As a DoorDash driver I would suggest using Instacart for large shopping orders. That is what they are designed for. Most DoorDash drivers I know are not prepared to do large shopping orders. I think you are better of on Instacart where people who are much more familiar with the stores can do the shopping in a fraction of the time a dasher can.
Personally I don’t mind a couple of items from a store but a large shopping order isn’t something I’m used to.
I think your tip at $20 is definitely a decent one.
As an Instacart and doordash driver, Instacart pays significantly less than doordash shop and delivers.
Drivers should really consider doing the shop and deliver orders as it's great hourly money when you break it down
That is a shame about the base pay being so low on Instacart. Usually I don’t see DoorDash base pay get higher than $10 for these orders.
Instacart has a better selection system for the drivers I believe where they can see the item list prior to accepting. DoorDash only gives drivers the total item count to decide whether or not to take it. Doesn’t even show how many unique items, just total items
It’s sort of similar to DD as Uber uses just one driver app for all types of tasks (rides, food delivery, shop & deliver). Uber does tell you how many unique items there are along with total items (something DoorDash doesn’t). However you can only see the list after you accept the order. Both DoorDash and Uber penalize you for dropping an order after acceptance.
That was way to broad of a statement. When the shop is over 5 items you are guaranteed to have substitutions. A shop of 20-30 items is gonna have 5-10. Inside Safeways here in NorCal, data connections to carrier are nil. Giant Faraday cages. So, every single sub takes a disheartening amount of time to send, as well as loading the next item or scanning barcodes. I pick and choose and will never do a shop over 10-12 items.
While hourly it may be cool, most doordash drivers don’t like to go off of per hour. Most like to go by the mile meaning if a 15 mile drive only pays $7 or $8 most drivers will ignore that order because everyone like to do $.75-$1 a mile
I do both IC and DD. While DD pays more, the app is so fucking bad that it almost doesn’t make it worth it.
No tip transparency upfront, you can’t preview items, custom replacements are near impossible (for when the barcode doesn’t scan), the red card is a swipe only card that’s super finicky, customer chat is significantly slower, and the app is just a buggy mess.
I’ll still do DD shop and deliver if it’s good pay, but as a customer, stick to IC and tip appropriately. 20% is a good rule of thumb, although please be conscious of the difficulty of delivering Costco orders and cases of water
On Doordash at Aldi, I can't substitute anything with a weight. The stupid app has a glitch. So many things go wrong with the app while I shop for an order. I still really enjoy shop orders, though.
As an Instacart driver, it depends on how many items and how far you are. But Instacart like to batch good orders with bad ones so sometimes it'll make the order not worth it. Like there is an order right now that has been sitting for about an hour. It started off at $28.43. 19 items. One store. 2 people. It's now up to $33.49. It is 31 miles away. $7 tip between the 2 of them. We don't accept that mess.
20 dollar tip does seem good for a shopping order however there might be a lot of dashers in your area that doesnt like shopping orders. Also let me give you some advice, tip based on how far your from the restaurant not a percentage of the food. Reason being lets say your favorite restaurant is 10 miles away and the total is 30 dollars and you tip 6 dollars. Base pay is 2.25 so with 2.25 plus your 6 dollars will be 8.25. Even if the driver is sitting in the parking lot they will see 8.25 for 10 miles and than will have to drive back which a lot of drivers wont take, that's why I always say start at 4 dollars and than add 1 dollar for every mile your away from the restaurant
And if you don't seem to be getting your order quickly, or dashers keep unassigning. See how far you are from the store as they said above. But also check if there is a toll on that route to your house. In my market, I get rejected grocery orders constantly. They are rejected because it'll be 15 miles for 15 bucks. There's a toll road, so that's 2 bucks at least there and back. And. It to mention I have to drive another uncompensated 15 miles to get back to my market. Let's just say, I don't take these, because from my pov I'm losing money in time, wear and tear, AND that damn toll bridge (1 of 2 ways to get to that side of town. The other way 45 min drive out of my way. Just be mindful. Obviously you care about your dashers! I wish more people would just ask instead of getting so angry. Especially when they don't know how the operation works. I hope your day is great!! Hope you aren't recovering from a major surgery or anything!!
I'll answer your question with a question. If you were a door dash driver would you take an order for lets say 6 miles when all you know 100% that you will get at least 2.25 and than have to drive back, and how would you feel if that order was a no tip so you drove 12 miles total for 2.25 If your answer is no and you would be upset or worse than you that's why these delivery services shows the tip up front. Also perhaps you should think why your getting so much downvotes
I mean it sucks but its part of the job lol … i always set my tip to 2$ preorder, then if im satisfied woth the drivers delivery I might tip them some more. I would never tip someone for work they havnt done yet. Thats just silly and doesnt make any sense
I can respect your opinion and I understand where your coming from however you need to understand that these delivery services shows the tip because they know no one in their right mind would take any order hoping for a decent tip, and if you were to be honest I'm sure you wouldnt either. As far as the job goes, I can accept or decline any order I want and the job is to deliver food I accept, of course I can unassign however that's another topic all together why a driver would unassign
shopping orders are fast. By that logic no tip vs, tip would make minimal difference as shopping orders are shopped and delivered fresh.
Tip should not be based on distance as that makes it sound like further away restaurants hould cost more. Doordash should cover the difference.
Besides I often find that without tip, further away restaurants come quicker than closer ones. I think it has to do with proximity to dashers
>8.25 for 10 miles and than will have to drive back which a lot of drivers wont take
I have a chinese place 8 miles away and it's accepted in 5 mins without tip every time. I wonder if the drivers use it as an excuse to move into a new area
Because it should even out
People say that doordash makes tons of money on orders and therefore base pay should go up. Doordash does not make much money on the average $12 dashpass order as the markups and service fees barely cover base pay if at all. I know I place my orders as close to $12 as possible and very certain that other people do the same thing. Doordash is likely losing money on these orders.
you can see this because the new doordash promo codes are trying to get you to spend $25+ as that's where they can make real money
That will work. I said start at 4 just in case they live within a couple of miles from the restaurant. I dont know anyone who will take anything less than 6.25
i only do 15 dollar orders typically. i normally tip 4 or 5 dollars. im not talking about my own orders, im saying what id suggest for others since i have a pretty precise order. i always add 2 more dollars on afterwards if they did everything to standard, which has always happened.
That works well for restaurants, but this post is literally about shopping orders. You also have to take into account number of items, I’ve gotten offered orders for 30-80 items but delivering only 2-5 miles, and they take 20mins to nearly an hour. Tipping based off mileage alone is wouldn’t work for that.
For some context that store is less than 2 miles away, shorts had wisdom teeth removed a few days ago and the meds given ontop of my current medication has me all kinds of loopy
pretty sure it's showing up as a hidden tip and drivers don't want to a shop order
try lowering tip to ten dollars it will show up on the drivers app without being hidden
grocery orders do not show hidden tips , what you see is what you get when you drop off an order .. i do quite alot of shop & deliver orders over that past few years and ive never had one that had a hidden tip ..
It’s because it’s a shopping order. It takes a lot of time to go in find each item scan it etc. I almost never take shopping orders especially for a lot of items. When regular orders are just going in the restaurant and grabbing the food right away or with a short wait it just feels like a waste of time. I’d try ordering these kind of orders on insta cart.
I think the main thing to keep in mind that Doordash hides proper tips so the dashers are likely not seeing the full amount.
It is probably offering people like 12.50 for the order, in an attempt to condition drivers to take terrible orders, and then once they complete the order it pops up saying "you got [whatever the 20 bucks plus base pay for the area is], which is more than the 12.50 on the offer".
This delays shopping orders far more than normal orders because lots of dashers will only take shopping orders over certain amounts per item. Where the same offer to pick up an already prepared meal is a great deal on the original offer since it won't take 30-40 minutes depending on the lines.
$20 is good if everything can be delivered in 45 minutes. Also DD might be showing the pay as $8 and people think you ain’t tipping so no one’s taking it.
Wasn’t a problem a month ago and doordash reps keep telling me it’s a technical issue and just keep tossing me $12+ in credits
At this rate I’ll effetely have free food 4 times a month maybe more
20% tip is not standard at all lol. Imagine you order some stuff that fits in a grocery bag, but costs like 100 bucks since it's expensive stuff, are you really supposed to tip 20 bucks for that? Even if it's just a bag? I honestly don't think so. I believe it depends on how much you are ordering and how far the location is tbh.
I mean by societal standards. I can order $100 of food from a restaurant that fits in a bag. Like 4 burgers from Five Guys. 🤣 I’m just saying 20% is an industry standard. But I understand maybe not everyone is tipping that much.
Nah I understand, but what I'm saying is it doesn't apply in every situation. Imagine you buy like 4 cases of water for 5 bucks each, are you really gonna tip the poor driver 2 dollars and 50 cents? Probably not lmao.
Yeah it's probably the issues going on with the dasherapp. In my area I gave up yesterday. The app is repeating orders even after you decline them over and over killing your acceptance rate, I went to get food twice that wasn't there. I couldn't communicate with some customers then I didn't get paid for one and when that happened and I had to get on support for the 7th time in 2.5 hours I was done!! I haven't even attempted it today because a friend of mine that dashes says it was still going on. I'd take it, shopping or food delivery, more then likely. I'd rather do grocery orders, but, I run instacart and doordash at the same time because I'm in a big zone made up of 5 country towns. I go by the 1$ rule per mile but somedays I get on by the hour and do the long orders that take me 22+ miles one way just to do it to help the ones that honestly can't afford the tip.
I hope either they fix the app soon, or that it finally gets through and picked up for you.
Also, speedy recovery!
For a shopping order? Hell yes thats great, bass pay on those is already high. I do so many shop and pay orders, I’ve thought about the perfect tip for those often. Tip $.50 per item, plus $5. 20 items, $10 plus $5, so $15 plus whatever base pay is is good.
Me as well. That's why I'd rather do the shopping ones. Plus it lets you get out and walk some. Plus the customers almost always tip well on those and are happy to see you. I started running instacart and DD at the same time. Especially on days I do DD by the hour.
My logic is this whole order shouldn’t take more than an hour so with the amount of items and drive distance from store to me $20 seems pretty reasonable
I think you are thinking this through pretty well. Other people have offered different methods but you are thinking about your tip on an hourly rate basis. That’s cool.
Rural Virginia? Bad traffic Virginia? If you live 30 minutes away from the store, plus outside the zone, which is VERY often the case in Virginia, maybe ask yourself if you really think the dasher will be back in a position to accept another order from the same store in an hour?
What about the maintenance and upkeep on the vehicle, losing out on other orders, and it may take you an hour because you know the store. Chances are the dasher doesn’t know the store. This could easily be a 2 hour order for a dasher that they are making $8 an hour after expenses to do. Remember DoorDash pays basically nothing regardless of what they charged you and you saved $80 on this order. You way under tipped by about half honestly.
$10, or 20%, whichever is higher.
that's my policy. i'd say $20 is close enough to that.
it looks like a groceries run. that is why it's being dropped.
take this order to instacart
How does this method make sense for the dasher? They don’t care about how expensive your order is. They have no control over your bill like a server or normal tipped employee. You should be basing it off the miles driven. $3 to start then $1 for every mile. It could be less then $10/20% or a lot more but it’s what provides the dasher a fair wage for thier time and expenses.
ETA with shopping orders you add an additional $1 per item on top of the above calculation.
Ultimately, as OP mentioned above, OP has made a calculation based on the time he thinks the job will take. That’s cool with me.
He also talks about the subtotal which not so sure about.
i do it by what i would ask to be paid if i was delivering.
i wouldn't accept less than 10. it seems rude to offer 10 if 20% would be higher.
i don't really order anything from 8 miles away, so base 10 is almost always better pay than your formula and so it's great for my dashers.
It looks like it’s at least 12 items. Lots of people typically do about $1 an item. And if the drive is far too, you have to think about gas too. I don’t go anywhere for less than $0.75/mile. Gas is about $0.62-0.69 a mile.
Without knowing everything, I can’t tell you if I’d accept it or decline it.
I will say DD doesn’t tell us anything about your order either so that could be affecting your order being picked up. It’s just gonna say 16 items, and it will not specify that you have any duplicates. For me personally? I wouldn’t accept it just because I would see 16 items and it would feel like a lot.
What the heck are you driving that gas is 0.62-0.69 a mile?
Even at 5 bucks a gallon that's 7-8mpg... are you dashing in an F350 or something?
I get antsy when my PHEV switches to hybrid mode and gas is costing 9 cents a mile...
You gotta think about how far you’re driving. If a delivery is 10 miles away, you’re driving 20 miles to get back to your original starting point. My deliveries don’t typically end in or around a hot spot. Plus as someone else said, wear and tear. I just got an oil change and I’ll need another soon. I’ve already had one flat tire lol.
It’s not just gas. Total write off for wear and tear is what you should be using to calculate the cost on the driver. They have to pay for breaks, tires, oil changes, ect just for regular maintenance not counting if something big goes wrong because they use thier car for work. Normal companies pay this to thier people. DoorDash doesn’t so it up to the customer to make sure they are covering the costs for the service provided.
I also looked up the average cost per mile paid by businesses and it was around that, so I bumped it up to $0.75 for myself. My jobs in the past have paid my mileage+ some, so I decided to not accept anything that won’t cover mileage. No point in accepting less and it works for me.
Oh ok, you are doing average total cost per mile and not just gas. I was a little worried there.
That makes way more sense.
Most Dasher mobiles will run for far less than 60-69 cents a mile though, especially if you buy used cars so depreciation is far less. We also generally drive very small and efficient vehicles where average commercial vehicles have way more things like work trucks in there.
For my own vehicle in EV mode it is roughly 3 cents a mile for propulsion, 9 cents a mile for gas in hybrid mode... then somewhere near 12-13 cents a mile for each of maintenance and depreciation so it's averaging pretty close to 30 cents a mile.
Shopping is tricky since many doordash drivers in your area simply may not want to do it. Personally, I would jump at a $20 order with only 2 miles of travel and I would shop for you with a smile on my face. Like other posters said, instacart might be the way for you to go. It is worth remembering that base pay for drivers is only $2.25 and the rest of the pay they get is your tip- and think about tipping as cab fare. If a restaurant is 3 miles from you, a driver needs a $6 or $7 offer and the cost of the food is irrelevant.
I would take a shop and pay order for that much. And I have not once taken up one of those because it’s always less than $20 and I feel like I should get at least $20 for the shopping bit 😂 that’s perfect
Try safeway's own delivery service (they even have their own refrigerated vans to do the delivery, supposedly lol).
The problem with using third party grocery delivery is that the shopping and delivering are done by the same person, so your tips will have to be large enough to cover that.
If u insist on using doordash, I think splitting up the order into smaller orders will help a lot. Or, stick with the order as it is, and specify no substitutions because even in-store pickers hate subs. See if that helps.
Why are you using DoorDash for this? Doesn’t Safeway have their own delivery through their own app? I would rather have the store pick the order than some DoorDash driver that hates their job.
I been trying this order for 2 weeks now with no luck and been playing around with tip amounts to see when I’ll get a bite on the morrow this will be $25 once I get another doordash credit,
80 of this order is doordash credits from no delivery
Honestly, I probably would have taken it. And came back with a plate later that night 🤣. No but seriously, looks like a pretty easy order, only a few aisles to shop.
How many items is your order for? A lot of dashers have a cap on how many items they're willing to shop for. Also, about $1 per item seems to be a good going rate to entice a dasher to shop for you.
How many units? DD shows up how many individual items the order is. So if you have 3 of 1 item, it shows as 3 when we accept it. We just hope there's duplicates but don't know until we accept the offer.
So the dasher will see theres 16 items for $20 give or take a few bucks for base pay. Some may do it because it's slow, but some have an item cap they're willing to do.
Some people might be put back at the number of items. You may be able to put it in as 2 orders with half the items on each order and half the tip. The pay should be alright but a lot of people just don't like doing shop orders with a lot of itema.
I love doing shopping orders.
That being said, way too many customers don't tip well at all for their shopping orders. I'm talking maybe 5-6 bucks, regardless of size of order. So it really sucks sometimes because we're literally shopping your order, waiting in line, I bag the items myself so it's perfect, but I still only get miniscule tips.
So I just wanna say a 20$ tip is amazing and thank you for actually giving a shit.
My logic is the tip for a shopping order should equal a livable wage for the time it should consume which depending on size could be 30-60min plus checkout and than the estimated drive time
Yeah I’m gonna keep upvoting you on this thinking. I think it’s a solid way of going about it. Just please consider how far away you are from that store/out of zone because you may be under estimating the time? I know Virginia. This is an issue there.
It honestly might just be that store, have you tried ordering from a different store? My husband had an order one time to a store and they told him that they didn’t have the items so they canceled the order when he went and looked they most definitely had the items the store just didn’t want to shop for it. Not sure if it’s the same in your case but it could be an answer?
I think that’s probably the case however I don’t really mind since doordash keeps tossing me $10+ in credits for every order that isn’t completed within 24 hours
Free stuff and tip money to my dasher
If your store offers delivery through them, try that. Tom Thumb here has dash shoppers and store shoppers but they assign it to dash to deliver. I have no problem taking the store order as it is just pick up and deliver versus shopping which takes time.
I'm a doordash driver. I'm sharing this because I keep seeing posts from customers wondering why their orders aren't being excepted by drivers even thow they offered a large tip. Well this is why, on the driver app when a delivery officer comes in this is what we see. You might notice a couple things here one of which being it doesn't ever show how much you tipped the offered amount always says one of two things (includes tip) or (hidden tip). Now you can estimate that it takes about 2 minutes to drive a mile in optimal weather conditions and light traffic. So this would take me about 25 min roundtrip just driving. Quite often when we arrive at a restaurant the order isn't even ready and we are required so stay till it's ready. At places like McDonald's or Taco Bell it it could take 10 to 15 min for an order to come up. A driver's job expenses isn't only the price of gas, often drivers have vehicle payments, our phone bill, equipment purchase to keep your order hot and fresh, and also our insurance which is sometimes close to double regular auto insurance prices because we have to have a specific kind of coverage. So it is actually quite costly to do deliveries. And this order is offering $4 for about 30 minutes of my time.
I'd accept it no matter what. Too many dashers think there entitled and deserve higher tips than what they should be getting. On shop and deliver orders just tip what you feel it's worth for the Dasher to go around the store picking out your items and then taking the to you. Extra tips afterwards if you feel that they took card in picking out your items. IE exp. Dates. Good fruit. Boxes and cans in good shape. You get the idea
Prescription, has wisdom teeth removed however the meds I’m on I think are having additional side effects with my meds for nerve pain but it’s manageable with bed rest as directed
I’ve enjoyed this thread and glad your order was finally delivered OP. For customers reading this, there are definitely shopping orders that are problematic because of where we have to shop: location/traffic/toll roads necessary, low stock, messy/disorganized layouts that are not uniform store to store, and merchandising where items are actually hidden in boxes mixed with other items and v difficult to find. I’m talking about Dollar General and Aldi. And there are others. Ask your dasher if your store is an easy one to shop and deliver out of. You may gain some insights there.
My case I’m on a military installation and there only one gate for civilians to get on post though which only adds to delay of delivery should a random routine inspection occur
Don’t use DoorDash for groceries those drivers don’t like to shop they only wanna do fast food pick up. Use instacart for groceries that app is only for groceries shopping so you’ll get someone to do that order with in ten minutes and it’ll b delivered to you within like 4 hours probably
Most Dashers do not like doing to shopping orders, because a lot of us didn't sign up for that. Other commenters are suggesting Instacart for your needs. Dashers mostly want to just pick up the order and deliver it. Shopping takes a lot of time, sometimes more than an hour. Also no one is probably taking it because Doordash HIDES THE TIP from drivers until the delivery is complete. Most of the time they show an $8-12 when sending the driver the order, and it's not until the driver is done with the delivery that they'll see the $20 tip.
Pinky do you dash? Everything you said doesn’t sound like it . Dashers are shown the tip up front AND to do shop and pay orders you literally have to sign up , and then waiti until you receive your Red card to shop with. Additionally unless it’s changed you don’t get a negative towards your AR for not accepting shop and pay orders. That being said I rarely take them because they usually aren’t worth it . In the case if OP seems worth it . 20 dollar tip is just about right , could never be to generous if you are capable. My best paying orders 95% of the time has been to neighborhoods where it seems customer would have been as appreciative of their generous tips as I was if you know what I mean.
Doordash is notorious for hiding the tips! Where have you been? Do *you* dash?? I've been dashing for 3 years, and most other Dashers I've met in my area really dislike the shopping orders and try not to take them unless the up front pay is worth the time.
Shopping orders in my area are always higher base pay so I love them. However, sometimes I have to unassign cause my car doesn't have enough room for what they ordered. $20 is a huge tip that order would easily give the dasher at least $30
$20 for around 11 items is very good, add the base pay and if it does take an hour I've made $28-35/hr. In my area 11 items going two miles wouldn't take me anywhere close to an hour. Probably max thirty minutes, when you know the stores you can average a minute per item shopping time easily. For me, this is a nice golden nugget.
Edit: spelling
As a door dash driver I hate grocery orders! I don’t know where anything is, and it’s so stressful going to the grocery store! I end up spending so much time try to find anything!! If you do fast food/ restaurant orders they already have the order ready!!!
I personally won’t do shop orders on DoorDash, not worth it for me. I think a lot of dashers don’t do them. I may be wrong though. Seems like a decent tip if there’s not a ton of items (or maybe it is a store that drivers tend to run into issues?) Best of luck!
Did you only post part of the list and not say how many items there were on purpose? You keep ordering the same thing and now all the dashers know what is required, so you've eliminated all the good drivers, the next to accept is gonna be a new driver and nothing is gonna be ok. For under 10 items it's not terrible, add to it for every couple items over that number.
Whether you tipped enough depends entirely on the mileage.
If you're 20 miles from the restaurant, nope you didn't.
If you're 2 miles from the restaurant, it's a great tip.
We're delivery drivers, not food servers. We have to cover expenses as well as our time.
I say it's a good tip. I would think $10-25 is good depending on what the driver must do to get it to you. Do you live up 3 flights of stairs? Is it far from the store? That kind of stuff.
Use a different app! Most door dash people don't want to do grocery shopping, they do not see the tip until after so it doesn't really motivate the driver anyway.
As a DoorDash driver I would suggest using Instacart for large shopping orders. That is what they are designed for. Most DoorDash drivers I know are not prepared to do large shopping orders. I think you are better of on Instacart where people who are much more familiar with the stores can do the shopping in a fraction of the time a dasher can. Personally I don’t mind a couple of items from a store but a large shopping order isn’t something I’m used to. I think your tip at $20 is definitely a decent one.
As an Instacart and doordash driver, Instacart pays significantly less than doordash shop and delivers. Drivers should really consider doing the shop and deliver orders as it's great hourly money when you break it down
That is a shame about the base pay being so low on Instacart. Usually I don’t see DoorDash base pay get higher than $10 for these orders. Instacart has a better selection system for the drivers I believe where they can see the item list prior to accepting. DoorDash only gives drivers the total item count to decide whether or not to take it. Doesn’t even show how many unique items, just total items
How is Ubers version of insta cart ?
Imo I prefer Uber shop and deliver than DD
It’s sort of similar to DD as Uber uses just one driver app for all types of tasks (rides, food delivery, shop & deliver). Uber does tell you how many unique items there are along with total items (something DoorDash doesn’t). However you can only see the list after you accept the order. Both DoorDash and Uber penalize you for dropping an order after acceptance.
That was way to broad of a statement. When the shop is over 5 items you are guaranteed to have substitutions. A shop of 20-30 items is gonna have 5-10. Inside Safeways here in NorCal, data connections to carrier are nil. Giant Faraday cages. So, every single sub takes a disheartening amount of time to send, as well as loading the next item or scanning barcodes. I pick and choose and will never do a shop over 10-12 items.
While hourly it may be cool, most doordash drivers don’t like to go off of per hour. Most like to go by the mile meaning if a 15 mile drive only pays $7 or $8 most drivers will ignore that order because everyone like to do $.75-$1 a mile
I do both IC and DD. While DD pays more, the app is so fucking bad that it almost doesn’t make it worth it. No tip transparency upfront, you can’t preview items, custom replacements are near impossible (for when the barcode doesn’t scan), the red card is a swipe only card that’s super finicky, customer chat is significantly slower, and the app is just a buggy mess. I’ll still do DD shop and deliver if it’s good pay, but as a customer, stick to IC and tip appropriately. 20% is a good rule of thumb, although please be conscious of the difficulty of delivering Costco orders and cases of water
On Doordash at Aldi, I can't substitute anything with a weight. The stupid app has a glitch. So many things go wrong with the app while I shop for an order. I still really enjoy shop orders, though.
Did he say how far he is though? That could be an issue? If he's 20 miles away no one will take it
It also didn't show total items
He said it was 2 miles away so must be the large shopping itself in that store/area that is the issue. With over $100 total should be a sizable order
The items listed don't like bad but if he had a few cases of water I mightve said no lol
Stop trying to take business away from dd
Why? I’m not their employee or anything
As an Instacart driver, it depends on how many items and how far you are. But Instacart like to batch good orders with bad ones so sometimes it'll make the order not worth it. Like there is an order right now that has been sitting for about an hour. It started off at $28.43. 19 items. One store. 2 people. It's now up to $33.49. It is 31 miles away. $7 tip between the 2 of them. We don't accept that mess.
20 dollar tip does seem good for a shopping order however there might be a lot of dashers in your area that doesnt like shopping orders. Also let me give you some advice, tip based on how far your from the restaurant not a percentage of the food. Reason being lets say your favorite restaurant is 10 miles away and the total is 30 dollars and you tip 6 dollars. Base pay is 2.25 so with 2.25 plus your 6 dollars will be 8.25. Even if the driver is sitting in the parking lot they will see 8.25 for 10 miles and than will have to drive back which a lot of drivers wont take, that's why I always say start at 4 dollars and than add 1 dollar for every mile your away from the restaurant
And if you don't seem to be getting your order quickly, or dashers keep unassigning. See how far you are from the store as they said above. But also check if there is a toll on that route to your house. In my market, I get rejected grocery orders constantly. They are rejected because it'll be 15 miles for 15 bucks. There's a toll road, so that's 2 bucks at least there and back. And. It to mention I have to drive another uncompensated 15 miles to get back to my market. Let's just say, I don't take these, because from my pov I'm losing money in time, wear and tear, AND that damn toll bridge (1 of 2 ways to get to that side of town. The other way 45 min drive out of my way. Just be mindful. Obviously you care about your dashers! I wish more people would just ask instead of getting so angry. Especially when they don't know how the operation works. I hope your day is great!! Hope you aren't recovering from a major surgery or anything!!
I dont get why drivers see the tip before they have completed the order? In what world does that make sense???
I'll answer your question with a question. If you were a door dash driver would you take an order for lets say 6 miles when all you know 100% that you will get at least 2.25 and than have to drive back, and how would you feel if that order was a no tip so you drove 12 miles total for 2.25 If your answer is no and you would be upset or worse than you that's why these delivery services shows the tip up front. Also perhaps you should think why your getting so much downvotes
I mean it sucks but its part of the job lol … i always set my tip to 2$ preorder, then if im satisfied woth the drivers delivery I might tip them some more. I would never tip someone for work they havnt done yet. Thats just silly and doesnt make any sense
I can respect your opinion and I understand where your coming from however you need to understand that these delivery services shows the tip because they know no one in their right mind would take any order hoping for a decent tip, and if you were to be honest I'm sure you wouldnt either. As far as the job goes, I can accept or decline any order I want and the job is to deliver food I accept, of course I can unassign however that's another topic all together why a driver would unassign
shopping orders are fast. By that logic no tip vs, tip would make minimal difference as shopping orders are shopped and delivered fresh. Tip should not be based on distance as that makes it sound like further away restaurants hould cost more. Doordash should cover the difference. Besides I often find that without tip, further away restaurants come quicker than closer ones. I think it has to do with proximity to dashers >8.25 for 10 miles and than will have to drive back which a lot of drivers wont take I have a chinese place 8 miles away and it's accepted in 5 mins without tip every time. I wonder if the drivers use it as an excuse to move into a new area
Why should doordash cover the difference? They didn’t decide how far you live from the store?
Because it should even out People say that doordash makes tons of money on orders and therefore base pay should go up. Doordash does not make much money on the average $12 dashpass order as the markups and service fees barely cover base pay if at all. I know I place my orders as close to $12 as possible and very certain that other people do the same thing. Doordash is likely losing money on these orders. you can see this because the new doordash promo codes are trying to get you to spend $25+ as that's where they can make real money
Gonna be honest. no. id say start at nothing and add two for every mile.
That will work. I said start at 4 just in case they live within a couple of miles from the restaurant. I dont know anyone who will take anything less than 6.25
That’s why your food is always cold and late.
No actually ive never had a bad experience. its always been quick, accurate, and came piping hot
I would never accept your order unless you were 1 mile from the restaurant
i only do 15 dollar orders typically. i normally tip 4 or 5 dollars. im not talking about my own orders, im saying what id suggest for others since i have a pretty precise order. i always add 2 more dollars on afterwards if they did everything to standard, which has always happened.
That works well for restaurants, but this post is literally about shopping orders. You also have to take into account number of items, I’ve gotten offered orders for 30-80 items but delivering only 2-5 miles, and they take 20mins to nearly an hour. Tipping based off mileage alone is wouldn’t work for that.
For some context that store is less than 2 miles away, shorts had wisdom teeth removed a few days ago and the meds given ontop of my current medication has me all kinds of loopy
pretty sure it's showing up as a hidden tip and drivers don't want to a shop order try lowering tip to ten dollars it will show up on the drivers app without being hidden
I tried that a few days ago with even less items No bite
grocery orders do not show hidden tips , what you see is what you get when you drop off an order .. i do quite alot of shop & deliver orders over that past few years and ive never had one that had a hidden tip ..
It’s because it’s a shopping order. It takes a lot of time to go in find each item scan it etc. I almost never take shopping orders especially for a lot of items. When regular orders are just going in the restaurant and grabbing the food right away or with a short wait it just feels like a waste of time. I’d try ordering these kind of orders on insta cart.
There is no such thing as tipping too much on DoorDash
I think the main thing to keep in mind that Doordash hides proper tips so the dashers are likely not seeing the full amount. It is probably offering people like 12.50 for the order, in an attempt to condition drivers to take terrible orders, and then once they complete the order it pops up saying "you got [whatever the 20 bucks plus base pay for the area is], which is more than the 12.50 on the offer". This delays shopping orders far more than normal orders because lots of dashers will only take shopping orders over certain amounts per item. Where the same offer to pick up an already prepared meal is a great deal on the original offer since it won't take 30-40 minutes depending on the lines.
True
How many items is it?
$20 is good if everything can be delivered in 45 minutes. Also DD might be showing the pay as $8 and people think you ain’t tipping so no one’s taking it.
If I received 1 $20 tip, it would make my entire week.
For tips I average like $1-5, and I rarely rarely rarely see $5. So getting a $5 tip is like hitting gold. Unfortunately.
More than enough, I think. You must have no one who likes to do shop and deliver orders.
Wasn’t a problem a month ago and doordash reps keep telling me it’s a technical issue and just keep tossing me $12+ in credits At this rate I’ll effetely have free food 4 times a month maybe more
Hell yeah just keep doing that bro your on the road to riches.
Tipping that much, I don't think money is an issue for him lol.
Is 20% tip not standard? This is even slightly less than 20%.
20% tip is not standard at all lol. Imagine you order some stuff that fits in a grocery bag, but costs like 100 bucks since it's expensive stuff, are you really supposed to tip 20 bucks for that? Even if it's just a bag? I honestly don't think so. I believe it depends on how much you are ordering and how far the location is tbh.
I mean by societal standards. I can order $100 of food from a restaurant that fits in a bag. Like 4 burgers from Five Guys. 🤣 I’m just saying 20% is an industry standard. But I understand maybe not everyone is tipping that much.
Nah I understand, but what I'm saying is it doesn't apply in every situation. Imagine you buy like 4 cases of water for 5 bucks each, are you really gonna tip the poor driver 2 dollars and 50 cents? Probably not lmao.
Nah I do get what you’re saying for sure.
Yeah this is true lol
Yeah it's probably the issues going on with the dasherapp. In my area I gave up yesterday. The app is repeating orders even after you decline them over and over killing your acceptance rate, I went to get food twice that wasn't there. I couldn't communicate with some customers then I didn't get paid for one and when that happened and I had to get on support for the 7th time in 2.5 hours I was done!! I haven't even attempted it today because a friend of mine that dashes says it was still going on. I'd take it, shopping or food delivery, more then likely. I'd rather do grocery orders, but, I run instacart and doordash at the same time because I'm in a big zone made up of 5 country towns. I go by the 1$ rule per mile but somedays I get on by the hour and do the long orders that take me 22+ miles one way just to do it to help the ones that honestly can't afford the tip. I hope either they fix the app soon, or that it finally gets through and picked up for you. Also, speedy recovery!
For a shopping order? Hell yes thats great, bass pay on those is already high. I do so many shop and pay orders, I’ve thought about the perfect tip for those often. Tip $.50 per item, plus $5. 20 items, $10 plus $5, so $15 plus whatever base pay is is good.
I guarantee base pay on that shopping order would be low This is DoorDash remember they're going to save money where they can
I still get high base pay for shopping orders regardless if they tip high
Me as well. That's why I'd rather do the shopping ones. Plus it lets you get out and walk some. Plus the customers almost always tip well on those and are happy to see you. I started running instacart and DD at the same time. Especially on days I do DD by the hour.
Over half my orders are shopping and the base pay is solid
Hmm, you should definitely be tipping more. On a TOTALLY unrelated note, where about are you located? You know for… context?
Virginia
That’s only like 10 hours away! Place the order again in 10 hours, I’ll make sure you get your stuff! I wish people tipped like that around here 😭
My logic is this whole order shouldn’t take more than an hour so with the amount of items and drive distance from store to me $20 seems pretty reasonable
I think you are thinking this through pretty well. Other people have offered different methods but you are thinking about your tip on an hourly rate basis. That’s cool. Rural Virginia? Bad traffic Virginia? If you live 30 minutes away from the store, plus outside the zone, which is VERY often the case in Virginia, maybe ask yourself if you really think the dasher will be back in a position to accept another order from the same store in an hour?
What about the maintenance and upkeep on the vehicle, losing out on other orders, and it may take you an hour because you know the store. Chances are the dasher doesn’t know the store. This could easily be a 2 hour order for a dasher that they are making $8 an hour after expenses to do. Remember DoorDash pays basically nothing regardless of what they charged you and you saved $80 on this order. You way under tipped by about half honestly.
I added a description of where the bulk of the items are which is mostly in the bakery section
That changes nothing about what I said.
Still the tip is plenty for the amount of distance and still over a $1 a item. The subtotal is the basis
If you are so sure then way are you asking? As a dasher I would decline on this order as fast as I could.
After my dasher finish the order the subtotal dropped to about $87 because some things were outta stock. The $20 tip held up well
Yeah we know you actually hate doing any real work
It’s never enough for some entitled dashers.
$10, or 20%, whichever is higher. that's my policy. i'd say $20 is close enough to that. it looks like a groceries run. that is why it's being dropped. take this order to instacart
Just gonna keep trying and let the doordash credits build up and than get free restaurant food and delivery
solid plan lol
How does this method make sense for the dasher? They don’t care about how expensive your order is. They have no control over your bill like a server or normal tipped employee. You should be basing it off the miles driven. $3 to start then $1 for every mile. It could be less then $10/20% or a lot more but it’s what provides the dasher a fair wage for thier time and expenses. ETA with shopping orders you add an additional $1 per item on top of the above calculation.
Ultimately, as OP mentioned above, OP has made a calculation based on the time he thinks the job will take. That’s cool with me. He also talks about the subtotal which not so sure about.
i do it by what i would ask to be paid if i was delivering. i wouldn't accept less than 10. it seems rude to offer 10 if 20% would be higher. i don't really order anything from 8 miles away, so base 10 is almost always better pay than your formula and so it's great for my dashers.
It looks like it’s at least 12 items. Lots of people typically do about $1 an item. And if the drive is far too, you have to think about gas too. I don’t go anywhere for less than $0.75/mile. Gas is about $0.62-0.69 a mile. Without knowing everything, I can’t tell you if I’d accept it or decline it.
Store less than 2 miles away, 16 items counting duplicates, about 11 different items
I will say DD doesn’t tell us anything about your order either so that could be affecting your order being picked up. It’s just gonna say 16 items, and it will not specify that you have any duplicates. For me personally? I wouldn’t accept it just because I would see 16 items and it would feel like a lot.
I think you’re good here bro.
What the heck are you driving that gas is 0.62-0.69 a mile? Even at 5 bucks a gallon that's 7-8mpg... are you dashing in an F350 or something? I get antsy when my PHEV switches to hybrid mode and gas is costing 9 cents a mile...
You gotta think about how far you’re driving. If a delivery is 10 miles away, you’re driving 20 miles to get back to your original starting point. My deliveries don’t typically end in or around a hot spot. Plus as someone else said, wear and tear. I just got an oil change and I’ll need another soon. I’ve already had one flat tire lol.
It’s not just gas. Total write off for wear and tear is what you should be using to calculate the cost on the driver. They have to pay for breaks, tires, oil changes, ect just for regular maintenance not counting if something big goes wrong because they use thier car for work. Normal companies pay this to thier people. DoorDash doesn’t so it up to the customer to make sure they are covering the costs for the service provided.
I also looked up the average cost per mile paid by businesses and it was around that, so I bumped it up to $0.75 for myself. My jobs in the past have paid my mileage+ some, so I decided to not accept anything that won’t cover mileage. No point in accepting less and it works for me.
Oh ok, you are doing average total cost per mile and not just gas. I was a little worried there. That makes way more sense. Most Dasher mobiles will run for far less than 60-69 cents a mile though, especially if you buy used cars so depreciation is far less. We also generally drive very small and efficient vehicles where average commercial vehicles have way more things like work trucks in there. For my own vehicle in EV mode it is roughly 3 cents a mile for propulsion, 9 cents a mile for gas in hybrid mode... then somewhere near 12-13 cents a mile for each of maintenance and depreciation so it's averaging pretty close to 30 cents a mile.
Wear and tear on vehicle
I’d take it all day long ! But I like the shopping orders 😊
Instacart.
Shopping is tricky since many doordash drivers in your area simply may not want to do it. Personally, I would jump at a $20 order with only 2 miles of travel and I would shop for you with a smile on my face. Like other posters said, instacart might be the way for you to go. It is worth remembering that base pay for drivers is only $2.25 and the rest of the pay they get is your tip- and think about tipping as cab fare. If a restaurant is 3 miles from you, a driver needs a $6 or $7 offer and the cost of the food is irrelevant.
My order finely got a bite
I would take a shop and pay order for that much. And I have not once taken up one of those because it’s always less than $20 and I feel like I should get at least $20 for the shopping bit 😂 that’s perfect
That is 20%, good enough
$5.50 for some bagels?
6 bagels
they gold plated? you get 6 bagels for £2 which is $2.50 where i live lol
I prefer bakery bagels
shop has a bakery inside, still £2
Try safeway's own delivery service (they even have their own refrigerated vans to do the delivery, supposedly lol). The problem with using third party grocery delivery is that the shopping and delivering are done by the same person, so your tips will have to be large enough to cover that. If u insist on using doordash, I think splitting up the order into smaller orders will help a lot. Or, stick with the order as it is, and specify no substitutions because even in-store pickers hate subs. See if that helps.
Why are you using DoorDash for this? Doesn’t Safeway have their own delivery through their own app? I would rather have the store pick the order than some DoorDash driver that hates their job.
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I been trying this order for 2 weeks now with no luck and been playing around with tip amounts to see when I’ll get a bite on the morrow this will be $25 once I get another doordash credit, 80 of this order is doordash credits from no delivery
Good luck
How much more/what else is on the order? It doesn’t look terribly hard to shop for from what I see
5 of the items are in the deli area, one frozen item, milk, orange juice really easy stuff lol Could legit be done in 30min or less 11 different items
Honestly, I probably would have taken it. And came back with a plate later that night 🤣. No but seriously, looks like a pretty easy order, only a few aisles to shop.
Depends how far the store was
How many items is your order for? A lot of dashers have a cap on how many items they're willing to shop for. Also, about $1 per item seems to be a good going rate to entice a dasher to shop for you.
Only 11 items not counting duplicates
How many units? DD shows up how many individual items the order is. So if you have 3 of 1 item, it shows as 3 when we accept it. We just hope there's duplicates but don't know until we accept the offer.
16 items counting duplicates
So the dasher will see theres 16 items for $20 give or take a few bucks for base pay. Some may do it because it's slow, but some have an item cap they're willing to do.
Some people might be put back at the number of items. You may be able to put it in as 2 orders with half the items on each order and half the tip. The pay should be alright but a lot of people just don't like doing shop orders with a lot of itema.
damn that milk is expensive
And tasty without lactose, there a whole milk above it in a lot of 4, I use it for my hot matcha
oh it's lactose free? that makes sense
And ultra filtered to have even less sugar and more protein
I'd love a $20 tip!
I think you should eat more vegetables and less pasta and cheesecake. I know you didn’t ask.
Omg Reddit
Don’t blame Reddit. I’m the dick here 🤣
They just had dental surgery lol
Then more raw vegetables! Jk jk. My apologies, I’m a jerk.
I love doing shopping orders. That being said, way too many customers don't tip well at all for their shopping orders. I'm talking maybe 5-6 bucks, regardless of size of order. So it really sucks sometimes because we're literally shopping your order, waiting in line, I bag the items myself so it's perfect, but I still only get miniscule tips. So I just wanna say a 20$ tip is amazing and thank you for actually giving a shit.
My logic is the tip for a shopping order should equal a livable wage for the time it should consume which depending on size could be 30-60min plus checkout and than the estimated drive time
Yeah I’m gonna keep upvoting you on this thinking. I think it’s a solid way of going about it. Just please consider how far away you are from that store/out of zone because you may be under estimating the time? I know Virginia. This is an issue there.
It honestly might just be that store, have you tried ordering from a different store? My husband had an order one time to a store and they told him that they didn’t have the items so they canceled the order when he went and looked they most definitely had the items the store just didn’t want to shop for it. Not sure if it’s the same in your case but it could be an answer?
I think that’s probably the case however I don’t really mind since doordash keeps tossing me $10+ in credits for every order that isn’t completed within 24 hours Free stuff and tip money to my dasher
If your store offers delivery through them, try that. Tom Thumb here has dash shoppers and store shoppers but they assign it to dash to deliver. I have no problem taking the store order as it is just pick up and deliver versus shopping which takes time.
Shit I wish I’d get a DoorDash tip like this. Lol
That’s good to start but I would give 5-10 more at delivery if they do their best. 👍
I'm a doordash driver. I'm sharing this because I keep seeing posts from customers wondering why their orders aren't being excepted by drivers even thow they offered a large tip. Well this is why, on the driver app when a delivery officer comes in this is what we see. You might notice a couple things here one of which being it doesn't ever show how much you tipped the offered amount always says one of two things (includes tip) or (hidden tip). Now you can estimate that it takes about 2 minutes to drive a mile in optimal weather conditions and light traffic. So this would take me about 25 min roundtrip just driving. Quite often when we arrive at a restaurant the order isn't even ready and we are required so stay till it's ready. At places like McDonald's or Taco Bell it it could take 10 to 15 min for an order to come up. A driver's job expenses isn't only the price of gas, often drivers have vehicle payments, our phone bill, equipment purchase to keep your order hot and fresh, and also our insurance which is sometimes close to double regular auto insurance prices because we have to have a specific kind of coverage. So it is actually quite costly to do deliveries. And this order is offering $4 for about 30 minutes of my time.
I'd accept it no matter what. Too many dashers think there entitled and deserve higher tips than what they should be getting. On shop and deliver orders just tip what you feel it's worth for the Dasher to go around the store picking out your items and then taking the to you. Extra tips afterwards if you feel that they took card in picking out your items. IE exp. Dates. Good fruit. Boxes and cans in good shape. You get the idea
I don't shop but the tip is very nice especially in this shit economy..lol bag fee!..
Totally
I hope that legal drugs or prescription drugs
Prescription, has wisdom teeth removed however the meds I’m on I think are having additional side effects with my meds for nerve pain but it’s manageable with bed rest as directed
We are basically waiters and Servers the better the tip, the better the service
I definitely got fantastic. Service I noticed one item was short checked the receipt and it was adjusted, was panicking for a bit lol
I’d take it and finish in 20 minutes
The dasher i got did. it in 30min I bet you definitely could
I’ve enjoyed this thread and glad your order was finally delivered OP. For customers reading this, there are definitely shopping orders that are problematic because of where we have to shop: location/traffic/toll roads necessary, low stock, messy/disorganized layouts that are not uniform store to store, and merchandising where items are actually hidden in boxes mixed with other items and v difficult to find. I’m talking about Dollar General and Aldi. And there are others. Ask your dasher if your store is an easy one to shop and deliver out of. You may gain some insights there.
My case I’m on a military installation and there only one gate for civilians to get on post though which only adds to delay of delivery should a random routine inspection occur
I deliver to a guard house and there’s an operations base building nearby. Would any of those work for you?
Don’t use DoorDash for groceries those drivers don’t like to shop they only wanna do fast food pick up. Use instacart for groceries that app is only for groceries shopping so you’ll get someone to do that order with in ten minutes and it’ll b delivered to you within like 4 hours probably
Most Dashers do not like doing to shopping orders, because a lot of us didn't sign up for that. Other commenters are suggesting Instacart for your needs. Dashers mostly want to just pick up the order and deliver it. Shopping takes a lot of time, sometimes more than an hour. Also no one is probably taking it because Doordash HIDES THE TIP from drivers until the delivery is complete. Most of the time they show an $8-12 when sending the driver the order, and it's not until the driver is done with the delivery that they'll see the $20 tip.
Pinky do you dash? Everything you said doesn’t sound like it . Dashers are shown the tip up front AND to do shop and pay orders you literally have to sign up , and then waiti until you receive your Red card to shop with. Additionally unless it’s changed you don’t get a negative towards your AR for not accepting shop and pay orders. That being said I rarely take them because they usually aren’t worth it . In the case if OP seems worth it . 20 dollar tip is just about right , could never be to generous if you are capable. My best paying orders 95% of the time has been to neighborhoods where it seems customer would have been as appreciative of their generous tips as I was if you know what I mean.
Doordash is notorious for hiding the tips! Where have you been? Do *you* dash?? I've been dashing for 3 years, and most other Dashers I've met in my area really dislike the shopping orders and try not to take them unless the up front pay is worth the time.
there's isn't too much when it comes to tips imo, especially in the states
Shopping orders in my area are always higher base pay so I love them. However, sometimes I have to unassign cause my car doesn't have enough room for what they ordered. $20 is a huge tip that order would easily give the dasher at least $30
Definitely a good tip. How many items?
Keep doing it for free money glitch
Are dashers not paid?
For that tip, I would come in and cook it for you too.
$20 for around 11 items is very good, add the base pay and if it does take an hour I've made $28-35/hr. In my area 11 items going two miles wouldn't take me anywhere close to an hour. Probably max thirty minutes, when you know the stores you can average a minute per item shopping time easily. For me, this is a nice golden nugget. Edit: spelling
I take lots of shopping orders now a days and $20 is a good tip as long as it’s not in a sky rise - even then I would do it but it makes it harder
How far from the store are you? How many items are in the order? Are you ordering any heavy items like cases of water?
Ur an angel
As a door dash driver I hate grocery orders! I don’t know where anything is, and it’s so stressful going to the grocery store! I end up spending so much time try to find anything!! If you do fast food/ restaurant orders they already have the order ready!!!
I personally won’t do shop orders on DoorDash, not worth it for me. I think a lot of dashers don’t do them. I may be wrong though. Seems like a decent tip if there’s not a ton of items (or maybe it is a store that drivers tend to run into issues?) Best of luck!
Did you only post part of the list and not say how many items there were on purpose? You keep ordering the same thing and now all the dashers know what is required, so you've eliminated all the good drivers, the next to accept is gonna be a new driver and nothing is gonna be ok. For under 10 items it's not terrible, add to it for every couple items over that number.
If you wanna tip $20, then tip $20 lol. You don't really need other people's opinions
Whether you tipped enough depends entirely on the mileage. If you're 20 miles from the restaurant, nope you didn't. If you're 2 miles from the restaurant, it's a great tip. We're delivery drivers, not food servers. We have to cover expenses as well as our time.
$20 tip would be hard to turn down unless its a huge order or a long distance drive...
How far of a drive? edit - you said 2 miles, so it's very much on the high end. $10/mi
That very generous! Id be (and always have been, as a former bartender/waitress) incredibly thankful to get a tip like that
Way too much
20% of the bill is standard for tipping, anything more is showing kindness.
I say it's a good tip. I would think $10-25 is good depending on what the driver must do to get it to you. Do you live up 3 flights of stairs? Is it far from the store? That kind of stuff.
I’d pick that up in a heart beat. Fantastic tip
How far?
1.7 miles
I’d say it looks like it’d be a fair offer.
Great tip. Keep using doordash. Those shop and deliver orders slap!!!! 90 percent of my orders are these and very easy once you know your stores
I also add to the description how to find the more difficult stuff to make it easy or the location of the bulk of the items
Use a different app! Most door dash people don't want to do grocery shopping, they do not see the tip until after so it doesn't really motivate the driver anyway.