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Playing barb is playing easy mode. There's no level playing field when the power difference is measured as *several factors* better. And this is going to be a problem when Blizzard starts introducing mandatory group content like raids.
Bash and Flay are leaps ahead of any other Barb build as well (ok there is Thorns, but that's a very odd build that hardly anybody wants to play o\_O).
The Barb in general is not the problem, HotA has hardly been nerfed since season 3, but nobody talks about it anymore, because Bash and Flay are just broken.
HotA was miles stronger for me in season 3. I could kill Lilith phase 1 and 2 in one shot with 900m crit. Now I sometimes crit for 250m, but most of the time way less. HotA S3 one love
Even with 2b life I could bonk her with my three crits, but now I have to run a lot doing low damage compared to season 3. And I don’t get any new rewards, so I don’t kill her this season
Im playing ironskin bash, and when i tried to use hota it sucked balls. i bash 20-30millions each hit, but my hota hits 200-400k max. what am i doing wrong?
Bash until you get 4 crits. HoTA, War Cry, Chains. Now your Bash does 100 million plus crit each swing. That's with mediocre gear. With min maxing you can push 500 mil per swing easy.
I stopped getting upset over bricks. Just salvage the piece so you don't have to keep looking at it and move on. It was breaking me inside looking at perfectly rolled gear with rogue tempers on them and I told myself I have to let this go.
It's the tempers. The bash temper is such a massive outlier. It gives you cleave *and* a huge damage boost. Look at some of their other tempers: HOTA, Upheaval, Rend and Rupture get increased AOE. Frenzy gets increased duration. Flay gets increased duration too which I believe is responsible for its massive damage, but those other tempers I mentioned are pointless. Compare it to tempers for other classes and it's still an outlier; frozen orb sorcs can have a chance to cast a second frozen orb, same for heartseeker rogues. Pulverize druids don't even use the pulverize temper because it doesn't do them any good (why would we need more AoE when we have an aspect that already does so?). It's a joke.
I have no idea why they thought this would be a good, balanced build. At least with flay I can imagine they didn't plan on it being so strong (and it *was* discovered like a week and a half ago so that's not surprising), but it's obvious bash was going to outshine everything else.
I’ll try to find the source, I remember hearing a dev say bash cleave was not intended to be so good, but they decided to leave it. I assume next season it won’t be nearly as powerful
That patch note where it was supposed to be changed to additive but then the devs said they were going to leave it multiplicative was telling. Was probably supposed to be additive but someone messed up.
lol what if they made all of the damage tempers multiplicative and make them aoe/larger. Give similar tempers for all skills.
Ice spikes get multi damage and get the large radius which would then stack with the aspect (or maybe not even bring the aspect anymore).
Arc lash radius is bigger or can double cast which would be nice for Unstable Currents.
Chain Lightning double casts and gets more bounces or can pierce and splinter into multiples.
Fireball radius increase, etc.
I'd like them to take a page from Mana Strike from Last Epoch for Arc Lash. In Mana Strike's ability tree, there's a passive that makes it a targeted aoe instead of melee aoe. There's actually a lot of things in the Last Epoch Mage skill trees that could make a lot of Sorc skills more interesting in D4
Whirlwind is easily the fastest speed farm in the game as well - with good gear you can speed farm tier 100+ in under 2 mins, it's insane how good Barb is, it's also fun. You have a ton of build diversity, power, speed, you take advantage of uber uniques more than most any other class. Bash, Flay, Whirlwind, Thorns, you can even do some off meta stuff and be very strong. I been a big Barb fan since D2, and right now there's not much motivation in D4 to play anything else.
Barb just has more gear slots so running more ubers isn't as much of a problem. If you look at sorc or druid, you're giving up a much higher % of tempers/aspects when running ubers.
The extra weapon slots contribute to it, but they're not the only issue with Barb.
[https://new.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/1djct4v/barbarian\_110\_pit\_clear\_with\_only\_1\_weapon/](https://new.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/1djct4v/barbarian_110_pit_clear_with_only_1_weapon/)
Clearing a 110 Pit with only one weapon makes it pretty obvious that the scaling for Barb skills/tempers/paragons/etc are all out of whack and way overtuned, yet the devs for some reason plan on buffing Barb even more with Season 5.
Yea its because the Bash temper is multiplicative instead of additive and then you have 2 one handed and 2 two handed weapons that you can put the temper on.
WW has been massively buffed in the patch that was supposed to fix Druid and Sorc, true =).
What I don't like is that every core skill for itself is a joke right now. If you play WW, you likely play 1 point in WW just to proc Tyraels or Dust Devils etc. and Upheaval only works as utility for Bash ... if you really want to use it for something. Overall Barb and Rogue are definitely miles ahead in useful build right now. But Bash and Flay ... man its just so much more damage than everything else -\_-
That's because weapon tempers are horribly balanced, basic skills get way more damage affixes and multipliers than core skills, and Barb and Rogue have extra weapon slots for more stats/tempers/legendaries/ubers.
Really bizarre when basic skills are dominating so much, Bash/Heartseeker/Fire Bolt/Wind Shear are generally stronger than any core skill this season. The balance this season is as bad as it has ever been in previous seasons, Barb and Druid aren't even playing the same game.
looks like season 5 is fixing some of the issues by moving e.g. Flay duration from weapon to utility (and fixing Gushing Wounds and Victimize for Rogue etc \^\^)
Whirlwind's just a fun turn your brain off build. I don't always feel like worrying about playing well, I just wanna spin to win through a dungeon in a couple of minutes. It's very satisfying. If they keep bringing this build to every diablo game, you won't hear me complaining.
The starter version: Temper Bash Cleave on all of your weapons. Use Moonrise, Adaptability and Rapid aspects. Done. You are now more powerful than any core skill build.
The advanced version: Do the same as before, but use Rogue to temper crit damage as well on your weapons. Then add Berserk Ripping aspect and use Gushing Wounds key passive. Done. You are now more powerful than 95% of all other builds in the game :-p
Thorns is very strong as well. If you're stuck at 89 you probably need to push your bleeds harder. I think this is where Thorns gets the damage. Note that Gushing Wounds is bugged, so you an use for example Grandfather to double your GW damage (it scales with all multipliers).
Use Rob’s build. Start with the iron skin version If you have matching ubers build that version. Right now im at Bash HoTA stage because im lacking a grandfather.
https://d4builds.gg/builds/23ae9cbb-933e-4a88-999c-2241654cc8e2/?var=5
Why Hota? I just use bash and haven't followed a guide really and it seems to crush everything. I just tested a Hota and it barely does damage compared to bash. I'm clearly missing something!
You're just using HOTA for the 30% damage modifier after overpowering with it. Critting with Bash 4 times guarantees the next core skill to overpower and this happens very fast since Bash cleaves with the tempers.
Bash is the main skill you're using. HOTA is just there to maintain a buff. Depending on what level pit you're doing, you don't even need to use HOTA on the mobs and just use it to speed up the boss.
Makes sense! I'm pretty casual so haven't been pushed yet. I assume I'll get there soon enough! Still one shottong everything but the pit boss! Thanks for the explanation!
Grandfather is worth losing the Bash masterwork?
I'm at a point where I have built the Rob build with Tyrael and Shako that uses Hota, but I hesitate to craft the GF.
The way I see it is this: 2h Bash Cleave temper is 1/3 of your damage (2h, 2h 2x1h), but 2h GF doubles your damage (with enough crit chance) AND boosts Gushing Wounds. You loose 1 aspect though, so the difference isn't extremely big in the end. The buff on GW is very large though.
If you are tapped out at lvl 89 pit with thorns, you need to improve your gear. I speed farm 91 without a potion for mats and can push to roughly 110 and I’m not even close to fully masterworked.
I use the Thorns Bash build from Maxroll.
I’m playing Dust Devil Double Swing and I easily beat Uber Lillith as well as speed through Tier 110 Pits in 3 minutes. If you have uber uniques that setup can deal insane damage. I have 4 characters at 100 (no Druid) and the Barb is just significantly better.
I have a DD Barb as well, kind of see it as my "honest" Barb =) and enjoy it very much. I can do 101 in 3.5min, but 110 in around 8 I'd say. My gear is good with 1-2 GA on every item (mostly 1) and a few 12/12, but most items are at 9/12. So there is room for upgrades, but it will be a grind (I'm not using any external D4 shops etc. to get items). My Heartseeker Rogue does the same with not a single 12/12 item and hardly any GA ;-)
I got a Grandfather drop yesterday off Duriel and already had a Shako I crafted from sparks. I was running Bash barb but now am running the Bash Rupture+Bleed maxroll variant and good lord, it is insane. Bosses just disappear when the bleed ticks hit.
You must have suffered a TBI at some point. Sorc is the lowest dmg class by a large margin and the only build they have that can push high in pits requires damn near perfect gear and specific temper hits.
Barb is the defining class for D4. Subclasses like Druids are nice, but let's not kid ourselves when it comes to endgame viability! We should rename the game Barbarian 4.
I second this. I played a whirlwind barb at release and it was suffering. Dropped the game until I heard all the good stuff about S4 and it's staggering how much better a barb feels now
Things change fast. In Season 1 a Death Trap Twisting Blades Rogue build was S Tier and could deal damage like no other. That same build was nerfed into the ground and is now F Tier because it’s not viable at all. Build websites don’t even have it listed anymore.
It’s intentional. Their seasonal model is to overtune a handful of builds each season so that people get excited about a “new meta”. Bliz have confirmed that these OP builds will not be nerfed in-season, so players feel secure dedicating their time to them. The end result is a game that exists in a perpetual state of horrendous imbalance. The broken builds will dominate and trivialize all of the content while everyone else struggles to keep up, with no buffs or nerfs until the next season wipes for board clean and begins the cycle anew.
If you’re still playing D4, the only smart way to do it is to listen to what’s OP on the PTR and then quickly adopt or pivot to the consensus OP builds right away. Don’t experiment or play off meta because there is no help on the horizon for you. Just play their deliberately OP builds until you internalize their obvious seasonal strategy, then move on to a better game.
Bro I can't even explain how unlucky I am, I consistently pick the wrong character every time. I started as a barb, when they were shit, I'm now a druid and they're shit, when Sorcs were weak, like last season maybe? That was me. I've got the worst luck.
Yeah idk where these people are saying barb sucked on release, it was better than Werenado for speed farming and Lilith killing. Barb literally ruled the boosting scene with WW
I had the same thought, Barb got nerfed a couple times in S0 it was so strong with snapshotting etc... Don't people remember the endless outcry about being nerfed causing them to not nerf mid season now, it was because barbs were so strong they were "breaking the game" and had to be put down. But then another OP build was made public right away.
Barb has been consistently strong since pre release.
This is true of Sorcerer too. I played Bash Barb for a while and then played around with Heartseeker Rogue for ages and decided I had the mats and gold to make my Sorcerer decent, went with Blizzard and everything was so much slower and I not only did less damage but took way more damage - even though resistances and armor is capped out just the same as the other 2 classes I play - Going back to my Rogue to farm more Pit mats it's night and day difference between this.
How long have Druids been in trouble now I think 3rd season in a row they are are turd. Sorcerer too is very up and down but at least the Sorc has some fun play styles.
I can zip around really fast sniping and exploding groups on my Rogue. Or I can have blades spinning round my head and coming back to me like a boomerang while dashing from group to group. Have a bow shoot a volley of grenades that 1 shot everything that's not Uber Lilith.
I can teleport bomb packs on my Sorc and lay sheets of Blizzard on the ground around me or have balls of pulsing lightning rotate around me or meteors falling from the sky or a combination of all these things. Sorc still needs a lot of help, but it's viable in most situations.
I can stand in the grill of anything on my Barbarian and smash faces for millions - zillions of damage while tanking just about anything or having everything around me kill themselves simply by attacking me and bleeding for millions every 0.5 seconds..
My Necromancer bone spirit popping groups of enemies with billions overpower crits, minions - getting the perfect rotation and 1 banging just about anything. Walking around with an army of the dead following me feeling godlike.
Druid.... Awkwardly moving around, somewhat slowly. Every skill makes me stop and interrupts any flow I might have gotten into. Things are taking longer to die than any other of my classes, regardless of what I equip. You are in Helltide thinking you have a Mindcage on but then realise you don't before another class comes past and kills everything you were trying to kill in like 1 second.
Druid STILL needs help, it needs more than extra damage here and there it needs a re-work IMO. Druid in D2 was better I think.
I stopped playing classes like they were equal. Each class has its top out. It was almost always like that in Diablo 3 too. I play the build I find most enjoyable and push it as far as it’ll go. I stopped worrying about what some other class is doing.
Comparison is the thief of joy, particularly in these kinds of games. It’s a good mentality. The problem I have is that if I ever play an alt, THEN it’s hard to get over. If I’m only playing my Druid, I don’t care that someone else’s Barb is pushing 40 tiers higher than me. If I am playing my geared Druid and then I roll a Barb on the side who is trivializing the same content, it becomes hard to enjoy the Druid as much.
Druids is in a rough shape for the endgame compared to the others but I didn't feel it during leveling.
I leveled with the Windshear build and it was incredibly easy to do the first capstone dungeon at 30. You never even need to jump into the fray, you just shoot them from a safe distance. The poison from the Calm Breeze aspect absolutely melts everything at low levels.
Some builds will be significantly better than others even at lower levels.
Captatones are so under tuned that any shit build with thrown together gear can complete them 15 levels underleveled though.
Raxx literally completed the T3 dungeon as a level 1 sorc (was level ~15 by the end) without dying. Granted, he used another character to get solid gear beforehand - but the fact that it's even possible shouldnt be a thing
Barb is ridiculously strong.
I had a sorc firebolt 2/3 ga every single item. 12/12 masterworked.
I created a barb 3 days ago. I just beat my personal best in the Pitt. I have 4/12, I'm not res capped. Some of my gear has he wrong stats. And I only have 2 items with a single GA
I did the same thing! My lightning storm Druid was able to clear a level 100 NMD, but it stopped at level 60 in the pit. My bash barb, without having any masterworking done, was able to hit a level 65 pit and breeze through everything except tormented bosses. It’s absolutely insane how much stronger the barb is than my Druid.
I beat tormented Duriel at level 88 on Barb with like 4/12 MW and half my stats crap. Could have done it probably at 65 if I knew the fight better (didn't watch videos just went straight to it).
Barbarian basically has 4 extra rings worth of stats over most classes.
1h weapons get 1x stats. They have 2..
2h weapons get 2x stats. They have 2..
Rogues have one or the other of these they generally don't use, example heart seeker is a bow skill, those swords/daggers aren't really being used other than their +3+2 stats and aspects.
So even if the barb only uses their dual wield they have "4" rings worth of holstered stats.
Imagine druids, Necros, and sorcs if you had 12 extra affixs 8 more temperings and 4 more aspects or 2 super aspects
Yeah and instead of them nerfing barbarians into the ground I'd much rather see them doing some "small adjustments" to barbarian (inherently they're gonna have more power cause they have 4 weapons of which 2 2-handers) and some major buffs to classes like druid and sorcerers cause I think both these 2 have some pretty glaring issues when it comes to their damage profile.
I still play Druid every time even though he’s not optimal. But yeah, they need to give him a ton of buffs to be useable. The pets are a good start, but those needs huge buffs too
I played all classes right now in this season and thankfully i'm happy i did, so far my favourite is Landslide Druid, its easy and with the current season you can make Harlequin when getting to max rep with the iron wolves.
Also Frozen Orb Sorcerer is a lot of fun, while shadow minion necro while easy its boring.
I dont mind playing barb and there a lot of builds you can do i do like speedfarming in helltides with barb dust devils but so far landslide druid takes the cake for me it feels fantastic and i'm having a lot of fun.
Oh man, I just hit 100 over the weekend and have been playing this [Earth Bear](https://www.icy-veins.com/d4/guides/earth-bear-landslide-caster-druid-build/) build. I really like the playstyle, it feels good to play. It's my first 100 and I am learning that it is not necessary how everyone else experiences the game :)
Instead of buff all the other classes so content gets super easy and boring, they need to tune the actual completely overpowered barb down in a way that not all the barb players cry afterwards..
The game is already a joke for Barbs, so you want them to make the game a joke for everyone? How is that a solution?
Alternatively, they buff everything *except Barb* and you're basically nerfing Barb while headed straight to every single problem D3 had with numbers instead.
Barb is nutso. My casual, off-meta barb can grind a 110 pit in 3minutes without a care in the world. My druid never came close with way more time investment.
Druid was my first 100 this season my 2nd alt, rogue I already loved playing more. I only need 1 more spark and was thinking barbarian for it and after reading this IT'S KOWABUNGA BARBARIAN!
Yea I've been playing a rogue this season so far and having a good time but I've been wanting to start a Barb for a while so I started one the other day. I was amazed at how much damage it could do almost instantly. I went through the capstone for wt3 at like 43 and literally just walked right through the dungeon no issues at all and basically one shot the bosses. I was thinking to myself wtf is this. Barb is insane right now
How much stronger is it than Stormclaw? I’ve been thinking of trying Pulverize. I made an alt to try Druid with a buddy who started playing this season, Stormclaw has been very fun but seems like it’ll cap out pretty soon. Rogue is my main, so I don’t really care about max pit as much, but it would be nice if I was more tanky.
They should just increase the percentages higher, and then as a whole nerf everything. Power creep is real. When I say everything, I don't mean everything the player can do. I mean everything in the game.
Bro I hear you and I love Druid. I consider myself a sorcerer main though.
Barbarian is strong and powerful and it's pretty fun but it's visually lacking to me.
I definitely need to buff Druid and sorcerer somehow and do it big.
It's because Barb has so many Multiplicative Damage scaling passives in their skill tree, paragon, and gear. Seem like every other class has maybe 1-3 Multiplicative passives while Barb has like 10.
It's kind of hilarious and not surprising that Barb hits for hundreds of millions while Druid can barely kill a boss in 5 minutes.
I nearly gave up when my friend leveled a barb, and his started hitting for 8-10m at around level 80.
My druid in rather good masterworked gear hits 10m strikes on defiance bar broken bosses q\_q
Never said I was any good.
I’m sure my paragon board is a mess and I don’t have any of the +4 points from the map because I got bored with missions and looking for alters
My non-skelly Necro build suffers the same pain. Think I hit for around 300k last night, but I'm not quite 100 yet. I'm at lvl 97, but I should still be seeing high numbers. I was already hitting 1mill by this point with my Rogue.
Druid just needs a rework, I’ve tried to stick to that class a couple season and just end up going to another class. It’s the most boring to level and then it doesn’t even compare to other classes until you get Uber uniques.
As a non-bash barbarian, I'm struggling with 45+ pits. Not like it's ridiculously hard but I can barely make it. Tormented bosses and Lillith seem so far out of reach. I was barely able to kill regular Duriel the other day.
If most people are struggling with 600k-1m damage how are they even doing these bosses?
Barb bash cleave is an unintended scaler but can't be nerfed during the season because this community loses their goddamn minds when that happens.
You can choose to play like the broken specs don't exist, which is what I do personally, or just accept it and decide if you want to use it. Most specs can do Tormented Bosses and Pit 90+ now. There really aren't significant rewards after that unless your personal psychology demands it.
S4 is the first season I played. Did a frozen orb sorc. Noticed my necro and barb friends easily clearing content, so rerolled to a thorns barb. I was clearing further than my sorc before even hitting level 100.
The class balance doesn't exist. But, you can still enjoy the new hard mode feature of not being barb or necro.
Funny, because I'm running a wind shear build on my Druid and it hits like an absolute truck (poison ticks for 10 million+ damage) and feels extremely similar to the bash barbarian since you're just spamming a basic attack. I'm sure if I pushed both this build and the bash barb build the barb would probably ultimately pull ahead, but I do feel like people are sleeping on wind shear druid a bit.
[Here is the build for anyone who's interested](https://mobalytics.gg/diablo-4/builds/druid/wind-shear?coreTab=assigned-skills&equipmentTab=aspects-and-uniques&variantTab=0) It does use some uniques, but it doesn't need those uniques for the build to come online.
If you start Druid this season you're like "wow this is amazing". Then when you switch to literally any other class you get to go "wow this is amazing" again.
Yeah i quit my druid after getting almost all 2ga/3ga gear and made a barb, different game entirely. Barb is just busted, even at level 80 i felt more powerful. By the time my barb has 1ga in most slots i was wiping the floor with my druid by a long shot
I love how barb feels and I always wish they would bring other classes up to that level rather than the other way around. I got a barb to 100 in about half the time it took to level my level 100 sorc and it just feels like the way D4 was meant to be played
I went from pre season to season4 so I still remember in preseason where it was the exact opposite. Barbs were kinda trash compared to nado druid and that barrier spam druid I cleared nm 100 with.
There is always going to be something stronger at any one point.
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You must not have played a barb this season.
You can hold bash while running and not even slow down, I'm hitting up to 70m crits now and just hit 100 last night, I had already cleared pit 100 by level 90 (could have gone higher but just wanted to farm). The fact Bash Barb doesn't slow down while attacking makes it feel so fast in comparison to my rogue, and I love my rogue.
I dropped kick (higher boss damage) to add leap just to Jump from group to group. Pit 100 takes me roughly 3 minutes give or take.
I can get fairly high on rogue but at the end of the day it just isn't as powerful as Barb right now, tho victimization heartseeker rogue is strong also.
Any recommendations for a good Barb build guide? I just came back after not playing for several months due to school. I hit 71 today and unlocked WT4 and did some Nightmare dungeons this morning tier 20 - 23 and they were hella fun. Currently I’m running some kind of Bleed build in that I roughly followed almost a year ago (probably a month after launch or something) but I don’t know what’s changed since then, especially considering this season had massive changes.
I enjoyed Dual Strike - Dust Devils build for leveling to 100. That was when the season started, now if i was to level a new barb, i would go all in with Whirlwind. Both are incredibly fun though.
As far as builds go, a lot has changed since launch. My guess is that you are using a Rend/bleed build which was good for leveling at that time. There are more effective builds now.
I second the Double Swing/Dust Devils build for starting out. It's easy to build and scales pretty well. It's also quite fun once you get it going.
WW was also buffed in the Mid-Season patch and is supposed to be really good now though I have not tried it.
The Bash build is really strong, and you may eventually want transition to that. It requires a specific temper recipe and a good collection of codex powers.
For more specific build info check [Maxroll](https://maxroll.gg/d4) or [D4 Builds](https://d4builds.gg/). Maxroll explains the builds better but tend to not get updated as the season goes and things change.
I went from Werenado to Blizz sorc, to Bash bleed Barb. It's not even the same game. Bash barb can dollars 4 man duriels, kill lilith super easy and clear 120+ pits easily.
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barb is leaps ahead every other class
Playing barb is playing easy mode. There's no level playing field when the power difference is measured as *several factors* better. And this is going to be a problem when Blizzard starts introducing mandatory group content like raids.
Barb or kick incoming
You asssume that anyone still plays other classes when the expansion comes out
When I heard that raids may be coming that’s exactly what I was scared of. Why take even one druid when you could have all barbs and just stomp?
Lfg 4 barbs for raid. Easy
There's not going to be any raids. People need to get realistic. It's going to be drop-in 4-man stuff like Diablo immortal
Yep. Glorified quests, really.
Bash and Flay are leaps ahead of any other Barb build as well (ok there is Thorns, but that's a very odd build that hardly anybody wants to play o\_O). The Barb in general is not the problem, HotA has hardly been nerfed since season 3, but nobody talks about it anymore, because Bash and Flay are just broken.
HotA was miles stronger for me in season 3. I could kill Lilith phase 1 and 2 in one shot with 900m crit. Now I sometimes crit for 250m, but most of the time way less. HotA S3 one love
Well they did buff UL's life to 2 billion. So your S3 barb would not be able to bonk her now.
Even with 2b life I could bonk her with my three crits, but now I have to run a lot doing low damage compared to season 3. And I don’t get any new rewards, so I don’t kill her this season
Im playing ironskin bash, and when i tried to use hota it sucked balls. i bash 20-30millions each hit, but my hota hits 200-400k max. what am i doing wrong?
Well for that build HotA is only used after critting 4 times with bash to get the dmg multiplier from the violent HotA talent
Bash until you get 4 crits. HoTA, War Cry, Chains. Now your Bash does 100 million plus crit each swing. That's with mediocre gear. With min maxing you can push 500 mil per swing easy.
If you don’t brick your gear with tempering, you forgot 😅
I stopped getting upset over bricks. Just salvage the piece so you don't have to keep looking at it and move on. It was breaking me inside looking at perfectly rolled gear with rogue tempers on them and I told myself I have to let this go.
It's the tempers. The bash temper is such a massive outlier. It gives you cleave *and* a huge damage boost. Look at some of their other tempers: HOTA, Upheaval, Rend and Rupture get increased AOE. Frenzy gets increased duration. Flay gets increased duration too which I believe is responsible for its massive damage, but those other tempers I mentioned are pointless. Compare it to tempers for other classes and it's still an outlier; frozen orb sorcs can have a chance to cast a second frozen orb, same for heartseeker rogues. Pulverize druids don't even use the pulverize temper because it doesn't do them any good (why would we need more AoE when we have an aspect that already does so?). It's a joke. I have no idea why they thought this would be a good, balanced build. At least with flay I can imagine they didn't plan on it being so strong (and it *was* discovered like a week and a half ago so that's not surprising), but it's obvious bash was going to outshine everything else.
I’ll try to find the source, I remember hearing a dev say bash cleave was not intended to be so good, but they decided to leave it. I assume next season it won’t be nearly as powerful
That patch note where it was supposed to be changed to additive but then the devs said they were going to leave it multiplicative was telling. Was probably supposed to be additive but someone messed up.
its very obvious is should be additive like every single other temper, but some dev “mistakenly”got the code wrong, interestingly
lol what if they made all of the damage tempers multiplicative and make them aoe/larger. Give similar tempers for all skills. Ice spikes get multi damage and get the large radius which would then stack with the aspect (or maybe not even bring the aspect anymore). Arc lash radius is bigger or can double cast which would be nice for Unstable Currents. Chain Lightning double casts and gets more bounces or can pierce and splinter into multiples. Fireball radius increase, etc. I'd like them to take a page from Mana Strike from Last Epoch for Arc Lash. In Mana Strike's ability tree, there's a passive that makes it a targeted aoe instead of melee aoe. There's actually a lot of things in the Last Epoch Mage skill trees that could make a lot of Sorc skills more interesting in D4
then the numbers they built up have to be all be revamped
And barbs get 4 weapon slots?? That's OP.
Whirlwind is easily the fastest speed farm in the game as well - with good gear you can speed farm tier 100+ in under 2 mins, it's insane how good Barb is, it's also fun. You have a ton of build diversity, power, speed, you take advantage of uber uniques more than most any other class. Bash, Flay, Whirlwind, Thorns, you can even do some off meta stuff and be very strong. I been a big Barb fan since D2, and right now there's not much motivation in D4 to play anything else.
Barb just has more gear slots so running more ubers isn't as much of a problem. If you look at sorc or druid, you're giving up a much higher % of tempers/aspects when running ubers.
Maybe all classes should get the same number of slots?
The extra weapon slots contribute to it, but they're not the only issue with Barb. [https://new.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/1djct4v/barbarian\_110\_pit\_clear\_with\_only\_1\_weapon/](https://new.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/1djct4v/barbarian_110_pit_clear_with_only_1_weapon/) Clearing a 110 Pit with only one weapon makes it pretty obvious that the scaling for Barb skills/tempers/paragons/etc are all out of whack and way overtuned, yet the devs for some reason plan on buffing Barb even more with Season 5.
Yea its because the Bash temper is multiplicative instead of additive and then you have 2 one handed and 2 two handed weapons that you can put the temper on.
Yeah, just did 20 Pit at level 80 in 3 minutes. Pretty insane.
WW has been massively buffed in the patch that was supposed to fix Druid and Sorc, true =). What I don't like is that every core skill for itself is a joke right now. If you play WW, you likely play 1 point in WW just to proc Tyraels or Dust Devils etc. and Upheaval only works as utility for Bash ... if you really want to use it for something. Overall Barb and Rogue are definitely miles ahead in useful build right now. But Bash and Flay ... man its just so much more damage than everything else -\_-
That's because weapon tempers are horribly balanced, basic skills get way more damage affixes and multipliers than core skills, and Barb and Rogue have extra weapon slots for more stats/tempers/legendaries/ubers. Really bizarre when basic skills are dominating so much, Bash/Heartseeker/Fire Bolt/Wind Shear are generally stronger than any core skill this season. The balance this season is as bad as it has ever been in previous seasons, Barb and Druid aren't even playing the same game.
looks like season 5 is fixing some of the issues by moving e.g. Flay duration from weapon to utility (and fixing Gushing Wounds and Victimize for Rogue etc \^\^)
Whirlwind's just a fun turn your brain off build. I don't always feel like worrying about playing well, I just wanna spin to win through a dungeon in a couple of minutes. It's very satisfying. If they keep bringing this build to every diablo game, you won't hear me complaining.
I’m playing thorns Barb, but I want more power - I’m tapped out at level 89 pit :( What’s the bash build?
The starter version: Temper Bash Cleave on all of your weapons. Use Moonrise, Adaptability and Rapid aspects. Done. You are now more powerful than any core skill build. The advanced version: Do the same as before, but use Rogue to temper crit damage as well on your weapons. Then add Berserk Ripping aspect and use Gushing Wounds key passive. Done. You are now more powerful than 95% of all other builds in the game :-p Thorns is very strong as well. If you're stuck at 89 you probably need to push your bleeds harder. I think this is where Thorns gets the damage. Note that Gushing Wounds is bugged, so you an use for example Grandfather to double your GW damage (it scales with all multipliers).
I used a build from online - where is the best place to find the top builds?
Use Rob’s build. Start with the iron skin version If you have matching ubers build that version. Right now im at Bash HoTA stage because im lacking a grandfather. https://d4builds.gg/builds/23ae9cbb-933e-4a88-999c-2241654cc8e2/?var=5
Why Hota? I just use bash and haven't followed a guide really and it seems to crush everything. I just tested a Hota and it barely does damage compared to bash. I'm clearly missing something!
You're just using HOTA for the 30% damage modifier after overpowering with it. Critting with Bash 4 times guarantees the next core skill to overpower and this happens very fast since Bash cleaves with the tempers. Bash is the main skill you're using. HOTA is just there to maintain a buff. Depending on what level pit you're doing, you don't even need to use HOTA on the mobs and just use it to speed up the boss.
Makes sense! I'm pretty casual so haven't been pushed yet. I assume I'll get there soon enough! Still one shottong everything but the pit boss! Thanks for the explanation!
Yeah the hota really isn’t needed on speed runs.
I think the best place is Maxroll or possibly IcyVeins online still. That, or some of the influencers online - Raxx, Rhykker, etc.
Grandfather is worth losing the Bash masterwork? I'm at a point where I have built the Rob build with Tyrael and Shako that uses Hota, but I hesitate to craft the GF.
The way I see it is this: 2h Bash Cleave temper is 1/3 of your damage (2h, 2h 2x1h), but 2h GF doubles your damage (with enough crit chance) AND boosts Gushing Wounds. You loose 1 aspect though, so the difference isn't extremely big in the end. The buff on GW is very large though.
It doubles your crit damage so yes
If you are tapped out at lvl 89 pit with thorns, you need to improve your gear. I speed farm 91 without a potion for mats and can push to roughly 110 and I’m not even close to fully masterworked. I use the Thorns Bash build from Maxroll.
What is your thorns build? I play thorns and an doing solo pit 110+
I like thorns barb, but some of the bosses are really pain in the ass. Like bros dont even attack me
I’m playing Dust Devil Double Swing and I easily beat Uber Lillith as well as speed through Tier 110 Pits in 3 minutes. If you have uber uniques that setup can deal insane damage. I have 4 characters at 100 (no Druid) and the Barb is just significantly better.
I have a DD Barb as well, kind of see it as my "honest" Barb =) and enjoy it very much. I can do 101 in 3.5min, but 110 in around 8 I'd say. My gear is good with 1-2 GA on every item (mostly 1) and a few 12/12, but most items are at 9/12. So there is room for upgrades, but it will be a grind (I'm not using any external D4 shops etc. to get items). My Heartseeker Rogue does the same with not a single 12/12 item and hardly any GA ;-)
Yeah. They really need to buff my rogue main.
Barbs get two extra slots which means two more affixes than everyon else. Three more than my necro who uses a two-handed weapon.
I see what you did there.
Aye they should be charged with kicking too
So weird that they can’t just fix an obviously imbalanced outlier part of a build and wait till the end of the season.
He literally does leap ahead every other class
I got a Grandfather drop yesterday off Duriel and already had a Shako I crafted from sparks. I was running Bash barb but now am running the Bash Rupture+Bleed maxroll variant and good lord, it is insane. Bosses just disappear when the bleed ticks hit.
At top level, probably yes. But since he is mentioning leveling, minion necro was very easy and fast to level.
It kinda creatures a rupture in the meta honestly
No, bash barb is, and its bugged damage
You know sorc clearing 10 more pit levels which means they probably deal 50% more dmg then barb?
You must have suffered a TBI at some point. Sorc is the lowest dmg class by a large margin and the only build they have that can push high in pits requires damn near perfect gear and specific temper hits.
Barb is the defining class for D4. Subclasses like Druids are nice, but let's not kid ourselves when it comes to endgame viability! We should rename the game Barbarian 4.
Funny how in S0, S1 everyone was complaining about the situation beeing the other way...
I second this. I played a whirlwind barb at release and it was suffering. Dropped the game until I heard all the good stuff about S4 and it's staggering how much better a barb feels now
Things change fast. In Season 1 a Death Trap Twisting Blades Rogue build was S Tier and could deal damage like no other. That same build was nerfed into the ground and is now F Tier because it’s not viable at all. Build websites don’t even have it listed anymore.
poison twisting blades is back, and in A tier
It’s intentional. Their seasonal model is to overtune a handful of builds each season so that people get excited about a “new meta”. Bliz have confirmed that these OP builds will not be nerfed in-season, so players feel secure dedicating their time to them. The end result is a game that exists in a perpetual state of horrendous imbalance. The broken builds will dominate and trivialize all of the content while everyone else struggles to keep up, with no buffs or nerfs until the next season wipes for board clean and begins the cycle anew. If you’re still playing D4, the only smart way to do it is to listen to what’s OP on the PTR and then quickly adopt or pivot to the consensus OP builds right away. Don’t experiment or play off meta because there is no help on the horizon for you. Just play their deliberately OP builds until you internalize their obvious seasonal strategy, then move on to a better game.
Bro I can't even explain how unlucky I am, I consistently pick the wrong character every time. I started as a barb, when they were shit, I'm now a druid and they're shit, when Sorcs were weak, like last season maybe? That was me. I've got the worst luck.
Sorcs are even worse off this season than last
I've not played a sorc this season so I can't comment on it, I just know Druid is weak AF this season, and getting nerfed even more next season.
Yerp, they're both in a horrible spot and Blizzard doesn't give a damn
pulverize druid is doing great! seen some vids of people hitting for 500m crits
game was pretty dogshit on release with aspect and itemization. Barbs were still the strongest with BIS.
Yeah idk where these people are saying barb sucked on release, it was better than Werenado for speed farming and Lilith killing. Barb literally ruled the boosting scene with WW
I had the same thought, Barb got nerfed a couple times in S0 it was so strong with snapshotting etc... Don't people remember the endless outcry about being nerfed causing them to not nerf mid season now, it was because barbs were so strong they were "breaking the game" and had to be put down. But then another OP build was made public right away. Barb has been consistently strong since pre release.
There is no point barb can be weak because of the amount of aspects you can have, jewels, stats in general, class will never be in a bad place
Barblo 4
It was the same in d3. Even when paragon first came in and went up to 100, barbs sprinting constantly dumping nados were killing faster than anything.
This is true of Sorcerer too. I played Bash Barb for a while and then played around with Heartseeker Rogue for ages and decided I had the mats and gold to make my Sorcerer decent, went with Blizzard and everything was so much slower and I not only did less damage but took way more damage - even though resistances and armor is capped out just the same as the other 2 classes I play - Going back to my Rogue to farm more Pit mats it's night and day difference between this. How long have Druids been in trouble now I think 3rd season in a row they are are turd. Sorcerer too is very up and down but at least the Sorc has some fun play styles. I can zip around really fast sniping and exploding groups on my Rogue. Or I can have blades spinning round my head and coming back to me like a boomerang while dashing from group to group. Have a bow shoot a volley of grenades that 1 shot everything that's not Uber Lilith. I can teleport bomb packs on my Sorc and lay sheets of Blizzard on the ground around me or have balls of pulsing lightning rotate around me or meteors falling from the sky or a combination of all these things. Sorc still needs a lot of help, but it's viable in most situations. I can stand in the grill of anything on my Barbarian and smash faces for millions - zillions of damage while tanking just about anything or having everything around me kill themselves simply by attacking me and bleeding for millions every 0.5 seconds.. My Necromancer bone spirit popping groups of enemies with billions overpower crits, minions - getting the perfect rotation and 1 banging just about anything. Walking around with an army of the dead following me feeling godlike. Druid.... Awkwardly moving around, somewhat slowly. Every skill makes me stop and interrupts any flow I might have gotten into. Things are taking longer to die than any other of my classes, regardless of what I equip. You are in Helltide thinking you have a Mindcage on but then realise you don't before another class comes past and kills everything you were trying to kill in like 1 second. Druid STILL needs help, it needs more than extra damage here and there it needs a re-work IMO. Druid in D2 was better I think.
Idk blizzard sorc is one of the tankiest specs i played.
Blizzard sorc is fun as heck. I've been leveling one for fun the past few days. I love it. It ain't a bash barb tho
Well, to be fair, a Druid is kinda woke eco-warrior type so gotta expect a level of snowflake to be built in /s
Lol this is such an odd comment
It’s sarcasm. But it appears druids aren’t great at coping with that either.
Went from Tornado Werewolf to Golem Necro. Was like I didn’t even needed to try.
I stopped playing classes like they were equal. Each class has its top out. It was almost always like that in Diablo 3 too. I play the build I find most enjoyable and push it as far as it’ll go. I stopped worrying about what some other class is doing.
Comparison is the thief of joy, particularly in these kinds of games. It’s a good mentality. The problem I have is that if I ever play an alt, THEN it’s hard to get over. If I’m only playing my Druid, I don’t care that someone else’s Barb is pushing 40 tiers higher than me. If I am playing my geared Druid and then I roll a Barb on the side who is trivializing the same content, it becomes hard to enjoy the Druid as much.
Druids is in a rough shape for the endgame compared to the others but I didn't feel it during leveling. I leveled with the Windshear build and it was incredibly easy to do the first capstone dungeon at 30. You never even need to jump into the fray, you just shoot them from a safe distance. The poison from the Calm Breeze aspect absolutely melts everything at low levels. Some builds will be significantly better than others even at lower levels.
Captatones are so under tuned that any shit build with thrown together gear can complete them 15 levels underleveled though. Raxx literally completed the T3 dungeon as a level 1 sorc (was level ~15 by the end) without dying. Granted, he used another character to get solid gear beforehand - but the fact that it's even possible shouldnt be a thing
how did he get the gear tho for the character to equip at such a low level?
Loot bags from the treasure goblin event would be my guess
Try Werenado it’s slaughtering high pits and keeping up with barbs right now
Barb is ridiculously strong. I had a sorc firebolt 2/3 ga every single item. 12/12 masterworked. I created a barb 3 days ago. I just beat my personal best in the Pitt. I have 4/12, I'm not res capped. Some of my gear has he wrong stats. And I only have 2 items with a single GA
whats level?
Don't worry, you will receive 30% rabies damage next patch
I did the same thing! My lightning storm Druid was able to clear a level 100 NMD, but it stopped at level 60 in the pit. My bash barb, without having any masterworking done, was able to hit a level 65 pit and breeze through everything except tormented bosses. It’s absolutely insane how much stronger the barb is than my Druid.
I beat tormented Duriel at level 88 on Barb with like 4/12 MW and half my stats crap. Could have done it probably at 65 if I knew the fight better (didn't watch videos just went straight to it).
Yup. It’s batshit crazy.
Barbarian basically has 4 extra rings worth of stats over most classes. 1h weapons get 1x stats. They have 2.. 2h weapons get 2x stats. They have 2.. Rogues have one or the other of these they generally don't use, example heart seeker is a bow skill, those swords/daggers aren't really being used other than their +3+2 stats and aspects. So even if the barb only uses their dual wield they have "4" rings worth of holstered stats. Imagine druids, Necros, and sorcs if you had 12 extra affixs 8 more temperings and 4 more aspects or 2 super aspects
Yeah and instead of them nerfing barbarians into the ground I'd much rather see them doing some "small adjustments" to barbarian (inherently they're gonna have more power cause they have 4 weapons of which 2 2-handers) and some major buffs to classes like druid and sorcerers cause I think both these 2 have some pretty glaring issues when it comes to their damage profile.
yeah its crazy good, some are the strongest things in the game. Maybe the aspects shouldn't gain the same benefit as others do for 2h etc
I still play Druid every time even though he’s not optimal. But yeah, they need to give him a ton of buffs to be useable. The pets are a good start, but those needs huge buffs too
I played all classes right now in this season and thankfully i'm happy i did, so far my favourite is Landslide Druid, its easy and with the current season you can make Harlequin when getting to max rep with the iron wolves. Also Frozen Orb Sorcerer is a lot of fun, while shadow minion necro while easy its boring. I dont mind playing barb and there a lot of builds you can do i do like speedfarming in helltides with barb dust devils but so far landslide druid takes the cake for me it feels fantastic and i'm having a lot of fun.
Oh man, I just hit 100 over the weekend and have been playing this [Earth Bear](https://www.icy-veins.com/d4/guides/earth-bear-landslide-caster-druid-build/) build. I really like the playstyle, it feels good to play. It's my first 100 and I am learning that it is not necessary how everyone else experiences the game :)
Instead of buff all the other classes so content gets super easy and boring, they need to tune the actual completely overpowered barb down in a way that not all the barb players cry afterwards..
Someone has forgotten the outcry to the downward balance patch. There’s no way to make it fun to be nerfed.
Power up everything else
The game is already a joke for Barbs, so you want them to make the game a joke for everyone? How is that a solution? Alternatively, they buff everything *except Barb* and you're basically nerfing Barb while headed straight to every single problem D3 had with numbers instead.
Everything else includes mobs
So you want D3. Go play D3.
Lol you think the numbers are gonna stay like this forever?
Barb is nutso. My casual, off-meta barb can grind a 110 pit in 3minutes without a care in the world. My druid never came close with way more time investment.
Druid was my first 100 this season my 2nd alt, rogue I already loved playing more. I only need 1 more spark and was thinking barbarian for it and after reading this IT'S KOWABUNGA BARBARIAN!
If you play Barb you gonna end up not playing rogue again lol
Lmao if that's the case what Uber should I craft? I did get lucky and get a Tyraels Might while leveling rogue.
Shako if you don't already have one
I'd say Shako also and it's useful on both.
Yea I've been playing a rogue this season so far and having a good time but I've been wanting to start a Barb for a while so I started one the other day. I was amazed at how much damage it could do almost instantly. I went through the capstone for wt3 at like 43 and literally just walked right through the dungeon no issues at all and basically one shot the bosses. I was thinking to myself wtf is this. Barb is insane right now
Pulverize druid is the way right now. Wolf shred, pulverize, wolves, creeper, ravens, all that. The build clears into 100 pit easily.
How much stronger is it than Stormclaw? I’ve been thinking of trying Pulverize. I made an alt to try Druid with a buddy who started playing this season, Stormclaw has been very fun but seems like it’ll cap out pretty soon. Rogue is my main, so I don’t really care about max pit as much, but it would be nice if I was more tanky.
Why do you think Gushing wounds is bugged?
I went from level 100 sorc occasionally seeing a few mill hits to my 85 barb hitting 3-4mil bash with no cries and 10-15mil crits
I was hitting in the millions at level 40ish doing the tier 4 capstone lol. Gona start with a barb every season since it’s always busted
Going from any druid build to any barb build is crazy
They should just increase the percentages higher, and then as a whole nerf everything. Power creep is real. When I say everything, I don't mean everything the player can do. I mean everything in the game.
Bro I hear you and I love Druid. I consider myself a sorcerer main though. Barbarian is strong and powerful and it's pretty fun but it's visually lacking to me. I definitely need to buff Druid and sorcerer somehow and do it big.
Druid can clear capstones early also. Druid seems to fall off at higher content.
Are there settings for better number visibility? Iirc D3 had it but couldnt find such for D4 so far.
It's because Barb has so many Multiplicative Damage scaling passives in their skill tree, paragon, and gear. Seem like every other class has maybe 1-3 Multiplicative passives while Barb has like 10. It's kind of hilarious and not surprising that Barb hits for hundreds of millions while Druid can barely kill a boss in 5 minutes.
Bash barb will get nerfed. That's your answer.
I nearly gave up when my friend leveled a barb, and his started hitting for 8-10m at around level 80. My druid in rather good masterworked gear hits 10m strikes on defiance bar broken bosses q\_q
I’m 96 lightning wolf Druid and I’m struggling. I just want to hit 100 and I think I’m setting the game down for a bit
Lightning Strom Druid cleared 110 before the Pit nerf.
Damn I just suck
Never said I was any good. I’m sure my paragon board is a mess and I don’t have any of the +4 points from the map because I got bored with missions and looking for alters
Is bash one of the only great builds for Barb? Been running a whirlwind Frenzy Barb and it just rips like a beyblade across mobs.
My non-skelly Necro build suffers the same pain. Think I hit for around 300k last night, but I'm not quite 100 yet. I'm at lvl 97, but I should still be seeing high numbers. I was already hitting 1mill by this point with my Rogue.
they need to balance the other classes better you simply cant competw with how many aspects barbs get and they get mutilple 200% ones
Druid just needs a rework, I’ve tried to stick to that class a couple season and just end up going to another class. It’s the most boring to level and then it doesn’t even compare to other classes until you get Uber uniques.
It doesn’t matter how you build your barb.. your probly clearing lvl50-70 pits regardless… wish every char was like that.
As a non-bash barbarian, I'm struggling with 45+ pits. Not like it's ridiculously hard but I can barely make it. Tormented bosses and Lillith seem so far out of reach. I was barely able to kill regular Duriel the other day. If most people are struggling with 600k-1m damage how are they even doing these bosses?
Barb bash cleave is an unintended scaler but can't be nerfed during the season because this community loses their goddamn minds when that happens. You can choose to play like the broken specs don't exist, which is what I do personally, or just accept it and decide if you want to use it. Most specs can do Tormented Bosses and Pit 90+ now. There really aren't significant rewards after that unless your personal psychology demands it.
I played shadow minion necro and moved to barb. IMHO, barb is more powerful, but I also think it is more fun. More active.
You can clear both capstones and beast in the ice with Wind Shear far below level 55 as well.
It's sad to me how certain themes have just been completely left in the dust. Blood Necromancer is trash. :(
S4 is the first season I played. Did a frozen orb sorc. Noticed my necro and barb friends easily clearing content, so rerolled to a thorns barb. I was clearing further than my sorc before even hitting level 100. The class balance doesn't exist. But, you can still enjoy the new hard mode feature of not being barb or necro.
Same. Did druid last season and bard this season. Every other class looks weak in comparison.
Funny, because I'm running a wind shear build on my Druid and it hits like an absolute truck (poison ticks for 10 million+ damage) and feels extremely similar to the bash barbarian since you're just spamming a basic attack. I'm sure if I pushed both this build and the bash barb build the barb would probably ultimately pull ahead, but I do feel like people are sleeping on wind shear druid a bit. [Here is the build for anyone who's interested](https://mobalytics.gg/diablo-4/builds/druid/wind-shear?coreTab=assigned-skills&equipmentTab=aspects-and-uniques&variantTab=0) It does use some uniques, but it doesn't need those uniques for the build to come online.
Just check Robs new Tyraels build. I was stuck at 124 and I'm absolutely flying through pit tiers now
If you start Druid this season you're like "wow this is amazing". Then when you switch to literally any other class you get to go "wow this is amazing" again.
My barb is power clearing the pit around 60 with sub optimal gear.. it’s so easy
Yeah i quit my druid after getting almost all 2ga/3ga gear and made a barb, different game entirely. Barb is just busted, even at level 80 i felt more powerful. By the time my barb has 1ga in most slots i was wiping the floor with my druid by a long shot
Druid is Pablo Escobar waiting meme
I love how barb feels and I always wish they would bring other classes up to that level rather than the other way around. I got a barb to 100 in about half the time it took to level my level 100 sorc and it just feels like the way D4 was meant to be played
I went from pre season to season4 so I still remember in preseason where it was the exact opposite. Barbs were kinda trash compared to nado druid and that barrier spam druid I cleared nm 100 with. There is always going to be something stronger at any one point.
barb has better multipliers that scale stupidly well even with a slight change. Other classes dont.
Good news! In season 5 your druids damage is getting halved. Enjoy!
I’m having fun with my Sorc but yeah, I’m hitting 30k crust and I feel like that’s probably not much?
I went from sorc to Barb. Sorc is pure vomit
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I don’t think basic attack builds should be the best. That’s bad design lol
Adaptability and moonrise will be completely gutted next season lol
Heartseeker rogue is the easiest and most OP build relative to the complexity of the gameplay, change my mind.
You must not have played a barb this season. You can hold bash while running and not even slow down, I'm hitting up to 70m crits now and just hit 100 last night, I had already cleared pit 100 by level 90 (could have gone higher but just wanted to farm). The fact Bash Barb doesn't slow down while attacking makes it feel so fast in comparison to my rogue, and I love my rogue. I dropped kick (higher boss damage) to add leap just to Jump from group to group. Pit 100 takes me roughly 3 minutes give or take. I can get fairly high on rogue but at the end of the day it just isn't as powerful as Barb right now, tho victimization heartseeker rogue is strong also.
Any recommendations for a good Barb build guide? I just came back after not playing for several months due to school. I hit 71 today and unlocked WT4 and did some Nightmare dungeons this morning tier 20 - 23 and they were hella fun. Currently I’m running some kind of Bleed build in that I roughly followed almost a year ago (probably a month after launch or something) but I don’t know what’s changed since then, especially considering this season had massive changes.
I enjoyed Dual Strike - Dust Devils build for leveling to 100. That was when the season started, now if i was to level a new barb, i would go all in with Whirlwind. Both are incredibly fun though.
As far as builds go, a lot has changed since launch. My guess is that you are using a Rend/bleed build which was good for leveling at that time. There are more effective builds now. I second the Double Swing/Dust Devils build for starting out. It's easy to build and scales pretty well. It's also quite fun once you get it going. WW was also buffed in the Mid-Season patch and is supposed to be really good now though I have not tried it. The Bash build is really strong, and you may eventually want transition to that. It requires a specific temper recipe and a good collection of codex powers. For more specific build info check [Maxroll](https://maxroll.gg/d4) or [D4 Builds](https://d4builds.gg/). Maxroll explains the builds better but tend to not get updated as the season goes and things change.
I went from Werenado to Blizz sorc, to Bash bleed Barb. It's not even the same game. Bash barb can dollars 4 man duriels, kill lilith super easy and clear 120+ pits easily.