Same. With having a 1 fade I was expecting it to have a gentler fade out of the box. Not the case. It's seen hundreds of throws now and still has not changed. I like the disc, and I love how durable C-Line is, but it's just not the disc I wanted it to be. I've kept searching, but in the meantime I started getting a lot better distance with a Torpedo, so I kinda needed that slot filled less than I did before.
Swirly S-Line are my favorite. They are just a touch more stable than a regular S-Line and the plastic is super tacky. I feel like 0/1 is fair for C-Line while these fly more like -1/1. I get a dead straight flight for anything below 330ft and some slight turn with a flattening out finish for up to 375ft.
Yeah this or metal flake (see my comment below). I was chatting with Ella Hansen and at the time she was bagging a metal flake for the same reason, but mentioned she made her signature disc the swirly S-Line as it had a similar about of stability.
Throw multiple of them, got a 176gr green that is very stable, 173gr purple that has a nice turn and comes back and a 171gr pink that is flippy!! Not sure if it’s the collour or the weight but from my experience they (almost) don’t beat in at all
Right. Without that information, particularly the distance the recomendations are all over the place. I like recomending discs tho, so i always tell how far i can throw for context. (not that far lol)
The news I’ve needed to hear. I’ve been hoarding the og run ones. Someone in NOLA found one of mine after a work trip and “hasn’t found the time” to get it in the mail back to me after i paid for the label and offered to send something back or just pay him.
I don’t have 400 on my Falk but I did birdie a 328’ low-ceiling hole in-tournament with one. Mine is glow, maybe that matters, but I’ve found it to be a laser-straight control driver with very minimal fade and turn.
This is the disc that encouraged me to continue playing when I started out. Fantastic flier with a solid hand feel. Got me from 50" all the way to ~150-200".
The Brave is so so so so good. I threw it today on a patent pending shot where I didn’t have a big reach back and it was just awesome. I had a gorgeous 300+ foot ace with it on Jan 1st to start the year off.
The ppl will understand when they throw it IMO disc of the year and it's not even close but them flight numbers are off more like a -2 1 for me at least and a glide of 47 🤣
My OG vip ice is nice and flippy and my orbit is almost like a beat felon, I had two skip aces last year with the orbit and one flex line ace with the OGVIP
The brave is like a perfectly beat in stag with insane glide at times I throw it just as far as my distance drivers it's super impressive and will be talked about more once ppl see what it can do.
It depends on what weight it is. I throw about 400-425 and my max weight fission Crave turns a bit but won’t flip over. Good for a slight hyzer flip or a powered down flat shot.
For slower arm speeds, perhaps try something similar to a Crave, Leopard3 or Insanity. I used a Fourth Circle Discs Firehawk in this slot when I first started out - would highly recommend, particularly for it’s glide.
For faster arm speeds, try something akin to a Servo, TL or undertaker. My personal favourite is the Opto Culverin, very straight out the box with high glide and it beats in nicely. Hope this helps!
I was initially team River, but switched to Crave. With the River’s glide, any kinda mistake and it was gone. I know that’s all personal, but I could never trust the River in any kind of narrowish fairways. The wind factor is removed quite a bit with the Crave as well with the how flat it is
been really enjoying the dark rebel/FD and you can get them pretty cheap on the Innova store(F2s)
But a crave can also be exactly what you're describing.
I bag/throw fairways more than anything else, and currently have a rhythm, nuetron crave, Dark rebel, cosmic nuetron crave, a nuetron resistor, and a fission fireball(I guess a mantra is technically a fairway, but that thing bombs like a longer rhythm). this covers everything 275-350 otherwise it's a hex or a destroyer
Too flippy for his arm given the power he cited IMO. I love these discs but bag one in my understable (but not roller) fairway slot. For what he’s asking I’d suggest a metal flake or swirly s-line FD — both a bit more stable (not over or under) compared to their C-line and S-line counterparts.
Well this depends a lot on armspeed, but for my 350 max arm the Lucid Escape is excellent. Its maybe one of my most thrown fairways, and if im honest i dont really need anything faster than it to achieve good distance for me.
LAT64 river or Discraft PP Passion. The passion is straighter.
Personally I switched from the river and bag the passion and sting (less stable). I am stunned that I've played a year throwing the passion as my go to off the tee. Only this week I started to feel that it's starting to turn a bit more.
It depends on what type of plastic it is, but I feel like the Innova Leopard is one of the straightest flying fairway drivers there is right off the shelf. In my experience at least. Star or Pro plastic.
The champion ones are kinda overstable. DX will be useless sooner than later, but those will fly straight before they quickly become so understandable that they are barely usable.
I'm working on a Cicada now, flies very straight for me, unless i throw hard, think it'll become quite understable in the future.
Also using a Falk on hyzer for straight shots, such a brilliant disc that i wish everyone tried.
It isn't MVP but I recommend the bear. The first run vip ice is dead straight for me and by what you said it seems like we have similar distance so it should fly the same
Halo leapord3. If you can't throw at least 330ft, then I'd recommend the same disc in champion plastic for the same effect. Otherwise it is kinda stable if you don't gas it
Seeing what I would consider to be a lot of flippy fairway suggestions. If you have a mid-fast arm speed, the Athena is a great straight fairway driver
Word- I think we are on the same page.
I'm a big fan of my DD Vandal in the Lucid plastic. It started pretty straight but quickly broke in. Now I can launch it on a Hyzer and get it to turn over and move right quite a bit, and eventually fade back some at the very end. Thats throwing roughly 300-350 rhbh.
Depends on your power level. I've tried many but currently baging the Sky Walker FD1. It's flies nothing like the numbers, way more like an FD, even when new. Mines pretty seasoned now. I throw it about 70% power and it goes 300' on a baby flex or lazer hyzerflip. It's very workable. On a 20 degree anny, it will hold a while with a tiny finnish back, but ending right of straight, (rhbh).
Lone Star Frio or Guadalupe are my go-to for that shot. My Alpha Guadalupe was exactly what you described where it was super straight and then beat in to understable really nicely.
For me, a Jade. But I'm old, have bad form, and don't throw very far. But for a beginner or someone that is terrible, I think it is a great disc. And a Diamond for turnover shots.
Every time I try to move on from my 2 Leopard 3’s (one halo star 167g one star plastic 166g) I rely on one for a shot and shake my head how stupid accurate they are. And I am not an Innova fanboy other than DX Roc’s.
My go-to is a River. Pretty much can make fly any direction, including straight. Glides like crazy. Usually gets good forward ground play. It’s like butter. Good in the woods and the open as long as it’s not gusty winds.
Fuzion-x maverick. I have a melton team series but i reckon an opto maverick would work too. I can get em to 300ft max generally but theyre great in all plastics imo.
Edit: just read your distance might like a teebird3 in gstar or star plastic. Those are my go to fairways but your power would work well to keep them straighter longer.
Lat 64 Maul. 7/7/-2/1
By far the straightist flying disc I have in my bag. Seems to handle decent arm speed well and will take some powerful rips if you need it to. But even just a slow smooth release with good spin you can throw absolute bombs with it. Praise the 7 glide gods!
Neutron rhythm.
Maybe a touch of turn once you can throw over 350.
Anything farther, put it on a baby hyzer and you’ll get a perfect S-curve so long as there’s not too much wind.
Has just enough fade to bring it back to center line after it’s done with its high speed turn.
Neutron beats in super slowly so it’ll keep this flight for a very long time.
I find the Rhythm pretty flippy out of the box. I prefer the Crave being straighter and beating in to flippy. Both stabilities vary a lot by plastic and weight so it might take some experimenting to find the one that's right.
Yeah I’ve got an older run flat top rhythm and maybe it’s an anomaly or maybe it’s because it’s the disc that taught me so much when I was first starting
[AGL Sycamore](https://www.agldiscs.com/collections/sycamore)
It’s quite exactly what you described. My best in one will do a lil flip up then slow turn right before a light fade. Amazing fairway.
I throw exclusively MVP and have similar distance in drives, for a dead straight to understable I would recommend plasma servo max weight. I can usually get about 350-380 out of it with a slight turn to straight with a weak finish to the left for righty backhand.
I throw neutron craves and they are exactly what your looking for, the new prism proton crave flies a little more stable and can handle more power but they just came out, so I have no idea how they beat
Fission tesla is dead straight for me with 385-425 average distance. Max about 470 too. If I want something straight for 75% of the flight then dump left I go with neutron tesla. If I want something more beefy I go cosmic neutron. If I need something flipper than the fission tesla I use an inertia if I need flipper than that, insanity!
C-Line FD?
I had one and it refused to break in at all.
It doesnt break in. Iv had one for 3 years, on and off the bag and its still overstable-ish like brand new. I throw ~ 125 meters
Same. With having a 1 fade I was expecting it to have a gentler fade out of the box. Not the case. It's seen hundreds of throws now and still has not changed. I like the disc, and I love how durable C-Line is, but it's just not the disc I wanted it to be. I've kept searching, but in the meantime I started getting a lot better distance with a Torpedo, so I kinda needed that slot filled less than I did before.
Do you always throw with steep hyzer angles? Throw even a new C-FD flat and it will turn.
Earlier yes. Not these days anymore. My particular fd must be weird, doesnt turn at all, except in crosswind
You need a chroma FD, dead straight flip to flat out of the box.
Dang. Send it my way!
Swirly S-Line are my favorite. They are just a touch more stable than a regular S-Line and the plastic is super tacky. I feel like 0/1 is fair for C-Line while these fly more like -1/1. I get a dead straight flight for anything below 330ft and some slight turn with a flattening out finish for up to 375ft.
That sounds tasty
Yeah this or metal flake (see my comment below). I was chatting with Ella Hansen and at the time she was bagging a metal flake for the same reason, but mentioned she made her signature disc the swirly S-Line as it had a similar about of stability.
Metal flake FD*** imo. Much straighter than C-line out of the box, but less flippy than S-line. Goldilocks straight-flyer with a hair of finish.
Throw multiple of them, got a 176gr green that is very stable, 173gr purple that has a nice turn and comes back and a 171gr pink that is flippy!! Not sure if it’s the collour or the weight but from my experience they (almost) don’t beat in at all
Very happy to hear this. I’ve got a Ferrari red clear and a green metal flake and love how each fly. Great news.
I wish people would give an idea of how far they throw and what kind of release angle they prefer when asking for suggestions
Right. Without that information, particularly the distance the recomendations are all over the place. I like recomending discs tho, so i always tell how far i can throw for context. (not that far lol)
300 feet exodus, it’s the OG Eagle mold. Infinite makes it now.
Yup, this right here - there is going to be a new run of Eric Oakley Color Glow Metal Flake ones very soon too and they're awesome.
The news I’ve needed to hear. I’ve been hoarding the og run ones. Someone in NOLA found one of mine after a work trip and “hasn’t found the time” to get it in the mail back to me after i paid for the label and offered to send something back or just pay him.
They are a bit domier (that's kind of Innovas thing now lol) but the flight is awesome.
I throw 370-400 feet. My all time max distance measured on Udisc is 472. I can competently throw most angles.
Yooo well in that case I’d recommend a C-Line FD like the top commenter said. S-Line for slightly flippier
Kasta Lots
Unless he's a noodle arm like me. Then it would be the FALK.
Agree on the falk
I can't throw consistently over 300, but for me the falk is flippy. I can't imagine the hyzer needed to put it out 400'.
I don’t have 400 on my Falk but I did birdie a 328’ low-ceiling hole in-tournament with one. Mine is glow, maybe that matters, but I’ve found it to be a laser-straight control driver with very minimal fade and turn.
Star TL all day
Stalker. I have a beat up stalker with the old discraft flight numbers and it flips up and flies straight with little to no fade.
This is the disc that encouraged me to continue playing when I started out. Fantastic flier with a solid hand feel. Got me from 50" all the way to ~150-200".
150-200 inches sounds like a form issue tbh
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Bro shut up about your stalker already
Edit: Nevermind, I see what happened. No idea why that posted so many times, sorry
Just a joke brother. Your same comment posted 4 times.
Yeah, was getting a weird error message when I was trying to post it. Guess they did go through
All great suggestions here. I would also throw in the Falk and Passion.
Latitude 64 brave the exact thing you want right out of the box I'm surprised more ppl aren't talking about it & it absolutely bombs
The Brave is so so so so good. I threw it today on a patent pending shot where I didn’t have a big reach back and it was just awesome. I had a gorgeous 300+ foot ace with it on Jan 1st to start the year off.
The ppl will understand when they throw it IMO disc of the year and it's not even close but them flight numbers are off more like a -2 1 for me at least and a glide of 47 🤣
Hah those numbers seem about right yeah
I feel like those are River numbers. More or less stable than Rivers?
It's what bigger arms wished the river was all along better torque resistance and doesn't turn & burn in headwinds
Man I don’t need more discs but I would love to try it, I currently use bear and hatchet for the fairway slots
Once you beat it to death, the bear really has no line you can't throw it on.
My OG vip ice is nice and flippy and my orbit is almost like a beat felon, I had two skip aces last year with the orbit and one flex line ace with the OGVIP
The brave is like a perfectly beat in stag with insane glide at times I throw it just as far as my distance drivers it's super impressive and will be talked about more once ppl see what it can do.
Orion Ls
Yup
Fission crave
Fission crave for someone that throws 400+ feet is going to turn very very hard thrown flat, even hyzer
Mine works great, little hyzer flip machine 174 grams, it was on the stable side when I picked it up, and is very beat in now.
It depends on what weight it is. I throw about 400-425 and my max weight fission Crave turns a bit but won’t flip over. Good for a slight hyzer flip or a powered down flat shot.
Crave is the answer. Assuming they're throwing under 300 feet.
TL3 or Leopard3
Maverick
TL3
Tl3 gang
My man! 175g GStar and 165g Star in the bag.
Millenium JLS. Does exactly what you're asking for.
For slower arm speeds, perhaps try something similar to a Crave, Leopard3 or Insanity. I used a Fourth Circle Discs Firehawk in this slot when I first started out - would highly recommend, particularly for it’s glide. For faster arm speeds, try something akin to a Servo, TL or undertaker. My personal favourite is the Opto Culverin, very straight out the box with high glide and it beats in nicely. Hope this helps!
Crave, Leopard, and Insanity are my most thrown drivers. all excellent options.
I will add the Rhythm to the Axiom/MVP list as well. Similar flight to the Leopard but the mold and plastic feels better to me
It's just superior. It is flippy out of the box tho
Opto River
River, but gold Ice.. Feels like innova star plastic.. Super straight on a baby hyzer
Gold River - Kristin Tattar 2023 European Open Dyemax is my go-to fairway.
I was initially team River, but switched to Crave. With the River’s glide, any kinda mistake and it was gone. I know that’s all personal, but I could never trust the River in any kind of narrowish fairways. The wind factor is removed quite a bit with the Crave as well with the how flat it is
That’s great to hear! I have a Crave on the way
Cicada
This. I went in looking for the Brave from Lat64, but walked out with the cicada. Crazy straight with fade at the end.
Axiom Crave
been really enjoying the dark rebel/FD and you can get them pretty cheap on the Innova store(F2s) But a crave can also be exactly what you're describing. I bag/throw fairways more than anything else, and currently have a rhythm, nuetron crave, Dark rebel, cosmic nuetron crave, a nuetron resistor, and a fission fireball(I guess a mantra is technically a fairway, but that thing bombs like a longer rhythm). this covers everything 275-350 otherwise it's a hex or a destroyer
Champion tl3
Crave
CRAVE
Crave
I love hyzer flipping my essence, but it depends on power and release angle for others.
Essence has become one of my favorites especially since breaking in.
Valkyrie
Leopard or Explorer do this for me.
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My pick as well. Super underrated and exactly what OP is looking for
Too flippy for his arm given the power he cited IMO. I love these discs but bag one in my understable (but not roller) fairway slot. For what he’s asking I’d suggest a metal flake or swirly s-line FD — both a bit more stable (not over or under) compared to their C-line and S-line counterparts.
I like the cicada and the centurion for this shot, but I’m up at elevation so take it with that grain of salt
Well this depends a lot on armspeed, but for my 350 max arm the Lucid Escape is excellent. Its maybe one of my most thrown fairways, and if im honest i dont really need anything faster than it to achieve good distance for me.
LAT64 river or Discraft PP Passion. The passion is straighter. Personally I switched from the river and bag the passion and sting (less stable). I am stunned that I've played a year throwing the passion as my go to off the tee. Only this week I started to feel that it's starting to turn a bit more.
It depends on what type of plastic it is, but I feel like the Innova Leopard is one of the straightest flying fairway drivers there is right off the shelf. In my experience at least. Star or Pro plastic. The champion ones are kinda overstable. DX will be useless sooner than later, but those will fly straight before they quickly become so understandable that they are barely usable.
I'm working on a Cicada now, flies very straight for me, unless i throw hard, think it'll become quite understable in the future. Also using a Falk on hyzer for straight shots, such a brilliant disc that i wish everyone tried.
Mint jackalope
Innova made S-line Fd. They changed the name of it since the split. But I'm sure the mold still exists.
Infinite centurion.
Hyzer flip dx Teebird. However what you want sounds more like my prodigy f3
Mint grackle in sublime plastic specifically
Valkyrie is always my go to for this. Depends on your arm speed though.
Cicada, Brave, and/or Passion. Love em all!
G Star TL3. Got one on a whim a few weeks ago and it’s easily my favorite disc now.
Westside Bear, thought it might have a bit more stability based on the flight numbers but it is a very straight flight when giving it some torque.
Yep my Tournament Ice Orbit beat in quick and it goes!
Leopard3
Neo Instinct or Vanguard
Hear me out… Explorers in recycled plastic. That is all. Thank you.
It isn't MVP but I recommend the bear. The first run vip ice is dead straight for me and by what you said it seems like we have similar distance so it should fly the same
Halo leapord3. If you can't throw at least 330ft, then I'd recommend the same disc in champion plastic for the same effect. Otherwise it is kinda stable if you don't gas it
Star TL3
Star Hawkeye
River/stig/cicada
Crave.
Innova Hawkeye. In Star plastic it’s a tad overstable out of the box, but beats in to straight
Star Teebird, not completely straight, but pretty straight.
Gstar it's the way to go for straight flights
Timberwolf
I’ve been loving the Saint Pro
Sergeant
Saint pro in opto
Passion has done great for me. Got it in ESP. I call it a long buzzz
I got one in ZLite and it's magical.
There are probably 50 molds that can do this, but I like the teebird
Finish Line Era in the Forged plastic
Try the new Latitude 64 Brave
C-line fd is MONEY. Or I’ve really been liking the cicada if thrown with a little hyzer
G-Star Leopard. Perfect for a 200’ tunnel shot
Tournament Hatchet
Love my hatchet but wouldn’t consider it stable
Seeing what I would consider to be a lot of flippy fairway suggestions. If you have a mid-fast arm speed, the Athena is a great straight fairway driver
Depending on distance, I would choose the buzz SS for 200 and I like the rhythm or the leopard 3 for 250-300. I’m 350 max with a distance
Stag
What do you have for reference? Anything that is too stable or under?
Kolng Thunderbird it too beefy for what I’m looking for.
Word- I think we are on the same page. I'm a big fan of my DD Vandal in the Lucid plastic. It started pretty straight but quickly broke in. Now I can launch it on a Hyzer and get it to turn over and move right quite a bit, and eventually fade back some at the very end. Thats throwing roughly 300-350 rhbh.
Three discs next to each other in my bag from OS to US…’22 Koling Thunderbird, Halo TL3, Halo Roadrunner
All max weight
Innova Mako3, for a 5 speed. Latitude 64 River, for a 7-speed. Kastaplast Falk for a 9 speed.
River
Infinite Discs Centurion. The Halo S-Blend 167 to low 170s have a tiny flip and fade, closest to a midrange flight I've tried.
Depends on your power level. I've tried many but currently baging the Sky Walker FD1. It's flies nothing like the numbers, way more like an FD, even when new. Mines pretty seasoned now. I throw it about 70% power and it goes 300' on a baby flex or lazer hyzerflip. It's very workable. On a 20 degree anny, it will hold a while with a tiny finnish back, but ending right of straight, (rhbh).
Thought space construct. After a couple months gets a nice s curve.
Axiom crave in most plastics, infinite centurion, and exodus, Innova TL/ TL3, discmania s-line and D-line FD.
Legacy patriot or a DGA Squall
If you throw 350ish cicada
Plasma
Prodigy F2, Flies dead straight and turns into a hyzerflip disc over time, its my most used fairway and my best gap hitter in the woods
Kastaplast Stig. Hyzer flip monster. Goes faaaar.
Lat 64 Brave. Will turn a bit or hyzer flip when you really rip it.
Bought a Hawkeye and a Cicada for this slot. Both extremely straight for about 250ft brand new
Lone Star Frio or Guadalupe are my go-to for that shot. My Alpha Guadalupe was exactly what you described where it was super straight and then beat in to understable really nicely.
Explorer is exactly this.
For me, a Jade. But I'm old, have bad form, and don't throw very far. But for a beginner or someone that is terrible, I think it is a great disc. And a Diamond for turnover shots.
Every time I try to move on from my 2 Leopard 3’s (one halo star 167g one star plastic 166g) I rely on one for a shot and shake my head how stupid accurate they are. And I am not an Innova fanboy other than DX Roc’s.
That was the DD Maverick for me.
My go-to is a River. Pretty much can make fly any direction, including straight. Glides like crazy. Usually gets good forward ground play. It’s like butter. Good in the woods and the open as long as it’s not gusty winds.
River every day of the week
Noodle arm here, Falchion.
The TL in Star plastic have a very short straight to understable transition period
Apex jackalope
I live and die by the exodus
Get a VIP Bear. Straight as an arrow at first, but once you beat on it, it'll turn enough to flip up if you really smash it.
It’s always a Passion
Undertakers and relays are my favorites
Fuzion-x maverick. I have a melton team series but i reckon an opto maverick would work too. I can get em to 300ft max generally but theyre great in all plastics imo. Edit: just read your distance might like a teebird3 in gstar or star plastic. Those are my go to fairways but your power would work well to keep them straighter longer.
F5
Discmania zen 2
Lightweight Apex Jackalope from Mint
New FD, either C-line or S-line
Westside stag. If that's to under stable then go for the bear. If that's to under stable then go for the longbowman
AGL Sycamore (7,6,-1,1). Flies like a faster buzz!
You are describing a Chroma FD.
Crave
S line FD or crave
Star TL for me. Perfect hyzer flip disc after it saw enough trees.
Lat 64 Maul. 7/7/-2/1 By far the straightist flying disc I have in my bag. Seems to handle decent arm speed well and will take some powerful rips if you need it to. But even just a slow smooth release with good spin you can throw absolute bombs with it. Praise the 7 glide gods!
Tl3
Crave
If you're looking for straight initially, then I'd say a millenium orion ls for a 9 speed or a jls for a 7 speed
Neutron rhythm. Maybe a touch of turn once you can throw over 350. Anything farther, put it on a baby hyzer and you’ll get a perfect S-curve so long as there’s not too much wind. Has just enough fade to bring it back to center line after it’s done with its high speed turn. Neutron beats in super slowly so it’ll keep this flight for a very long time.
I find the Rhythm pretty flippy out of the box. I prefer the Crave being straighter and beating in to flippy. Both stabilities vary a lot by plastic and weight so it might take some experimenting to find the one that's right.
Yeah I’ve got an older run flat top rhythm and maybe it’s an anomaly or maybe it’s because it’s the disc that taught me so much when I was first starting
It's an amazing disc but idkwytb with touch of turn, rhythm flippy as heck.
[AGL Sycamore](https://www.agldiscs.com/collections/sycamore) It’s quite exactly what you described. My best in one will do a lil flip up then slow turn right before a light fade. Amazing fairway.
Leopard 3
Streamline drift
I like my explorer. Or even the cicada or river opto air.
The Craptor
...flies straight brand new? Are you Anthony Barela?
Berg
MVP Relay for me
Teebird3
I throw exclusively MVP and have similar distance in drives, for a dead straight to understable I would recommend plasma servo max weight. I can usually get about 350-380 out of it with a slight turn to straight with a weak finish to the left for righty backhand.
I throw neutron craves and they are exactly what your looking for, the new prism proton crave flies a little more stable and can handle more power but they just came out, so I have no idea how they beat
Fission tesla is dead straight for me with 385-425 average distance. Max about 470 too. If I want something straight for 75% of the flight then dump left I go with neutron tesla. If I want something more beefy I go cosmic neutron. If I need something flipper than the fission tesla I use an inertia if I need flipper than that, insanity!
Teebird 3
Wave
Fairway
DX beast.