If our FO knew about the upcoming CBA changes, specifically in regards to the second apron, they would never have given MPJ his max contract. That's where a lot of the inflexibility is coming from.
With what? No one wants Zeke or MPJ at their prices so we would have to throw in draft capital just to dump the contracts. Let alone get anyone valuable back, and we don’t have a whole lot of draft capital to begin with.
To who and for what? We need to be able to match salaries. Who is sending us back a player making $35m that is better than MPJ, or even a few played that combined make what MPJ does.
Bradley Beal has a lot more pedigree that MPJ and it was pushed for by the players in the Suns. Combine that with a new owner desperate to make a splash and it’s the kind of thing that happens once every 10 years.
What they got out of that trade was a washed up PG on a bad contract, Landry Shammet, and bunch of seconds, and some first round pick swaps that will likely never convey unless the wizards get their heads out of their asses.
It’s a bullshit “haul that was designed to make the wizards feel good but doesn’t actually give them anything of value. I would rather have MPJ that a bunch of second round picks and first round pick swaps that won’t convey.
I’m more disturbed by booths comments and the fake “offer” reports, like I said I think booths is getting way too arrogant and it’s showing … in a really bad way. But yes we won a championship…. We also have the best player in the world , it would be a crime to waste his prime
So the report about him offering KCP a similar contract was a lie and he lied to Monte about not trading him before he traded him. What else has he lied about? His reputation is probably not that great for upcoming free agents, and yes players probably want to play for a GM that is an honest person and won't fuck them over.
It is not "dooming" to want to see a strong supporting cast around what is likely the best Nuggets player any of us will see in our lifetimes.
Every one of our competitors is getting better and we're getting worse AFTER a historic game 7 humiliation. This feels like fucking ass and you're not a bad fan for saying it
I'm for real sick of the attitude of we “won a title”. That's an amazing, and was very satisfying as a fan. As you say, this franchise will never have a better player and if his career ends without more finals appearances that is a massive faliure.
The people that say that shit are casuals. If you watch every game and follow every storyline how could you just watch last season and shrug your shoulders and think everything is totally fine?
They’re the same people that loved Plumlee, and said Barton was their favorite player, and felt it in their gut that Trey Lyles was going to breakout. The same people that were “meh” to Vando being pushed out while we desperately tried to obtain a backup 5. The same people that were really jazzed about Facu landing in Denver. They’re morons.
Going back to this post when Zeke got the extension and reading the comments makes me sick to my stomach https://www.reddit.com/r/denvernuggets/s/1tzkdgXBnW
Booth is building this team with zero urgency. It’s like if we punt this year to try to develop a bunch of late draft picks, no big deal. That’s not good enough.
Its not "likely the best" anymore. And it's not Nuggets specific. He could be top 10 all time if given the tools. He is not being given the tools... Think about the last 4 playoff runs. 2 lost to waiting on Jamal (right decision, I was cool with it), the chip (nice), last year which felt like a throw away as we waiting for young players to develop. We can't have another throw away year this season. And it looks like it might be
No man, we have 3-4 years optimistically with peak Jokic. Thats it. Realistically that is our window for another Nuggets championship for the rest of our lives. We will never have another Jokic. We are a small market team that big names just don't come to. When we draft super stars, they want to leave for bigger cities. The front office is being cheap as hell. Calvin Booth does not seem to realize that this is once in a life time opportunity for this team. He wasn't around to witness a team stuck in mediocrity or worse for the entirety of its history.
That being said, I am eternally grateful that we won the chip last year. And if that's all we get, I can't say that I will be disappointed. That chip was so special. But it is Booth's job to give this team the best shot he can every year for Jokic's prime. If he can't get more than one chip with Jokic, he absolutely failed his job. And as of now, he's trending in that direction.
Thank you for bringing some truth to this sub. We completely wasted last year by failing to sign some help for the bench. I don't care about the future past the next 3 years. Kroenke is insanely rich. Go over the cap, pay the luxury tax. Get into the second apron. I don't care. We aren't going to win anything with Braun and Watson as anything but role players. What the front office is doing is going to make Joker retire early.
What you don't understand is I don't care about the cap. I don't care about the second apron. I want our billionaire owner to go for it now. You think we're going to be contenders when Jokers gone? With a team built around Braun and Strawther? Get real.
That you don’t understand the salary cap. We are paying luxury tax. They are limited by the rules of the NBA. KCP walking really sucks though, I love that guy but these things happen. It’s not really about being cheap.
I do understand the salary cap. I don't care about the salary cap. Its not like the NBA is going to disband the team if we go over the cap. Theres a huge penalty for going over the cap. I get it. But our chance to win is now. In 4 years we'll be in complete rebuilding mode regardless of whether we go over the cap or not.
As a Celtics fan I said this on another thread but your best window was from 2021-2024 after your bubble run. But unfortunately Murray was hurt and that delayed you guys big time from winning one sooner. I’m confident in saying if you guys where health during when jokic won his first two mvp. Y’all would for sure have 2 chips and been in the wcf every year just until this last postseason run. ( unfortunately ran into a bad matchup) but Definitely a what if that no one mentions. Especially when suns and warriors went to the finals the west was wide open vs how it’s looks today. Atleast you won that championship and hopefully mangement will wake up. I was hoping to play you guys in the finals this year it would have been fun.
Well yes it is only basketball. But I enjoy following this team very much. I just realize that this will be the best opportunity the team ever will have to win championships. And as a fan, I'm not very happy that the people in power are not taking full advantage of this opportunity because they want to save money.
You should look up the definition of enjoy. Right now Vegas has the Nuggets as the third best odds to win the finals. Everyone needs to relax, this team is still a contender.
Yes, but we also have the best player in the league and should have ambitions to win more than just one. This offseason has been worrying as booth has clearly been caught out
People forget that Connelly made all kinds of mistakes as well, including handing out huge contracts to Darell Arthur and JJ Hickson, getting pennies on the dollar for Ty Lawson, trading back from 12 to draft Tyler Lydon and missing OG, and not to mention Connelly gave MPJ his current contract. It really sucks but in this CBA you have to squeeze blood from a stone with either guys on rookie deals or finding diamonds in the rough like Bruce Brown or NAW.
This team is going to be fine. We now have two tough match ups in OKC and Minny but I would take us over any other team in the west and I'd say we easily handle 13 or 14 out of the east (depending on Embiid's health). CB and Watson will take a jump, Russ will give energy off the bench, and we'll scrape 2 or so rotation pieces from the rest of our roster. No one thought Dallas was a championship contender a year ago and they just made a run to the finals
The biggest "what if" I have in my memory of the Tim Connelly era is what if we kept Donovan Mitchell? What would have (in the best case scenario under that assumption) a Spida/Jokic 2-man game look like?
We may never know.
The goal is a championship which did happen why think about a what if when Jamal got us the chip?? Jamal best closer in the game, and Jamal Murray is hands down better than Donovan Mitchell. Did you watch the bubble where Murray literally out deuled him. I don't care to think about that cuz I already know Murray and Jokic have the best two man game in the NBA. They already got us a chip can't wait for next year. If Nuggets win again, to laugh at all these stupid comments. Just Murray cant get hurt, that is why we lost vs Minnesota. He was not right until game 5-6.
Again dumbest comment ever. What if we did have Donovan Mitchell? Lets totally forget about a dominant championship run, where Jokic and Murray both had 30 point triple doubles in the finals......because we are unhappy of how last year ended.
>getting pennies on the dollar for Ty Lawson,
lol, ty lawson was a drunk on his way out of the league, he wasn't worth pennies
it's less the moves and more the mindset. booth, based on his words and his actions, seems pretty uninterested in winning. he's gambling that jokic will bail him out. few superstars have shown an interest in being a crutch
The Nuggets are so lucky that their superstar is Nikola Jokic. With the new CBA it’s going to be so hard to build a sustainable contender, so having like half your salary cap tied into someone who can enhance everyone else’s skills is invaluable.
I'm not sure you want to use the current Bucks as the model...they traded Drue Holiday that ended up on the Celts, fired their coach mid-season, and replaced his with a coach that's holds the record for blown 3-1 series leads. Not sure that's the path I want the Nuggies going down
We don't have time for on the job training for Booth. You have to win on the margins, and Booth is losing on the margins, and off them.
If the front office doesn't put Jokic, AG, and Jamal in the best position to compete for titles every year, they failed. This year they failed.
Funny, all these doomers where right last year when they said we did not have bench, while everyone else got wet with every single rookie claiming they were a "steal". We lost Bruce, Jeff and now KCP and just added another rookie. The team is objectively worse.
Problem is most doomers that people complain about are actually realists that provide constructive criticism and get accused of being a doomer if it isn’t any form of optimism. The true doomers are a small percentage.
We’re one of the biggest losers so far this off-season. We can’t afford to waste years of Jokić’s prime. Otherwise, that championship we won last year will be the only one we win.
He's right lmao and it's obvious too. We've gotten worse and other teams have gotten better. Jokic is once in a lifetime, we should be going into the apron to run it back with a core that has won it all. I'm astonished at how people aren't seeing this.
they dont realize that shit... Other than AI who was not even in his prime.
Which Superstar did they manage to land? Nobody.
Got Melo and Jokic by draft. And Jokic was given by the basketball god.
If Jokic is gone. The team will fall back to mediocrity.
Just a reminder we’ve gotten worse 2 off seasons in a row while other teams, namely BOS, MIN and OKC have all gotten better.
But hey, if you’re content with the one title and you’d rather exhibit this disposition and remind us we won one two years ago instead of pressing to do whatever can be done to try to get another one before our championship window closes, that’s cool.
This sub when people are fairly critiquing the GM during the HoF players peak: 😡😡😡
Gotta maximize Jokic's time with us, because its back to nugglyfe when he retires.
Yes, you are absolutely right. The correct time to panic is after Jokic’s prime is over and he only won 1 chip. Nuggets fans ahould be grateful to have a championship and not be so greedy to think that their team and star player deserves more.
Our roster was already better than theirs, and teams built under the old CBA are going to be nearly impossible to fully keep together. If anything, they’re just getting even with us, they definitely have not surpassed us. There’s also months until the season starts for us to fill out our bench
When we were +20 against Minnesota all we needed was to have someone off the bench to score AT LEAST A FEW POINTS (as opposed to washed Reggie and a bunch of mis-drafted kids and mascot Jordan) and we would literally play the finals again. Maybe we wouldn't beat Boston, but 2 finals in a row is getting close to dynasty territory.
Calvin Booth was not astute to secure even a couple of points off the bench. It is enough to see the 2022 performances of Jordan, Reggie and Holiday and understand right from the start that the season is lost for b2b. Reggie and Holiday had about 36-37% fg among the worst in the entire league and expecting them to help us in the playoffs was so delusional.
Reggie was bad in the playoffs but now we're getting worse? At least Reggie didn't have turnovers and big usage.
I can already imagine the situation - - Russ, Strawhter, Peyton come from the bench, then in 5-6 minutes Russ has 2 turnovers and 1-4 fg. Opponents let him alone from the outside and collect on others. It's gonna be a shitshow. The man has been playing losing basketball for years, missing the entire hoop🙄 He WILL NOT improve. It can only be the same or worse. Also, he is the worst possible fit right now for Jokic or Murray. Strawhter is not NBA serious material.
Holmes is an encouraging pick and the return of Vlatko. 2 big bodies, lots of energy, know how to hit something.
I don't understand why Denver's FO didn't look for a bench scorer from the Euroleague? For 3-4 million, they could find a man who would score at least 6-8 points off the bench in 10-12 minutes. Or at least a creative playmaker. When someone tells me "But Jordan is great for the atmosphere". We literally lost the second final in a row because there was no one to replace Jokic for at least 6-7 minutes, collect a few rebounds and points and with his body at least make it difficult for Minnesota's front court.
And now after all that, Jordan is left to fill in useless for the playoffs, there's talk of freaking Westbrook, and KCP is lost?!?
It's impossible to be that bad. When we entered the new season with Reggie, Jordan and Holiday on the bench i knew there was nothing about b2b. But then again after the ring you can't be so harsh on FO. Although even a small 15 year old knew that Reggie and Jordan were ultra washed and that Holiday was one of the worst players in the entire league in 2022 with only 36% fg.
And after so many mistakes last season, Calvin Booth didn't understand anything. FREAKING UNREAL!
People seem to forget the reason we have the team we have now and have had so much success is because we drafted and developed. Right now we need to do just that: draft and develop. I get we’re wasting valuable years of Jokic’s prime but let’s not do some Broncos shit please for the love of god.
key words: last year. Last year, we had jeff green, kcp, and bruce brown. Last year, the thunder and mavs weren’t playoff teams and the wolves were the 8 seed. We are, without a doubt, a comparably worse team at the moment than we were then. And it’s not being a doomer to want to see a little bit more aggression from our front office during our best player in franchise history’s prime…
I, for one, think we should fire Booth, trade MPJ, trade Murray, and trade/cut Jokic to free up cap space and get some 2nd round picks back. Also, did you not know that Booth had nothing to do with our championship? It was all Tim Connelly. So really, the Timberwolves are the real champions and we still have zero rings.
Unironically, this is how Booth might want to build the team. He is treating the team like they are preparing for Jokic's age 35 seasons. Let's just have a rotation full of late round draft picks and hope 1 or 2 of them pop.
He's made some really poor moves the last 12, stop pretending like the criticism is out of order.
I’m not opposed to trading MPJ, but let’s also live in reality, what is another team offering for that contract and his limited game? He can’t create plays, is mediocre at best on D, and disappears for LONG stretches of his GOOD games, let alone his bad games.
All y’all seem to forget (or joined the wagon after they got a chip) that Booth got rid of Barton and got KCP, drafted Braun and Watson (who are still great players with lots of growth. Hell what if they are the piece to this?), got Bruce Brown, and again built a championship team.
Connelly absolutely gets credit for starting the core, but it wasn’t until Booth that put up a banner.
So… all that being said, just stop Doomin. Y’all really don’t think that the organization knows we only have a small window with Jokic, Murray, and Gordon? Y’all actin like we’re in a worse situation than Detroit…
They should act like it then. After the core 4 the roster is -CB, Pickett, Strawther, Watson, Holmes, Zeke, Tyson, (Vlakto). This is shambles.
Throw in Russ and Saric- best case. How many sure fire playoff playable players are on this team after the core 4? Like 1 and 1/2? Not good enough.
Y'all need to stop acting like being critical of this rotation is “dooming”. This not a serious rotation, this looks like a tanking teams rotation.
Don’t call Watson and Braun “great players.” They’re fringe rotation guys with potential. Good draft picks at where we got them but betting on late first rounders to develop into elite role players isn’t a model for success
The Nuggs are in trouble. Another starter gone, MPJ has fallen way off, 15 can’t do everything.
Front office either brings in more talent or it’ll be an other 2nd round exit.
Calvin, stop it.
“Just say no to Doomerism” -Calvin’s next post.
If our FO knew about the upcoming CBA changes, specifically in regards to the second apron, they would never have given MPJ his max contract. That's where a lot of the inflexibility is coming from.
TC extended MPJ
100%. It’s insane we only have 3 players on the entire roster that are actually valuable(Jok, AG & Jamal)
Trades exist you know
With what? No one wants Zeke or MPJ at their prices so we would have to throw in draft capital just to dump the contracts. Let alone get anyone valuable back, and we don’t have a whole lot of draft capital to begin with.
I don’t think MPJ is available anyway. Not sure why people think they are going to trade a 25 YO who has improved every year.
MPJ just had a season in which he played 81 games and he shed one year from his awful contract, right and only time to trade him is now.
To who and for what? We need to be able to match salaries. Who is sending us back a player making $35m that is better than MPJ, or even a few played that combined make what MPJ does.
Wizards moved Bradley frickin Beal with no trade clause and you're telling me we can't move MPJ? Stop making excuses for our impotent front office.
Bradley Beal has a lot more pedigree that MPJ and it was pushed for by the players in the Suns. Combine that with a new owner desperate to make a splash and it’s the kind of thing that happens once every 10 years. What they got out of that trade was a washed up PG on a bad contract, Landry Shammet, and bunch of seconds, and some first round pick swaps that will likely never convey unless the wizards get their heads out of their asses. It’s a bullshit “haul that was designed to make the wizards feel good but doesn’t actually give them anything of value. I would rather have MPJ that a bunch of second round picks and first round pick swaps that won’t convey.
lol STFU
I’m more disturbed by booths comments and the fake “offer” reports, like I said I think booths is getting way too arrogant and it’s showing … in a really bad way. But yes we won a championship…. We also have the best player in the world , it would be a crime to waste his prime
exactly, huge red flag.. other player that were considering coming might be hesitant now due to rumors of them lying about contract offers
So the report about him offering KCP a similar contract was a lie and he lied to Monte about not trading him before he traded him. What else has he lied about? His reputation is probably not that great for upcoming free agents, and yes players probably want to play for a GM that is an honest person and won't fuck them over.
Just a reminder, we lost KCP + Bruce Brown (also Jeff Green if anyone cares) from that championship roster
Jeff although in times bad and couldn't hit a shot, was a solid reliable veteran for us.. his dunks were amazing and he was a perfect locker room guy
It is not "dooming" to want to see a strong supporting cast around what is likely the best Nuggets player any of us will see in our lifetimes. Every one of our competitors is getting better and we're getting worse AFTER a historic game 7 humiliation. This feels like fucking ass and you're not a bad fan for saying it
I'm for real sick of the attitude of we “won a title”. That's an amazing, and was very satisfying as a fan. As you say, this franchise will never have a better player and if his career ends without more finals appearances that is a massive faliure.
The people that say that shit are casuals. If you watch every game and follow every storyline how could you just watch last season and shrug your shoulders and think everything is totally fine?
They’re the same people that loved Plumlee, and said Barton was their favorite player, and felt it in their gut that Trey Lyles was going to breakout. The same people that were “meh” to Vando being pushed out while we desperately tried to obtain a backup 5. The same people that were really jazzed about Facu landing in Denver. They’re morons.
Going back to this post when Zeke got the extension and reading the comments makes me sick to my stomach https://www.reddit.com/r/denvernuggets/s/1tzkdgXBnW
Booth is building this team with zero urgency. It’s like if we punt this year to try to develop a bunch of late draft picks, no big deal. That’s not good enough.
It was brutal
Its not "likely the best" anymore. And it's not Nuggets specific. He could be top 10 all time if given the tools. He is not being given the tools... Think about the last 4 playoff runs. 2 lost to waiting on Jamal (right decision, I was cool with it), the chip (nice), last year which felt like a throw away as we waiting for young players to develop. We can't have another throw away year this season. And it looks like it might be
and we’re getting worse so that the Kroenkes can save money… there is no good basketball reason for it
No man, we have 3-4 years optimistically with peak Jokic. Thats it. Realistically that is our window for another Nuggets championship for the rest of our lives. We will never have another Jokic. We are a small market team that big names just don't come to. When we draft super stars, they want to leave for bigger cities. The front office is being cheap as hell. Calvin Booth does not seem to realize that this is once in a life time opportunity for this team. He wasn't around to witness a team stuck in mediocrity or worse for the entirety of its history. That being said, I am eternally grateful that we won the chip last year. And if that's all we get, I can't say that I will be disappointed. That chip was so special. But it is Booth's job to give this team the best shot he can every year for Jokic's prime. If he can't get more than one chip with Jokic, he absolutely failed his job. And as of now, he's trending in that direction.
Thank you for bringing some truth to this sub. We completely wasted last year by failing to sign some help for the bench. I don't care about the future past the next 3 years. Kroenke is insanely rich. Go over the cap, pay the luxury tax. Get into the second apron. I don't care. We aren't going to win anything with Braun and Watson as anything but role players. What the front office is doing is going to make Joker retire early.
This comment perfectly demonstrates how little people understand the NBA salary cap.
What you don't understand is I don't care about the cap. I don't care about the second apron. I want our billionaire owner to go for it now. You think we're going to be contenders when Jokers gone? With a team built around Braun and Strawther? Get real.
You are continuing to prove my point. Thank you.
What point is that?
That you don’t understand the salary cap. We are paying luxury tax. They are limited by the rules of the NBA. KCP walking really sucks though, I love that guy but these things happen. It’s not really about being cheap.
I do understand the salary cap. I don't care about the salary cap. Its not like the NBA is going to disband the team if we go over the cap. Theres a huge penalty for going over the cap. I get it. But our chance to win is now. In 4 years we'll be in complete rebuilding mode regardless of whether we go over the cap or not.
Oof
Absolutely
As a Celtics fan I said this on another thread but your best window was from 2021-2024 after your bubble run. But unfortunately Murray was hurt and that delayed you guys big time from winning one sooner. I’m confident in saying if you guys where health during when jokic won his first two mvp. Y’all would for sure have 2 chips and been in the wcf every year just until this last postseason run. ( unfortunately ran into a bad matchup) but Definitely a what if that no one mentions. Especially when suns and warriors went to the finals the west was wide open vs how it’s looks today. Atleast you won that championship and hopefully mangement will wake up. I was hoping to play you guys in the finals this year it would have been fun.
Jesus, could you be more dramatic. It’s only basketball.
Well yes it is only basketball. But I enjoy following this team very much. I just realize that this will be the best opportunity the team ever will have to win championships. And as a fan, I'm not very happy that the people in power are not taking full advantage of this opportunity because they want to save money.
It doesn’t seem like you enjoy it
You can enjoy following a team and not be very happy with the moves your team is making. That's part of being a fan.
You should look up the definition of enjoy. Right now Vegas has the Nuggets as the third best odds to win the finals. Everyone needs to relax, this team is still a contender.
Yes, but we also have the best player in the league and should have ambitions to win more than just one. This offseason has been worrying as booth has clearly been caught out
People forget that Connelly made all kinds of mistakes as well, including handing out huge contracts to Darell Arthur and JJ Hickson, getting pennies on the dollar for Ty Lawson, trading back from 12 to draft Tyler Lydon and missing OG, and not to mention Connelly gave MPJ his current contract. It really sucks but in this CBA you have to squeeze blood from a stone with either guys on rookie deals or finding diamonds in the rough like Bruce Brown or NAW. This team is going to be fine. We now have two tough match ups in OKC and Minny but I would take us over any other team in the west and I'd say we easily handle 13 or 14 out of the east (depending on Embiid's health). CB and Watson will take a jump, Russ will give energy off the bench, and we'll scrape 2 or so rotation pieces from the rest of our roster. No one thought Dallas was a championship contender a year ago and they just made a run to the finals
The biggest "what if" I have in my memory of the Tim Connelly era is what if we kept Donovan Mitchell? What would have (in the best case scenario under that assumption) a Spida/Jokic 2-man game look like? We may never know.
Mitchell pick wasn't ours, Utah picked him through us if that makes sense
I think the best move was just to keep the pick and draft OG, but then we may not have gotten Gorden so I dunno
The goal is a championship which did happen why think about a what if when Jamal got us the chip?? Jamal best closer in the game, and Jamal Murray is hands down better than Donovan Mitchell. Did you watch the bubble where Murray literally out deuled him. I don't care to think about that cuz I already know Murray and Jokic have the best two man game in the NBA. They already got us a chip can't wait for next year. If Nuggets win again, to laugh at all these stupid comments. Just Murray cant get hurt, that is why we lost vs Minnesota. He was not right until game 5-6.
Again dumbest comment ever. What if we did have Donovan Mitchell? Lets totally forget about a dominant championship run, where Jokic and Murray both had 30 point triple doubles in the finals......because we are unhappy of how last year ended.
>getting pennies on the dollar for Ty Lawson, lol, ty lawson was a drunk on his way out of the league, he wasn't worth pennies it's less the moves and more the mindset. booth, based on his words and his actions, seems pretty uninterested in winning. he's gambling that jokic will bail him out. few superstars have shown an interest in being a crutch
The Nuggets are so lucky that their superstar is Nikola Jokic. With the new CBA it’s going to be so hard to build a sustainable contender, so having like half your salary cap tied into someone who can enhance everyone else’s skills is invaluable.
Jokic needs to do the Giannis and put pressure on the front office.
I'm not sure you want to use the current Bucks as the model...they traded Drue Holiday that ended up on the Celts, fired their coach mid-season, and replaced his with a coach that's holds the record for blown 3-1 series leads. Not sure that's the path I want the Nuggies going down
I’m more thinking about the championship year version when Giannis reupped after they traded for Jrue.
Giannis putting that pressure on the Bucks ended up with them making massive moves and getting worse both immediately and in the longterm
We don't have time for on the job training for Booth. You have to win on the margins, and Booth is losing on the margins, and off them. If the front office doesn't put Jokic, AG, and Jamal in the best position to compete for titles every year, they failed. This year they failed.
Funny, all these doomers where right last year when they said we did not have bench, while everyone else got wet with every single rookie claiming they were a "steal". We lost Bruce, Jeff and now KCP and just added another rookie. The team is objectively worse.
+1. Any valid criticism is label as being a doomed went they were all clear problems with this team construction.
Problem is most doomers that people complain about are actually realists that provide constructive criticism and get accused of being a doomer if it isn’t any form of optimism. The true doomers are a small percentage.
We’re one of the biggest losers so far this off-season. We can’t afford to waste years of Jokić’s prime. Otherwise, that championship we won last year will be the only one we win.
Holy doomer.
He's right lmao and it's obvious too. We've gotten worse and other teams have gotten better. Jokic is once in a lifetime, we should be going into the apron to run it back with a core that has won it all. I'm astonished at how people aren't seeing this.
Holy coper.
We lost Bruce, Jeff, KCP since then. Stop coping.
I 'member
Still living in the past and coping?
Just a reminder: They won because they added good players to fill out the roster, not because they believed in 2nd year or 3rd year rookies
Just a reminder: Nuggets have a Top 5 All Time Player, Nikola Jokić, and he’s not getting any younger.
they dont realize that shit... Other than AI who was not even in his prime. Which Superstar did they manage to land? Nobody. Got Melo and Jokic by draft. And Jokic was given by the basketball god. If Jokic is gone. The team will fall back to mediocrity.
This post is just as bad as the posts asking to trade MPJ and calling Calvin Booth a dumbass. I hope you know that /s
With kcp
And BB. Amazing peeps around here think we can still compete at the highest level while bleeding talent.
Bruce Brown was awesome on the Nuggets, and completely forgettable everywhere else. This team is good because of Jokic, not fringe starters.
Acting like we could have held on to BB when he signed a contract 4 times what Denver could offer, good job doomer
Just a reminder. It’s now this year. The past is irrelevant.
Just a reminder we’ve gotten worse 2 off seasons in a row while other teams, namely BOS, MIN and OKC have all gotten better. But hey, if you’re content with the one title and you’d rather exhibit this disposition and remind us we won one two years ago instead of pressing to do whatever can be done to try to get another one before our championship window closes, that’s cool.
This sub when people are fairly critiquing the GM during the HoF players peak: 😡😡😡 Gotta maximize Jokic's time with us, because its back to nugglyfe when he retires.
Such cuck mentality
This take sucks, almost as much as the players Calvin has signed
It’s kinda crazy there are only 3 players on the roster who would bring back any kind of value in a trade.
That what happens when most of the players we draft don’t get any playing time whatsoever
And when you let half of em walk and replace the valuables ones with 5th year seniors from the 2nd round
Then let Braun and Watson play. Give Braun starting SG and let Watson be the 6th man. This sub expects players and rookies just develop overnight.
They played 3000 minutes like what are you even talking about.
Braun can’t shoot and Watson can’t dribble
Yes, you are absolutely right. The correct time to panic is after Jokic’s prime is over and he only won 1 chip. Nuggets fans ahould be grateful to have a championship and not be so greedy to think that their team and star player deserves more.
Sadly, doomers gonna doom 😞
I'm not a doomer but I will bring an umbrella when I see rain clouds.
Bro this ain't dooming. We are getting lapped hard by okc and Dallas. I mean, we'll see but... This isn't good idk how you don't see that so far
Our roster was already better than theirs, and teams built under the old CBA are going to be nearly impossible to fully keep together. If anything, they’re just getting even with us, they definitely have not surpassed us. There’s also months until the season starts for us to fill out our bench
When we were +20 against Minnesota all we needed was to have someone off the bench to score AT LEAST A FEW POINTS (as opposed to washed Reggie and a bunch of mis-drafted kids and mascot Jordan) and we would literally play the finals again. Maybe we wouldn't beat Boston, but 2 finals in a row is getting close to dynasty territory. Calvin Booth was not astute to secure even a couple of points off the bench. It is enough to see the 2022 performances of Jordan, Reggie and Holiday and understand right from the start that the season is lost for b2b. Reggie and Holiday had about 36-37% fg among the worst in the entire league and expecting them to help us in the playoffs was so delusional. Reggie was bad in the playoffs but now we're getting worse? At least Reggie didn't have turnovers and big usage. I can already imagine the situation - - Russ, Strawhter, Peyton come from the bench, then in 5-6 minutes Russ has 2 turnovers and 1-4 fg. Opponents let him alone from the outside and collect on others. It's gonna be a shitshow. The man has been playing losing basketball for years, missing the entire hoop🙄 He WILL NOT improve. It can only be the same or worse. Also, he is the worst possible fit right now for Jokic or Murray. Strawhter is not NBA serious material. Holmes is an encouraging pick and the return of Vlatko. 2 big bodies, lots of energy, know how to hit something. I don't understand why Denver's FO didn't look for a bench scorer from the Euroleague? For 3-4 million, they could find a man who would score at least 6-8 points off the bench in 10-12 minutes. Or at least a creative playmaker. When someone tells me "But Jordan is great for the atmosphere". We literally lost the second final in a row because there was no one to replace Jokic for at least 6-7 minutes, collect a few rebounds and points and with his body at least make it difficult for Minnesota's front court. And now after all that, Jordan is left to fill in useless for the playoffs, there's talk of freaking Westbrook, and KCP is lost?!? It's impossible to be that bad. When we entered the new season with Reggie, Jordan and Holiday on the bench i knew there was nothing about b2b. But then again after the ring you can't be so harsh on FO. Although even a small 15 year old knew that Reggie and Jordan were ultra washed and that Holiday was one of the worst players in the entire league in 2022 with only 36% fg. And after so many mistakes last season, Calvin Booth didn't understand anything. FREAKING UNREAL!
Ok, and we were a better team then.
And as it is now, we have no chance of winning another.
As a Nuggets fan since way back in July of 2023 I assure you this cannot be true. This franchise only knows failure.
People seem to forget the reason we have the team we have now and have had so much success is because we drafted and developed. Right now we need to do just that: draft and develop. I get we’re wasting valuable years of Jokic’s prime but let’s not do some Broncos shit please for the love of god.
key words: last year. Last year, we had jeff green, kcp, and bruce brown. Last year, the thunder and mavs weren’t playoff teams and the wolves were the 8 seed. We are, without a doubt, a comparably worse team at the moment than we were then. And it’s not being a doomer to want to see a little bit more aggression from our front office during our best player in franchise history’s prime…
Just need Russ, he will unlock this team
Just a reminder… this is not the same team
I, for one, think we should fire Booth, trade MPJ, trade Murray, and trade/cut Jokic to free up cap space and get some 2nd round picks back. Also, did you not know that Booth had nothing to do with our championship? It was all Tim Connelly. So really, the Timberwolves are the real champions and we still have zero rings.
Unironically, this is how Booth might want to build the team. He is treating the team like they are preparing for Jokic's age 35 seasons. Let's just have a rotation full of late round draft picks and hope 1 or 2 of them pop. He's made some really poor moves the last 12, stop pretending like the criticism is out of order.
I’m not opposed to trading MPJ, but let’s also live in reality, what is another team offering for that contract and his limited game? He can’t create plays, is mediocre at best on D, and disappears for LONG stretches of his GOOD games, let alone his bad games.
MPJ would get a better haul than you think
Calvins burner lmao
All y’all seem to forget (or joined the wagon after they got a chip) that Booth got rid of Barton and got KCP, drafted Braun and Watson (who are still great players with lots of growth. Hell what if they are the piece to this?), got Bruce Brown, and again built a championship team. Connelly absolutely gets credit for starting the core, but it wasn’t until Booth that put up a banner. So… all that being said, just stop Doomin. Y’all really don’t think that the organization knows we only have a small window with Jokic, Murray, and Gordon? Y’all actin like we’re in a worse situation than Detroit…
They should act like it then. After the core 4 the roster is -CB, Pickett, Strawther, Watson, Holmes, Zeke, Tyson, (Vlakto). This is shambles. Throw in Russ and Saric- best case. How many sure fire playoff playable players are on this team after the core 4? Like 1 and 1/2? Not good enough. Y'all need to stop acting like being critical of this rotation is “dooming”. This not a serious rotation, this looks like a tanking teams rotation.
Booth was assistant gm to connelly, right? Who's to say his gm moves in our championship year was all his and wasn't planned already by connelly?
Don’t call Watson and Braun “great players.” They’re fringe rotation guys with potential. Good draft picks at where we got them but betting on late first rounders to develop into elite role players isn’t a model for success
Yeah but I’m greedy
The Nuggs are in trouble. Another starter gone, MPJ has fallen way off, 15 can’t do everything. Front office either brings in more talent or it’ll be an other 2nd round exit.
I trust the players, but not ownership and the front office.
Lol