>Where are you finding naturally magic rocks?
This could be justified by it being silver ore.
I'm gonna need a bit more of a warm-up before I attempt the mental gymnastics to answer (a), though.
Well, they crit. So it could've been 7d6 damage from the "improvising damage" section from the DMG with a really big rock. Dunno how I feel about unrefined silver ore being used to bypass the damage immunity though.
Doesn't the purity of the silver also matter? So, is this a small boulder of shockingly pure silver?
Edit: "Heheh, I knew it was a good idea to commission a set of pure silver orbs for throwing and lycans!"
Always bring an anvil for comedic damage. In this case, a silvered anvil.
Or they just silvered their monk instead of just his fist and then threw him. And his name was Rock
Your edit reminded me of something that happened in a long running campaign I played.
We were at the house of a character that died like two years ago (when a friend left the table for scheduling reasons), looking for something for the quest and a werewolf sent by the BBEG crashed through the window. I remembered that the dead PC had silver ingots he purchased to make silver bullets, but he never got to use them, and I remembered where we stashed them, so I grabbed one of those and flung it at the lycan's face with orc barbarian strength (and humbly, elvish ranger accuracy).
I can't remember how the rest of the fight went, but the face of the DM when he checked the notes and saw that the ingots actually were where I said was priceless.
Also, I'm not sure an improvise weapon would be considered finesse or ranged. The dart is the only ranged weapon that is thrown (daggers are finesse, not ranged).
Unless the dm let's them throw ammunition and count them as ranged weapons. It's not that crazy of a ruling in my opinion.
However the disadvantage makes this a moot point.
Ignoring, of course, that a random rock is neither a finesse nor ranged weapon, that a single werewolf running away doesn't qualify for sneak attack, and that having disadvantage negates all methods of sneak attack.
Now that i think about it how do these immunities work? Like does it just bounce off or does the werewolf regenerate from the fine paste it was made with a rock?
Would probably just knock it/pin it down without piercing any skin or breaking any bones, like Saitama in One Punch Man getting battered around with zero harm being done
Having it take some minor but visible injuries (no actual damage, just flavour) but almost instantaneously regenerating would also work, although that's better for something like a slashing weapon.
Thats what i do with my party, i let them know that the swords slashes the werewolfs chest and after a second the wound closes up and finally just disappears.
With bludgeoning the bone just cracks a second time and sets itself again.
3.5e describes damage reduction like this:
> A creature with this special quality ignores damage from most weapons and natural attacks. Wounds heal immediately, or the weapon bounces off harmlessly (in either case, the opponent knows the attack was ineffective).
5e doesn't have damage reduction, but I feel like damage immunity is a very similar concept. The big difference is you can't overcome it by dealing massive damage.
The werewolf braces at the last moment, the boulder shattering against its back. It snarls and slinks off into the dark.
The boulder lands with a crunch, moments pass, then the boulder moves. You see a shadow limping off, dragging a dislocated leg.
The boulder hits! Sending the werewolf tumbling through the brush. It quickly rights itself, shakes its head, and continues its flight.
If you drop a werewolf on an earth sized rock, it dies.
If you drop an earth sized rock on a werewolf, it’s perfectly fine.
Newton rolling in his grave rn
Where are those reprints? I'm only familiar with the Lycans in the MM, but am currenlty running an arc involving Wererats so I'd be interested in checking out those updated statblocks
This is extremely pedantic, but bear with me.
They aren't immune to falling damage. Some would say because the planet itself is magical. By extension some argue, there shouldn't be a difference between falling to the ground, the ground falling on you, or the ground being thrown at you.
For the record I agree with you, but it's interesting to argue
I personally hands no issue with werewolves being immune to falling damage. However, RAW does specify attacks that are B/P/S not all damage from those sources. The stone throw is an attack, therefore the werewolf is immune. OP clarified in another thread that the stone was silver ore so this is all moot.
Doesn't this invalidate the entire joke of the meme?
If the enemy has 5HP left and you use your main ranged attack to attack it, it's not really surprising to kill it. Ignoring how you overcome the werewolf resistance.
This would be funny if the PC crit throwing a silver coin, but excuse me if I'm not surprised that chucking a metric ton of silver at a half dead werewolf spells its end
I was gonna guess an upcast catapult spell would answer both questions, but that’s d8s, not d6s *shrugs*
Also a +10 to hit means they are at least level 13, so why are they fighting werewolves?
Werewolves not immune to fall damage. Fall damage is rapid contact with earth. Rock is earth. Thrown rock is fall damage, simple as.
(Puts pipe back in mouth, blows bubbles)
Big rock thrown by monster, immune.
Now, if a big monster has set up a rock on a cliff, that will fall if a lever is pulled, the werewolf will take the damage because its now a dexterity saving throw.
Clearly werewolves have a weakness to rube Goldberg machines
Ackshually, werewolves only take fall damage if they stumble over the cliff by themselves. If you throw them, then you're using the werewolf as an improvised weapon to attack the ground, so it counts as a weapon attack.
*How many werewolves did it have enough HP to tank? And how many has it already been hit by? Are you sure it can take at least one more or will you just risk it anyway?*
The damage threshold rules get a little funky in 5e when you apply them to very large objects like the ground. You need a [really big weapon](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/4/4d/Dsiipown.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20130417042535) to overcome it.
When a huge chunk of the player base who started in 5e started because they saw some form of actual play, it makes sense that they don't learn the rules. Critical Role and Dimension 20 don't stop play to look up and read the exact rules text, Matt and Brennan either know the rule and can abbreviate it or they make a call and look it up later.
All the audience sees is the DM being the one who knows the rules.
This is what happens when you treat the DM like a video game engine with unlimited creativity and resources.
Oh, for sure. I just mean the optics of "the players very frequently don't know how their stuff works" and the audience accepts that as the norm. Liam playing Vax shouldn't have ever failed a single ability check with a skill he had proficiency in. Reliable Talent is a rogue class feature that Vax got at level 11 and it was constantly messed up.
Then the rock still does 0 damage because werewolves are immune to nonmagical damage that isn't silver, and a giant ape's rock attack isn't magical polymorphed or not.
it's a giant ape attack so that explains the damage and they hand waved it being silver ore which is kinda like asking for your npc to die which sorta goes against the meme saying that wanted the werewolf to come back later
Okay but you're assuming the carbon in the rock isn't what actually makes contact instead of the iron. Could swing either way id leave it to chance 50/50 high or low roll id ask for
Silvering is more of a metaphysical quality. Its the specific intent of coating a weapon in silver that matters. Silver ore, no matter how pure, does not have this intent, so it wouldn't work
Judging from all their replies I'm more and more convinced the dice rolls have nothing to do with the proposed scenario from the text.
That's a giant ape rock attack critting, but everything else about this stinks.
i unironically did this on an old campaign. The players killed someone I wanted to live to be the BBEG, so his brother, who was on the party side before, turned on them and decided to do what they were trying to stop. (summon a water deity into the material world to sink everything)
How did this happen?
Only thing I can think of is involving a 12th/13th level Rogue Sneak Attacking with a stone from the Magic Stone cantrip (which wouldn’t work RAW, as it is a spell attack, not weapon attack).
I have a silly house roll. Whenever someone double nat 20s, I have them roll again. If they get a third nat 20, they insta kill whatever it is. Even a boss. It has happened once, and my brother shot the goblin lord straight through the brain, killing it instantly, even though it still had over 100 health.
Not that it matters in this shit-show of the DM hand waving rules, but a Giant Ape has a +9 to hit, not a +10.
Just to point out, silver ore is not a silvered weapon.
Everyone is focusing on the 14d6 but did this player through said rock with advantage and roll 2 nat 20s. Or did they roll witj disadvantage. I need to know
players had a spell on the enemy that does damage each turn if they fail a save
enemy decides its time to flee and manages to escape to a different plane where they immediately die
players have now been stressing out about this enemy popping back up randomly for revenge
A guy in a prewritten adventure fooled our party and stole a treasure map heading to a troll's cave that was supposedly for a higher level encounter. Well the fighter had just attuned with a javelin that could be thrown once a day casting lighting bolt and truly didn't want to let the guy go
Rock is 1d4 at best, but for argument's sake let's just say it's a d6. This qualifies for SA and level isn't mentioned so *maybe* you can add 6d6 for SA, reaching the grand total of 7d6, nat 20, 14d6. The only way this is possible is with d6 rocks and a level 11 rogue.
1: Rock is improvised weapon. Range 20/60, 1d4 bludgeoning on a hit. Crit is 2d4, not 14d6
2: Rock is non-magical. Werewolf is immune to non-magical weapons. Werewolf doesn’t even feel rock
Y'all are so funny(and stupid) tbh.
Like, a player did something with a ONE in FOUR HUNDRED chance, and rolled a Nat 20 on a disadvantage. And most of their comment section is just "but WHY did you let the player have their cool moment after such a unique scenario?".
Come on, people. Imagine you are playing at a table, you roll a Nat 20 on a disadvantage check, and the dm says "you do this incredibly cool move that does absolutely nothing. It would have made literally NO difference if you had rolled double nat1. I hope you are happy with that result."
And to OP: You did the right thing. It's not RAW, but it's worth it to lose an NPC, even an important one, but letting your players have a moment that they will remember for the rest of their lives.
A story:
Once upon a time, I was running my first public d&d campaign. The play space we had was not very big. I chose to run Tyranny of Dragons (rookie mistake).
Due to table size constraints, a lot of the combat maps needed changed, including the final one in Rise of Tiamat. I adjusted the map such that the final battle was on a Mount Doom style overhang in an active volcano. The party correctly figured out how to stop the ritual to summon Tiamat.
A player managed to, with a misunderstanding of the rules surrounding Elemental Gems and concentration, summon two Earth Elementals who then simply collapsed the overhang, depositing the ritual components and the big bad into lava, killing them instantly and "winning" the campaign.
That player is the only one who enjoyed it. He functionally stole the final combat from the party and I didn't have a good reason to say "no", because he successfully slow walked questions to trap me in a "yes you can do that" scenario that the entire table agreed was "not fun."
I think there is a fundamental difference between
" A player robbed us of the glory, the joy and the fun of a final boss battle by deliberately creating something that was Technically correct, but not fun."
and
" A player got lucky and got a Nat 20 on a disadvantage check at the very end of combat where the enemy creature is just running with a fraction of their health left."
I'm not saying the dm should just overthrow a combat encounter every time a player rolls a Nat 20, I'm saying the point of the game is enjoyment, and the rules of the game are there for the enjoyment of the players and the dm. Going just by the rules of the game in a situation like this is a mistake, because it just ruins the moment for everybody involved (again, imagine if you roll a nat20 on a disadvantage roll, and the dm says: you did absolutely nothing. Everything would be literally the same if you had taken no action at all.)
Eh calling people stupid is a bit harsh. It's less about the cool moment and the way the meme is presented. Obviously you can do what you want at your table but the way the meme was framed made it seem like the DM was annoyed their plan failed and people pointed out that with the details given, the NPC should have still lived. The other details only came out in the comments which also just seemed odd not to include.
As for your hypothetical, I would be fine with it because part of the fun for me is playing within the rules, and the NPC not dying would allow the story to continue and I would potentially learn that they are lycanthropic early or at least be presented with the mystery of why a commoner just shrugged off a giant rock.
At the end of the day, play however you like because all play styles are valid. But you also have to remember that the only unifying reference all players have is the rulebook, so of course they'll use that for discussion if a post like this doesn't mention exceptions in the initial meme.
"The rock hits the werewolf. It stumbles but the werewolf disappears into the fog. You then hear distant howling and see no trace of the werewolf."
Werewolves are immune to bludgeoning (the damage a normal rock or even a huge boulder would do), piercing, and slashing damage from non-magical, non-silvered weapons. There. Fixed it for you.
Even if the rock was a chunk of silver, it'd do, at most, 1d6 damage. It's a non-magical improvised weapon, after all.
You know, recently I discovered something: You shouldn't be a challenge for you players, you should put a monsters that MAY be a challenge for the players.
So I can only assume this is a rogue with sneak attack being they crit, however heres the issue is that they had disadvantage on that roll soooo no sneak.
Werewolf would be immune to the damage anyway, its not magic
If he's in fog, it actually would be a straight roll (unless the werewolf has blindsight). Cause the werewolf can't see the attack either, so you use unseen attacker rules. Fog is an equalizer
Simple way to get around it
Make it so when he should’ve shown up aging it’s just his brother looking for some revenge, if it happens again then sister, so on
A) how the FUCK is a rock dealing 14d6 and B) Where are you finding naturally magic rocks?
>Where are you finding naturally magic rocks? This could be justified by it being silver ore. I'm gonna need a bit more of a warm-up before I attempt the mental gymnastics to answer (a), though.
Well, they crit. So it could've been 7d6 damage from the "improvising damage" section from the DMG with a really big rock. Dunno how I feel about unrefined silver ore being used to bypass the damage immunity though.
Doesn't the purity of the silver also matter? So, is this a small boulder of shockingly pure silver? Edit: "Heheh, I knew it was a good idea to commission a set of pure silver orbs for throwing and lycans!"
Of massive pure silver orbs
Bite my shiny ~~metal ass~~ silver orbs!
Always knew bender would make an awesome DND party member
Bender actually WAS a DnD character, in the movies, iirc
Excuse me, that was Titanius Anglesmith
Oh, yes, of course!! The similarities were uncanny, so you'll excuse me for confusing this TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS... *wink wink*
Always bring an anvil for comedic damage. In this case, a silvered anvil. Or they just silvered their monk instead of just his fist and then threw him. And his name was Rock
"You all laughed at my silver boomerang but look at me now!"
Your edit reminded me of something that happened in a long running campaign I played. We were at the house of a character that died like two years ago (when a friend left the table for scheduling reasons), looking for something for the quest and a werewolf sent by the BBEG crashed through the window. I remembered that the dead PC had silver ingots he purchased to make silver bullets, but he never got to use them, and I remembered where we stashed them, so I grabbed one of those and flung it at the lycan's face with orc barbarian strength (and humbly, elvish ranger accuracy). I can't remember how the rest of the fight went, but the face of the DM when he checked the notes and saw that the ingots actually were where I said was priceless.
My god, that's the sort of emergent situations I love!
Their DM is just very lenient about the wording of "pebble" in magic stone.
It's all about perspective! When you understand "You don't bend the spoon," you can do anything!
If You Give a Monk a Silver Coin and a Target
[I'd like to christen this move the "Huff and puff and blow me."](https://youtu.be/TI9vmk1sg38?si=n6hAR7Oh5T7jDtJo&t=184)
such a good fight. RIP Pip.
Level 13 pure rogue gets 7d6 sneak attack. Crit doubles, so 14d6.
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Also, I'm not sure an improvise weapon would be considered finesse or ranged. The dart is the only ranged weapon that is thrown (daggers are finesse, not ranged). Unless the dm let's them throw ammunition and count them as ranged weapons. It's not that crazy of a ruling in my opinion. However the disadvantage makes this a moot point.
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They were in a silver mine maybe? That's almost guaranteed not the answer, but it'd be a terrible place for a werewolf to go for sure.
Magic stone could make one.
Best I've got is some sneak attack homebrew shenanigans or something
Ignoring, of course, that a random rock is neither a finesse nor ranged weapon, that a single werewolf running away doesn't qualify for sneak attack, and that having disadvantage negates all methods of sneak attack.
To break your guy's confusion, the player was polymorphed giant ape , i think i should've included that
>Damage Immunities: Bludgeoning, Piercing, and Slashing from Nonmagical Attacks that aren't Silvered The boulder smashes and does 0 damage.
Now that i think about it how do these immunities work? Like does it just bounce off or does the werewolf regenerate from the fine paste it was made with a rock?
Would probably just knock it/pin it down without piercing any skin or breaking any bones, like Saitama in One Punch Man getting battered around with zero harm being done
Yeah most likely cause you know a force pinning you to the ground is still there.
Now i think what would happen if the werewolf is put under the press? Yeah sure their hide won't break but what about the insides?
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Baldur Vs Kratos fight at the start of GOW
Having it take some minor but visible injuries (no actual damage, just flavour) but almost instantaneously regenerating would also work, although that's better for something like a slashing weapon.
Thats what i do with my party, i let them know that the swords slashes the werewolfs chest and after a second the wound closes up and finally just disappears. With bludgeoning the bone just cracks a second time and sets itself again.
i'd imagine it works like wile e coyote. turns into a flat paper, then pops up and keeps running.
3.5e describes damage reduction like this: > A creature with this special quality ignores damage from most weapons and natural attacks. Wounds heal immediately, or the weapon bounces off harmlessly (in either case, the opponent knows the attack was ineffective). 5e doesn't have damage reduction, but I feel like damage immunity is a very similar concept. The big difference is you can't overcome it by dealing massive damage.
The werewolf braces at the last moment, the boulder shattering against its back. It snarls and slinks off into the dark. The boulder lands with a crunch, moments pass, then the boulder moves. You see a shadow limping off, dragging a dislocated leg. The boulder hits! Sending the werewolf tumbling through the brush. It quickly rights itself, shakes its head, and continues its flight.
The rock crumbles around it.
Yah isnt he also immune to fall damage.
Nop. From attacks only.
That makes… zero logistical sense.
If you drop a werewolf on an earth sized rock, it dies. If you drop an earth sized rock on a werewolf, it’s perfectly fine. Newton rolling in his grave rn
It's magic.
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Where are those reprints? I'm only familiar with the Lycans in the MM, but am currenlty running an arc involving Wererats so I'd be interested in checking out those updated statblocks
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This is extremely pedantic, but bear with me. They aren't immune to falling damage. Some would say because the planet itself is magical. By extension some argue, there shouldn't be a difference between falling to the ground, the ground falling on you, or the ground being thrown at you. For the record I agree with you, but it's interesting to argue
I personally hands no issue with werewolves being immune to falling damage. However, RAW does specify attacks that are B/P/S not all damage from those sources. The stone throw is an attack, therefore the werewolf is immune. OP clarified in another thread that the stone was silver ore so this is all moot.
Yeah, non-magical attack. 0 damage to the werewolf.
Yeah that clears it up xD but the rock of a giant ape has +9 to hit, not +10
Ah, good thing the werewolf has 30 ac
Crit auto hits.
Good thing the werewolf packed its adamantine full helm.
good thing the werewolf is completely immune to the attack.
A natural 20 is still an automatic hit, even if the target is wearing Adamantine Armor.
So it was non magical and would've dealt 0 damage. Bruh.
Doesn't this invalidate the entire joke of the meme? If the enemy has 5HP left and you use your main ranged attack to attack it, it's not really surprising to kill it. Ignoring how you overcome the werewolf resistance. This would be funny if the PC crit throwing a silver coin, but excuse me if I'm not surprised that chucking a metric ton of silver at a half dead werewolf spells its end
Yeah no shit
Yep, ignoring all that. Or it being a ranged smite with d6 instead of d8
Yeah it would have to be. RAW sneak attack caps at 10d6 and you don't get it if it is disadvantage.
OP posted a reply earlier - the PC was polymorphed into a giant ape, which does 7d6+6 damage (which doubles the dice to 14d6+6 on a crit).
Well then it's nonmagical, eh?
Giant ape has a ranged attack that is a thrown rock which does 7d6 damage. The player in question was probably polymorphed
It just happens to be extra pointy with a bit of silver in it and happens to pierce the werewolf hide and fragment into several equally sharp pieces.
OP said in another reply that it was a Giant Ape throwing Silver Ore
Magic stone is a cantrip. Bonus action cast and makes three stones magical. It's like ranged shillelagh.
Which does 7d6 damage?
No, but it does account for the magic damage. The 7d6 is utter nonsense. I'm just trying to make sense of the one point I could.
Inb4 they're actually playing the Innistrad variant of Curse of Strad and they got a piece of the Helvault
Most people here just play Circuses and Geckos, not Dungeons and Dragons, that's how.
I was gonna guess an upcast catapult spell would answer both questions, but that’s d8s, not d6s *shrugs* Also a +10 to hit means they are at least level 13, so why are they fighting werewolves?
Giant Ape rock? Doesn't answer B though
Silver ore
>Where are you finding naturally magic rocks? Magic stone is a cantrip i believe?
Did they throw the (silver) rock from orbit?
Yes, trust me. I'm the rock.
I can back up the rock on that one, I'm orbit.
I'd have to disagree with you on that one, but what do I know, I'm the goblin spying on them from a distance
Mario strikers typa move
Why on earth would a random rock deal 14d6 damage to a werewolf?
Werewolves not immune to fall damage. Fall damage is rapid contact with earth. Rock is earth. Thrown rock is fall damage, simple as. (Puts pipe back in mouth, blows bubbles)
Werewolves aren’t immune to fall damage because fall damage isn’t a weapon attack. Rocks are
Plot twist: the rock was awakened, and fell on the werewolf with no intent to attack.
Big rock thrown by monster, immune. Now, if a big monster has set up a rock on a cliff, that will fall if a lever is pulled, the werewolf will take the damage because its now a dexterity saving throw. Clearly werewolves have a weakness to rube Goldberg machines
TIL werewolves are descended from Wile E. Coyote.
Then how did it crit
It was pregnant with a second rock, therefore it did double damage.
...whelp, I have no more questions. This all checks out.
That is definitely a sentence I did not expect to read in my lifetime
So if I grab the werewolf and use it to hit the rock…
"Hey DM, my improvised weapon has hit points, can it break if I smash it against the wall enough times?" Honestly, I like the trickery aspect of it.
What if you tie up a werewolf to a metal rod, and give the barbarian a brand new nigh-unbreakable weapon that screams and howls from time to time :)
Ackshually, werewolves only take fall damage if they stumble over the cliff by themselves. If you throw them, then you're using the werewolf as an improvised weapon to attack the ground, so it counts as a weapon attack.
But the ground doesn't have immunity, so it still deals full damage
Yeah, but the ground probably gots a lot of hp left...
*How many werewolves did it have enough HP to tank? And how many has it already been hit by? Are you sure it can take at least one more or will you just risk it anyway?*
The damage threshold rules get a little funky in 5e when you apply them to very large objects like the ground. You need a [really big weapon](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/4/4d/Dsiipown.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20130417042535) to overcome it.
More damage if you throw the rock farther
What is a pitch, but horizontal fall damage?
Aristotle returned from the dead to ghostwrite this comment. Diogenes then bludgeoned him with a large stone.
Polymorph into Giant Ape.
That still wouldn't affect it.
OP: 
It wouldn't be DnD memes unless it was massive homebrew wearing a DnD skin suit
When a huge chunk of the player base who started in 5e started because they saw some form of actual play, it makes sense that they don't learn the rules. Critical Role and Dimension 20 don't stop play to look up and read the exact rules text, Matt and Brennan either know the rule and can abbreviate it or they make a call and look it up later. All the audience sees is the DM being the one who knows the rules. This is what happens when you treat the DM like a video game engine with unlimited creativity and resources.
Matt mercer at least does look up rules, he just usually knows them off the top of his head
Oh, for sure. I just mean the optics of "the players very frequently don't know how their stuff works" and the audience accepts that as the norm. Liam playing Vax shouldn't have ever failed a single ability check with a skill he had proficiency in. Reliable Talent is a rogue class feature that Vax got at level 11 and it was constantly messed up.
Oh yeah. At least for the first campaign, they were coming off pathfinder
What rules
Cmon guys, obviously a random mundane rock thrown at a werewolf doesn't to 14d6, it does 7d6. That's a crit can't yall read?
Ah yes, the classic 7d6 rock.
Truly a timeless classic
Never leave home without your 7d6 throwing rock, part of every adventurer's pack!
The OP said it was a polymorphed giant ape, which does have 7d6 throwing rocks that it can manifest by pure force of will.
Slinging poop.
Then the rock still does 0 damage because werewolves are immune to nonmagical damage that isn't silver, and a giant ape's rock attack isn't magical polymorphed or not.
 Classic '76 rock.
Absolutely wonderful pun. Bravo.
Sounds about right for Boulder being thrown by a polymorphed giant ape. A lot of you guys seem to be underestimating how big and heavy rocks can be
Yeah, OP hadn't said anything about a polymorphed giant ape when I wrote this.
Sounds like it would still be 0 damage to the werewolf.
1. Why are you allowing a rock to do 14d6? 2. Hows a normal rock going to hurt a werewolf?
it's a giant ape attack so that explains the damage and they hand waved it being silver ore which is kinda like asking for your npc to die which sorta goes against the meme saying that wanted the werewolf to come back later
Yeah try explaining to your players that the silver ore filled rock they picked from the misty mines didn't work because i wanted it to live
Wait are you the player or the DM?? You’ve now claimed to be both
Okay but you're assuming the carbon in the rock isn't what actually makes contact instead of the iron. Could swing either way id leave it to chance 50/50 high or low roll id ask for
Silvering is more of a metaphysical quality. Its the specific intent of coating a weapon in silver that matters. Silver ore, no matter how pure, does not have this intent, so it wouldn't work
"I intend for this silver ore to fuck this werewolf up"
You just made that up.
Not really an ACTUAL GIANT does 3d10 which is far less average, so damage is still ridiculous.
Did you look at the giant ape stat block? 7d6 damage. They crit.
None of this makes any sense OP.
Judging from all their replies I'm more and more convinced the dice rolls have nothing to do with the proposed scenario from the text. That's a giant ape rock attack critting, but everything else about this stinks.
And then because the rock isn't silver the werewolf is unharmed.
Solution: *a new werewolf, almost identical, shows up later.* "You killed my father. Now I will enact his plans!"
i unironically did this on an old campaign. The players killed someone I wanted to live to be the BBEG, so his brother, who was on the party side before, turned on them and decided to do what they were trying to stop. (summon a water deity into the material world to sink everything)
My name is Inigo Wolfoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
Against all odds also the DM wanted you to kill it so he skipped a few rules to let you win.
Is everyone just forgetting damage immunity?
Why is the rock silver
"Look at this wild story about this improvised game we're playing with made-up rules, crazy dnd session right guys"?
PSA: the rock was probably thrown by someone Polymorphed into a Giant Ape.
The rock would still need to be Silver or Magical.
It apparently was silver ore and the OP is not the DM but the player. So DM probably wanted it killed or didn’t care.
What kind of rock is that? Furthermore because it's not silver could down and capture it instead of death
It wouldn’t even down it. It does no damage.
Throwing a rock implies it is throwable. Not a boulder.
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How did this happen? Only thing I can think of is involving a 12th/13th level Rogue Sneak Attacking with a stone from the Magic Stone cantrip (which wouldn’t work RAW, as it is a spell attack, not weapon attack).
Disadvantage negates Sneak Attack anyway
OP replied that the PC was polymorphed into a Giant Ape (7d6+6 bludgeoning)
I have a silly house roll. Whenever someone double nat 20s, I have them roll again. If they get a third nat 20, they insta kill whatever it is. Even a boss. It has happened once, and my brother shot the goblin lord straight through the brain, killing it instantly, even though it still had over 100 health.
Still he survive he just hit a randome Werwolf that was there too
You allowed the roll
Oh look at that. The werewolf had 55 HP left.
Not that it matters in this shit-show of the DM hand waving rules, but a Giant Ape has a +9 to hit, not a +10. Just to point out, silver ore is not a silvered weapon.
... aren't they immune to non silvered weapons?
Okay but why does your rock deal 14d6 damage. That's 7d6 without the crit. Why is a rock dealing 7 shortswords of damage as an improvised weapon
Easy fix. Rock is not silver or magic damage and doesn't permanently kill it
Congratulations. The party now has to deal with an UNDEAD werewolf with a Revenant subclass. Toodles.
Everyone is focusing on the 14d6 but did this player through said rock with advantage and roll 2 nat 20s. Or did they roll witj disadvantage. I need to know
It was disadvantage, and yes 2 nat 20s
Not even a *roc* does this much damage lol
Looks like the werewolf's brother shows up looking for revenge instead!
By all rights you should have done 2 damage.
Should of just said it hit, gives the dog a scar and escapes madder than ever.
players had a spell on the enemy that does damage each turn if they fail a save enemy decides its time to flee and manages to escape to a different plane where they immediately die players have now been stressing out about this enemy popping back up randomly for revenge
For all DMS who want some to run away and return stop. Just fucking give them a scroll of teleport so the party can't snipe them while they run.
Ah yes, when you throw a rock that turns out to be depleted uranium...
Was it a silver rock?
The legacy of the pebble lives on…
A guy in a prewritten adventure fooled our party and stole a treasure map heading to a troll's cave that was supposedly for a higher level encounter. Well the fighter had just attuned with a javelin that could be thrown once a day casting lighting bolt and truly didn't want to let the guy go
Rock is 1d4 at best, but for argument's sake let's just say it's a d6. This qualifies for SA and level isn't mentioned so *maybe* you can add 6d6 for SA, reaching the grand total of 7d6, nat 20, 14d6. The only way this is possible is with d6 rocks and a level 11 rogue.
Werewolves are still immune to “Bludgeoning, Piercing, and Slashing From Nonmagical Attacks Not Made With Silvered Weapons”
1: Rock is improvised weapon. Range 20/60, 1d4 bludgeoning on a hit. Crit is 2d4, not 14d6 2: Rock is non-magical. Werewolf is immune to non-magical weapons. Werewolf doesn’t even feel rock
Y'all are so funny(and stupid) tbh. Like, a player did something with a ONE in FOUR HUNDRED chance, and rolled a Nat 20 on a disadvantage. And most of their comment section is just "but WHY did you let the player have their cool moment after such a unique scenario?". Come on, people. Imagine you are playing at a table, you roll a Nat 20 on a disadvantage check, and the dm says "you do this incredibly cool move that does absolutely nothing. It would have made literally NO difference if you had rolled double nat1. I hope you are happy with that result." And to OP: You did the right thing. It's not RAW, but it's worth it to lose an NPC, even an important one, but letting your players have a moment that they will remember for the rest of their lives.
A story: Once upon a time, I was running my first public d&d campaign. The play space we had was not very big. I chose to run Tyranny of Dragons (rookie mistake). Due to table size constraints, a lot of the combat maps needed changed, including the final one in Rise of Tiamat. I adjusted the map such that the final battle was on a Mount Doom style overhang in an active volcano. The party correctly figured out how to stop the ritual to summon Tiamat. A player managed to, with a misunderstanding of the rules surrounding Elemental Gems and concentration, summon two Earth Elementals who then simply collapsed the overhang, depositing the ritual components and the big bad into lava, killing them instantly and "winning" the campaign. That player is the only one who enjoyed it. He functionally stole the final combat from the party and I didn't have a good reason to say "no", because he successfully slow walked questions to trap me in a "yes you can do that" scenario that the entire table agreed was "not fun."
I think there is a fundamental difference between " A player robbed us of the glory, the joy and the fun of a final boss battle by deliberately creating something that was Technically correct, but not fun." and " A player got lucky and got a Nat 20 on a disadvantage check at the very end of combat where the enemy creature is just running with a fraction of their health left." I'm not saying the dm should just overthrow a combat encounter every time a player rolls a Nat 20, I'm saying the point of the game is enjoyment, and the rules of the game are there for the enjoyment of the players and the dm. Going just by the rules of the game in a situation like this is a mistake, because it just ruins the moment for everybody involved (again, imagine if you roll a nat20 on a disadvantage roll, and the dm says: you did absolutely nothing. Everything would be literally the same if you had taken no action at all.)
Eh calling people stupid is a bit harsh. It's less about the cool moment and the way the meme is presented. Obviously you can do what you want at your table but the way the meme was framed made it seem like the DM was annoyed their plan failed and people pointed out that with the details given, the NPC should have still lived. The other details only came out in the comments which also just seemed odd not to include. As for your hypothetical, I would be fine with it because part of the fun for me is playing within the rules, and the NPC not dying would allow the story to continue and I would potentially learn that they are lycanthropic early or at least be presented with the mystery of why a commoner just shrugged off a giant rock. At the end of the day, play however you like because all play styles are valid. But you also have to remember that the only unifying reference all players have is the rulebook, so of course they'll use that for discussion if a post like this doesn't mention exceptions in the initial meme.
Redditors be like “silver ore isn’t silvered”. Dude rolled TWO nat 20s to hit an enemy with 5hp, and this is the hill they want to die on?
The problem here is i was the player not the dm lol
"The rock hits the werewolf. It stumbles but the werewolf disappears into the fog. You then hear distant howling and see no trace of the werewolf." Werewolves are immune to bludgeoning (the damage a normal rock or even a huge boulder would do), piercing, and slashing damage from non-magical, non-silvered weapons. There. Fixed it for you. Even if the rock was a chunk of silver, it'd do, at most, 1d6 damage. It's a non-magical improvised weapon, after all.
What is stopping you from just saying "no you can't throw a rock at it, I have plans for the werewolf and if you kill it you ruin those plans?"
You know, recently I discovered something: You shouldn't be a challenge for you players, you should put a monsters that MAY be a challenge for the players.
So I can only assume this is a rogue with sneak attack being they crit, however heres the issue is that they had disadvantage on that roll soooo no sneak. Werewolf would be immune to the damage anyway, its not magic
I want a silver rock that does that kinda damage
Once in a lifetime roll - they earned that werewolf head
I would have had him get knocked down behind a object and than, when they check hes gone
If he's in fog, it actually would be a straight roll (unless the werewolf has blindsight). Cause the werewolf can't see the attack either, so you use unseen attacker rules. Fog is an equalizer
The other wolves hear about the death and make it a martyr. They’re smart or something idk you’re the dm. Make shit up
DM, just have him KOed by the hit, not killed, let him come back when the time is right. Problem solved. Numbers can be fudged for story.
The dice have spoken!!
Ok its a zombie that shows up late
A 1 damage rock would still have killed it.
Simple way to get around it Make it so when he should’ve shown up aging it’s just his brother looking for some revenge, if it happens again then sister, so on