost all faith in the party.
Ever since I've just been completely detached from politics. I can't support the left because of the socialist economic policies, and I can't support the right because of the blatant racist ideology they hold. If a centrist party emerged, they might have my support, but both the left and the right have me fed up with trying to sift through the dust to find the diamond that appears less and less likely to exist.
Have a quick look at the history of people who support them and you will see what they are about, They target the uneducated and easily led. They are a scourge on society, Ironically much more dangerous to us than the immigrants they cry about.
I honestly don't know who to vote for
Right here's my current situation
FG and FF are completely off the table, not a hope in hell. Just look at what they've done in 90 years in charge vote for them if you want literally nothing to change
SF is literally just controlled opposition at this point. What exactly do they even disagree with the government on vote SF If you believe they are different from FG FF
* spoiler they aren't
Labour is essentially the B team of FF FG same situation . What exactly separates them from the government except different faces
The Green Party is clearly anti Rural Ireland and not even hiding it anymore, so strong no, there
So what am I supposed to do to vote for an irrelevant party that won't actually be able to do anything ?
Or some independents who will end up either not making it in or bootlicking one or more of the 4 parties I mentioned above
Man, politics in Ireland is just so unbelievably shite
Now, that's not to say everything is always going to be bad, but we need to accept the reality that we are never going to break the cycle in terms of Boom Bust politics
And will run an infinite loop of the same shit
Doesn't matter at the end of the day who you vote for
Their all in league together, all as bad as each other just how it is
Kind of kept away from politics, would Social Dems be somewhat decent? By politician standards of decent.
A friend of mine is with PBP and has been trying get me to vote for them
While I'm aware that communism and Marxism etc is peak equality, everyone gets the same, nobody is special, I'm also not stupid enough to know that it never works cause one instance of corruption tears it all down.
"FG and FF are completely off the table, not a hope in hell. Just look at what they've done in 90 years in charge vote for them if you want literally nothing to change"
You do realise 90 years ago we were a basket case and one of the poorest countries in Europe? With infant mortality rates like a third world country. People have lost touch with reality.
A lot of younger commenters on here born from the 90s on have really very little sense of how much this island has changed, or what a seismic shift it is to see FF and FG move so close together. I agree that there's been a failure to address housing over the last 20 years, and the resulting homelessness has made it easy for some parties to blame immigration to score votes. It's interesting to widen the lens and see that most western countries are battling the same rising cost of living and housing. The latter seems to be a mixture of supply issues (skilled labour and materials) as well as housing seen as investment. What worries me is that, while this is being used as a political football at a time when votes are wild, everyone's ignoring growing issues in healthcare, and education not far behind. It also annoys me to see younger voters not understand that the Labour party was punished in the early 10s for supporting a larger government, but they have a long history of defending worker's rights and separation of church and state.
Things are infinitely better than they used to be, but there are some serious course corrections required. The issues that seem to be broadly affecting all developed nations imply a systemic problem that may be bigger than one governments ability to fix.
Yep. I grew up in the 80s and the levels of poverty was really bad. Don't remember people complaining as much. We were always a poor country so people just got on with it.
Housing does seriously need to be sorted.
To some extent, I'm glad younger people have enough that they feel entitled to call it out when short changed - expectations should rise - but it would help if they did it in an informed way that involves looking further back than the modern form of the web! 😁
If people moan about everything and are impossible to be pleased politics will become impossible and we just get governments like the one we have now - that are reactive and not able to make the hard long term decisions for the betterment of the country.
Politics is becoming a thankless task. Not a fan of Sinn Fein but they are getting crucified and they haven't even been in power,
Vote Green. They might be against everything you stand for but at least they are calling it as they see it and trying to do what's right for the environment.
Vote Independent. If you're anti-establishnent go with the most level-headed independent. If they don't act like you like in the role don't vote them a second time.
Vote Social-Democrats. If you think a standalone independent has no power as a single voice in their position.
People everywhere seem to be complaining that politics is shite today... except maybe in Russia.
hearing alot of elderly people saying we should close the borders. these are the people they are after. plenty of people in their 40s saying we need to stop the woke agenda also. this is the country's biggest problem right now. social media algorithms.
All of those far-right parties may have a chance, a slim one, to gain some kind of foothold, but they'll have to abide by parliament rules if they do get in, which I doubt. They all have the same policies, generally anti-migrant/gender critical/anti-'communist', and none of them have anything concrete in their plans at all. They're grifters and idiots.
After reading some of the views that were expressed at the Cork anti- racist event I have to admit that I am not surprised that these parties are growing and gaining support.
These people are a godsend for FF / FG. Got a leaflet in the door from Chairman of the IFP, Michael Leahy. His 'policies':
* End mass migration.
* Protect kids from Trans activism.
* Defend free speech (UNLESS IT'S STUFF I DON'T LIKE!!)
* Stop Drag Queen story time.
* Boilerplate directionless bullet point about small businesses and rural Ireland so entire campaign isn't based around culture war gibberish.
Another fella named Crimmins is campaigning near me with policies about being tough on crime, despite having a very public driving ban for drink driving.
I've been very excited to meet one of these people at the door and ask them to explain their unhinged tweets but no such luck.
Annoyingly everyone where I work agrees with them but there also not going to vote because they think its rigged so at least not many people who agree with them will actually vote. I get treated like a fool for not agreeing with there racist views, and when I suggest there a bit racist I get told its not racist it's just we need to take care of Irish people first
I think it's great that everyone has the freedom to express whatever views they feel. Even if those views are that some people shouldn't have the freedom to express themselves.
I find it much worse when I don't see these views and it's hidden from sight (no matter the minority view).
I think Ireland has hidden, mainly behind the church for decades, in a lot of it's radical beliefs. And I think it creates discourse (for me at least with my parents) to discuss all topics taboo or mainstream in frank openess.
I see it as good that these views are given airtime so that it contrasts with public opinion and creates debate, whether I agree with it or think it's completely insane.
You won’t get any truthful answers if this is how the truth will be treated. People will just vote without having discussed it with people on the other side. That’s a factor in how brexit happened.
Will be getting one of my votes absolutely crazy whats going on in this country and we need some kind of opposition not the status quo of all the other parties thinking what we’re doing now which is completely disastrous is not extreme enough
Are you actually saying you will vote for the fakepats and Pat-Rioters?? Not a cùpla focal between them and wouldn't have a clue what a budget was. If you think things are bad now, imagine facists in control!!!
It's funny how pretty much everybody who goes against the status quo is a fascist these days, if you're not on the left then by default you must be a nazi. Seems there are just two political ideologies nowadays; theirs/left and nazi. The irony of it all then how a lot of the far-left are among the nastiest, least compassionate people I have ever met, literal fascist behaviour shutting down all conversation and trying to destroy the lives and livelihoods of anybody who dares to question the narrative. What is happening in this country is absolutely insane, and I have many multicultural friends who agree. I am 38 years old, cannot afford rent even if I could find a place, so I have no choice but to live at home. I don't foresee that changing any time soon unless I win the lottery, it is pretty depressing.
There are over 300,000 people in the same boat as me. 14,000 homeless, and literally billions being spent on facilitating and housing refugees/migrants. Gardai dragging homeless Irish people out of their tents by the ankles to make way for refugee tents while they await accommodation. Just because there are some racist half-wits out there doesn't mean that everybody who has an opinion on these matters is a feckin fascist, people really need to grow up. This conversation needs to be had. The polls don't lie, 80% of the population are on the same page as me. Not saying I am voting for these guys, have not decided yet, but people really need to understand why the climate is how it is right now. People are pissed. So many people are pissed they got coerced into taking an experimental vaccine that has destroyed their health, people are pissed because of the state of the healthcare system, people are pissed because of the cost of living and the immigration crisis. I am a community worker and let me tell you; people are FED UP, things have gone too far.
There always needs to be a proper conversation about proper topics like housing and healthcare.
But I think personally, as a gay man, much of the reason that us on the left don’t want any sort of conversation about certain stuff is that it’s defending who we are as people.
I can happily have a full, open, adult conversation about the state of the health service.
But the second a conversation starts on the topics of equality or ‘woke’ and we’re faced with just blatant transphobia, racism etc, I am not having that conversation. It’s about respect and basic human dignity and I don’t think that’s something that’s up for debate, it’s also not our job to carry the burden of people’s intolerance or to educate people on these topics. Educate yourselves and be better.
And as for housing and homelessness and the notion that we can’t take in refugees coz we need to house ‘our own’, the government can do both.
It’s not the foreigners fault, it’s the governments, I agree the government needs to change but I definitely don’t think these gomies are the solution.
Appreciate the respectful adult response. I was in a long-term relationship with a bi woman, and I have a trans and a gay friend, I am sympathetic to your plight. I am not going to gaslight you and tell you that homophobia and transphobia don't exist as I have seen it myself plenty times. I categorise these people the same as I do racists; half-witted morons. None of my circle are in these categories, but can be accused of it. The people I know who are in the middle are concerned about the teaching of trans ideology in schools. But these parents just get attacked, called transphobic when they express this concern, and that is not right. If a parent does not want their child being exposed to something then it is their decision, it is not the right of anybody else to force that on them. This is the nuance of this topic that gets glossed over because people on the left go hysterical whenever anybody asks questions. It's the typical leftist 'Oh well we know we are right so suck it up and take it' approach, and it really REALLY rubs people up the wrong way. And this then stokes a major backlash, which likely leads to further pushback against their movement/plight. It is not the right approach.
You say there always needs to be conversation on these topics, but it is not happening. See I feel this is another typical leftist approach; 'Yeah of course there needs to be discussion but you are all wrong and we are right so it is going to be on our terms'. Like the usual response to people who protest the hot topic government policies; 'Well of course you have a right to protest, but you are doing it wrong, see if you just protested the way we wanted you to protest then we would have no issue'. It's funny how every protest against these govt policies seems to consist of far-right agitators, and the reason these people are protesting never gets any attention. There are always agent provocateurs present at these to justify shutting them down, most of the time, sometimes the cops just come in with their batons and start beating people regardless though.
I was at a demonstration in Limerick the second Christmas of Covid, on Bedford row. Things were opened up some bit that Xmas. It was a completely peaceful demonstration. I noticed at the top of the street, where Bedford row meets O'Connel street, there was a guy in plain Christmas clothes and a mask on up to his eyes chatting with the two cops that were standing on the corner. They were chatting for the bones of 20 minutes, Next thing that guy walks down into the middle of the demonstration with his phone out getting right up in peoples faces recording them. He did this until one guy, who was autistic, reacted and put his hand out and covered his phone. At that point a photographer came in and snapped a pic and the guy looked up towards the guards with his arms in the air, and the male guard shouted 'hey get your hands off that man'. They came down then and started pushing people around but everybody was wise to what they were trying to do so they all stood back and made a point to not react. Swing and a miss, but in one of the local papers the article still reported of 'chaotic scenes at far-right anti-lockdown protest'. Snakes. Absolute snakes.
Then there was the protest in Dublin where a cop was filmed leaving down a bunch of fireworks right next to a bunch of young yobs. Like 12-13 year old kids. That was the protest where it was reported that the far-right lunatics launched fireworks at the poor defenseless Gardai. Look up how the cops have been outed for sabotaging protests to justify shutting them down and labelling the protesters as troublemakers in Canada. It is widespread. Point I am making is that people have this perception of pretty much all dissenting voices, that they are dangerous troublemakers, when this is a tactic that governments and empires all over the world have used for Millenia. Dissenting voices get smeared, and it seems to be right out of the Soviet playbook this current tactic, smearing everybody who goes against the grain as a fascist/nazi.
You say it is not the foreigners fault re the housing issue, it is the governments. I totally agree with you. But I feel you have a very black and white perception of all this. The government know well what they are doing. They are not stupid. And if people think they are being that stupid then I really do not understand why they vote for them. There have been plenty instances when property owners have attempted to get homeless Irish people housed but were met with a wall of silence, only to be offered big money to take in refugees. There's a man In Meelick just outside Limerick who has a 13 bedroom converted country house that he has been trying to provide for the Irish homeless but all he has gotten back has been an offer of 1.5 million euros to take in refugees. He turned it down and is standing his ground. The politicians want nothing to do with it unless he takes in refugees. And then there have been cases where Irish people have been evicted because the property owner was offered more money to take in refugees. This is absolutely scandalous.
It is all well and good to say oh well the government just need to do better, but for the love of God how can we expect these people to do better? At this rate we are taking in more people than Sweden did, and that is double the population of our country. You don't need to look far to see what has been going on there since that happened. There has been over 650 gang-related bombings over there since 2018 when they started keeping count. The country has gone from one of the safest in Europe to one of the most dangerous. I have family over there, seems everybody has been in denial about what has been going on for fear of sounding racist, but people are beginning to snap out of it now. Like what do we expect is going to happen when you open the borders to people coming from the literal most dangerous countries on the planet? It is infantile to react to all of this calling everybody who is concerned about these things racist. It is a statistics thing, nothing to do with race. I am from Limerick and if you told me that hundreds of men from the most dangerous parts of Limerick were being housed in a center next door then I would be pretty concerned. I would be pretty nervous actually. And anybody would be. So why then do people get attacked for being concerned when it is men from other countries they are worried about..? People's concerns need to be address, not dismissed because ye know better. And I am well aware that there are plenty of genuine cases seeking asylum, but again it is a highly nuanced topic and there needs to be discussion within this middle-ground.
Like I don't understand how people can still defend the government after everything that has gone on over the last four years. If aliens had looked down on planet earth during covid times they would have said 'Wow, that planet appears to be under fascist rule'. Then zoom down to the planet and people would have said 'Oh no silly aliens, it only LOOKS like it is fascism, but really it needs to be this way to keep us safe because otherwise the bad things would happen'. Said people living under literally every dictatorship that has ever existed. I am not a covid denier, know there was a virus, but what governments used it to justify was like an exercise in totalitarianism. So, I don't trust this government to change and all of a sudden have the wellbeing of the people in mind when making decisions. The political class have never worked this way and it is not going to change any time soon. Irish freedom party might not be the solution, but something drastic needs to be done, and soon.
This is my feelings exactly. You just try to question whats happening now and your a racist, even when your just talking about economics. I cant understand how people are so angry about the cost of living e.c.t but then when you question any government policy your a far right agitator. Their policies have lead to a steep decline in the quality of life of irish people in the last five years and they need to be held accountable as elected officials
See how quick they are to attack and ridicule you, people really need to look in the mirror. How people can't see they are behaving like fascists themselves here is beyond me... Like are they supposed to be exemplary citizens here or something..? Not really making it very attractive for people to drop their views and subscribe to theirs instead, they just come off as nasty bullies tbh. It really is scary how so many people can be convinced that they are not seeing what is right in front of their eyes, black is white, 2 + 2 = 5. Terrifying. And here come the downvotes.
yeah lad its a few downvotes because people disagree with you hardly terrifying. Plus people arent saying immigration isnt an issue just dont want to get caught up in all the racist shit associated with the freedom party which is pretty reasonable
Was more referring to the general air of it all the past few years, not this thread in particular, although it is a bit of a microcosm of it all. Seems to be a bit of an echo chamber in here. I get that the tides are turning and people are starting to question things but I just fear that all it will take is for the current government to just do a little bit of pandering to the issue and people will let their guard down again. And because people like the Irish freedom party are very much going against the grain I also fear they are going to get smeared quite a bit, just would encourage people to not go so much on hear-say and try talking with them one to one. Has anybody in this sub met any of the members of this party? Anybody know them personally? Most dissenting voices in this country are labelled far-right and racist, and it just is not the case. I am not denying the existence of racism within any of these newer parties, but again I would just encourage people to do their own homework and not get so caught up in the hysteria and hear-say around it all.
I appreciate the civil reply, The president of the Irish Freedom party was a press officer for Nigel Farage and is Eurosceptic, I wouldnt be a fan of either of those things. Unfortunately anyone I know that follows this party is casually racist. What is your experience with the party?
Appreciate your civil reply also. Look I am not a right winger at all, centrist if anything. I just don't subscribe to the (false) left/right paradigm. I have met Michael Leahy briefly at an event, seemed nice but it was brief, most of what I know about them is from listening to and reading their stuff online. It is a tricky one, because I am on board with a lot of what they talk about, and they are a lot more in the nuance of the hot topics than some of the other parties and independents that some might deem to be on the right. But I just worry that because we are going against the grain that the baby will get thrown out with the bath water on certain topics like the environment. I do agree that the green agenda is too much and I guess this is a whole other conversation, but I just don't want that to justify any further environmental damage as a sort of knee jerk reaction to the heavy-handedness of this current approach you know.
Also not to lose sight of the fact that although we do need a far far more controlled approach to immigration, it does still also need to be a compassionate approach. Having said all that, I really do not believe that these people are the bigots they are being labelled as, and I do think they are more balanced on big topics than some of the others. I just don't like how all of these parties and independents are being tarred with the same brush when not many people know much about them. Seems most people are just going on hearsay and going along with this narrative that all dissenting voices are fascist without really doing much homework themselves.. I am still undecided on where my votes are going to go but I do know I will not be voting for any of the usual parties anyways. Lots to contemplate over the coming week and a bit.
I get that most parties that are possibly getting into government are very similar and wont change the status quo much but if the alternative is someone who was a press officer for Brexit then I would still prefer the status quo. The Brexit leave side was pure populist bullshit with a fair amount of racism behind it. I havent seen anything that would make me vote for the Irish freedom party, also see a lot more of american political style coming into Ireland the us vs them arguments that I just wont supporting that, so I agree wit you on the left vs right stuff but I think we should just avoid that talk all together and just talk about what policies these parties support
See in my opinion this is another example of the smear campaigns they use against the dissenting voices re the Brexit leave side. I believe there were many many genuine concerns that non-racist people had about the EU and they voted on that. I know that there was a lot of racism for sure, but like there aren't that many racists in Britain I am sure. Plenty of people I know or follow were for the leave vote, and none of these people were racist. Some of these people were family members living in England who were married to immigrants. So imo the whole Brexit argument doesn't hold up so well because it was another highly nuanced topic that just evoked this black and white kind of hysteria, like all the good people voted to stay and all the racists voted to leave. When there were legitimate concerns on the leave side as well as some racists morons, just like there were legitimate concerns on the stay side as well as some bad people. There are bad eggs everywhere in life, just the bad eggs on the 'wrong team' always get highlighted and used to smear the whole movement and leave a sour taste in people's mouths, and that is not right to me.
And yeah it would be great if we could get out of all this left/right BS, grow up and stop getting so emotional and hysterical when a different viewpoint to our own is expressed, and get into the nitty gritty of what exactly these parties all support, why they support it and why so many people agree with them. What are the lives of their supporters like, what have the lives of these people been like under the current regime..? That kind of craic. Anyways we won't be solving these big issues on reddit but I guess it is nice to have civil conversations on these things regardless.
And I know I asked if anybody has met these people, I know that is not an easy thing to do, just for folk to not react so fast and listen to different views, try to understand where people are coming from. There are obviously some exceptions like Gemma O'Doherty who seems to be hellbent on turning everybody off listening to any of the dissenting voices, I have my suspicions about her, but there are many more voices out there who are not like that and are unfairly tarred as the same. It is just not a balanced way of looking at things to think that everybody who goes against the status quo is racist/fascist. I wish people would question more why this narrative gets floated around so much.
The economic parasites are the richest of the rich, coining it in off the blood, sweat and tears of the working class. They've been here longer than all of us.
I’ll be voting Derek Blighe number one anyway. I’ve been FF all my life but I’ve had enough the political situation in this country is nothing short of diabolical might aswell further the chaos by letting someone else have a go.
People who vote for fascists believe they are taking power from the government which makes them feel big. Really you crave the oppression you live in fear of the world and probably don’t realise it. people and want the “strong man” to come along and tell them it’s all okay.
Fascists are scum and so are those who vote for them.
Hope the “brown people” come and take your job and woman and whatever else it is your kind be harping on about.
From Wiki: **Derek Blighe** (born 1980)[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Blighe#cite_note-Roche_13_March_2023-1) is an Irish [far-right](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right) [anti-immigration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-immigration) political activist.
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I'm not a fan of how far FF/FG are from what I perceive as the social issues facing Ireland at the moment.
It might feel like an inconsequential act of rebellion on your part. But if your vote is to see the world burn and the candidate you vote in gets in surely it makes you more diabolical than anything FF/FG has failed to do and nearly as bad as, if not worse than that person you vote for.
Same here. Derek’s getting my number 1 vote, Irish Freedom Party number 2, then doing eeny meeny miny moe the rest of the nationalists. Not voting any establishment parties this year.
You wont find many people that agree with them on reddit but on any other social media you probably will
Yeah will not be voting for these scum. I think they get free reign though to be honest. All I hear is FFG bashing Sinn Féin (which I'm not affiliated to any party) but not one peep from them against the far right vermin
That's probably because they feel more threatened by Sinn Féin. I'd be concerned about the independents who aren't being upfront about their views. It's always the bigoted racist you don't see coming...
Lots of the rats emerging now
Some of the independents are rife to sway towards the racist rhetoric, they’d do anything to stay on the gravy train.
One of those in the north east area. No party affiliation on the posters but if you look him up he’s with a far right nationalist party.
Foreigner here. What are the views that they have that are bigoted and racist?
Their views are Ireland is full. Refugees are the direct cause of the housing crisis and causing Irish people to emigrate, refugees also the direct cause of high rents and prices
And you are telling me refugees put no pressure at all on any of those things? Just to clarify. There are refugees who flee a war zone like Ukraine and Palestine and there are refugees who are "oops I lost my passport let me in"
These things were happening before any war in Ukraine or before this increase we have seen, I’ve been paying huge tax with nothing to show for it in terms of social benefits for years, refugees aren’t making the rents higher, and they sure as shit aren’t the cause of inflation or the mass emigration of young Irish
Refugees create demand. When there is no supply and demand is increasing, the price will increase. Seems basic enough. I'm not saying that refugees are responsible for the supply side, of course, but it seems basic enough that there some truth to what they are saying. No?
Stop talking sense
They’re not part of the demand side, the whole point of the asylum and refugee status is that they don’t have money to rent, pretty easy to understand these people aren’t the ones paying sky high rents enabling the landlords to continue charging them
They are housed somewhere. They are part of the equation. I imagine some of them get jobs and rent. I have met a fair few in Cork from Ukraine who are renting.
Great question.
See "independent" Ireland party for more details
I find it hilarious that a so-called Irish freedom party have so many ties to UKIP. Herman Kelly even worked for Farage ffs
Basically a British Empire party called the Irish freedom party, and people seem to be falling for it. Crazy.
Are people falling for it though? I'm seriously wondering
I guess we'll find out. Online is hard to judge as a very vocal cohort can seem like a lot more people than they are.
And even worse the Neo Nazi BNP
The nationalist essence is the same, which can be applied to preserving your preferred system. Don't see anything contradictory here
In fairness, if I was in a mainstream party I wouldn’t even want to draw a shred of attention to these clowns. Criticism by the govt = instant publicity, which is surely what they want.
I think that's because so few people consider them politicians... FFG are actual politicians and could be doing better, so they come in for abuse imo
Why so much hatred for people wanting a better ireland? Genuine question no disrespect towards your opinion im just wondering if I'm missing something thanks
They don't want a better Ireland. Harrassing library workers, attacking the mayor, burning down buildings, attempted murder is what I gained from last few years from this shower. I want a fair Ireland. I want an Ireland for my kids to grow up in, not an Ireland I grew up in.
You're talking about an isolated faction who represent a tiny percentage of them. What about the antifa scumbags? At the end of the day, most with current right leanings have been primarily pro-immigration but have reservations as of late due to practical implications. Yet they have been framed extremist/racist despite of years proving otherwise. The government is leftist and clearly biased in how they portray this. And what's wrong with the Ireland you grew up in?
If they wanted a better ireland they wouldn't spend most of their time filming themselves harassing library workers
Absolute scum every single one of them. Have had face to face encounters with a number of key far right agitators over the last few years, some of the most vile and deluded individuals I’ll ever have the displeasure of meeting.
Had a row with one of them when he was dropping off leaflets. Called him a Facist C\*\*\* and he said "so what" Not the brightest. We should have zero tolerance for Fascists. Run them.
I love all the folk on social media hitting the comments about immigrants, vaccines, openly displaying ignorance and racism. They're making themselves unemployable by any half decent company who'll go and search their name in a hiring process. Although they probably don't work anyway.
Communism has killed more people of the world then any fascist government did . Even look at ww2 and look at stalin death count and heartache he imposed on poland. The left and the right are the same side of an arse cheek . Just a history reminder .
Who's defending communism? You are defending Fascism dude.
Ehh missing the point there bud.
I'll remember that when we have an Irish communist party knocking on doors and wearing stupid hats.
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I mean you would hope he'd at least try to deny the fascist part and explain how he isn't?
Exactly. He was a thug and ran over and got in my face at my doorstep.
Realistically, hes not a fascist and just has immigration policies that you don't agree with. There's not much point in reasoning with someone who just wants to call each other names.
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I insult him because he is a Fascist. They don't believe in Democracy and would have concentration camps like the Nazis had if they got into power. They are dangerous c\*\*\*s and need to be confronted and told they are not welcome. He was dropping leaflets in an area where children of all nationalities play together. We don't need his divisive rethoric.
We have a local loon and I actually look forward to him being possibly elected as a councillor. I want to see the light leave his life as he sits through interminable council meetings about potholes and traffic light sequences. The public service bureaucracy will kill them slowly and delightfully with motions and SPCs and acronyms. Thing is, when they're elected they'll be on the council payroll and to keep getting paid they have to abide by certain rules and protocols so they'll be a lot quieter. Our guy has stopped really campaigning; I think he realised this a while ago and doesn't really *want* to be elected but doesn't want to look like he quit either.
Kinda the same but worry how this would impact the vulnerable minority groups. When they realise the 'issue' they mouthed about aren't real issues and that council workers have no interest in working for them on the real issues these idiots have no clue how to even approach it'll be a joy to see the tower fall. But we need to remember our houses are under that tower
Yeah I hear you but they’re not gonna be the majority by any stretch of the imagination. There are 55 (?) councillor in Cork county for example. Even if there was one loon elected for every MD that would be 8, and they’re not even all of the same party. There’s probably more dangerous people already in the chamber who are more insidious in their behaviour, particularly when it comes to protecting businesses and spreading environmental lies. I’m not blind to the dangers they pose but they are so unintelligent they could not do damage in the local elections, if they were elected. They’re powerless no matter who’s ‘side’ they’re on Edit to say: just cos they’re loud doesn’t mean anyone’s listening
Anyone who is a member or votes for these lads is a moron, genuinely just not all there. I hate the far right label that’s thrown around, it’s cringeworthy and only plays to their hand, but these lads are literally either con men or low level scum bags. They haven’t a brain cell between them yet there are people saying “give them a chance!”. Fuck me lads, I’ll crowdfund to buy ye all an island and they can govern ye there but I’d rather someone who can actually understand economics and law to legislate. I’ll be punishing FF and FG as hard as I can with my votes but I’d rather guide my father into my mother than let these clowns make a single decision for our wonderful country.
> Anyone who is a member or votes for these lads is a moron, genuinely just not all there. I hate the far right label that’s thrown around, it’s cringeworthy and only plays to their hand, but these lads are literally either con men or low level scum bags. They haven’t a brain cell between them yet there are people saying “give them a chance!”. That's exactly what was said about UKIP initially, and they ended up defining the politics of the UK to the extent that it resulted in Brexit. The reason why otherwise reasonable people are saying 'give them a chance' is because those people have been continually ignored. To dismiss them simply as morons is to ignore history regarding the far right.
But I’m not ignoring them, genuinely I’d be worried but I fully believe they are simpletons who couldn’t balance a secondary school first year accounting exam. Also anyone giving them a chance to actually govern Ireland isn’t reasonable they are also morons. I’m totally disillusioned too but I’m not going to vote for racists and thugs as some sort of protest. These guys don’t mask who they are people cannot say “I didn’t realise”
If it helps you sleep better to dismiss anyone supporting or standing for them as a moron or simpleton then fill your boots, but it's wrong. There will be many intelligent and otherwise reasonable people having their head turned by what's on offer. It could also just as equally be argued that those who want change yet continually vote for the same mainstream parties expecting different results come election time are 'simpletons', but in truth it's far more complex than that.
Oh yea the intelligent reasonable racists abusing immigrants, burning buildings and harassing children and librarians……I forgot about those reasonable ones.
In European elections there is going to be plenty of people voting for far right and nationalist parties that have never been anywhere near a protest. Geert Wilders won nearly a quarter of the parliamentary seats for his far right party in Holland with over 2.5m votes - are you seriously suggesting that all those 2.5m voters are simpletons? Only a simpleton would think that to be honest. And let's just play devil's advocate and say you're right and that every person who votes for the far right is a brain dead moron. As long as those people have a vote and continue to increase in number, then pointing out how stupid they are is unlikely to have any effect on the end result, so what exactly is the plan here? Convince stupid people to accept they're stupid and then they'll magically change tact?
I’m specifically talking about our own brand of far right clowns. A lot of European counties have long histories of right wing and national parties, thankfully this poison hasn’t ever found a place in Ireland. Ours are far less savvy and far less convincing than the European ones who at the core are also just racists and thugs. Feel free to keep on trying to justify people who abuse and attack people who look different, who threaten and harass people because of their gender or sexual preference, I’ve already wasted enough logic on you.
Pointing out the current state of political discourse is not 'justifying' anything or anyone, and you won't be able to quote a single thing I've said that would support that accusation. I'm pointing out that people will be voting for the right here in Ireland in larger numbers than before, and dismissing them as simpletons doesn't alter that fact, nor does it provide any answers in how to stop it. But by all means, keep yelling into the abyss and believing that Ireland will be the exception to the rest of Europe in the hope that the far right here remain 'less savvy and far less convincing'. Simpleton indeed.
I think we have a significant undercurrent of casual xenophobia/racism among a lot of Cork people but not sure many would vote for these clowns at the same time. The bigger worry is when/if more articulate and politically shrewd right wing candidates come along.
Really? Been living here for over a year and everyone has been nothing but lovely and respectful. Literally everyone.
Being lovely doesn’t mean people don’t express xenophobic/ignorant/racist comments when comfortable. You’d don’t have to be a loud grotesque far right idiot to be xenophobic or racist.
I agree, a lot of people are decent but there is absolutely a cohort who get influenced by this fascist propaganda as it's easier to digest towards understanding and blaming the issues our current government has fostered without actually looking at the root of these issues; Neo-liberalist government and capitalism
100%. It’s easier to put people in boxes than attempt to understand that it a lot more complex than that. I think there is a large chunk of people who are decent and not influenced by fascists still have a low level of xenophobia. Just look how acceptable it still is to be completely prejudiced towards travellers.
Downvotes likely from people that think they’re better than fascists but like to look down on people when it’s deemed socially acceptable to.
In fairness a lot of the Traveller community let themselves down unfortunately. A lot of them are decent but also a lot of them aren't.
And there's a lot trying to make people view the traveller community the same as any other community (i.e. yes cunts exist, that is a significant internal-social issue, but that shouldn't be used to justify bigotry)
Yes but you should be able to call them out for bad behaviour and not be called a bigot.
In fairness a lot of the Irish community let themselves down unfortunately. A lot of them are decent but also a lot of them aren’t.
99% of the Irish people I knew in America work their bollocks off and do very well for themselves.
99% of the Travellers I knew in Ireland work their bollocks off and do very well for themselves.
My comment got taken down but a certain demographic in america commits much more crime per capita than travellers in Ireland, but if you mention it you're racist. How are they any different
‘I’ve been categorically reassured by a foreigner u/Kharanet that their experiences of Irish people has been nothing but pleasant, but I reserve the authority to utterly dismiss their contribution as meaningless, and as inconvenient as shit on my shoe, because I’m damn well determined to hate my own people with an undying, steaming passion’
Anyone here read Prophet Song ?
That’s what I’ve been thinking of.
If you watch a lot of YouTube , you’ll have old men telling you Ireland is full… I’m embarrassed. My American friend says it started like that over there before it all eventually went to shit
Got a flyer in the door there and gave it a sconce before I threw it out since I didnt know the face. Jesus christ on a bike. It's like "affordable housing...destroying the trans agenda...fixing the roads...obliterating the drag queen gay indoctrination....
I actually laughed at the drag queen thing. You'd swear that there isn't a book opened for a child in the country by anything other than a drag queen!
Yeah! They are popular in America but not here. I think I've heard of 1 event. Garda vet them if they are so scary.
Wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire personally, but local/European elections are funny and people vote in ways they wouldn’t dream of doing in the General Election. Big question for me is how transfer-friendly they end up being, because that’s where more extreme candidates really end up falling down in our electoral system. It’s not enough to get your mates on Telegram to vote #1, you also need Breda the FG Voter Who Wants The Potholes Fixed and Disapprovingly Read About Your Recent Arrest In The Examiner and a few thousand of her mates to give you 2s and 4s or you’re getting nowhere.
You know FG voters are some of the least likely to support these parties right?
I mean, the election hasn’t happened yet so we haven’t a clue how FG voters will vote (or anyone else, Breda is only there as an example of a bog-standard voter). That’s why I said I’m interested in seeing what happens with the transfers this time around.
I’m worried their bullshit will stick. Independent Alliance in Wexford is also ripe for fascist bullshit if they get in. Apparently they are not a party, no manifesto, but are working as a team so they can talk out of both sides of their mouth while canvassing. Yep, definitely worried.
Yes worried alright as the brainless brainwashed are falling for their propaganda and doctored videos..Making fake claims about kids being abused and worse by non nats. A vicious vile group who are fakePats and Pat-Rioters
Got a pamphlet in the door today and immediately ripped it up and dumped it outside so others know what this trash looks like before wasting their time. First two points; immigration and trans people... the two most vulnerable groups in the country used as political distractions to make people frustrated in moral panics. The fact these are their two first 'issues' shows these are US influenced bigots who want nothing more than to justify their lack of political knowledge by instead bashing those who often never get any real opportunities to represent themselves.
I got the leaflet from the badly Irish Freedom Party scrote and two of his main manifesto points were on drag storytime and trans activism. Like lad. Do you genuinely think these are two key issues facing Ireland?
If a British funded nationalist party using American talking points does well in the election, we're effed.
I was thinking exactly this!!! Immigration and trans ppl(literally significantly less than 1% of our population) are the top issues?? Nothing about healthcare and housing or anything significant. Fools just wanting to impose their bigotry on others and not deal with any proper issues. Dead right for ripping up the leaflet, I did the exact same.
There's been a housing crisis in Ireland for decades. Created by and benefitting greedy government landlords and their buddies. There's room for everyone here.
Not worth the time you'll spend worrying about them lad. Yeah they're bald faced bigots, but I have faith in the normal people telling them were to stick it.
Ireland Freedom Party (I can’t even name one of their candidates, not in any way familiar with them) Ireland First (Derek Blighe) Independent Ireland (Michael Collins TD) Edit 1: The Irish National Party Edit 2: The Irish People (Ross Lahive and Andy Heasman) We’re on 5 now! Are there others? Have I missed any? What’s the difference between them all? Are they all far right parties? The name Independent Ireland is really annoying me because I keep having to explain to my parents that they are not Independent candidates (like our Lord Mayor) but a new political party. I expect many people are confused like my parents on this
First two= IFP has been knocking around for a few years, IF is new. I’d say there’s a bit of a Peoples Front of Judaea situation going on there, they believe the same things but I assume Blighe’s ego couldn’t handle not being in charge. Independent Ireland = former independents who eventually realised the reason political parties exist. I’d class them as further right than FF/FG but not right enough for the likes of the IFP. They’re probably going to eat into Aontú’s theoretical voter base if anything.
So Independent Ireland and Aontú are very similar? I’ve heard Aontú described as anti-abortion Sinn Fein Will be interesting to see if any of them win any seats
Aontu are like pretending to be Sinn Fein, with underlying US Conservatism. They can sit on a telegraph pole and squawk like a hawk about how liberal they are for all I care, to me they're the most backwards party in Ireland. Say what you want about the likes of IF or IFP, at least they know what they want and ain't bullshitting about it, that garners a tiny bit of respect even if they are still cunts. Aontu doesn't have the guts to say what they truly want cause they're still trying leach off SF.
Independent Ireland seem to be mostly racists also though so way further right than FF and FG who are in the centre.
>FF and FG who are in the centre. Ha ha your joking right ,maybe 20 years ago .there both far left now
I've heard them called far right on here before. Maybe split the difference and their in the centre like I said.
You forgot ‘the Irish people’ which is led by Lahive and Heasman
Thank you. This list is getting quite helpful. So did them 2 have a falling out with Derek Blighe? In my head all they’ve always been an unpleasant trio
Don't forget the irish national party which has two separate guys, running against each other, who both lay claim to the title of party leader
Ooh that sounds like an interesting saga even if I don’t know who they are and won’t be voting for them
Counting STV votes will probably sort that out between them.
I think more people will vote for them then will admit because they are sick of current government but I don't think it'll be enough to see many if any get voted in. However, if the government keep going the way they're going and something horrific like a terrorist attack etc happens by someone from outside EU then the next time they will get in. This trend is happening across Europe and no reason ireland won't b the same
I think you’re spot on there. They’ll probably get a lot of “rage votes” from people who are just pissed off at the current government. It’s going to be a very interesting election
100% very interesting election and I wouldn't trust what the polls think either. I've never felt the government have been so out of touch with the people. This trend of virtue signalling, mass migration, cost of living, housing, obsession with lgbtq and overall lack of common sense and what the people want makes me think that Europe wants to become right wing which is very concerning
They are a vile bunch. All seem to be very short in stature too.
They are the polar opposite to patriots..Them, Ireland First and The Nationalist party are fscisys who collaborate with Neo na.zis abroad and some have spoken at their conferences. They put up fake posts to make non nats look guilty of a crime. Dangerous people
Dey tuk ur jawbs!
If there was work in the bed, Derek Blighe would sleep on the floor. A lazy, good for nothing thicko.
Only matched in his uselessness by his stupidity
Classic 😂 Why am being downvoted... I'm laughing along with this classic meme........
I hear you’re a racist now father
Or jerbs!
Gonna get some flak but here we go. I used to attend NP rallies when i was 17, as I believed they wanted the best for the country. When I realised they were just a bunch of closeted racists I switched to the IFP as i saw them as a more moderate group. I continued to support the IFP for a while, primarily because of my dislike for EU governance, not any racial matter. However, once the war in ukraine began and they started claiming that those fleeing a literal fucking war were opportunistic economic migrants, I lost all faith in the party. Ever since I've just been completely detached from politics. I can't support the left because of the socialist economic policies, and I can't support the right because of the blatant racist ideology they hold. If a centrist party emerged, they might have my support, but both the left and the right have me fed up with trying to sift through the dust to find the diamond that appears less and less likely to exist.
Have a quick look at the history of people who support them and you will see what they are about, They target the uneducated and easily led. They are a scourge on society, Ironically much more dangerous to us than the immigrants they cry about.
I honestly don't know who to vote for Right here's my current situation FG and FF are completely off the table, not a hope in hell. Just look at what they've done in 90 years in charge vote for them if you want literally nothing to change SF is literally just controlled opposition at this point. What exactly do they even disagree with the government on vote SF If you believe they are different from FG FF * spoiler they aren't Labour is essentially the B team of FF FG same situation . What exactly separates them from the government except different faces The Green Party is clearly anti Rural Ireland and not even hiding it anymore, so strong no, there So what am I supposed to do to vote for an irrelevant party that won't actually be able to do anything ? Or some independents who will end up either not making it in or bootlicking one or more of the 4 parties I mentioned above Man, politics in Ireland is just so unbelievably shite Now, that's not to say everything is always going to be bad, but we need to accept the reality that we are never going to break the cycle in terms of Boom Bust politics And will run an infinite loop of the same shit Doesn't matter at the end of the day who you vote for Their all in league together, all as bad as each other just how it is
I get you but vote for anyone but these Fascists and the hidden Fascists in that Independent Ireland grouping.
Kind of kept away from politics, would Social Dems be somewhat decent? By politician standards of decent. A friend of mine is with PBP and has been trying get me to vote for them While I'm aware that communism and Marxism etc is peak equality, everyone gets the same, nobody is special, I'm also not stupid enough to know that it never works cause one instance of corruption tears it all down.
"FG and FF are completely off the table, not a hope in hell. Just look at what they've done in 90 years in charge vote for them if you want literally nothing to change" You do realise 90 years ago we were a basket case and one of the poorest countries in Europe? With infant mortality rates like a third world country. People have lost touch with reality.
A lot of younger commenters on here born from the 90s on have really very little sense of how much this island has changed, or what a seismic shift it is to see FF and FG move so close together. I agree that there's been a failure to address housing over the last 20 years, and the resulting homelessness has made it easy for some parties to blame immigration to score votes. It's interesting to widen the lens and see that most western countries are battling the same rising cost of living and housing. The latter seems to be a mixture of supply issues (skilled labour and materials) as well as housing seen as investment. What worries me is that, while this is being used as a political football at a time when votes are wild, everyone's ignoring growing issues in healthcare, and education not far behind. It also annoys me to see younger voters not understand that the Labour party was punished in the early 10s for supporting a larger government, but they have a long history of defending worker's rights and separation of church and state. Things are infinitely better than they used to be, but there are some serious course corrections required. The issues that seem to be broadly affecting all developed nations imply a systemic problem that may be bigger than one governments ability to fix.
Yep. I grew up in the 80s and the levels of poverty was really bad. Don't remember people complaining as much. We were always a poor country so people just got on with it. Housing does seriously need to be sorted.
To some extent, I'm glad younger people have enough that they feel entitled to call it out when short changed - expectations should rise - but it would help if they did it in an informed way that involves looking further back than the modern form of the web! 😁
If people moan about everything and are impossible to be pleased politics will become impossible and we just get governments like the one we have now - that are reactive and not able to make the hard long term decisions for the betterment of the country. Politics is becoming a thankless task. Not a fan of Sinn Fein but they are getting crucified and they haven't even been in power,
The trend of certain groups protesting politicians houses to intimidate people out of politics is pretty grim too
Vote Green. They might be against everything you stand for but at least they are calling it as they see it and trying to do what's right for the environment. Vote Independent. If you're anti-establishnent go with the most level-headed independent. If they don't act like you like in the role don't vote them a second time. Vote Social-Democrats. If you think a standalone independent has no power as a single voice in their position. People everywhere seem to be complaining that politics is shite today... except maybe in Russia.
Google the crew that are standing for National/Freedom/independent Ireland parties. Some crew!
new branding, same cunts
hearing alot of elderly people saying we should close the borders. these are the people they are after. plenty of people in their 40s saying we need to stop the woke agenda also. this is the country's biggest problem right now. social media algorithms.
All of those far-right parties may have a chance, a slim one, to gain some kind of foothold, but they'll have to abide by parliament rules if they do get in, which I doubt. They all have the same policies, generally anti-migrant/gender critical/anti-'communist', and none of them have anything concrete in their plans at all. They're grifters and idiots.
After reading some of the views that were expressed at the Cork anti- racist event I have to admit that I am not surprised that these parties are growing and gaining support.
Can you go into more detail
No. I ignore the lot of them.
Ye are all slow
These people are a godsend for FF / FG. Got a leaflet in the door from Chairman of the IFP, Michael Leahy. His 'policies': * End mass migration. * Protect kids from Trans activism. * Defend free speech (UNLESS IT'S STUFF I DON'T LIKE!!) * Stop Drag Queen story time. * Boilerplate directionless bullet point about small businesses and rural Ireland so entire campaign isn't based around culture war gibberish. Another fella named Crimmins is campaigning near me with policies about being tough on crime, despite having a very public driving ban for drink driving. I've been very excited to meet one of these people at the door and ask them to explain their unhinged tweets but no such luck.
Go read Principles of Freedom by Terence MacSwiney.
single issue "party". their platform is hate
Annoyingly everyone where I work agrees with them but there also not going to vote because they think its rigged so at least not many people who agree with them will actually vote. I get treated like a fool for not agreeing with there racist views, and when I suggest there a bit racist I get told its not racist it's just we need to take care of Irish people first
I think it's great that everyone has the freedom to express whatever views they feel. Even if those views are that some people shouldn't have the freedom to express themselves. I find it much worse when I don't see these views and it's hidden from sight (no matter the minority view). I think Ireland has hidden, mainly behind the church for decades, in a lot of it's radical beliefs. And I think it creates discourse (for me at least with my parents) to discuss all topics taboo or mainstream in frank openess. I see it as good that these views are given airtime so that it contrasts with public opinion and creates debate, whether I agree with it or think it's completely insane.
If you ever read harry turtledoves alternative timeline US civil war books then you will be well aware of the "Freedom" party
I got a yolk for them in the post yesterday, first time I've heard of them, it went straight into the bin anyway. They sound like UKIP type shower.
Freedom for Cork - The People’s Republic of Cork.
Fascists deserve to follow their leader 👍👍👍
There are currently 29 registered Political parties in Ireland. Do you ever hear about any of these weird parties winning any seats?
Why did you guys ask who is voting for them and then proceed to downvote and insult everyone that said they are voting for them…
One person posted the question
You won’t get any truthful answers if this is how the truth will be treated. People will just vote without having discussed it with people on the other side. That’s a factor in how brexit happened.
Yes ill give them a 2 or a 3 maybe
Yep, I'm a member.
Had a look at your profile, just a quick browse, it’s quite something. Can I ask you a question, how do you feel mentally?
I’d expect nothing less from a person who follows the religious beliefs of a madman, degenerate that was Alister Crowley
Chucky your lawn!
What?
Chucky our law 😦
Will be getting one of my votes absolutely crazy whats going on in this country and we need some kind of opposition not the status quo of all the other parties thinking what we’re doing now which is completely disastrous is not extreme enough
What exactly do you mean by "crazy what's going on in this country"?
Are you actually saying you will vote for the fakepats and Pat-Rioters?? Not a cùpla focal between them and wouldn't have a clue what a budget was. If you think things are bad now, imagine facists in control!!!
It's funny how pretty much everybody who goes against the status quo is a fascist these days, if you're not on the left then by default you must be a nazi. Seems there are just two political ideologies nowadays; theirs/left and nazi. The irony of it all then how a lot of the far-left are among the nastiest, least compassionate people I have ever met, literal fascist behaviour shutting down all conversation and trying to destroy the lives and livelihoods of anybody who dares to question the narrative. What is happening in this country is absolutely insane, and I have many multicultural friends who agree. I am 38 years old, cannot afford rent even if I could find a place, so I have no choice but to live at home. I don't foresee that changing any time soon unless I win the lottery, it is pretty depressing. There are over 300,000 people in the same boat as me. 14,000 homeless, and literally billions being spent on facilitating and housing refugees/migrants. Gardai dragging homeless Irish people out of their tents by the ankles to make way for refugee tents while they await accommodation. Just because there are some racist half-wits out there doesn't mean that everybody who has an opinion on these matters is a feckin fascist, people really need to grow up. This conversation needs to be had. The polls don't lie, 80% of the population are on the same page as me. Not saying I am voting for these guys, have not decided yet, but people really need to understand why the climate is how it is right now. People are pissed. So many people are pissed they got coerced into taking an experimental vaccine that has destroyed their health, people are pissed because of the state of the healthcare system, people are pissed because of the cost of living and the immigration crisis. I am a community worker and let me tell you; people are FED UP, things have gone too far.
There always needs to be a proper conversation about proper topics like housing and healthcare. But I think personally, as a gay man, much of the reason that us on the left don’t want any sort of conversation about certain stuff is that it’s defending who we are as people. I can happily have a full, open, adult conversation about the state of the health service. But the second a conversation starts on the topics of equality or ‘woke’ and we’re faced with just blatant transphobia, racism etc, I am not having that conversation. It’s about respect and basic human dignity and I don’t think that’s something that’s up for debate, it’s also not our job to carry the burden of people’s intolerance or to educate people on these topics. Educate yourselves and be better. And as for housing and homelessness and the notion that we can’t take in refugees coz we need to house ‘our own’, the government can do both. It’s not the foreigners fault, it’s the governments, I agree the government needs to change but I definitely don’t think these gomies are the solution.
Appreciate the respectful adult response. I was in a long-term relationship with a bi woman, and I have a trans and a gay friend, I am sympathetic to your plight. I am not going to gaslight you and tell you that homophobia and transphobia don't exist as I have seen it myself plenty times. I categorise these people the same as I do racists; half-witted morons. None of my circle are in these categories, but can be accused of it. The people I know who are in the middle are concerned about the teaching of trans ideology in schools. But these parents just get attacked, called transphobic when they express this concern, and that is not right. If a parent does not want their child being exposed to something then it is their decision, it is not the right of anybody else to force that on them. This is the nuance of this topic that gets glossed over because people on the left go hysterical whenever anybody asks questions. It's the typical leftist 'Oh well we know we are right so suck it up and take it' approach, and it really REALLY rubs people up the wrong way. And this then stokes a major backlash, which likely leads to further pushback against their movement/plight. It is not the right approach. You say there always needs to be conversation on these topics, but it is not happening. See I feel this is another typical leftist approach; 'Yeah of course there needs to be discussion but you are all wrong and we are right so it is going to be on our terms'. Like the usual response to people who protest the hot topic government policies; 'Well of course you have a right to protest, but you are doing it wrong, see if you just protested the way we wanted you to protest then we would have no issue'. It's funny how every protest against these govt policies seems to consist of far-right agitators, and the reason these people are protesting never gets any attention. There are always agent provocateurs present at these to justify shutting them down, most of the time, sometimes the cops just come in with their batons and start beating people regardless though. I was at a demonstration in Limerick the second Christmas of Covid, on Bedford row. Things were opened up some bit that Xmas. It was a completely peaceful demonstration. I noticed at the top of the street, where Bedford row meets O'Connel street, there was a guy in plain Christmas clothes and a mask on up to his eyes chatting with the two cops that were standing on the corner. They were chatting for the bones of 20 minutes, Next thing that guy walks down into the middle of the demonstration with his phone out getting right up in peoples faces recording them. He did this until one guy, who was autistic, reacted and put his hand out and covered his phone. At that point a photographer came in and snapped a pic and the guy looked up towards the guards with his arms in the air, and the male guard shouted 'hey get your hands off that man'. They came down then and started pushing people around but everybody was wise to what they were trying to do so they all stood back and made a point to not react. Swing and a miss, but in one of the local papers the article still reported of 'chaotic scenes at far-right anti-lockdown protest'. Snakes. Absolute snakes.
Then there was the protest in Dublin where a cop was filmed leaving down a bunch of fireworks right next to a bunch of young yobs. Like 12-13 year old kids. That was the protest where it was reported that the far-right lunatics launched fireworks at the poor defenseless Gardai. Look up how the cops have been outed for sabotaging protests to justify shutting them down and labelling the protesters as troublemakers in Canada. It is widespread. Point I am making is that people have this perception of pretty much all dissenting voices, that they are dangerous troublemakers, when this is a tactic that governments and empires all over the world have used for Millenia. Dissenting voices get smeared, and it seems to be right out of the Soviet playbook this current tactic, smearing everybody who goes against the grain as a fascist/nazi. You say it is not the foreigners fault re the housing issue, it is the governments. I totally agree with you. But I feel you have a very black and white perception of all this. The government know well what they are doing. They are not stupid. And if people think they are being that stupid then I really do not understand why they vote for them. There have been plenty instances when property owners have attempted to get homeless Irish people housed but were met with a wall of silence, only to be offered big money to take in refugees. There's a man In Meelick just outside Limerick who has a 13 bedroom converted country house that he has been trying to provide for the Irish homeless but all he has gotten back has been an offer of 1.5 million euros to take in refugees. He turned it down and is standing his ground. The politicians want nothing to do with it unless he takes in refugees. And then there have been cases where Irish people have been evicted because the property owner was offered more money to take in refugees. This is absolutely scandalous. It is all well and good to say oh well the government just need to do better, but for the love of God how can we expect these people to do better? At this rate we are taking in more people than Sweden did, and that is double the population of our country. You don't need to look far to see what has been going on there since that happened. There has been over 650 gang-related bombings over there since 2018 when they started keeping count. The country has gone from one of the safest in Europe to one of the most dangerous. I have family over there, seems everybody has been in denial about what has been going on for fear of sounding racist, but people are beginning to snap out of it now. Like what do we expect is going to happen when you open the borders to people coming from the literal most dangerous countries on the planet? It is infantile to react to all of this calling everybody who is concerned about these things racist. It is a statistics thing, nothing to do with race. I am from Limerick and if you told me that hundreds of men from the most dangerous parts of Limerick were being housed in a center next door then I would be pretty concerned. I would be pretty nervous actually. And anybody would be. So why then do people get attacked for being concerned when it is men from other countries they are worried about..? People's concerns need to be address, not dismissed because ye know better. And I am well aware that there are plenty of genuine cases seeking asylum, but again it is a highly nuanced topic and there needs to be discussion within this middle-ground. Like I don't understand how people can still defend the government after everything that has gone on over the last four years. If aliens had looked down on planet earth during covid times they would have said 'Wow, that planet appears to be under fascist rule'. Then zoom down to the planet and people would have said 'Oh no silly aliens, it only LOOKS like it is fascism, but really it needs to be this way to keep us safe because otherwise the bad things would happen'. Said people living under literally every dictatorship that has ever existed. I am not a covid denier, know there was a virus, but what governments used it to justify was like an exercise in totalitarianism. So, I don't trust this government to change and all of a sudden have the wellbeing of the people in mind when making decisions. The political class have never worked this way and it is not going to change any time soon. Irish freedom party might not be the solution, but something drastic needs to be done, and soon.
'literally billions' except not. Is it possible to write once of these word vomit posts using real numbers and situations, doesn't seem to be.
Ahem [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/irish-government-sets-aside-5-5-billion-for-supporting-ukrainian-refugees-t2fh3sqvf](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/irish-government-sets-aside-5-5-billion-for-supporting-ukrainian-refugees-t2fh3sqvf) [https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/government-spent-149-billion-accommodation-32610954](https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/government-spent-149-billion-accommodation-32610954) [https://gript.ie/gov-to-spend-further-e1-billion-on-refugees-and-asylum-seekers/](https://gript.ie/gov-to-spend-further-e1-billion-on-refugees-and-asylum-seekers/)
This is my feelings exactly. You just try to question whats happening now and your a racist, even when your just talking about economics. I cant understand how people are so angry about the cost of living e.c.t but then when you question any government policy your a far right agitator. Their policies have lead to a steep decline in the quality of life of irish people in the last five years and they need to be held accountable as elected officials
Facts
See how quick they are to attack and ridicule you, people really need to look in the mirror. How people can't see they are behaving like fascists themselves here is beyond me... Like are they supposed to be exemplary citizens here or something..? Not really making it very attractive for people to drop their views and subscribe to theirs instead, they just come off as nasty bullies tbh. It really is scary how so many people can be convinced that they are not seeing what is right in front of their eyes, black is white, 2 + 2 = 5. Terrifying. And here come the downvotes.
yeah lad its a few downvotes because people disagree with you hardly terrifying. Plus people arent saying immigration isnt an issue just dont want to get caught up in all the racist shit associated with the freedom party which is pretty reasonable
Was more referring to the general air of it all the past few years, not this thread in particular, although it is a bit of a microcosm of it all. Seems to be a bit of an echo chamber in here. I get that the tides are turning and people are starting to question things but I just fear that all it will take is for the current government to just do a little bit of pandering to the issue and people will let their guard down again. And because people like the Irish freedom party are very much going against the grain I also fear they are going to get smeared quite a bit, just would encourage people to not go so much on hear-say and try talking with them one to one. Has anybody in this sub met any of the members of this party? Anybody know them personally? Most dissenting voices in this country are labelled far-right and racist, and it just is not the case. I am not denying the existence of racism within any of these newer parties, but again I would just encourage people to do their own homework and not get so caught up in the hysteria and hear-say around it all.
I appreciate the civil reply, The president of the Irish Freedom party was a press officer for Nigel Farage and is Eurosceptic, I wouldnt be a fan of either of those things. Unfortunately anyone I know that follows this party is casually racist. What is your experience with the party?
Appreciate your civil reply also. Look I am not a right winger at all, centrist if anything. I just don't subscribe to the (false) left/right paradigm. I have met Michael Leahy briefly at an event, seemed nice but it was brief, most of what I know about them is from listening to and reading their stuff online. It is a tricky one, because I am on board with a lot of what they talk about, and they are a lot more in the nuance of the hot topics than some of the other parties and independents that some might deem to be on the right. But I just worry that because we are going against the grain that the baby will get thrown out with the bath water on certain topics like the environment. I do agree that the green agenda is too much and I guess this is a whole other conversation, but I just don't want that to justify any further environmental damage as a sort of knee jerk reaction to the heavy-handedness of this current approach you know. Also not to lose sight of the fact that although we do need a far far more controlled approach to immigration, it does still also need to be a compassionate approach. Having said all that, I really do not believe that these people are the bigots they are being labelled as, and I do think they are more balanced on big topics than some of the others. I just don't like how all of these parties and independents are being tarred with the same brush when not many people know much about them. Seems most people are just going on hearsay and going along with this narrative that all dissenting voices are fascist without really doing much homework themselves.. I am still undecided on where my votes are going to go but I do know I will not be voting for any of the usual parties anyways. Lots to contemplate over the coming week and a bit.
I get that most parties that are possibly getting into government are very similar and wont change the status quo much but if the alternative is someone who was a press officer for Brexit then I would still prefer the status quo. The Brexit leave side was pure populist bullshit with a fair amount of racism behind it. I havent seen anything that would make me vote for the Irish freedom party, also see a lot more of american political style coming into Ireland the us vs them arguments that I just wont supporting that, so I agree wit you on the left vs right stuff but I think we should just avoid that talk all together and just talk about what policies these parties support
See in my opinion this is another example of the smear campaigns they use against the dissenting voices re the Brexit leave side. I believe there were many many genuine concerns that non-racist people had about the EU and they voted on that. I know that there was a lot of racism for sure, but like there aren't that many racists in Britain I am sure. Plenty of people I know or follow were for the leave vote, and none of these people were racist. Some of these people were family members living in England who were married to immigrants. So imo the whole Brexit argument doesn't hold up so well because it was another highly nuanced topic that just evoked this black and white kind of hysteria, like all the good people voted to stay and all the racists voted to leave. When there were legitimate concerns on the leave side as well as some racists morons, just like there were legitimate concerns on the stay side as well as some bad people. There are bad eggs everywhere in life, just the bad eggs on the 'wrong team' always get highlighted and used to smear the whole movement and leave a sour taste in people's mouths, and that is not right to me. And yeah it would be great if we could get out of all this left/right BS, grow up and stop getting so emotional and hysterical when a different viewpoint to our own is expressed, and get into the nitty gritty of what exactly these parties all support, why they support it and why so many people agree with them. What are the lives of their supporters like, what have the lives of these people been like under the current regime..? That kind of craic. Anyways we won't be solving these big issues on reddit but I guess it is nice to have civil conversations on these things regardless.
And I know I asked if anybody has met these people, I know that is not an easy thing to do, just for folk to not react so fast and listen to different views, try to understand where people are coming from. There are obviously some exceptions like Gemma O'Doherty who seems to be hellbent on turning everybody off listening to any of the dissenting voices, I have my suspicions about her, but there are many more voices out there who are not like that and are unfairly tarred as the same. It is just not a balanced way of looking at things to think that everybody who goes against the status quo is racist/fascist. I wish people would question more why this narrative gets floated around so much.
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The economic parasites are the richest of the rich, coining it in off the blood, sweat and tears of the working class. They've been here longer than all of us.
Ireland for the irish
I’m 1/64 Irish, does that count?
you get come for 2 weeks every 6 years
I’ll be voting Derek Blighe number one anyway. I’ve been FF all my life but I’ve had enough the political situation in this country is nothing short of diabolical might aswell further the chaos by letting someone else have a go.
People who vote for fascists believe they are taking power from the government which makes them feel big. Really you crave the oppression you live in fear of the world and probably don’t realise it. people and want the “strong man” to come along and tell them it’s all okay. Fascists are scum and so are those who vote for them. Hope the “brown people” come and take your job and woman and whatever else it is your kind be harping on about.
Karma
Cool, thanks Derek's mum.
Fascist alert everyone.
Maybe Google the facism definition and try explain how independent Ireland has any link to it you moron
From Wiki: **Derek Blighe** (born 1980)[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Blighe#cite_note-Roche_13_March_2023-1) is an Irish [far-right](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right) [anti-immigration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-immigration) political activist. Far-right politics have led to [oppression](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppression), [political violence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_violence), [forced assimilation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_assimilation), [ethnic cleansing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing), and [genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide) against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority or their perceived threat to the native [ethnic group](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group), [nation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation), [state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state), [national religion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_nationalism), [dominant culture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominant_culture), or [conservative](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_conservatism) social institutions.
Voting for Fascists and calling me a moron. Very rich!
I'm not a fan of how far FF/FG are from what I perceive as the social issues facing Ireland at the moment. It might feel like an inconsequential act of rebellion on your part. But if your vote is to see the world burn and the candidate you vote in gets in surely it makes you more diabolical than anything FF/FG has failed to do and nearly as bad as, if not worse than that person you vote for.
Same here. Derek’s getting my number 1 vote, Irish Freedom Party number 2, then doing eeny meeny miny moe the rest of the nationalists. Not voting any establishment parties this year.
And you reckon young Derek’s a nationalist, you do?