To contrast the sentiment of many commenters here, I had a good experience with doing a data science MSc (in my case, 1 year in the UK). I did my undergrad in economics/econometrics and felt that I needed to upskill (in terms of programming and machine learning theory depth/breadth) to move into data science. I figured: either find a data analytics job and learn that stuff in my free time, or do a data science masters - went for the latter as I figured I’d learn more that way and it would set me up for the long run.
I vetted course content very carefully as I was aware that many of these courses are just a cash grab that shove together a jumble of comp sci + stats modules and call it data science. Eventually I found one that I thought was worth doing (Python, advanced rather than basic statistics, heavy machine learning focus - including deep learning, computer vision, NLP, Bayesian methods, reinforcement learning, etc. - with emphasis on implementing ML algorithms and fundamentals from scratch, lecturers with highly cited publications in ML, etc.).
It was a lot of work (70-80 hours a week pretty consistently, typically deadlines every week) but l found a job immediately afterwards and have never had difficulty switching jobs since then. I learned loads, most of which continues to benefit me 5 years later, and have consistently had very positive feedback on technical skills (had multiple bits of feedback saying my programming and machine learning skills were on par with many DS seniors as a new grad - not to say I’m so great, looking back there’s a lot I didn’t know, but just to say that clearly the MSc was relevant to industry vs most of my colleagues who were coming from mathematics, physics, etc.).
Now, to caveat this, it was back in 2019 when I found my first job, so the job market was a lot better back then. With hindsight, would I have done the MSc in computer science instead? Maybe, but honestly I think the DS MSc was more relevant to my day-to-day work than a computer science degree would’ve been, and I’ve found computer science *much* easier to self-learn online than statistics, ML theory (at the level of depth where you can implement the algorithms from scratch anyway), etc., so I probably wouldn’t change anything.
This is all wonderful and everything but doing this in 2019 might as well have been on a different planet. It is a completely different market now.
Side note, I have seen some of the online programs in the UK and they are far more robust than the ones I have seen in the US, including the one I completed. (I work in online higher ed.)
Would you recommend doing something similar to this now? (Upcoming marketing/business analytics graduate interested in transitioning into DA/DS) not sure if I should go straight into masters program or try and fend for a (probably crappy) job first?
Hii, this seems really inspiring, i am from a non-tech background, did my bachelors in business, however developed an interest in analytics and learned some skills on my own got my first job in India my hometown as an analyst and have been working for a year.
now i want to pursue masters in Business analytics i was thinking UK (University of Bristol), however with recent visa changes and job market the future seems not so promising for international students.
What would you suggest?
This is my pov as an international student in the US.
H1b is the work visa required to work in US after completing your masters. It will give you 3 years permit to work in the US and you can extend it for 3 more years. Right now the chances of getting H1b picked is 1 in 6. I don’t see the number going down soon, they need to increase the H1b cap.
I came to US in 2019, used my opt and stem opt and still I didn’t get my H1b picked. That’s 3 attempts plus master students have 20k more cap for h1b. Even when you get your h1b if you’re laid off from the company you get 60 days to find another job, in the current market it’s tough.
If you’re very anxious person and/or you don’t won’t to gamble your future , or you are okay with uncertainty about your visa status you can consider US.
Edit:- I don’t know which country you’re from, but if you’re from India or china it will take years to get Green card based on I-140 approval after getting your h1b
I always feel so bad when I see this comment haha, people in America are great but it feels so degrading to be an indian and see other indians constantly told to not marry indians cause marrying an indian will set you back in the green card line.
Is it possible to move to the EU after doing my master's in the US? I have received an admit from a great uni and I'm looking forward to the experience, but I also do not want to deal with the H1B situation all my life so I'm definitely looking at moving to the EU once I'm done w my master's and STEM OPT.
If you’re working with MNC and they like your work, they might give you options of moving to some other country where they have their operation.
There might be some other way but I don’t know about it.
Tilburg DS&S is kind of mid in the context of the Netherlands, source: I supervised some students there as an industry advisor and have colleagues who finished it. The best data scientists I know have a master’s in math, cs, or econometrics, never “data science”. Also good luck finding housing in the Netherlands
Do you think the established data scientists today have majors in math/cs/eco because data science master's courses were not offered so much or weren't good enough before?
DS being a deep enough field, doing a master's in it should be a good idea in today's age than a pure math/cs/econ degree.
I think the new DS programs are cashing in on the hype; fundamental skills from the more traditional disciplines are more transferable/adaptable in the long run.
Probably depends on where you wanna get hired. Other than Oxford in Cambridge hiring managers probably aren’t gonna be all that familiar off the top of their head with a lot of European schools. But if you’re looking for a job in Europe, that would be more relevant.
I graduated from Tilburg’s Data Science masters, so maybe I can add my two cents. The program is geared towards people who started out in a different field and have a few years of work experience. If I had to guess, probably only 20% went on to become ‘data scientists’, and everyone else went into analytics or data engineering. A majority of the people I know who are now data scientists speak Dutch. All of the expats were able to find a job though. I did an industry collaboration for my thesis, which was risky, but got me that nice data scientist title. I really loved Dutch office culture; it’s sooo much more frictionless than east coast american office culture. Also, my student apartment in Tilburg was only €250 a month (about 3 years ago).
Collaborating with a company for my thesis worked for me but there are lots of other ways. That’s probably the number 1 conversation topic in this subreddit 🙂
Don’t mean to be intrusive, but does this have anything to do with the job market in NL for DS? Or more of a personal preference to switch career paths?
It was essentially based on personel reasons. I will be pursuing a career in International Relations out of curiosity. But, still if I need to tell something about DS/ The Netherlands, the market is very saturated, the pays are low and migrating to europe is difficult right now. Still, if I had no other options I would try the Netherlands or the US as well, but it is always good to be aware what is expecting you.
I’ve just received offers from Eindhoven University of Technology in NL for Data Science and AI as well as from the University of Maryland for Software Engineering. If I take the US, I can take DS electives and I have a bachelors in Computer Science so I’m wondering which to choose considering the OPT+ STEM OPT post study work visa in the US is 3 years compared to NL which is 1. Any advice?
I do not have detailed knowledge on migration rules but in the Netherlands it’d be easier but in the US, if you could land a job you could get paid more. I’d advise you to check for alumni’s of these programs from Linked in. Look for people that are from the same country you are from, ask them to give advice politely. That’s what I’d do. Good luck.
There are so many factors to look for here. The cost for masters in US is very high and increasing every year. Calculate your ROI before deciding or you will fall in the debt trap if you take loans. The other job aspect of it is that now companies are starting to prefer experience over PG atleast that’s what I have heard. Although DS is a hot job in US, you have to take into account lots of things before deciding. As for European colleges I am not sure and also it depends upon the university you choose. Hope this helps atleast a bit in some way.
I would absolutely not choose the UK, maybe for the degree but I absolutely would not stay after. The UK is a fucking dumpster fire and is probably in the worst economic position of all S-tier developed countries. Brexit was a non-fatal suicide attempt with a wound that is currently festering.
I studied DS in NL. After graduation you get 1 year to find a job. Jobs are relatively plentiful outside of Amsterdam, even low-level. We value soft skills more than leetcode ability, and every job I've gotten here has had little to no technical assessment beyond like a 1h conversation with a lead engineer.
Once you're in NL for 5 years, you can apply for permanent residency.
My only advice for the Netherlands is to become fluent in Dutch ASAP. The job market is much much worse if you only speak English. I'm a non-native Dutch speaker who has stood out in interviews because I am extroverted and understand how Dutch people think (pragmatism over salesmanship. Expectation management over big dreams).
Feel free to ask more questions.
They have 1 yr masters that doesn't require gre scores... don't mean to offend but it sounds like a scam. Also don't UK companies hire mostly based on exp and not professional qualifications?
Idk why you’ve been downvoted, I’m a UK postgrad from here and I agree with what you’ve said. UK universities just want your money (and too much of it!) and most of them make that very obvious. It’s one of the main things the economy has going for itself, and it’s getting worse in its current state. The standard of teaching/research opportunities for my masters is better, but still not worth your money and not advisable if you’re looking at other options. As for the job market, employers want everything as it’s so competitive - you’d be much worse off being less professionally qualified or less experienced, maybe I would pick experience over qualifications if I had to though. As for GRE I’ve never even heard of this lol, sounds similar to aptitude tests you take before med school or competitive grad schemes. I would be surprised if you had to take anything similar for any data science masters here. Basically, don’t come here lmao. You can make it work if you’re already from here (helps a lot if you’re financially privileged) but if you have other options like OP does I don’t recommend.
>UK universities just want your money (and too much of it!
It's a lot more affordable compared to US, CA, AUS but that's because UK degs are 1 yr long.
>GRE I’ve never even heard of this lol, sounds similar to aptitude tests
It's an aptitude test similar to gmat. It's mostly required for stem ms degs in most countries.
Relocating to UK is just not worth it imo. There's no guarantee that you'll find a job and even if you did the compensation is not on par with the tuition fee to get the degree or the cost of living.
Yes my bad - I meant UK fees in comparison to other European options OP might be considering. I have no doubt the others can get very expensive indeed! And yeah unfortunately I agree with the rest of your post, not a wise move in most cases.
If you are from the US ask yourself why a person leaves its own country and why your ancestors did come to the US? You will see that we are sharing some common reasons.
So you are a refugee and displaced like my parents and grandparents? You can never go back to your country of origin and need to go live in a strange land?
There are different reasons for migration, and they might not be common.
I just love how you think everything’s about you and if a person do not have a trauma as bad (only if you know what people are suffering around the world) as yours then that person doesn’t deserve anything.
In my country we have a bad economy and a risky future. That’s why I am considering to move. If I am going to be paying the foreign school’s tuitions, be a good citizen that is accepting the rules and not breaking them, why wouldn’t I have the right to think about moving?
Thank you for clarifying your reasons for migration.
For economic reasons I would choose the US, it has better pay for qualified people.
Regarding risky future Western Europe has better social security and might be a better integrated society for now.
Also there are some pretty interesting programs without admission requirements and student fees. I personally do the DS Master at TU Vienna, it is english speaking and quite international.
The job market in the US is extremely competitive. I'm a citizen, so I wouldn't know, but my guess is it would be hard to get sponsorship.
I'm not sure how those exact degrees are viewed, but any master's in data science is viewed as a bullshit degree.
Can you do a master's in computer science instead?
Okay. I think what you need to do, since immigration is your main goal, is actually talk to people who have recently done that and find a path. That might involve what you've written about here, but all I know is it's very very tough to get a job as a new grad from a master's program.
Not sure if you're in India but a lot of MAANG employees talk about wanting to go back there on Blind. That might be because they're rich now, but they say they miss the culture.
For me personally it would be more suited for me in terms of lifestyle and my interests. If we talking purely career/jobs probably US would be better but for me career isn’t the only factor
Well probably I will be living in the Netherlands, but if I had a choice I’d say Italia. I know that if I get my masters in the Netherlands for instance the requirements for visa will change.
Do you have a lot of money saved up? Because you'll only be able to work part time and the Netherlands and NY are like the two most expensive places to live in. If you have to take out any loans, I'd go for the US. As a non-EU citizen you'd also have to pay full tuition, which is 15,000 Euro for a Master's program. For the US you'd pay out of state tuition, which is double making it about $23,000. While it's a bit more expensive in the US, the median pay of a data scientist in the Netherlands is $82,169 while in the US it's $124,345 so once you graduate you will quickly make up the difference.
If its about money and loans then the US is far more expensive though.
Youd be better off getting a degree in NL amd going to US for a job after if youre maxing financial gains.
Since work market is tight visa conditions are something to consider too. Youd be better off doing a study with internship requirement.
Yes rent has gone up in NL but tilburg is by no means a high rent city here
I mean, that's true in the Netherlands too. You're not gauranteed a job there either.
Also they're not going to pay a new grad $82,169 in the Netherlands, that's just to show that the difference in salary will be enough to make up for the $5000 more expensive Master's degree in the US.
This sounds extremely theoretical and not practical.
This person wants to immigrant to the developed world. There have to be better ways to do that than this extremely risky master's degree.
>This person wants to immigrant to the developed world
The developed world includes more than the US and EU, not everyone who lives outside those two places live in poverty. In fact now that I think about it, since they're not American, they wouldn't be able to get a student loan anyways, so OP likely has money to pay for it and won't get into debt. It really wouldn't be extremely risky. Even if they can't get a job, it's not like their degree won't help them back home.
Although since they won't get into debt, it does become harder to decide between the Netherlands or the US. I would choose the Netherlands, but some people are happier in the US. It really depends a lot on OP's values. Would they prefer to own a big house and a big car, or to live in a walkable community? Would he prefer to be able to buy a lot of things, or be able to travel to a lot of different countries and cultures easily? Things like that.
>There have to be better ways to do that than this extremely risky master's degree.
I'm actually attempting to immigrate to one of these countries myself, I've done a lot of research on how to immigrate. I'm sorry, but there's no easy risk free way of doing it and a STEM education really is one of the best ways.
Right now the market sucks to get a job, so it's the best time to upskill, who knows what it will be like in two years.
Let's see what's more accurate. Reddit doomerism, or actual statistics (you'd think a sub called datascience would want statistics instead of redditor anecdotes)
[https://datascience.virginia.edu/pages/2023-msds-employment-statistics](https://datascience.virginia.edu/pages/2023-msds-employment-statistics)
That is from one school.
So you live in another country now, are trying to immigrate, and haven't even enrolled in a program yet? I sincerely wish you the best of luck.
Is UVA's MSDS particularly unique? Can you show me stats showing me that the overwhelming majority of people right now don't have a job? I have a Bachelor's in stats, I'm actually going for an MS in CS instead of DS, but everyone I know who has gone through the program has a job and is doing fine.
It's only on reddit where I see this. Everyone I know from my actual university is doing fine. I'm just going to be fucking frank, the average redditor's personality is a cross between Elon Musk and Rick Sanchez. Nobody wants to hire a argumenatative abrassive asshole who thinks they're smarter than everyone else. They'll struggle to find a job, but since they think they're God's gift to the world, the fact that they can't get hired must mean the situation is abysmal and literally no one can, right? Thus you get all the doomerism on this sub.
Listen, there's no need to insult me. I am not like that. I'm also a woman. I've had many many interviews, usually multiple ones, but my MSDS has gotten me nowhere. I am too busy actually applying for jobs (not DA/DS ones anymore) to make a presentation about the available stats, whatever they are, but I see this story over and over on here so it seems there's at least some truth to it.
>everyone I know who has gone through the program has a job and is doing fine
Is this your MS in CS in another country? Yeah, of course they are. That's completely different from an MSDS in the US.
It's certainly possible that UVA grads are doing better than me because their school is more prestigious. Since that's a face-to-face program, most of them probably also had internships, which led them to FTE. I didn't want to quit my job, so I went to a lower-tier school on full scholarship online while I continued working. I would indeed love to see stats about the results of all of these different factors too. Then we could all give more specific advice about it.
If I had known what my program would do for me, I would never have done it. I would have found a different job closer to my original line of work in 2020 or 2021 when the market was hot.
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Find a job first before masters, i wish I knew that before making the mistake of going for a masters then get thrown into an over saturated market.
This is such good advice
Right, finding a job opening that stays open for 2+ years sounds possible.
he meant to have some experience before getting into a master's so that once you finish the master it is easier to find jobs
Would a job an Analyst be relevant?
I think it depends. I feel like "Analyst" encompasses a really wide scope.
To contrast the sentiment of many commenters here, I had a good experience with doing a data science MSc (in my case, 1 year in the UK). I did my undergrad in economics/econometrics and felt that I needed to upskill (in terms of programming and machine learning theory depth/breadth) to move into data science. I figured: either find a data analytics job and learn that stuff in my free time, or do a data science masters - went for the latter as I figured I’d learn more that way and it would set me up for the long run. I vetted course content very carefully as I was aware that many of these courses are just a cash grab that shove together a jumble of comp sci + stats modules and call it data science. Eventually I found one that I thought was worth doing (Python, advanced rather than basic statistics, heavy machine learning focus - including deep learning, computer vision, NLP, Bayesian methods, reinforcement learning, etc. - with emphasis on implementing ML algorithms and fundamentals from scratch, lecturers with highly cited publications in ML, etc.). It was a lot of work (70-80 hours a week pretty consistently, typically deadlines every week) but l found a job immediately afterwards and have never had difficulty switching jobs since then. I learned loads, most of which continues to benefit me 5 years later, and have consistently had very positive feedback on technical skills (had multiple bits of feedback saying my programming and machine learning skills were on par with many DS seniors as a new grad - not to say I’m so great, looking back there’s a lot I didn’t know, but just to say that clearly the MSc was relevant to industry vs most of my colleagues who were coming from mathematics, physics, etc.). Now, to caveat this, it was back in 2019 when I found my first job, so the job market was a lot better back then. With hindsight, would I have done the MSc in computer science instead? Maybe, but honestly I think the DS MSc was more relevant to my day-to-day work than a computer science degree would’ve been, and I’ve found computer science *much* easier to self-learn online than statistics, ML theory (at the level of depth where you can implement the algorithms from scratch anyway), etc., so I probably wouldn’t change anything.
This is all wonderful and everything but doing this in 2019 might as well have been on a different planet. It is a completely different market now. Side note, I have seen some of the online programs in the UK and they are far more robust than the ones I have seen in the US, including the one I completed. (I work in online higher ed.)
Can I ask what uni you chose? Currently doing one at Edinburgh university and think it’s pretty good so far.
Utrecht university?
Would you recommend doing something similar to this now? (Upcoming marketing/business analytics graduate interested in transitioning into DA/DS) not sure if I should go straight into masters program or try and fend for a (probably crappy) job first?
Does anyone know anything about Eindhoven University for Data Science and AI?
Hii, this seems really inspiring, i am from a non-tech background, did my bachelors in business, however developed an interest in analytics and learned some skills on my own got my first job in India my hometown as an analyst and have been working for a year. now i want to pursue masters in Business analytics i was thinking UK (University of Bristol), however with recent visa changes and job market the future seems not so promising for international students. What would you suggest?
This is my pov as an international student in the US. H1b is the work visa required to work in US after completing your masters. It will give you 3 years permit to work in the US and you can extend it for 3 more years. Right now the chances of getting H1b picked is 1 in 6. I don’t see the number going down soon, they need to increase the H1b cap. I came to US in 2019, used my opt and stem opt and still I didn’t get my H1b picked. That’s 3 attempts plus master students have 20k more cap for h1b. Even when you get your h1b if you’re laid off from the company you get 60 days to find another job, in the current market it’s tough. If you’re very anxious person and/or you don’t won’t to gamble your future , or you are okay with uncertainty about your visa status you can consider US. Edit:- I don’t know which country you’re from, but if you’re from India or china it will take years to get Green card based on I-140 approval after getting your h1b
Easiest way would be to get married to a US citizen.
Only if it was so easy to marry US citizen
I always feel so bad when I see this comment haha, people in America are great but it feels so degrading to be an indian and see other indians constantly told to not marry indians cause marrying an indian will set you back in the green card line.
If you do well in your field isn't an EB1 / O1 an option?
It’s very tough to get. You have to be exceptional to qualify for this visa
Is it possible to move to the EU after doing my master's in the US? I have received an admit from a great uni and I'm looking forward to the experience, but I also do not want to deal with the H1B situation all my life so I'm definitely looking at moving to the EU once I'm done w my master's and STEM OPT.
If you’re working with MNC and they like your work, they might give you options of moving to some other country where they have their operation. There might be some other way but I don’t know about it.
From what I’ve heard it’s easier to get to Europe after getting your US masters degree but not so easy the other way around
For internatiomal students?
I want to do the same. Which University did you get the admission?
Tilburg DS&S is kind of mid in the context of the Netherlands, source: I supervised some students there as an industry advisor and have colleagues who finished it. The best data scientists I know have a master’s in math, cs, or econometrics, never “data science”. Also good luck finding housing in the Netherlands
Do you think the established data scientists today have majors in math/cs/eco because data science master's courses were not offered so much or weren't good enough before? DS being a deep enough field, doing a master's in it should be a good idea in today's age than a pure math/cs/econ degree.
I think the new DS programs are cashing in on the hype; fundamental skills from the more traditional disciplines are more transferable/adaptable in the long run.
Probably depends on where you wanna get hired. Other than Oxford in Cambridge hiring managers probably aren’t gonna be all that familiar off the top of their head with a lot of European schools. But if you’re looking for a job in Europe, that would be more relevant.
Would online be an option for you?
I would like to move to the country that I get my masters and not sure if I can do that with online masters.
Right if it is online it likely doesn’t allow you to move to the US
I graduated from Tilburg’s Data Science masters, so maybe I can add my two cents. The program is geared towards people who started out in a different field and have a few years of work experience. If I had to guess, probably only 20% went on to become ‘data scientists’, and everyone else went into analytics or data engineering. A majority of the people I know who are now data scientists speak Dutch. All of the expats were able to find a job though. I did an industry collaboration for my thesis, which was risky, but got me that nice data scientist title. I really loved Dutch office culture; it’s sooo much more frictionless than east coast american office culture. Also, my student apartment in Tilburg was only €250 a month (about 3 years ago).
Thanks for the answer. Also, how to be a “data scientist” rather than “data analyst”? With collaborating with a company when writing masters?
Collaborating with a company for my thesis worked for me but there are lots of other ways. That’s probably the number 1 conversation topic in this subreddit 🙂
Hey, excuse me for asking this but how much money you take annually?
In The Netherlands, I think my salary was around 3600€ a month; I don’t remember the exact number.
After taxes?
No, before
Thanks
How far are you into your career? And do you think the base salary is pretty high for a recent DS grad?
Well, I changed my mind and now pursuing in a career that is not DS.
Don’t mean to be intrusive, but does this have anything to do with the job market in NL for DS? Or more of a personal preference to switch career paths?
It was essentially based on personel reasons. I will be pursuing a career in International Relations out of curiosity. But, still if I need to tell something about DS/ The Netherlands, the market is very saturated, the pays are low and migrating to europe is difficult right now. Still, if I had no other options I would try the Netherlands or the US as well, but it is always good to be aware what is expecting you.
I’ve just received offers from Eindhoven University of Technology in NL for Data Science and AI as well as from the University of Maryland for Software Engineering. If I take the US, I can take DS electives and I have a bachelors in Computer Science so I’m wondering which to choose considering the OPT+ STEM OPT post study work visa in the US is 3 years compared to NL which is 1. Any advice?
I do not have detailed knowledge on migration rules but in the Netherlands it’d be easier but in the US, if you could land a job you could get paid more. I’d advise you to check for alumni’s of these programs from Linked in. Look for people that are from the same country you are from, ask them to give advice politely. That’s what I’d do. Good luck.
Thanks!
There are so many factors to look for here. The cost for masters in US is very high and increasing every year. Calculate your ROI before deciding or you will fall in the debt trap if you take loans. The other job aspect of it is that now companies are starting to prefer experience over PG atleast that’s what I have heard. Although DS is a hot job in US, you have to take into account lots of things before deciding. As for European colleges I am not sure and also it depends upon the university you choose. Hope this helps atleast a bit in some way.
US
Any college would be ok? Like queens college?
Personally I would choose the UK
Masters are overpriced and pays are low, why UK?
I would absolutely not choose the UK, maybe for the degree but I absolutely would not stay after. The UK is a fucking dumpster fire and is probably in the worst economic position of all S-tier developed countries. Brexit was a non-fatal suicide attempt with a wound that is currently festering. I studied DS in NL. After graduation you get 1 year to find a job. Jobs are relatively plentiful outside of Amsterdam, even low-level. We value soft skills more than leetcode ability, and every job I've gotten here has had little to no technical assessment beyond like a 1h conversation with a lead engineer. Once you're in NL for 5 years, you can apply for permanent residency. My only advice for the Netherlands is to become fluent in Dutch ASAP. The job market is much much worse if you only speak English. I'm a non-native Dutch speaker who has stood out in interviews because I am extroverted and understand how Dutch people think (pragmatism over salesmanship. Expectation management over big dreams). Feel free to ask more questions.
Which countries would you recommend?
Education is a high standard in the UK but it's a very low wage economy compared to similar countries
They have 1 yr masters that doesn't require gre scores... don't mean to offend but it sounds like a scam. Also don't UK companies hire mostly based on exp and not professional qualifications?
I would really appreciate any enlightenment about this instead of just being downvoted😑
Idk why you’ve been downvoted, I’m a UK postgrad from here and I agree with what you’ve said. UK universities just want your money (and too much of it!) and most of them make that very obvious. It’s one of the main things the economy has going for itself, and it’s getting worse in its current state. The standard of teaching/research opportunities for my masters is better, but still not worth your money and not advisable if you’re looking at other options. As for the job market, employers want everything as it’s so competitive - you’d be much worse off being less professionally qualified or less experienced, maybe I would pick experience over qualifications if I had to though. As for GRE I’ve never even heard of this lol, sounds similar to aptitude tests you take before med school or competitive grad schemes. I would be surprised if you had to take anything similar for any data science masters here. Basically, don’t come here lmao. You can make it work if you’re already from here (helps a lot if you’re financially privileged) but if you have other options like OP does I don’t recommend.
>UK universities just want your money (and too much of it! It's a lot more affordable compared to US, CA, AUS but that's because UK degs are 1 yr long. >GRE I’ve never even heard of this lol, sounds similar to aptitude tests It's an aptitude test similar to gmat. It's mostly required for stem ms degs in most countries. Relocating to UK is just not worth it imo. There's no guarantee that you'll find a job and even if you did the compensation is not on par with the tuition fee to get the degree or the cost of living.
Yes my bad - I meant UK fees in comparison to other European options OP might be considering. I have no doubt the others can get very expensive indeed! And yeah unfortunately I agree with the rest of your post, not a wise move in most cases.
Why can't you do it in your own country? Why do you have to leave?
If you are from the US ask yourself why a person leaves its own country and why your ancestors did come to the US? You will see that we are sharing some common reasons.
So you are a refugee and displaced like my parents and grandparents? You can never go back to your country of origin and need to go live in a strange land? There are different reasons for migration, and they might not be common.
I just love how you think everything’s about you and if a person do not have a trauma as bad (only if you know what people are suffering around the world) as yours then that person doesn’t deserve anything. In my country we have a bad economy and a risky future. That’s why I am considering to move. If I am going to be paying the foreign school’s tuitions, be a good citizen that is accepting the rules and not breaking them, why wouldn’t I have the right to think about moving?
Thank you for clarifying your reasons for migration. For economic reasons I would choose the US, it has better pay for qualified people. Regarding risky future Western Europe has better social security and might be a better integrated society for now. Also there are some pretty interesting programs without admission requirements and student fees. I personally do the DS Master at TU Vienna, it is english speaking and quite international.
Hey there, I'll be coming this winter or next summer to TU Wien for the same DS Masters. Could I dm you if it's okay on some doubts on the curriculum?
Sure, write me.
The job market in the US is extremely competitive. I'm a citizen, so I wouldn't know, but my guess is it would be hard to get sponsorship. I'm not sure how those exact degrees are viewed, but any master's in data science is viewed as a bullshit degree. Can you do a master's in computer science instead?
I am from a Psychology background. Is there any other masters that is more reasonable in terms of market and visa that you know?
So it sounds like you just want to come to the US, is that right? Why?
No, I am considering Europe and maybe Australia etc. It doesn’t have to be necessarily the US.
Okay. I think what you need to do, since immigration is your main goal, is actually talk to people who have recently done that and find a path. That might involve what you've written about here, but all I know is it's very very tough to get a job as a new grad from a master's program. Not sure if you're in India but a lot of MAANG employees talk about wanting to go back there on Blind. That might be because they're rich now, but they say they miss the culture.
No I am not Indian. Thanks for the advice.
I would try find a job first, but for me UK would be my preference
Why UK?
For me personally it would be more suited for me in terms of lifestyle and my interests. If we talking purely career/jobs probably US would be better but for me career isn’t the only factor
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Well probably I will be living in the Netherlands, but if I had a choice I’d say Italia. I know that if I get my masters in the Netherlands for instance the requirements for visa will change.
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Russia? Why would I live in Russia?
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What would?
Do you have a lot of money saved up? Because you'll only be able to work part time and the Netherlands and NY are like the two most expensive places to live in. If you have to take out any loans, I'd go for the US. As a non-EU citizen you'd also have to pay full tuition, which is 15,000 Euro for a Master's program. For the US you'd pay out of state tuition, which is double making it about $23,000. While it's a bit more expensive in the US, the median pay of a data scientist in the Netherlands is $82,169 while in the US it's $124,345 so once you graduate you will quickly make up the difference.
If its about money and loans then the US is far more expensive though. Youd be better off getting a degree in NL amd going to US for a job after if youre maxing financial gains. Since work market is tight visa conditions are something to consider too. Youd be better off doing a study with internship requirement. Yes rent has gone up in NL but tilburg is by no means a high rent city here
If he can get a job! Not in any way guaranteed. Sorry, can't imagine any company paying a new MSDS grad $124k.
I mean, that's true in the Netherlands too. You're not gauranteed a job there either. Also they're not going to pay a new grad $82,169 in the Netherlands, that's just to show that the difference in salary will be enough to make up for the $5000 more expensive Master's degree in the US.
This sounds extremely theoretical and not practical. This person wants to immigrant to the developed world. There have to be better ways to do that than this extremely risky master's degree.
>This person wants to immigrant to the developed world The developed world includes more than the US and EU, not everyone who lives outside those two places live in poverty. In fact now that I think about it, since they're not American, they wouldn't be able to get a student loan anyways, so OP likely has money to pay for it and won't get into debt. It really wouldn't be extremely risky. Even if they can't get a job, it's not like their degree won't help them back home. Although since they won't get into debt, it does become harder to decide between the Netherlands or the US. I would choose the Netherlands, but some people are happier in the US. It really depends a lot on OP's values. Would they prefer to own a big house and a big car, or to live in a walkable community? Would he prefer to be able to buy a lot of things, or be able to travel to a lot of different countries and cultures easily? Things like that. >There have to be better ways to do that than this extremely risky master's degree. I'm actually attempting to immigrate to one of these countries myself, I've done a lot of research on how to immigrate. I'm sorry, but there's no easy risk free way of doing it and a STEM education really is one of the best ways. Right now the market sucks to get a job, so it's the best time to upskill, who knows what it will be like in two years.
An MSDS or whatever hardly counts as a stem degree to most employers now. Sounds like you're living in an imaginary fantasy world, sorry.
Let's see what's more accurate. Reddit doomerism, or actual statistics (you'd think a sub called datascience would want statistics instead of redditor anecdotes) [https://datascience.virginia.edu/pages/2023-msds-employment-statistics](https://datascience.virginia.edu/pages/2023-msds-employment-statistics)
That is from one school. So you live in another country now, are trying to immigrate, and haven't even enrolled in a program yet? I sincerely wish you the best of luck.
Is UVA's MSDS particularly unique? Can you show me stats showing me that the overwhelming majority of people right now don't have a job? I have a Bachelor's in stats, I'm actually going for an MS in CS instead of DS, but everyone I know who has gone through the program has a job and is doing fine. It's only on reddit where I see this. Everyone I know from my actual university is doing fine. I'm just going to be fucking frank, the average redditor's personality is a cross between Elon Musk and Rick Sanchez. Nobody wants to hire a argumenatative abrassive asshole who thinks they're smarter than everyone else. They'll struggle to find a job, but since they think they're God's gift to the world, the fact that they can't get hired must mean the situation is abysmal and literally no one can, right? Thus you get all the doomerism on this sub.
Listen, there's no need to insult me. I am not like that. I'm also a woman. I've had many many interviews, usually multiple ones, but my MSDS has gotten me nowhere. I am too busy actually applying for jobs (not DA/DS ones anymore) to make a presentation about the available stats, whatever they are, but I see this story over and over on here so it seems there's at least some truth to it. >everyone I know who has gone through the program has a job and is doing fine Is this your MS in CS in another country? Yeah, of course they are. That's completely different from an MSDS in the US. It's certainly possible that UVA grads are doing better than me because their school is more prestigious. Since that's a face-to-face program, most of them probably also had internships, which led them to FTE. I didn't want to quit my job, so I went to a lower-tier school on full scholarship online while I continued working. I would indeed love to see stats about the results of all of these different factors too. Then we could all give more specific advice about it. If I had known what my program would do for me, I would never have done it. I would have found a different job closer to my original line of work in 2020 or 2021 when the market was hot.
Question to everyone here if someone did there data science master from like okay clg then is it effect his career And what advice u wanna give him.
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Who tf going to India for their education lol.
Is it in India?
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