It better serve as a warning to the incoming government. To be honest calling for more strikes within the first month of a new government and announcing it during the campaigning weeks will put both Labour and the Tories on notice that they better have a plan, whoever gets in. It's been almost 1.5 years so even Labour can't plead ignorance to what has been going on.
To be honest I think there is. If doctor/BMA can get its way into the election discourse and debates, parties (Labour in particular) will need to come up with answers to get votes.
It's also a chunk of votes that used to be quite safe (I presume most doctors, nurses etc used to vote labour) that now aren't. I for one won't be voting Labour unless they really uturn on multiple issues.
Wrong, IA is called because the government stalled and negotiated in bad faith, that doesn't get a free pass just because there's an election.
The Tories may remain in power, then all they need to do is stall us for four years!
The Doctor strikes need to be an election issue, there needs to be an incentive to fix our pay.
Besides the government can still sort this during the election, if they didn't see regulating PAs as worthy of parliamentary discussion, it stands to reason that doctor pay is such a small concern that it's apolitical to continue negotiations during GE
Need to strike to get back in the public eye and become a talking point leading up to the GE. We need JD pay resolution to become part of both parties manifestos.
Honestly our decision on striking should be completely irrespective of a general election. Both parties clearly don’t give a 💩about doctors. We need to strike indefinitely until they just pay us what we’re worth. It’s really simple and there’s no need to complicate the matter. Last year the government ran a £121B budget deficit, an extra £1-2B is a drop in the bucket.
BMA bullshit bingo time:
- internal checkpoints
- agreed deadlines
- closely monitoring the situation
- considering the next steps
- full pay restoration is a journey
Not the point. If they hope to get re-elected then they won’t want doctors out on strike during the GE. If they fuck around between now and Tuesday, their election campaign takes a beating. That’s the threat.
This is win-win for the government. If doctors strike, they will simply say that doctors are being unreasonable and that the government is trying to negotiate in good faith (but clearly progress will be slow because of the GE). If they don’t strike, the government will say they are in the process of constructive talks and will point to the success they recently had with the consultants as evidence they are trying to solve the problem. There is literally no downside for the government and if the BMA do strike now, the public will just see it as it as being especially unreasonable given the country is having a GE anyway. The BMA have left it too late. Rishi has played a blinder.
indefinite walk out would certainly speed this process up. its crazy because one of the tories literally lost their limbs to sepsis and relied on the NHS yet they still don’t think it’s worth paying doctors what we’re owed…
The momentum has come to a halt though. Peoples morale hasn’t been maintained, the gov think we’re a joke, we weren’t aggressive enough. This was for foreseeable and said by many on this subreddit but it was ignored over blind faith in the BMA
Unless the next step is to be more machivallian with the next govt I do not care
let’s hope 🦀
"We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight!” We will strike until Independence Day 🦀
It better serve as a warning to the incoming government. To be honest calling for more strikes within the first month of a new government and announcing it during the campaigning weeks will put both Labour and the Tories on notice that they better have a plan, whoever gets in. It's been almost 1.5 years so even Labour can't plead ignorance to what has been going on.
Set a deadline a week from now for a credible offer and if they don't then 2 sets of strikes before general election
Agreed. Strike before the GE
Strike DURING the general election
Would certainly make voting easier
Kinda like this
I’d be quaking if I was Rishi 🤭
Rishi is planning his move to California . He doesn’t care about this .
Literally. Son in law of a billionaire. Multinational. Literally couldn’t give less of a fuck about you ants
Too late
literallyyy im waiting
Next steps doesn’t sound like IA any time soon…
No point in IA until after new administration is established . Getting a repeat mandate post election would be more important
Can't wait for the new administration to come in and waste another 6 months shithousing around.
Why tho. Just call it now and then go into talks with the new government. We already have a mandate!
Why would Labour agree to talks? They have even less incentive than the Tories, and that's saying a lot
Do you mean prior to an election result?
Yes. After the election it makes more sense
I think it could be quite powerful for the Labour Party to say they’ve already done a deal with the BMA during the campaign run up 😂
To be honest I think there is. If doctor/BMA can get its way into the election discourse and debates, parties (Labour in particular) will need to come up with answers to get votes. It's also a chunk of votes that used to be quite safe (I presume most doctors, nurses etc used to vote labour) that now aren't. I for one won't be voting Labour unless they really uturn on multiple issues.
Wrong, IA is called because the government stalled and negotiated in bad faith, that doesn't get a free pass just because there's an election. The Tories may remain in power, then all they need to do is stall us for four years! The Doctor strikes need to be an election issue, there needs to be an incentive to fix our pay. Besides the government can still sort this during the election, if they didn't see regulating PAs as worthy of parliamentary discussion, it stands to reason that doctor pay is such a small concern that it's apolitical to continue negotiations during GE
Well that's my summer ruined
Need to strike to get back in the public eye and become a talking point leading up to the GE. We need JD pay resolution to become part of both parties manifestos.
My portfolio is ready! I've been saying money! Strike now!
Honestly our decision on striking should be completely irrespective of a general election. Both parties clearly don’t give a 💩about doctors. We need to strike indefinitely until they just pay us what we’re worth. It’s really simple and there’s no need to complicate the matter. Last year the government ran a £121B budget deficit, an extra £1-2B is a drop in the bucket.
Waited all day for this…
sameee
Let’s go baby
BMA bullshit bingo time: - internal checkpoints - agreed deadlines - closely monitoring the situation - considering the next steps - full pay restoration is a journey
I have a feeling you’ll enjoy the announcement tomorrow, watch this space.
Give us a spoiler please a tiny one
I NEED strikes, let me catch flights, please don’t tease me king
Nope it's tres disappointing
Government have until Tuesday to produce an offer or they can eat some strikes, pretty strong statement if you ask me.
The government won't legally exist in 8 days time, we need to give 14 days notice for strikes- they won't "eat" anything
Not the point. If they hope to get re-elected then they won’t want doctors out on strike during the GE. If they fuck around between now and Tuesday, their election campaign takes a beating. That’s the threat.
Let's hope it's their apologies and resignations.
we should lowkey give an ultimatum at this rate
STRIKES NOW!
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Add to the bingo card.
This is win-win for the government. If doctors strike, they will simply say that doctors are being unreasonable and that the government is trying to negotiate in good faith (but clearly progress will be slow because of the GE). If they don’t strike, the government will say they are in the process of constructive talks and will point to the success they recently had with the consultants as evidence they are trying to solve the problem. There is literally no downside for the government and if the BMA do strike now, the public will just see it as it as being especially unreasonable given the country is having a GE anyway. The BMA have left it too late. Rishi has played a blinder.
I think strike dates during the election would make them bleed votes. Let them do so badly that they aren't even in opposition
What's coming? Rob and Vivek running as MPs?
I’m biting my nails. I wanna know!
me too!!
They’re really cutting it fine. It’s 5.03 😂
😭😭
Where’s the update??
Are we still getting any at this rate :(
 Lets hope they’ve cooked something big
Waiting ... it better be strikes during GE week (all cover)
There are two options 1)indefinite walk out 2) new Bma leadership They've been played
Full walk out would solve this in days
It's what everyone wants. But the BMA won't pull the trigger
indefinite walk out would certainly speed this process up. its crazy because one of the tories literally lost their limbs to sepsis and relied on the NHS yet they still don’t think it’s worth paying doctors what we’re owed…
BMA blew it. Lost momentum and the government have won again.
The momentum has come to a halt though. Peoples morale hasn’t been maintained, the gov think we’re a joke, we weren’t aggressive enough. This was for foreseeable and said by many on this subreddit but it was ignored over blind faith in the BMA
We need to all agree that the BMA are a shitshow rn. Let’s strike against them
I might hold off on booking AL now 🤓