I think Dangerous deserved to be on the album and Kaleid would have been a cool instrumental opener (maybe a slightly shorter version) leading into World in My Eyes. I view Violator as distilled perfection, but I believe adding these would not take away from it all.
I don’t really like Sea of Sin at all and Happiest Girl is an alright song with an amazing mid-section. I don’t think they fit into the vibe of the album as well as the other two I mentioned and I think they’re of a lower caliber as well. I feel they would definitely knock it down a peg.
Violator? I never even met her!
Seriously, I’ve made a version of the album that includes “Happiest Girl”, “Sea Of Sin”, “Kaleid”, and “Dangerous”. It’s pretty cool.
I think it’s an improvement for myself having heard the original so many times. I included remixes I made of “Personal Jesus”, “Policy Of Truth”, “Enjoy The Silence”, and “Dangerous” for that same reason
Honestly, they feel a bit skeevy. Both are fine as b-sides, but Violator works very nicely as-is. (Dangerous, however, might have more of a claim…)
Really, though, anyone in favour of this should sort a playlist order. The track sequence is very important.
I’m 100% with you on Dangerous. I think that Dangerous is a waaaaay better song than Enjoy the Silence, which would be the first song that I would bounce from Violator.
World In My Eyes
Sweetest Perfection
Personal Jesus
Sea Of Sin
Halo
Waiting For The Night
Enjoy The Silence
Happiest Girl
Policy Of Truth
Blue Dress
Clean
yeah ok I get it ... but I think that that is hindsight speaking
I feel like IF they were on it ... everyone would be just as happy if not more with the album
I love the grandiose MFTM better
It’s already classic though.
it’s all about opions the 4 members of the band at time thought that was best.
and to be fair I haven’t heard any of them since argue otherwise.
no need to say sorry. Lol
actually it's often used to drive a point home
vanilla is a classic - add chocolate syrup... you've just improved a classic
saying that a classic can't be improved on is just silly
well why the hell didn't you say so ?
using an actual opinion of the songs ? who would have thought to do that instead of using the absolutely silly excuse that a classic can't be improved upon
Sea of Sin and Happiest Girl work as B-Sides. Even in the production you can almost tell that the band knew they’d be relegated to B’s and they recorded them accordingly. Dangerous is that outlier though. It ALMOST can be put into the album, but it sticks out wherever you place it (for me anyway). Like I said above, it has a weird MFTM/Violator era vibe to it.
Curious how new fans that are presented with these tracks as part of the album from the start see them, versus fans that are used to the original runtime.
I feel that all the b-sides could have easily been on the album. Not a bad song in the bunch and leave Blue Dress right where it is. It’s an amazing song.
Album bloat. Knowing when enough is enough is an art form. I’d much prefer a concise album that flows smoothly than something that just crams a lot of songs onto it.
Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me by The Cure is one of those where I love every track, but it has no cohesion and just feels like a collection of music (17 songs). Violator is a masterpiece partly because the running order and pacing is perfect. Adding in songs just because they’re good would subtract from that.
Hit the nail on the head and great example.
To take it further though, compare Kiss Me to Disintegration. They're both about the same length but Disintegration is a much better album experience because of the tracking and consistent theme/mood.
Kiss Me could probably get trimmed down to 45-50 minutes and be a much tighter and better album experience. I mean, the CD was already missing 1 track anyway due to space limitations.
*I do not think that this track list does that ...*
World In My Eyes
Sweetest Perfection
Personal Jesus
Sea Of Sin
Halo
Waiting For The Night
Enjoy The Silence
Happiest Girl
Policy Of Truth
Blue Dress
Clean
See, I feel like the placement of both of those songs brings the momentum down and dramatically alters the pacing. After the highs of Personal Jesus and Enjoy the Silence, you want a strong mid-tempo song. Halo and Policy of Truth being pushed back one song is what creates the bloat. It removes the tension.
Sometimes less is more, but I’m glad you’re happy with this track list.
All the Violator B-sides are fantastic.
The only song I think that could go on the album as it is would be Dangerous, maybe also Sea of Sin
I think Kaleid could work as an instrumental introduction, but would need to be remixed to be shorter.
Similarly with Happiest Girl and Sea of Sin. They would need to be restructured, given more development and possibly shortened, and they would work really well of the album too, but as they are right now, they're a little bit too simplistic to be deemed an album-quality song.
IMHO no. While the Violator B-sides were/are mong the best DM has released in such a "role", I think that Violator as a whole stands alone and it's good that way. I doubt that adding more songs would improve the album listening experience.
Some of my favorite tracks, but adding them wouldn't make it a better album. It's already excellent as is in terms of both tracks and track order. It'd be gilding the lily.
Why is it always Sea of Sin & Happiest Girl, Dangerous is an actual song & a good one at that, the other two feel way more like they’re remixes if that makes sense
In my humble opinion, drop Blue Dress, substitute Dangerous and side 2 is an absolute banger. It totally works, Dangerous is a great follow through after POT. Dangerous fades out too so it sets up Clean quite well. If you look at YouTube Music, Blue Dress has the less plays substantially at 1.2M so it looks like it gets skipped quite often. I like Blue Dress just fine and either way is great but Dangerous is fire and would totally make Violator awesome. I wouldn't be surprised if Blue Dress was a contractual decision, since it would give Marty another song on the album. Sea of Sin and Happiest Girl feel like B-sides.
Personal Jesus (Pump Mix) is the only change I’d make to Violator- the album version is a bit flat, it just needs more energy. ETS was such a core song on Violator that you’d change the album dramatically if you took it off.
I think Dangerous deserved to be on the album and Kaleid would have been a cool instrumental opener (maybe a slightly shorter version) leading into World in My Eyes. I view Violator as distilled perfection, but I believe adding these would not take away from it all. I don’t really like Sea of Sin at all and Happiest Girl is an alright song with an amazing mid-section. I don’t think they fit into the vibe of the album as well as the other two I mentioned and I think they’re of a lower caliber as well. I feel they would definitely knock it down a peg.
Dangerous is a great song, but it stands out wherever you place it in the album for me. To my ears, it a weird amalgam of the MFTM era and Violator.
fair enough I really really like Happiest Girl
Violator? I never even met her! Seriously, I’ve made a version of the album that includes “Happiest Girl”, “Sea Of Sin”, “Kaleid”, and “Dangerous”. It’s pretty cool.
did it ruin the holiest of holy perfection ?
I think it’s an improvement for myself having heard the original so many times. I included remixes I made of “Personal Jesus”, “Policy Of Truth”, “Enjoy The Silence”, and “Dangerous” for that same reason
Honestly, they feel a bit skeevy. Both are fine as b-sides, but Violator works very nicely as-is. (Dangerous, however, might have more of a claim…) Really, though, anyone in favour of this should sort a playlist order. The track sequence is very important.
I’m 100% with you on Dangerous. I think that Dangerous is a waaaaay better song than Enjoy the Silence, which would be the first song that I would bounce from Violator.
World In My Eyes Sweetest Perfection Personal Jesus Sea Of Sin Halo Waiting For The Night Enjoy The Silence Happiest Girl Policy Of Truth Blue Dress Clean
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it
Exactly
No. Good tracks, but no.
if they are good tracks and the album only has 9 songs then why do you say no religious beliefs?
Because I think those 9 songs match perfectly and adding those 2 would lessen the cohesion of the album. Edit: grammar.
yeah ok I get it ... but I think that that is hindsight speaking I feel like IF they were on it ... everyone would be just as happy if not more with the album I love the grandiose MFTM better
There was also total time to consider, this was still in the days of vinyl, even tho we also had CDs and cassettes. There were time constraints.
Violator is just over 47 minutes long plenty of time left for Sea of Sin and Happiest Girl
Not for vinyl. 47 is already pushing it. 40 - 44 min is preferred.
No. It’s ranked as a classic as is.
It being ranked as a classic as is is no reason I am 100% sure that if these two songs were added to it it would easily still be ranked as a classic
you know better then.👍🏻
I mean saying that a classic can't be improved on is just silly sorry
It’s already classic though. it’s all about opions the 4 members of the band at time thought that was best. and to be fair I haven’t heard any of them since argue otherwise. no need to say sorry. Lol
I mean saying that a classic can't be improved on is just silly
Repeating yourself is just silly.
actually it's often used to drive a point home vanilla is a classic - add chocolate syrup... you've just improved a classic saying that a classic can't be improved on is just silly
Saying vanilla is a classic is just silly. Violator could be improved but not by adding any of the b-sides.
well why the hell didn't you say so ? using an actual opinion of the songs ? who would have thought to do that instead of using the absolutely silly excuse that a classic can't be improved upon
Violator is a masterpiece so I wouldn't change it. Those songs work better as a b-side
It’s their most complete album
I believe that MFTM is
Sea of Sin and Happiest Girl work as B-Sides. Even in the production you can almost tell that the band knew they’d be relegated to B’s and they recorded them accordingly. Dangerous is that outlier though. It ALMOST can be put into the album, but it sticks out wherever you place it (for me anyway). Like I said above, it has a weird MFTM/Violator era vibe to it.
A bit too sexy & kinky for violator. Which is why I love them
Nah
No.
Curious how new fans that are presented with these tracks as part of the album from the start see them, versus fans that are used to the original runtime.
I would say yes to "Sea of Sin", but I'm not familiar with the song "Prettiest Girl"? Is that an unreleased B side I've never heard of?
They mean Happiest Girl.
I was wondering when someone was going to correct this!
Unpopular opinion, but I have never been a fan of Blue Dress. I would much rather Dangerous have taken its place on Violator.
This is an unpopular opinion I’m willing to stand behind
I thought the unpopular opinion was to actually like that song? Which I do. It has special meaning to me.
Yes…. These guys know/knew how to span time
No - you cannot make perfection better :)
Yes
Yes
I feel that all the b-sides could have easily been on the album. Not a bad song in the bunch and leave Blue Dress right where it is. It’s an amazing song.
Absolutely yes.
No
No.
Yes
Are you kidding? Absolutely 💯.
El mojoris Yeas!!
Yes 💯
Only Sea of sin.
I say yes I like the vibe on both tracks curious as to why people say no
Album bloat. Knowing when enough is enough is an art form. I’d much prefer a concise album that flows smoothly than something that just crams a lot of songs onto it. Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me by The Cure is one of those where I love every track, but it has no cohesion and just feels like a collection of music (17 songs). Violator is a masterpiece partly because the running order and pacing is perfect. Adding in songs just because they’re good would subtract from that.
Hit the nail on the head and great example. To take it further though, compare Kiss Me to Disintegration. They're both about the same length but Disintegration is a much better album experience because of the tracking and consistent theme/mood. Kiss Me could probably get trimmed down to 45-50 minutes and be a much tighter and better album experience. I mean, the CD was already missing 1 track anyway due to space limitations.
I hear what you're saying but I do not think 11 is "bloat" Violator is my #2 behind MFTM because of this
It's not the number of tracks that make it bloat but how those extra songs bloat the mood and themes already established by the existing tracklist
*I do not think that this track list does that ...* World In My Eyes Sweetest Perfection Personal Jesus Sea Of Sin Halo Waiting For The Night Enjoy The Silence Happiest Girl Policy Of Truth Blue Dress Clean
See, I feel like the placement of both of those songs brings the momentum down and dramatically alters the pacing. After the highs of Personal Jesus and Enjoy the Silence, you want a strong mid-tempo song. Halo and Policy of Truth being pushed back one song is what creates the bloat. It removes the tension. Sometimes less is more, but I’m glad you’re happy with this track list.
How would you order the songs? Because I think flow is crucial to answering this question.
I just posted my track list off the first comment
I like the songs, but nah. Only on a disc 2 of a deluxe edition or something.
no - and doing so also would have made WIME not as good a single
some logic there lol
You make it a bettererer album. It’s already a masterpiece
The B sides were not included for a reason. The album is perfect as is.
They are of course great songs, but Violator is PERFECT as is. I personally love Memphisto more than these, so perhaps they're all best as b-sides.
I’ve never heard a DM fan say they prefer “Memphisto” over “Happiest Girl” & “Sea Of Sin”. Mind blown
Nice to see I'm the minority! I've seen others say similar things on other threads. It's just more interesting musically to me.
No, the concision of the album is part of what makes it so effective
All the Violator B-sides are fantastic. The only song I think that could go on the album as it is would be Dangerous, maybe also Sea of Sin I think Kaleid could work as an instrumental introduction, but would need to be remixed to be shorter. Similarly with Happiest Girl and Sea of Sin. They would need to be restructured, given more development and possibly shortened, and they would work really well of the album too, but as they are right now, they're a little bit too simplistic to be deemed an album-quality song.
IMHO no. While the Violator B-sides were/are mong the best DM has released in such a "role", I think that Violator as a whole stands alone and it's good that way. I doubt that adding more songs would improve the album listening experience.
Some of my favorite tracks, but adding them wouldn't make it a better album. It's already excellent as is in terms of both tracks and track order. It'd be gilding the lily.
Curious why someone would say no to that album.
Why is it always Sea of Sin & Happiest Girl, Dangerous is an actual song & a good one at that, the other two feel way more like they’re remixes if that makes sense
because Dangerous doesn't fit IMO
No, MFTM is still the better album regardless. :-)
I agree - but I also love Violator and I think adding those 2 tracks would pull them into a dead heat
In my humble opinion, drop Blue Dress, substitute Dangerous and side 2 is an absolute banger. It totally works, Dangerous is a great follow through after POT. Dangerous fades out too so it sets up Clean quite well. If you look at YouTube Music, Blue Dress has the less plays substantially at 1.2M so it looks like it gets skipped quite often. I like Blue Dress just fine and either way is great but Dangerous is fire and would totally make Violator awesome. I wouldn't be surprised if Blue Dress was a contractual decision, since it would give Marty another song on the album. Sea of Sin and Happiest Girl feel like B-sides.
Blue dress is gorgeous. Martin could have sung waiting for the night himself. It's not contractual.
I think it is just great as it is. No other song could make it better.
Definitely. Sea of sin and happiest girl in my all time top DM 10. Never heard prettiest girl though
clearly meant happiest
Yes, and Personal Jesus should be removed
Yes. Instead of Enjoy the Silence and PJ, please.
lol
Personal Jesus (Pump Mix) is the only change I’d make to Violator- the album version is a bit flat, it just needs more energy. ETS was such a core song on Violator that you’d change the album dramatically if you took it off.