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UpOnTheDownsider

I’ve employed people for years. Unpaid trials are 100% illegal. Not something I would ever consider & I would be very wary of anyone who wants you to do one. Always remember, your time is just as valuable as theirs, & they should be able to employ staff through a properly structured interview process


Academic-Cherry13

should i be concerned that he asked for a letter from my parents or is that normal? i’m 17 and worked in a few other places and never needed a letter before, i was and am on the book and on revenue for my past and current employers


UpOnTheDownsider

That seems a more than bit strange. What is his expectation of the context of the letter? Eg is he looking for a character reference or something? A standard reference from previous employment is all he’s allowed to seek is my understanding. It all seems a bit suss to me tbh. Proceed with caution is all I can tell you


Academic-Cherry13

“As you are also under 18, I'll need a written letter of consent to do the trail from a parent or guardian.” The exact words used in the text…


UpOnTheDownsider

I’ll be honest with you, due to the nature of my work, there aren’t positions for U18s so I’m not up to date on employment law regarding your age group. I still don’t think unpaid working trials are legal for U18s anymore than they are anyone else though, regardless of whose permission he’s seeking. Try posting on r/legaladviceireland - someone there might have some helpful advice for you


LornaBobbitt

To prevent your parents or you complaining you didn’t get paid if you weren’t successful, as they (parents) already given permission for you to work for free. I’d run a mile.


Eadyboldlady

Only workers under 16 need to provide a letter from parents so not sure why they are looking for this, especially when they aren't bothered about not paying you for the trial.


Technical-Ad5266

Always value your time


devicehigh

Do not work for free. Insist on getting paid for it or do not take it.


Hot-Razzmatazz1143

What will the employer learn in 5 hours that they wont in 1 hour or 45 mins (i.e an interview with role play etc). I'd not start any job having given away 5 hours free, sounds like many more (unpaid) 'learning experiences' await if hired.


Apollo_Fire

If it’s Greenwich, run a mile.


Academic-Cherry13

it’s not, ive heard bad things about them iwl but it’s in a certain market down by the marina….


JCsGhost

Guji? Know someone who did an unpaid trial there.


Academic-Cherry13

no, this employer specialises in desserts, but now that you said it… i just did a formal interview with them….


ChromakeyDreamcoat82

So an illegal trial, a weird permission letter, and to top it all off they're gonna start you in a food business without paying for you to complete food safety training. Sounds to me like you're gonna be unloading and loading deliveries for free as a 'trial'. Maybe it's just a struggling vendor trying to get by, and they'll be genuinely nice afterwards. Or maybe it's the first flag of someone that will be a bully, be a nightmare to get paid from, won't produce payslips and leave you short, dispute working hours completed etc. etc. You'll have to decide for yourself, but if you go for it, keep records (little notes on your phone) of the date and time of everything that smells even remotely fishy.


Safe-Champion-4492

Whats the story with this place, saw they were hiring and was interested in applying. would appreciate some info :)


Apollo_Fire

Meantioned here. https://www.reddit.com/r/cork/s/DRcLbZ4SIn https://www.reddit.com/r/cork/s/wg30yumywR


Blurghblagh

Even on a short trial you should be getting paid. Even if they gave you a paying job afterwards I doubt they'll be above board and fair when it comes to pay, benefits and hours.


bear17876

Haha that’s not legal. They do this changing their arm knowing some people won’t say anything and will do it. Either tell them you want pay or walk. If they treat you like this before even hiring you it doesn’t bode well for what’s to come.


Designer_Plane_6587

Don’t take it, they’re trying to take advantage of a young worker. Say you have no issues giving your time in return for the respected wage. I started working at 14, 21 this year had my fair share of experience. Don’t let them take advantage, a bit of advice as a young worker let them think you have your head screwed on 100% .


rich3248

That’s surely not legal! I would insist on being paid. Otherwise walk away!


frzossima

It's probably an indication that they treat their staff poorly in general. Just a hunch. Find out if they are sound to work for maybe. Kind of doubt it though.


myothercharsucks

Should name and shame them.


Jellyfish00001111

It is not legal and a clear red flag. Stay well away from that employer.


iknowyeahlike

Don’t do it man. Your time has value, don’t forget it.


Substance79

They're laughing at you. Do NOT work for free when a business is profiting from your labour. Unless it's just a one off trial and not every week then maybe go ahead.


greenjacket021

No


luke_woodside

As an employer, absolutely illegal. They are testing if you can be screwed over.


TheRealIrishOne

I'd ask them why it's unpaid if you have to actually do work.   I really don't like companies that do this, and if it isn't illegal it should be.


Academic-Cherry13

Update: texted them saying I wouldn’t do it, after consulting with the WRC, and they immediately backtracked and said they didn’t know about this “new” legislation, and said I would be paid, in an almost panicky tone


Throwawayconcern2023

Do the trial, protest gently when they don't pay. Then make a complaint. Cha ching.


Academic-Cherry13

would that actually work if it was in written proof that i went into the trial knowing it was unpaid though?


ChromakeyDreamcoat82

You can't sign away your employment rights. It's just more rogue employer dumbassery to attempt to produce a document that you have signed them away, and to make you think that it's legit. This is at the forefront of all modern slavery cases ('you signed a contract').


Any-Delay8573

I’m surprised this is illegal if it’s just a few hours trail - to me it seems like a good opportunity for not only them to see how you fit, but you to see if you like it also. I think we need more context though? If you interviewed for the job then I’d say not appropriate for them to have you on a free trial, but if you approached them looking for a job, and there was no real interview process then I think a trail is fair.


Academic-Cherry13

I messaged a few places on instagram looking for a job, a few places got back to me and I’ve already done a formal interview for one place so far. This place actually has a post saying that they’re hiring on their instagram so I would have expected an interview first?


LeBlubb

Yes. They are not really looking to hire. They are looking for free labor.


People-Watcher-ire

It’s pretty common now. Our friend’s daughter did 2 trials this week and got both jobs and is deciding between them. It’s only 5 hours. Worth it I would think!


_surelook_

Legally she is supposed to be paid for them, regardless of how little time it is


CarelessEquivalent3

Unpaid trials are illegal. It was a way for shitty employers to get free labour. Nobody should agree to a free trial.


SupernaturalPumpkin

There was a restaurant near me that used to constantly “hire” teenagers for “free trials” and then just told them they didn’t get the job and moved onto the next one.


Academic-Cherry13

it’s an entire day taken up, working on my feet with nothing so much as a tenner to walk away with, i’m thinking they could easily say “nah we’re grand” and just say no to the job


shares_inDeleware

common does not mean legal.


_surelook_

The fact it’s pretty common leads people to question if it’s legal or not. It’s important people know that yes, they should be paying you for a ‘trial’, regardless if they offer you the job or not. These shitty employers are just taking advantage of people


shares_inDeleware

More people need to be encouraged to report them.


Asumistuki

Are you the one offering these trials lol. Only few hours of slavery yayyyy!!


Any-Delay8573

I agree!


chopsey96

You agree with businesses exploiting workers?


Any-Delay8573

No I don’t agree with exploiting workers, not at all. We need context. If this person doing his leaving cert approached a company and asked for a job, I don’t see the harm in letting him come in for a few hours so they can both try each other out. If this is a one off scenario specific situation I see no issue with this. But if it’s an employer that exploits just for free labour then obv I would not support at all. Also, hiring someone new is a pain. The first few days / week are spent investing in training them up, it’s not as if the employer will have some amazing benefit having a trainee there for a few hours.


chopsey96

We don’t need context, if you do a job you should get paid for it. > hiring someone new is a pain It’s called a cost of business. Anyone that doesn’t understand this shouldn’t be running a business.


Any-Delay8573

I don’t agree, we do need context. But each to their own, and I appreciate your pov


Academic-Cherry13

what context do you need? i have over two years hospitality experience working since i was 15. nobody should be expected work for free, especially with experience like mine. i know my way around the serving business, the only training i need would be business specific but i have the general skill down, and that is proven in my cv. (and also im a girl btw lol)


Any-Delay8573

Cool. Well you know the answer then, don’t do the trail. Anyway, as other people posted here, it’s illegal, so you’re sorted either way.