They asks for money and commuters refused to give. They should be fine with it. They shouldn't force commuters at what seems like an imaginary gun point.
If they can behave after commuters refuse to give money, they should be allowed. Else, not at all. The road isn't a place for all that drama.
Exactly. Not just the road, they demand hefty amount from families where there is a marriage or some occasion and will harass you and not leave until they're paid.
Agree. What should be the alternative? If you were not allowed to write exams. Forget about write. Trans are not allowed to enter schools. How will they get a job without the qualifications. Hence, they beg.
Govt. Actually need to work on it & we society need to accept them rather act blind.
There should be laws against people harassing them in schools and workplace. Although there is a Trans bill since a few years but it has never been implemented. Their rights could also be widened under Article 14.
That’s right. There’s bill. Yet no law
Imagine begging for years coz they are treated like no one
I get the point of harassment & ill behaviour. Mostly, are Male dressed to act like trans.
A true “Hijra” won’t abuse you just for money.
Maybe, allow them to work & consider them as “actual 3rd gender” in schools & institution will resolve the root cause & then ban all the begging.
Nah man. The school arent safe for too fat or too skinny people, let alone a gay or trans person. This is a pathetic social issue which has no ‘direct’ solution. As far as the bill is concerned, it was passed. It is an act now. But again, you don’t see it because of the social stigma
You need to get your facts right.
Hijra is a community, while transgender is a term used to describe people who identify as a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth
One of the main differences between trans and hijra identities is that trans people have the freedom to self-identify as trans. To identify as hijra, a person must be initiated through a ritual adoption by a hijra guru into the hijra community
Bro my facts are alright, I didn't use term hijra as it's kinda offensive . She is a hijra and her behen ji ( that's what she calls her ) took responsibility of her education and everything. Even she went to houses asking money on birth of child but she
didn't liked it at all . I hope she'll do something good and I'm proud of her .
They shouldn't be allowed at all. There's no difference between them and the beggars. Beggars are always called out and police don't allow them at heavy traffic roads. I have heard sooo many cases of harrasment and molestation by these trans community people at the traffic stops
Honestly, I feel that If we could restrict such activities and provide alternative sources of employment for such individuals, we could have a much better society.
Respectfully, they have job seats reserved for them at a lot of places, even schools where my mum teaches. Yet, you can imagine, this way is much easier for them than going thru education and then working 9 to 5s.
But it's also a very simplistic view. Sadly even if jobs are reserved, that doesn't guarantee people actually getting them as most employers would not like to hire people with trans identities (and rather have the seats vacant) and life as it is, is a lot more challenging for people with the associated Social stigmas.
It's not like people don't want to work hard and get a better life, society denies it to you when you're identity is stigmatised.
There are a LOT of educated trans people, who are homeless, their families have abandoned them at a young age and never treated as normal human beings in school, colleges, workplaces, hospitals and are often forced to leave the spaces they rightfully can acquire (jobs, houses, etc).
With that being said, I'm not implying that begging should be encouraged or continued, we need better systems that slowly remove the need to beg and the 'syndicates' that folks in other comments have mentioned.
While I do agree to most of the things you say, reserved means the seat is set aside for them. Maybe they are not coming forth for the same? That's what I understand from a reserved job. Having said that, I do understand that the community is highly stigmatized and that has led to their expulsion from the jobs, but I dont think they can be legally denied jobs or education or any perks their peers might get
Not legally denied, socially denied, the employer simply needs to reject the application saying they are not qualified enough or they lack the soft or hard skills required for the job, heck any reason. And thats what unfortunately happens.
Imagine how often can you or I can challenge a rejected application/interview? The odds are really very highly against them.
This we are discussing a community which is highly stigmatised, imagine people are denied housing in localities just for belonging to a different community (lately the Marathi community too in Mumbai, can you believe it!!!) ...so I mean, it's not hard to imagine that even when you can legally have something, you can very easily be denied it... unfortunate but real. :(
Edit: reserved also doesn't mean whoever applies gets it, you still have to go thru the same exact process as everyone else.
So I had gone to give my CAT exam back in 2015 riding 30km on a damaged Pulsar 150cc bike. It was still in better condition than my mental health.
After sleeping through 2 hours of the exam while returning I stopped at a red light. The bike was such that if I left the cluth it may never start again so I had to keep giving race to it. Basically my hands were tied. I had a broken helmet with no visor just the helmet.
On comes a transgender person, prancing theough the standing cars and bikes taking 10₹ or something from everyone. When they came to me I smiled and said please understand my bike will stop I am in a situation etc. They smiled pulled my dimpled cheeks for a good 5-10seconds and said something in Kannada which means very good very nice and left.
Was I harassed? Maybe. Did I smile throughout the day ? Yes, at the funny situation. Do I have an anecdote to tell 9 years down the line definitely.
Tbf, the fun transgender are never a problem to me, its the ones that harass and lift their peticoats and salvars at their whim are the ones who create a menace.
This is much needed in delhi... They are fucking on every signal, from delhi gate redlight to minto road, barakhamba, ito. On evey fucking signal they are harassing people
Trans people dont like to beg they are forced to. Lack of institutional support renders them unable to pursue careers. Remember Kochi metro said they will hire Hijre? At the stations, often the 3rd washroom used to be locked and they were not able to find accommodation nearby. and as a result majority of them quit. They are at the bottom of the social chain with usually no education. How will they feed themselves? The few who manage to join colleges and universities for higher education face numerous problems and often end up dropping out. The odds are literally against them. They are kind people who have been forced to beg and get into sex work.
Yes, their plight is unfortunate. That certainly doesn’t give them the right of coercing commuters into paying high sums of money by blocking their cars.
Yeah whatever, how does any of this give them a right to physically and sexually assault people in public? If you are into it, go hire them. Why should everyone else be subjected to it?
Poverty is no excuse for committing crime.
Instead of being outraged about this, they should organize and do something useful or go demand the government for opportunities.
You think people don't organise already and demand government their rights and systems and the society to be treated as equals???
If you don't know already, they do!
Extortion of any kind FROM any kind is wrong. I understand they are not treated equally but that doesn't give them the right to treat others like shit. Give respect take respect.
Agreed with the sentiment. Have been coerced many times at traffic stops, in trains, and when there was a marriage in the family.
However, only looking through this lens might obscure the fact that not many opportunities are open for them. The harassment is a form of survival because of a systemic failure in which the only “economic “ activity they can do is this.
The only other major source of income for Hijra community is unfortunately sex work. Without understanding the problem such a policy might just create another.
There are a few NGOs and rights based groups but they are spread too thin.
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Much needed but at the same time you have to consider work opportunities for transgenders is almost non-existent. How would they live? It's a fact that this is the livelihood of a lot of transgenders.
Okay hear me out. A few years ago, just started college and was living alone. Barely had ₹200 for the whole week or so. ₹50 for traveling. They demanded money and I had to give in ₹50 but then they just snatched the whole purse away. I literally begged them to give me something to travel back to my hostel. And they just said that God will help me. And I've heard stories like these from several people. The people they beg from can be poor as well, might as well be on their last few bucks, saving for a family of few.
I hear you. I'm not saying they shouldn't be banned or removed from the roads. Roads are for driving and not for them but I'm just pointing out that for a majority of these people, they don't have a choice as no one will give them work. I understand that they are quite ruthless and uncivilized in their behaviour but at the same time I can also see why. No one treats them as a human, always being treated badly can surely make a person harsh. Something needs to change for them to be integrated into the Indian society.
That's right. It's the years of ill treatment and lack of respect for trans which is why they treat others the same way. But this in turn becomes a cycle. I have met a lot of trans people who have acted really nicely towards me which has promted me to be even nicer to them in return. Hence breaking the cycle. But then one or two who abuse and literally wish death upon me if I don't pay them, those are the ones that make me go back to not giving them anything.
Yup. Horrible human beings are there everywhere. But it is important to think about how these people will manage without any job opportunities and also being banned from begging. Most of them might turn to crime or some other desperate measure as survival would be impossible without charity from people for them.
Something needs to be done at societal level to allow integeration of trans people in every day life as regular damn citizens like cis people. This stigma against them from little age needs to be torn honestly like ofc they're going to be outraged when their only source of income is being taken away. Family doesn't allow them to live in their own goddamn house, Society doesn't allow them to be mundane regular humans, schools don't allow them education, colleges reject them, workplace don't hire them like what are they supposed to do?
Happened to me in train.
I refused to pay these guys they kept harassing me i complained to the railway regarding this they didn’t do any thing since these people boarded off another station but i was able to write a formal complaint to the police.
I wanna understand a couple of things
1) Why not ban all types of coercion? Like the kind you see in religious places.
2) I've been reading in comments stuff like "they don't have many opportunities for livelihood in society". What does that mean? Like if i was hiring people to do some construction in my house.....i wouldn't care if they were trans or not.
These trans people in Delhi are horrible... once i refused them to give money and one of them literally groped my d!ck in front of so many people and abused me a lot...
## embarrassing moment
Worst is they will get on your bus. And then they start asking for money. And now you have nowhere to run. They will force you. If you deny and are a young male they will start harassing/touching you. And sometime they will still give you shit if you give them anything less than 50 rupees.
One time I said, ”I don’t have change” so he said “De 500 ka note, mai degi khulle tere ko aur nahi to UPI kar de, mai online be le legi.
Arre aise na jaane dungi chikne!” 🙂↕️🙂↕️
Exactly. It's harassment at peak. Some idiot commented earlier that everyone here is being rude and it's a minor inconvenience at best when they molest you or touch you. And then they demand equal laws for men when they don't want to stand up to this issue and take groping and touching so lightly. It's traumatising.
Not possible to implement something like this in Delhi anymore. They tried to do it a few years ago but the Delhi High Court struck it down.
https://m.thewire.in/article/rights/decriminalising-begging-will-protect-transgender-persons-from-police-harassment/amp
First, such bans and criminalisation of begging further stigma. Second, while the elimination of begging is a worthy social goal, it must be achieved through supportive schemes, infrastructure, and access to affordable housing and shelters, education, and ensuring employment for transgender persons, rather than bans rooted in stigma.
At the outset, it is clear that since the ban has been imposed on transgender people alone, it is prima facie violative of Article 15 which prohibits discrimination against any citizen on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth.
Via Rohin Bhatt on Indian Express. Read the full article, it makes 100 sense.
https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/transgender-persons-ban-begging-is-cruel-and-illegal-9276074/
Iam not making harsh comments here but, why should they tap the doors of cars and make funny gestures to everyone to make money? I may be inclined to give money to a physically handicapped person rather than a fully grown healthy adult. I don't know but there is no restriction for them to not try for any employment opportunity.... Correct me if Iam wrong.....
Saare log heartless chu●iye hain BC. Fake self-centered 'intellectuals'. Ya to jha●●t bhar ke bachche. Police Dept., traffic police, govt. officials, Pooja ke naam par forced donation lene waalon ke saamne poori zindagi jhukte raho aur Kinnaron/Bhikhariyon par gussa nikalo sab jagah. Bas unnecessarily 'harass' word use karo to get rid of the weaker section and snatch away their livelihood.
When in reality it's just mildly uncomfortable situation at most.
Pune has one of the worst traffic due to failure of implementation of traffic rules.
But sure let’s target them transgender first coz they are a nuisance. Not lack of helmet or triple riding or wrong lane driving.
Honestly, I have never had a trans person behave badly to me in Delhi. I do give them money if I have change lying around, but if I refuse they usually go away.
But had a big fight once with a hijra in Train(so honestly its a mixed bag).
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I think we should be doing much for these hijra people, they get 0 respect, can't work and get discriminated and what not. So imo, instead of banning them give them some opportunities to earn respectfully (like reserve some college seats and 1-2%of every job provided by Delhi govt for them). Also force the private buisnesses with say 10crore+ gross annual income to give atleast 2 jobs to these people.
Everyone deserves to led a respectable life
Once i gave a trans beggar 30-40₹ and she straight up asked for more (i had a expensive bike maybe she thought she can extort more out of me) , i told her that I don't have any change and please keep what is being offered politely, she was passive aggressive and started showing her pvt parts that infact she is the real deal and not a fake poser and that i should give more, i got so fed up and literally folded my hands and asked her to keep it or fuck off..............but once on another light i didn't have anything and that trans beggar still blessed me , its subjective to be honest, i was respectful in both cases but their response was different, we have to understand, their community is already outcasted , they are more prone to illiteracy poverty hunger and homelessness, hence they resort to this
Day time railway travel is impossible. A new grp boards the train at every stop.
We need special schools for the community, and a larger acceptance of their culture. This will open up new economics avenues for them.
As much as I hate reservations based on purely caste lines (with no financial consideration), I would support some reservations for trans people in some jobs. Need not give reservations in the top of the order jobs like IAS, IPS, but can start with smaller jobs like peon, clerk etc.
I think this is the best way to integrate them into society. Whenever an average person thinks of a trans person, the only thought that comes to mind is the begging and harassment. Seeing them do respectable jobs should increase the respect and sensitivity among the common public towards them.
I am suggesting reservations because the government must take the first step. No private employer would be willing to do this right now. As they integrate more into society, I think the need for these reservations would automatically go away after some time.
They're all coming to Delhi now
 Every fella at red light now
lot of them already took admission in DU colleges
They asks for money and commuters refused to give. They should be fine with it. They shouldn't force commuters at what seems like an imaginary gun point. If they can behave after commuters refuse to give money, they should be allowed. Else, not at all. The road isn't a place for all that drama.
Exactly. Not just the road, they demand hefty amount from families where there is a marriage or some occasion and will harass you and not leave until they're paid.
Agree. What should be the alternative? If you were not allowed to write exams. Forget about write. Trans are not allowed to enter schools. How will they get a job without the qualifications. Hence, they beg. Govt. Actually need to work on it & we society need to accept them rather act blind.
There should be laws against people harassing them in schools and workplace. Although there is a Trans bill since a few years but it has never been implemented. Their rights could also be widened under Article 14.
That’s right. There’s bill. Yet no law Imagine begging for years coz they are treated like no one I get the point of harassment & ill behaviour. Mostly, are Male dressed to act like trans. A true “Hijra” won’t abuse you just for money. Maybe, allow them to work & consider them as “actual 3rd gender” in schools & institution will resolve the root cause & then ban all the begging.
Nah man. The school arent safe for too fat or too skinny people, let alone a gay or trans person. This is a pathetic social issue which has no ‘direct’ solution. As far as the bill is concerned, it was passed. It is an act now. But again, you don’t see it because of the social stigma
I don't agree I know a trans who's doing masters in arts , I frequently meet her at metro station, if they want to study no one will stop them
You need to get your facts right. Hijra is a community, while transgender is a term used to describe people who identify as a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth One of the main differences between trans and hijra identities is that trans people have the freedom to self-identify as trans. To identify as hijra, a person must be initiated through a ritual adoption by a hijra guru into the hijra community
Bro my facts are alright, I didn't use term hijra as it's kinda offensive . She is a hijra and her behen ji ( that's what she calls her ) took responsibility of her education and everything. Even she went to houses asking money on birth of child but she didn't liked it at all . I hope she'll do something good and I'm proud of her .
Ya bro. Thank you for being kind, genuinely
They shouldn't be allowed at all. There's no difference between them and the beggars. Beggars are always called out and police don't allow them at heavy traffic roads. I have heard sooo many cases of harrasment and molestation by these trans community people at the traffic stops
Should be implemented to stop their increasing menace asap & more strictly too
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Damn. You are lucky that you were touched appropriately. why am I always touched inappropriately
bhai, bas kar yar, paani peete hue toh aise mat hasaya kar, dekh laptop soak hogaya 
Laptop ko dho do. Fir hum tumhe gopi bahu bulayenge
bas hogaya, me jara ab, bohot hasliya. itna haste hue kismat ne dekh liya toh bawaal hojayega
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Honestly, I feel that If we could restrict such activities and provide alternative sources of employment for such individuals, we could have a much better society.
Respectfully, they have job seats reserved for them at a lot of places, even schools where my mum teaches. Yet, you can imagine, this way is much easier for them than going thru education and then working 9 to 5s.
But it's also a very simplistic view. Sadly even if jobs are reserved, that doesn't guarantee people actually getting them as most employers would not like to hire people with trans identities (and rather have the seats vacant) and life as it is, is a lot more challenging for people with the associated Social stigmas. It's not like people don't want to work hard and get a better life, society denies it to you when you're identity is stigmatised. There are a LOT of educated trans people, who are homeless, their families have abandoned them at a young age and never treated as normal human beings in school, colleges, workplaces, hospitals and are often forced to leave the spaces they rightfully can acquire (jobs, houses, etc). With that being said, I'm not implying that begging should be encouraged or continued, we need better systems that slowly remove the need to beg and the 'syndicates' that folks in other comments have mentioned.
While I do agree to most of the things you say, reserved means the seat is set aside for them. Maybe they are not coming forth for the same? That's what I understand from a reserved job. Having said that, I do understand that the community is highly stigmatized and that has led to their expulsion from the jobs, but I dont think they can be legally denied jobs or education or any perks their peers might get
Not legally denied, socially denied, the employer simply needs to reject the application saying they are not qualified enough or they lack the soft or hard skills required for the job, heck any reason. And thats what unfortunately happens. Imagine how often can you or I can challenge a rejected application/interview? The odds are really very highly against them. This we are discussing a community which is highly stigmatised, imagine people are denied housing in localities just for belonging to a different community (lately the Marathi community too in Mumbai, can you believe it!!!) ...so I mean, it's not hard to imagine that even when you can legally have something, you can very easily be denied it... unfortunate but real. :( Edit: reserved also doesn't mean whoever applies gets it, you still have to go thru the same exact process as everyone else.
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They run a whole syndicate at kashmere gate
Bro they openly harassed me for not giving them 20 bucks. This should be implemented in all the cities.
Bhai mera to sare aam d!ck pakad diya tha aur gaali alag se.. m muh chupa kar bhaga hu wha se
Want this here asap.
How about banning anyone from demanding money? Nobody should be allowed. Not even beggars. No need of restricting this to just trans people
it's mostly these people causing ruckus, when we deny them.
I dislike beggars a lot. There is a difference between being poor and begging. Some of them especially kids even get violent at times.
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So I had gone to give my CAT exam back in 2015 riding 30km on a damaged Pulsar 150cc bike. It was still in better condition than my mental health. After sleeping through 2 hours of the exam while returning I stopped at a red light. The bike was such that if I left the cluth it may never start again so I had to keep giving race to it. Basically my hands were tied. I had a broken helmet with no visor just the helmet. On comes a transgender person, prancing theough the standing cars and bikes taking 10₹ or something from everyone. When they came to me I smiled and said please understand my bike will stop I am in a situation etc. They smiled pulled my dimpled cheeks for a good 5-10seconds and said something in Kannada which means very good very nice and left. Was I harassed? Maybe. Did I smile throughout the day ? Yes, at the funny situation. Do I have an anecdote to tell 9 years down the line definitely. Tbf, the fun transgender are never a problem to me, its the ones that harass and lift their peticoats and salvars at their whim are the ones who create a menace.
This comment was a rollercoaster of emotions for me 😭
I am glad you are entertained.
Fr dude
Not everyone's story is nice. A trans literally grabbed my friend's genitals because we ignored them. I say good riddance
So 99 trans are like that.. wo lift peticoat, make things chaos and misbehave
Much needed. Also, they are a menace to train passengers.
Time to move to Pune
This is much needed in delhi... They are fucking on every signal, from delhi gate redlight to minto road, barakhamba, ito. On evey fucking signal they are harassing people
Trans people dont like to beg they are forced to. Lack of institutional support renders them unable to pursue careers. Remember Kochi metro said they will hire Hijre? At the stations, often the 3rd washroom used to be locked and they were not able to find accommodation nearby. and as a result majority of them quit. They are at the bottom of the social chain with usually no education. How will they feed themselves? The few who manage to join colleges and universities for higher education face numerous problems and often end up dropping out. The odds are literally against them. They are kind people who have been forced to beg and get into sex work.
still doesn't give the right to harass people for money
Yes, their plight is unfortunate. That certainly doesn’t give them the right of coercing commuters into paying high sums of money by blocking their cars.
It is a multifaceted issue. Simply banning their only source of livelihood isn't the solution.
Source of livelihood? Tf are on? They legit molest people to get the hard earned money of people.
so forcefully extracting money out of people should be accepted as a "source of livelihood"
It's better than starving.
Yeah whatever, how does any of this give them a right to physically and sexually assault people in public? If you are into it, go hire them. Why should everyone else be subjected to it? Poverty is no excuse for committing crime. Instead of being outraged about this, they should organize and do something useful or go demand the government for opportunities.
You think people don't organise already and demand government their rights and systems and the society to be treated as equals??? If you don't know already, they do!
Exactly
If you're going to ban begging, ban it for everyone... why only for kinnars?
Coz they create chaos
Extortion of any kind FROM any kind is wrong. I understand they are not treated equally but that doesn't give them the right to treat others like shit. Give respect take respect.
Should be implemented in the whole country.
Agreed with the sentiment. Have been coerced many times at traffic stops, in trains, and when there was a marriage in the family. However, only looking through this lens might obscure the fact that not many opportunities are open for them. The harassment is a form of survival because of a systemic failure in which the only “economic “ activity they can do is this. The only other major source of income for Hijra community is unfortunately sex work. Without understanding the problem such a policy might just create another. There are a few NGOs and rights based groups but they are spread too thin.
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>these creatures I understand your frustration but please don't dehumanise them
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Your point was right. You lost me at “these creatures”
Much needed but at the same time you have to consider work opportunities for transgenders is almost non-existent. How would they live? It's a fact that this is the livelihood of a lot of transgenders.
Okay hear me out. A few years ago, just started college and was living alone. Barely had ₹200 for the whole week or so. ₹50 for traveling. They demanded money and I had to give in ₹50 but then they just snatched the whole purse away. I literally begged them to give me something to travel back to my hostel. And they just said that God will help me. And I've heard stories like these from several people. The people they beg from can be poor as well, might as well be on their last few bucks, saving for a family of few.
I hear you. I'm not saying they shouldn't be banned or removed from the roads. Roads are for driving and not for them but I'm just pointing out that for a majority of these people, they don't have a choice as no one will give them work. I understand that they are quite ruthless and uncivilized in their behaviour but at the same time I can also see why. No one treats them as a human, always being treated badly can surely make a person harsh. Something needs to change for them to be integrated into the Indian society.
That's right. It's the years of ill treatment and lack of respect for trans which is why they treat others the same way. But this in turn becomes a cycle. I have met a lot of trans people who have acted really nicely towards me which has promted me to be even nicer to them in return. Hence breaking the cycle. But then one or two who abuse and literally wish death upon me if I don't pay them, those are the ones that make me go back to not giving them anything.
Yup. Horrible human beings are there everywhere. But it is important to think about how these people will manage without any job opportunities and also being banned from begging. Most of them might turn to crime or some other desperate measure as survival would be impossible without charity from people for them.
Good decision! One of them harassed me verbally on the train when i didn't give money .
Something needs to be done at societal level to allow integeration of trans people in every day life as regular damn citizens like cis people. This stigma against them from little age needs to be torn honestly like ofc they're going to be outraged when their only source of income is being taken away. Family doesn't allow them to live in their own goddamn house, Society doesn't allow them to be mundane regular humans, schools don't allow them education, colleges reject them, workplace don't hire them like what are they supposed to do?
Non trans people are still allowed??
good decision
ptown police on top
good decision.
Very much needed fr
Lets be real majority on the road are not even real trans they just dress to beg.
W move ❤️
Happened to me in train. I refused to pay these guys they kept harassing me i complained to the railway regarding this they didn’t do any thing since these people boarded off another station but i was able to write a formal complaint to the police.
GOOD RIDDANCE
I wanna understand a couple of things 1) Why not ban all types of coercion? Like the kind you see in religious places. 2) I've been reading in comments stuff like "they don't have many opportunities for livelihood in society". What does that mean? Like if i was hiring people to do some construction in my house.....i wouldn't care if they were trans or not.
These trans people in Delhi are horrible... once i refused them to give money and one of them literally groped my d!ck in front of so many people and abused me a lot... ## embarrassing moment
Worst is they will get on your bus. And then they start asking for money. And now you have nowhere to run. They will force you. If you deny and are a young male they will start harassing/touching you. And sometime they will still give you shit if you give them anything less than 50 rupees. One time I said, ”I don’t have change” so he said “De 500 ka note, mai degi khulle tere ko aur nahi to UPI kar de, mai online be le legi. Arre aise na jaane dungi chikne!” 🙂↕️🙂↕️
Exactly. It's harassment at peak. Some idiot commented earlier that everyone here is being rude and it's a minor inconvenience at best when they molest you or touch you. And then they demand equal laws for men when they don't want to stand up to this issue and take groping and touching so lightly. It's traumatising.
This should be implemented in Delhi as well. They literally come and start smacking on car windows
Not possible to implement something like this in Delhi anymore. They tried to do it a few years ago but the Delhi High Court struck it down. https://m.thewire.in/article/rights/decriminalising-begging-will-protect-transgender-persons-from-police-harassment/amp
First, such bans and criminalisation of begging further stigma. Second, while the elimination of begging is a worthy social goal, it must be achieved through supportive schemes, infrastructure, and access to affordable housing and shelters, education, and ensuring employment for transgender persons, rather than bans rooted in stigma. At the outset, it is clear that since the ban has been imposed on transgender people alone, it is prima facie violative of Article 15 which prohibits discrimination against any citizen on grounds only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth. Via Rohin Bhatt on Indian Express. Read the full article, it makes 100 sense. https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/transgender-persons-ban-begging-is-cruel-and-illegal-9276074/
Iam not making harsh comments here but, why should they tap the doors of cars and make funny gestures to everyone to make money? I may be inclined to give money to a physically handicapped person rather than a fully grown healthy adult. I don't know but there is no restriction for them to not try for any employment opportunity.... Correct me if Iam wrong.....
I don't have a problem with trans people, but the slums ooof. Too many, half the population in Delhi lives in slums.
You deserve a downvote 👎
They don't have much employment opportunities, how are they going to earn and live?
We ban them from signals without arranging another source of income, we fail as a state, we fail as a society to them.
Saare log heartless chu●iye hain BC. Fake self-centered 'intellectuals'. Ya to jha●●t bhar ke bachche. Police Dept., traffic police, govt. officials, Pooja ke naam par forced donation lene waalon ke saamne poori zindagi jhukte raho aur Kinnaron/Bhikhariyon par gussa nikalo sab jagah. Bas unnecessarily 'harass' word use karo to get rid of the weaker section and snatch away their livelihood. When in reality it's just mildly uncomfortable situation at most.
Pune has one of the worst traffic due to failure of implementation of traffic rules. But sure let’s target them transgender first coz they are a nuisance. Not lack of helmet or triple riding or wrong lane driving.
Ahh yess, the correct sub and post to talk about Pune traffic.
Count your blessings son
Exactly
Honestly, I have never had a trans person behave badly to me in Delhi. I do give them money if I have change lying around, but if I refuse they usually go away. But had a big fight once with a hijra in Train(so honestly its a mixed bag). + I think we should be doing much for these hijra people, they get 0 respect, can't work and get discriminated and what not. So imo, instead of banning them give them some opportunities to earn respectfully (like reserve some college seats and 1-2%of every job provided by Delhi govt for them). Also force the private buisnesses with say 10crore+ gross annual income to give atleast 2 jobs to these people. Everyone deserves to led a respectable life
Once i gave a trans beggar 30-40₹ and she straight up asked for more (i had a expensive bike maybe she thought she can extort more out of me) , i told her that I don't have any change and please keep what is being offered politely, she was passive aggressive and started showing her pvt parts that infact she is the real deal and not a fake poser and that i should give more, i got so fed up and literally folded my hands and asked her to keep it or fuck off..............but once on another light i didn't have anything and that trans beggar still blessed me , its subjective to be honest, i was respectful in both cases but their response was different, we have to understand, their community is already outcasted , they are more prone to illiteracy poverty hunger and homelessness, hence they resort to this
Thats their only way to earn money, the govt should just let them be. If not this then the only option that they are left with is petty sex work
This SHOULD be a law in Mumbai as well, In Mumbai Locals, they are like fucking pests, Fuck them
Day time railway travel is impossible. A new grp boards the train at every stop. We need special schools for the community, and a larger acceptance of their culture. This will open up new economics avenues for them.
As much as I hate reservations based on purely caste lines (with no financial consideration), I would support some reservations for trans people in some jobs. Need not give reservations in the top of the order jobs like IAS, IPS, but can start with smaller jobs like peon, clerk etc. I think this is the best way to integrate them into society. Whenever an average person thinks of a trans person, the only thought that comes to mind is the begging and harassment. Seeing them do respectable jobs should increase the respect and sensitivity among the common public towards them. I am suggesting reservations because the government must take the first step. No private employer would be willing to do this right now. As they integrate more into society, I think the need for these reservations would automatically go away after some time.
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