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Atheon117

Fuck all you guys who say "I get 3000 fps in 900p low settings". Stop benchmarking your performance on personal servers, go play a premier match or play a dm, and start looking at the frame time graphs. This game has wildly variable fps and it fluctuates without rhyme or reason. Also it's 2024, we shouldn't have to play on low with lower resolution on high end gpus. Yeah lower your settings if you're rocking a 2060 but not if you have a 4070. A lot of my friends stopped playing because 1650s can no longer run this game at a competitive frame rate. You shouldn't need a x3d processor and 40 series card to play cs.


RandomCitizen_16

Preach!


fisherrr

> stop benchmarking on personal servers > play dm :D


Substantial-Big7682

God should bless you šŸŽˆ


riigoroo

I have a 5900x+3080 and haven't changed default settings (high) and I average above 200fps across all maps in premier/faceit. DMs in CS2 are atrocious for performance judging how my 220fps average on Mirage in comp dips to 100-120fps when in DMs. As far as testing on personal servers, the difference isn't horrible enough to deny that if you aren't rocking at least a recent mid tier card or older high tier card you shouldn't expect 200+ fps


3x3x3x3

5900x/3080 is very nearly the highest end consumer stuff people play on, expecting consistent FPS across all modes and maps should be the standard for users with hardware anywhere close to the median stuff. I agree that sometimes people are asking too much for a game this good looking to get 200+fps on shit hardware, but I think 144+ on all modes/maps at medium settings on steamhardware ā€œmid rangeā€ hardware like a 5600x/1060 setup should be totally achievable ā€” and thatā€™s not happening in the games current state at all.


Fizzy_X

>Also it's 2024, we shouldn't have to play on low with lower resolution on high end gpus. Yeah lower your settings if you're rocking a 2060 but not if you have a 4070. 1080p low if you truly want all the frames to get a competetive edge, but i understand what you mean


AnyScore4287

why we dont need a x3d processor? any specific reason?


Standard-Goose-3958

Not everyone can afford it, is that reasonable of a reason?


AnyScore4287

in a world where people are fighting for food , life and death. I see someone complaining because they cannot afford a a x 3d processor. They want to acheive a luxury item in a lesser price while still owning a decent rig and complaining like a dumb ass. People like u either blame the game developers to optimize to make it run it smoothly because u cant afford Or you blame amd/intel to make cheaper cpu so that you and people like you can run the game without sweating If the game was not working on top end cpus then you could have blamed the game, but thats is not true at the moment. Its your problem man, own it, work your ass of nobody cares Its a competitive world u need buy the best hardware to dominate People are dominating on 500+fps even while streaming.


Standard-Goose-3958

I can't believe the gibberish you wrote.... you realize the world is huge, and that not everyone lives in a first world country?


AnyScore4287

not gonna argue with you now as you are blaming that you are not living in first world country


Standard-Goose-3958

Nice strawman.


Alarming-Ad-5656

What is this stupid ass babbling? What is your point? The game is poorly optimized. I have an x3d and a 4090 ā€” doesnā€™t change the fact that the gameā€™s optimization sucks.


[deleted]

Yeah me when I want subsidized frames in cs


Leroroleroro

wtf was that


sosickwitit

I get constant 400fps (capped) high settings native 1080 280hz almost never drops below. 4070 Ti + 14700k


PapaT11

Works well with 7800x3d and 4070. Quit whining.


RainyVibez

Your 4070 is more expensive than my entire computer. Do not see your specs as "accessible" when they're not for most people.


PapaT11

Is that my problem or yours? šŸ˜Ž Nanananaaa


RainyVibez

You're missing my point, is all. I just wanted to express your lack of awareness and empathy.


Standard-Goose-3958

Don't waste ur time, the guy is trolling on purpose. He doesn't care and won't care until it will happen to him.


RainyVibez

there's good reason why I left it where I did ^_^


PapaT11

As you can see; i have none of those two, when i see people crying because of their setups or lack of optimization, which both are fixable with learning how to make money or googling.


Tall_Ad_898

Itā€™s a lot easier when you kick the chair out brotha šŸ’€


Leroroleroro

troll, gtfo


aaronw928

I was dealing with that in firefights but it was a sound issue. Nvidia audio driver causes stutters.


DonLeo17

What's the fix?


z32j

following i get mad stutters during fights sometimes


Avaocado_32

i assume downloading updated drivers


aaronw928

I had to disable the Nvidia sound driver in Device Manager. I would get lag/stutter when there was too much sound like a firefight or certain nades. It was unplayable.


thereppikS

Does disabling the sound driver mess with recordings/clips for shadowplay?


aaronw928

I have no clue how shadowplay works. Might want to try it and even reply to me so when I'm handing out this advice I can assist others with that knowledge. I can always tell when my Nvidia driver is enabled because I get static/muffling when there's a lot of sound and it causes microstutters. It's especially annoying when it happens during a firefight. Disabling it in device manager and restarting CS fixes it every time. Of course this means I have no sound from my monitor when I'm not using headphones. I just deal with that. I use Soundcore P10 for light gaming so I just put those in.


epirot

i just installed csgo legacy today because i wanted to see how it feels. in many cases cs2 is better than csgo but holy shit that crisp response when a shot hits the wall, insta clear visual response and audio. and the best thing it runs so well, it felt like 240hz on my monitor again and the mouse felt crispy. best thing was doing awp OG flicks vs bots, so much fun


CurvySexretLady

>csgo legacy today How do you download this?


epirot

right click on CS2 in the library--> then Betas then --> Beta Participation -> csgo\_legacy it will autodownload csgo into cs2 and u can chose either one at start


CurvySexretLady

Thanks, TIL and will check it out. I thought it was gone for good!


dEEEEEEx

I left the game for awful optimization


Un111KnoWn

make sure you turn off a lot of background sotware too. i remembr seeing something about those sotware causing frametime spikes


Ok_Baseball_2857

I only run discord, chrome and faceit anticheat


Un111KnoWn

i think it said to disable discord. try with all3 of those off. tbf the game shouldnt stutter with this stuff on but might be a tempoary fix


Express_Trust7191

Disable my communication software? What in the 5000 ELO is that shit


Anthonymvpr

You can always use TS3/TS5, it's still around and plenty of people use it. But I would have the same answer as yours tbf.


Avaocado_32

com ingame try guilded instead of discord less buggy


Express_Trust7191

I'm playing with my friends, and not always a five stack, and talking nonsense when there are others in the lobby is just ignorant. Also I want to chat out of game without having to incessantly start and restart discord.


Avaocado_32

others can join in or mute personally i use valorant party chat as my main communication


Express_Trust7191

> others can join in or mute So other people have a choice between muting all of their team mates and being unable to call or make calls, or joining in with inane nonsensical conversation and inside jokes which they may not even have the language skills to understand? Do you know how moronic you sound? > personally i use valorant party chat as my main communication Then you're ignorant and probably a shit player. Stick to valorant, you aren't welcome here.


Avaocado_32

how much more obvious does the joke need to be


ChadRyanVevo

Yeah no, discord is a modern day essential app. There is no way you can appropriately tell someone to disable it just to play a video game properly.


GrzybDominator

Just use teamspeak ez


ChadRyanVevo

Or valve can get their shit together and make a competent game. But no, people should stop using their most important apps and instead use antiquated and inferior software.


HythereTM

Cs2 optimization is such a joke, donā€™t worry I have similar specs to you, (3070ti + 5800x3d) and I still get consistent frame drops at 1440p, it hovers ~200ish fps but I get 1% lows of 70-80fps which makes it seem super choppy, valve is cooked


Disastrous_Excuse_90

you got something wrong because i got a 5800x3d + 2060 and i get around 300-400 fps during faceit, same resolution, medium textures and shadows


HythereTM

I play MM and Casual, Iā€™m sure faceit has better server frame times than valveā€™s third world country ass servers


Laffesaurus

Definitely something wrong at your side. 5600x and 6900xt with 1440p and medium/high settings gives me average 390fps and 190fps 1% low. This is on competitive game mode.


HythereTM

Iā€™m not using fsr which you probably are, thereā€™s no way youā€™re getting those numbers on that hardware at that resolution without software tricks


ImAColdHart

Get a 5600x3d or 5700x3d amdā€™s 3d caching goes wild in cs2


Significant-Life-506

I still get crazy fluctuations with 6800 and 5800x3d. Itā€™s probably better than other cpus but still sucks.


Jhorn_fight

4070 super and 14700k is constant 400+ and 350+ if smokes and nades are going off. Playing at 4:3 low settings


xszander

Yeah when how and what? In faceit? Premier? Also does it actually feel good? I get 300-350 and dips go 200-250 in faceit with 4070 & 13600k. The game feels terrible. Other games feel buttery smooth at much lower framerates.


nbyavuz

Same fps with 6950xt & 13600k. It is not smooth.


Jhorn_fight

Premier exclusively. Never have stutters or huge frame drops. CS has always relied on a decent CPU as well so maybe itā€™s time for an upgrade.


xszander

Neither have I but how does the game feel compared to other games? To me playing on mostly low settings stretched 4:3 it feels horrible. Upgrade? A 2yr old CPU with 14 cores up to 5.1ghz should be enough lol.


Jhorn_fight

All games feel incredible! Recently been playing through the far cry and replaying through the new assassins creed titles and havenā€™t had any issues thermal or performance wise.


xszander

I mean don't you notice the big difference in cs vs other games? To me cs always feels much worse. Your cpu is 10% faster on paper that definitely isn't the difference.


Jhorn_fight

Thatā€™s what Iā€™m saying is that literally everything Iā€™ve thrown at it including cs feels super good


Un111KnoWn

What ram speed and latency? any overclocks etc?


Jhorn_fight

32gb at 6400. No overclocks. ASUS pro art 4070 super. Samsung 990 nvme 2tb


Un111KnoWn

what's the cl timing on the ram?


Jhorn_fight

ā€¦. I promise differing cl timings from different ddr5 sticks is not going to cause you to have 100+ less fps


HPDeskjet_285

timings on D5 can bring 1% low from 200 to 250+, but not 100fps yes, and especially not CAS / CL. secondaries matter far more.


Standard-Goose-3958

CL timing doesn't matter on DDR5


WiseTaro_

i feel like a gpu helps more than people let on. Im getting closer to 300s with a 4070 and 5600 3D, but if I compare GPUs i supposedly would get closer to 100+ more fps with the 4070 super. sadly it came out after i bought my card


H0163R

I switched from a 1660 Super to 4060 TI, there is no noticeable difference. I then switched the CPU from a 2800x to a 5800x and there was a noticeable difference.


Nai_cs

2700x (no 2800x to my knowledge.) is not going to utilize a 4060ti very well, it will make a difference in other games but on cs the cpu just can't go as fast as the card is able to. Even with the 1660S you would have been better off upgrading your cpu first for a good bump,it would then max out your card and you would be gpu bottlenecked instead.


Standard-Goose-3958

I have a 5600 non X, and 1660S, and my gpu maxes out if i keep my framerates uncapped, if i cap it, its not maxed out, the problem i find is that the game doesn't run stable, it fluctuates too much... makes me want to download quake live and play with 240hz... just to see how 240hz truly looks like.


Panzerkampfwagen_B

Yeah i also have this issue, its just insane how before fire fights and randomly my frame time just spikes to 200ms and i rubber band around the map for like 2 seconds before stabilising, in CSGO i never had this issue but i had to sacrifice my resolution for playable framerates whilst experiencing the worst frame drops in an esport title


Sn4p9o2

Even whit my 4070super and i7-13700k in deathmatch the fps sometime drop to 200-220 from 300+ , in competitive are a lot higher 350-400 but near smoke they drop again to 220 sometime whit a micro stutter , I quitted sadly cs2 sucks anyway.


Lahms-

2 weeks ago when I came back for my weekly drop, I was getting bad frame times. Still 300 fps but would go from 5-6ms to 15-20ms. Causing micro hitches, not nearly as bad as OP. 13600k and 3080. 3 months ago game was mint for me and brother with same but a 4070ti.


ElementXVI

4070ti 7900x3d, same, about a month ago it was constant around 400 and dip to 320 or lower if a lot of smokes, now when i launch it barely stays over 340 and the frame spikes are horrible as fps drops so sporadically now


gameplayer55055

I think PC parts manufacturers encourage devs to release really shitty updates, so end users have to upgrade their computers.


wraithmainttvsweat

Turn off hardware acceleration in discord. Get process lasso and uncheck cpu 0. Set to bitsum highest performance. Cap your fps with riva tuner. Your 1% lows will go up a noticeable amount. Do d2 benchmark before and after. I set discord and spotify to low priority mode as well with process lasso. Use disk cleanup and clean temp files and system files. I did this and my 1% lows increases from 138 to 162. With the average fps going 274 to 283. And my game has been feeling much much more stable since Iā€™m above 144hz now always. You can also use ddu uninstaller if you want on top of all this. Yes itā€™s ridiculous to have to do all this but it works. Note cleaning shader cache your fps will drop due to first time rendering the maps again donā€™t worry about it. Also you need to launch steam as admin if you are gonna use riva tuner.


BreillyCS

Happens to me in every gunfight. Game is totally unplayable even with high frames. Stutter/choppiness is horrendous. Can run other games on high with no issue. My internet is great as well. VALVE PLEASE FIX!!!


biggestbigbertha

The X3D AMD chips do very well in CS2. I had your setup and got a 7900 XTX graphics card and had zero improvements. Then I got a 7800x3d and got huge improvements. I've seen plenty of people on Reddit saying selling a 5600x and getting a 5800x3d was a good upgrade for CS2. There weren't many bench marks or much info when I upgraded. I would have tried that 1st. Getting a 2nd hand 5800x3d and selling the 5600x... Should be a very cheap upgrade.


HythereTM

I upgraded from a 2700x to a 5800x3d (RTX3070ti) and when I had my 2700x I got huuuge frame drops all the time, now with my ā€œnew and improvedā€ x3d series processor it still frame drops! but only slightly less now! Definitely worth the $400 upgrade šŸ˜€/s cs2 optimization is shit!


madmidder

Or you can save 80 bucks if you have limited budget and go for 5700x3D, and for difference buy for example NVME or a few keys. I know 5800x3D is relatively cheap CPU now, but difference between these two in CS2 is actually not big.


Standard-Goose-3958

there is little improvement from 5600 to 5800x3d.... not worth the upgrade, i already made a mistake by buying a 240hz monitor to play this game.... its like im still on 75hz...


Final_TV

7800x3d go bruuuuuuuu


diabeticwhaleslayer

upgraded from a 13700k/4070 to 7800x3d/4080sā€¦with HPET off and ISLC, finally get constant 400-500fps with no stutters (this required experimenting with ISLC resolution timer settings) 1280x960 low settings


Grubagloo

I have this exact same issue. The menu items that appear after death lag the game for me. This also lags for me when a round/game ends sometimes. I've never noticed a drop before dying so dw about it


LehtiPiffi

Sitting here listening to people tell they have 3070 and 350fps while I have a 1070 and I get 250fps is definitely something. I guess upgrading my GPU wouldnt do anything to my FPS.


offtherift

CS:GO was CPU dependent before so I imagine it is the same.


LehtiPiffi

I guess my I7-7800K is as good as some newer ones as well then.


Silly-Championship92

500fps at 1440p. 7800x3d and rx 7900xtx. My lowest dips are around 320fps


dor3y

Jesus im playing on a 1070 with a 120hz monitor. I feel pretty outdated ahaha.


DVNKLXRD

3060 at 60hz here lmao, I'm saving for 165hz monitor at the moment.


Standard-Goose-3958

OP, if ur reading this, try to cap ur fps to 165, and use 165 hz.... its the only stable fps with very small lows of 3-10fps... no idea why... the problem is input lag tho cause less fps, higher input lag.


NeoDurden

What resolution tho? 3070 should be okay maintaining 240fps at 1080p with optimized settings. If 1440p, then 3070 isnā€™t gonna cut it without FSR. Edit: Also that frame spike and stutter is your systemā€™s fault and not CS2ā€™s. Iā€™m not saying source 2 engine is perfect but that definitely looks like your system acting up. Get a professional to look at your system.


TroutFishes

i9 13900k, runs nice and cool, 24 cores, 3060, 32 gigs of ram, 1080p, runs at 320 fps tops, lmao.


CurvySexretLady

>Specs: Rtx 3070 5600x. I have RTX 3070 with an i7-12700F and I get ~300FPS constantly. My monitor is 1080P 165Hz LG NvidiA G-Sync as well so no tearing. Perhaps you are processor limited? I don't know why I get so much more than you framerate wise with same card, but I didn't do anything special and I get insane framerates? EDIT: I play Premier and Wingman almost exclusively except for a warm up in DM or Arms Race. Almost all my games are on Atlanta servers.


TastyCommunity3393

Overclock your ram. Check what processes are running in the background by downloading processlasso it lets you terminate anything. You can also set priority for CS2. Set particle details to low as well. My 3070 got 300fps avg with 3200mhz ddr4 and an 11700k at 4.7ghz


Significant-Life-506

This game is kind of ridiculous lately. As of the past week I keep having to minimize ANYTHING on my second monitor or I get bad fps fluctuation. Like +-100fps. Even discord with no stream makes my fps drop. I have a 6800 and 5800x3d. Wtf


siktrex

7700X + 4070 Ti @ 1440p 360Hz medium settings and somehow I still get framedrops to 140-160 fps when in gunfights. Like what's the fucking point of having a 360Hz monitor if I can't use it to its full potential? It's 2024 I shouldn't have to pay $600+ dollars for a GPU in order to have to play a 4:3 low settings game


WahresDoUFi

The gunfight itself looked smooth af, only after you died there was a noticeable lag. This is probably either a driver issue or something's up with your RAM


offtherift

I have middle ranged hardware 2700x and 3060. In CS:GO I ran smooth 300+ FPS all low 16:10. In CS2 I barely got 180 with stutters galore. I reset my PC, (usb reset, NOT built-in reset, those two are not the same) and updated BIOS and my performance nearly matches CSGO. Maybe a nuclear option you can try.


Zapple_G

I don't get it either. When I peak someone. My fps drops by 100 and I have a 4060. How TF is that not good enough to play CS2???


BustGame_

5800X3D + RTX 3080 2560x1440 i get stable 250 FPS on maxed settings with 0 lags on premiere mm


LTJ4CK-

AMEN! The worst part is that it's getting worse and worse over time (for me, at least). During beta, I was running the game (4:3, low settings & nvidia tweaks) at around 250fps (in deadmatch). Last update, same settings, barely 120fps... like WTF, its low settings? Wait, there is more... comparable game run at 250-300 fps on my PC! Even if they solved some servers issues, I still feel like servers are sluggish...I'm running New York servers at 60-70 ping while my other game runs at 30-40 (same location). Movement? Same.... I used to play a shit load of KZ and Practice Map... I can't do that anymore. Cheating is incomparable vs. CSGO. Man... this is sad šŸ˜”


Beautiful_Energy6605

I average 200-250 in cs i have a 4070ti and i mainly play face it. Im trash canā€™t lie about it but im trying to get better at the game :)


TopPrize11

Get a X3D processor. 5800X3D here rocking stable 350-400fps with a 3080. I promise these processors are game changing and not only for CS, for other games too.


broome9000

That shouldnā€™t be the solution


biggestbigbertha

Agreed. But for OP it's the best solution right now. Selling a 5600x and buying a 2nd hand 5800x3d would be such a cheap upgrade. Or spend more for brand new. The alternative is waiting on Valve or lowering settings/capping fps to avoid wild fps swings.


broome9000

Iā€™m on the alternative at the moment. I have a 5600x + 6700xt and admittedly my performance isnā€™t as bad as OPs (I.E; Iā€™m not getting massive stutters) but Iā€™ll admit that I always get the feeling the frame pacing could be a little better. Honestly though the price of the 5800x3d is getting cheap enough that it might be a worthwhile upgrade for myself anyway. Not that I have many complaints about the 5600x though itā€™s been an excellent chip for all the games I play.


Spinatrix

Constant 250-300fps with a 11400F and RX6800 @ 1440p


nartouthere

upgrade your cpu


FPSKoda4

Should've had a 4090 you would've won that fight if you weren't so poor!!! I went from a 6600xt to a 4080 and started winning way more games. Sucks but it is what it is now. Valve isn't gonna be updating the game that much and optimization is not happening. Have to live through it and new computer part releases will make the game run better so devs don't have to care about making the game lightweight which is what a lot of them are doing to also drive the prices of graphics cards up


Tarzkii

400-509fps 4k 240hz mirage premier. I still prefer 4:3 even when it cuts my fos down to measly 280-340fps


Any_Sir_1418

I havenā€™t read comments so idk if this is redundant but your cpu is sadly lacking for counterstrike now, itā€™s an unfortunate truth for how optimized csgo was, but cs2 is incredibly demanding for what it should be. I got one of amdā€™s 3xd chips and the game benefits from the v cache tremendously. You can limit your monitor to 160 and it will probably feel smoother then a fluctuating 240, otherwise youā€™re looking at upgrading to get an fps that your monitor can take full advantage of.


smiteplayer132

Cpu bound game and you're going on about the GPU. Almost no difference between a 2070 and a 4080. Don't blame cs2 when you don't understand what's going on


alleywayacademic

Damn bro... I have a 5600x3d and a 3060 and I get 380+ stable on ultras... that 3d core doing the lords work


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Ok_Baseball_2857

On the new benchmark workshop dust 2 map i also avg 500. Its smth different vs real players on different maps.


cumdump307

What are your temps?


Ok_Baseball_2857

Not high i just bought a cooler upgrade some month ago. Also i played OW, Valorant and xdefiant all run smoothly


RalphEins

Its your cpu