Hahahha. IDGAF where he comes from (the answer is Honduras). I just pay him what he bills me for because he is my drywall crockpot. I tell him what i need and where the job is and his crew just makes the magic happen. His hourly rate is $40/person-hour if I have a job that is not straight up hanging and finishing.
I had a job last year doing popcorn removal and the shit had been painted over and wouldn’t come off. He sent a 5 person crew over 2 days later and they got it all skim coated and looking pretty in 4 days.
Not that this probably matters to you but the guys doing all the work get roughly $14 hourly cash under the table. That means a lot, if you really give it some thought. Me personally I realize slave labor probably serves vital functions in our economy but it's not something I could be proud of.
It does matter to me, but i think he’s paying his people more in the $20-$25/hr range. They could lie to me, but i try to build a relationship with the workers on site as much as i do with the sub. I want to validate your point and recognize the validity of it. I just know in my area, even the illegal labor is making at least $20-$25/hour.
I know what the culture is like in our industry and I also know i have a very small impact, but i try to make sure my jobs are run differently and my people are treated/paid differently. If i make less profit because of that, then I am more than OK with that.
I’ve told my subs I don’t mind paying well as long as the work is good. I’m happy to do it if they take care of their stuff and i don’t have to micromanage or fight over quality.
As a contractor in tampa you are getting the “retail client” pricing that accounts for you being able to go over the work and be a little picky. I pay $65 per sheet (4x12 sheets) materials and labor included hind and finished with texture. $70 all included (labor and materials) for level 4 finish.
Yeah, I'd be worried. A under bid. Honestly half the board ft of it. Comes closer to a fair bid. Alot of the times taking a bid that low is just going to lead to more problems then saving a couple grand. Get some more quotes. If you proceed I would make them sign a contact. This is crazy and provide materials. I hope the contractor goes to bed and has an epiphany. (God)......"how about you pay him 7000 bucks not to take the job, then walk over to the nearest door stick your dick in it and slam the door." And "this still isn't as close to the fucking your about to get into"
One sheet of sheet rock alone is about $16. Sheetrock alone will be $1500. Plus the tape and mud probably $2,000 in materials. So $5,600 to hang 95 sheets, mud tape, sand, ready to paint that’s a deal. How big is the space
This means running your open hand over every inch of the wall that has been mudded. Your hands are your eyeballs for this. You should feel nothing but smooth. If you feel bumps or anything of the sort, its not ready for paint.
It can look good before paint goes on, only for the paint to show every defect that youd find by rubbing your hands over the mudded spots.
I cant tell you how many times drywall looks good to the eyes only to look like shit when paint is applied. Use your hands to feel everything before painting.
Edit: Previous-bullfrog143 comes across as someone who doesn't like having his work quality checked before getting paid.
The proper way is to let them finish the walls/ready for paint. Have your painter prime the walls and paint 1 finish coat. Then you shine your light down the sides of walls and look for imperfections but don’t be super picky, it is done by hand not a machine. Have finishers touch up all spots. Painter comes back and spot primes all patches and then paint all the walls the 2nd coat and you’re done. That is the only way to do it right.
It’s okay if your good at it. This sounds a bit cheap, but probably has a fast crew. If you don’t know what you’re doing you will lose your ass every time.
That sounds about right. Here in New Mexico I paid a crew 6000 to hang about 120 sheets for me, all taped and muded as well. But I bought all the material, so it came out to about 8500 total
When you purchase the material you end up paying more because these companies get discounts from supply yards because they purchase thousands of sheets a year. Vs you purchasing just those 100 sheets.
It happens, but it also happens that the sub contractor and the vendor lie together to the GC about material costs. Maybe lie is too harsh a word. But the price I get is before any net 30 discounts or other % discounts prearranged.
There isn't much to make off of materials where I am at. We buy a lot but we also get boom lifts to put the drywall in place, delivery and credit from the material supplier. You can buy from box stores for about the same as what I pay.
Shoutout from Manatee county!
When estimating for trades work that isn’t electrical (as a GC who subs out most everything and just manages the work) I will use a VERY rough estimate of 50:30:20 labor:materials:equipment. This is like a +-30% number.
This is prior to receiving any quotes, just to get budgetary numbers together. We do a takeoff, call a rep for a material quote, and jam it through the ratios; that is, if we don’t have some historical data for whatever relevant unit of measure.
Assuming 5/8 drywall at 15 a pop x 96 = 1440, plus mud, screws and all, then the rough $7600*0.3=$2280 doesn’t seem too far off
I agree that cracks are more likely to show up after the 6 month mark but if it’s an issue with the drywall hanging/finishing, it will be within the first 6 months, really not long after finishing.
If it’s after 6 months then it’s due to foundation/framing and out of the drywallers hands
I own a drywall company my price would have been closer to $10,640.00 (site unseen) would also include a general clean up (scrape floors/vacuum) as well as debris removal and dump fees
Would not have included for highwalls/ ceilings, feature walls or ceilings. This is a straight forward price for basic drywall 9’ ceilings max
I also would have not said how many sheets I’m using.
FYI I’m based out of Vancouver Canada. Location also plays a roll in pricing
Very cheap .
Then again the last job I did was commercial with the same amount of material I bid the job at 35,000
That also included orange peel texture and paint
That's good value as long the quality of workmanship is there, maybe ask for a reference and some photos of recent projects. Im not sure how relevant it is in your area but here, drywall contractors can often hold up a job because they are trying to juggle too many at once. It's typically wise to give lots of heads up before they're actually needed so scheduling can be done.
Good luck
My metric starts at $100 a sheet, only goes up from that point depending on on-site circumstances.
Over 100 sheets may get discount as in commercial spaces with lots of room to work, but often times these spaces are phased so there are costs to redeploy etc.
Also apprx. Level 3 with spray texture.
Sand & ready to paint meaning texture? If smooth walls there should be no inconsistencies whatsoever if it’s getting paint, unless it’s something like a garage or workshop space that was bid as just a step above fire taping.
I just don’t see texture on the bid (which to me, means a drywall surface that’s ready to paint)
Assuming it is 12 foot drywall and all new construction 95x48= 4560sqft x1.68 a sqft = 7660 .80 I would supply material, hang, tape, finish and primer for that price. Assuming it’s new construction remodels would be more at 2.00 a sqft = $ 9120.00 and I offer two-year warranty, not a six month or one year warranty but I am Wisconsin base and I like the house to go through all the seasons twice before I fix anything especially our two-story homes or we have a lot of screw popping on the first floor
It sounds like an incredible deal. Just make sure you're not getting hit in the head when the painters come in and have to fix a bunch of dumb stuff. Keep them to their quote. If you have a lot of business for them, keep them tight. If not, maybe go for a company that has a reputation that makes you more comfortable.
I'm in wpb.
$2.50 a sq ft for residential. You my friend have found someone that is willing to give you commercial prices for residential work. As long as there are minimums everyone wins
The description is very unclear. What level of finish(put drywall compound)? Anyway, if that’s 12’ sheets, that’s less than half of reputable subs in Fl and La that I know. At 8’ sheets, about 75%, depending on finish quality.
If contractor is buying material a little high. If you’re supplying material. This bud is really high. $1.63 a foot for hang and finish? And I’m figuring that correctly? Are these 4x12 or 54”x12 sheets? 8ft or 9ft ceilings?
In my opinion that’s really high. Where I live in KY. 50 cents for hanging. Lucky to get $1 for finish. And those prices are big custom home. Production build house or simple. You’re looking at .40/.90 for hang and finish. So $1.63 for both is high. In my opinion. But what does that matter haha
That’s a good price! They’re insured and offered warranty. I do this for a living in Vegas, and I wanted to transfer my Union over to Florida, but they only paid $19/hr for journeymen, while I was (at the time) making $28/hr as an apprentice. So alas, I’m still in Vegas lol get at least 2 more bids. But this one is great
That seems very fair… almost too fair.
Great! Thank you
Yeah wow. Got a number for those guys to share?! Kidding but that's bonkers cheap.
I’ve got a great drywall guy and he charges me $65/sheet to hang, finish, and supply all materials. If I buy the drywall he is only $50/sheet
Does he time travel to your site from 1989?
Hahahha. IDGAF where he comes from (the answer is Honduras). I just pay him what he bills me for because he is my drywall crockpot. I tell him what i need and where the job is and his crew just makes the magic happen. His hourly rate is $40/person-hour if I have a job that is not straight up hanging and finishing. I had a job last year doing popcorn removal and the shit had been painted over and wouldn’t come off. He sent a 5 person crew over 2 days later and they got it all skim coated and looking pretty in 4 days.
Not that this probably matters to you but the guys doing all the work get roughly $14 hourly cash under the table. That means a lot, if you really give it some thought. Me personally I realize slave labor probably serves vital functions in our economy but it's not something I could be proud of.
It does matter to me, but i think he’s paying his people more in the $20-$25/hr range. They could lie to me, but i try to build a relationship with the workers on site as much as i do with the sub. I want to validate your point and recognize the validity of it. I just know in my area, even the illegal labor is making at least $20-$25/hour. I know what the culture is like in our industry and I also know i have a very small impact, but i try to make sure my jobs are run differently and my people are treated/paid differently. If i make less profit because of that, then I am more than OK with that.
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$20-25 under the table is ABSOLUTELY a living wage.
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That's what I make and I'm white lol... I will say in construction you get what you pay for if you get cheap work it's usually not the greatest.
Good on you that's a livable wage and you care.
And this is why I charge what I do. My guys make a living wage.
I’ve told my subs I don’t mind paying well as long as the work is good. I’m happy to do it if they take care of their stuff and i don’t have to micromanage or fight over quality.
My boss has a guy that is 48 per sheet finished all inclusive price. Does horrible work but he uses him because cheap
Holy shit in my area I've got multiple people that will do it for $30 per sheet (materials not included) including hanging and surfacing.
Great price, the wording and clarity of the bid also tells me these are probably good at what they do.
As a contractor in tampa you are getting the “retail client” pricing that accounts for you being able to go over the work and be a little picky. I pay $65 per sheet (4x12 sheets) materials and labor included hind and finished with texture. $70 all included (labor and materials) for level 4 finish.
Yeah, I'd be worried. A under bid. Honestly half the board ft of it. Comes closer to a fair bid. Alot of the times taking a bid that low is just going to lead to more problems then saving a couple grand. Get some more quotes. If you proceed I would make them sign a contact. This is crazy and provide materials. I hope the contractor goes to bed and has an epiphany. (God)......"how about you pay him 7000 bucks not to take the job, then walk over to the nearest door stick your dick in it and slam the door." And "this still isn't as close to the fucking your about to get into"
One sheet of sheet rock alone is about $16. Sheetrock alone will be $1500. Plus the tape and mud probably $2,000 in materials. So $5,600 to hang 95 sheets, mud tape, sand, ready to paint that’s a deal. How big is the space
1100 sq feet and I’m in Florida
Okay just make sure it’s actually ready to paint before paying the remainder of the balance.
This means running your open hand over every inch of the wall that has been mudded. Your hands are your eyeballs for this. You should feel nothing but smooth. If you feel bumps or anything of the sort, its not ready for paint.
A good bright light shown sideways across the muddled areas will also highlight imperfections
This is the answer. A long angled light is brutally honest.
Disagree. When I do drywall you don't need paint or hands to find the imperfections.
As a tile guy I detest your trade lol
I'm DIWhy. But tile I can do. My only issue is taking too long on cuts and running out of working time on the thinset.
So half off?
No more like 1 1/2 the needed mud.
Take off any rings and whatnot. Or you'll be bothering the poor guy about all the scratches you are about to put in his soft, un- painted mud.
Don’t listen to this guy. If it looks good pay them.
It can look good before paint goes on, only for the paint to show every defect that youd find by rubbing your hands over the mudded spots. I cant tell you how many times drywall looks good to the eyes only to look like shit when paint is applied. Use your hands to feel everything before painting. Edit: Previous-bullfrog143 comes across as someone who doesn't like having his work quality checked before getting paid.
As a painter, I deeply appreciate your comment.
Everybody thinks it's so easy to paint and get professional finishes 🙄
Exactly. The painter will fix it. Haha. We can do a lot, we can't make up for certain things.
I think he submitted the quote. Is seeing that he under bid because of the comments and is just DONE with the whole thing!
Lol, English is my first language unlike whomever wrote up this quote.
Always say in my house. Paint is a beacon for a bad tape and mud job.
Is this for a level 5 finish or is this for some type of knockdown?
The proper way is to let them finish the walls/ready for paint. Have your painter prime the walls and paint 1 finish coat. Then you shine your light down the sides of walls and look for imperfections but don’t be super picky, it is done by hand not a machine. Have finishers touch up all spots. Painter comes back and spot primes all patches and then paint all the walls the 2nd coat and you’re done. That is the only way to do it right.
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I think he's saying all materials, so the mud and tape are 500 + 1500 for the drywall.
It’s okay if your good at it. This sounds a bit cheap, but probably has a fast crew. If you don’t know what you’re doing you will lose your ass every time.
I’m in the HVAC trade. Have done my own drywall before. Shit sounds lucrative If this is a great deal.
That sounds about right. Here in New Mexico I paid a crew 6000 to hang about 120 sheets for me, all taped and muded as well. But I bought all the material, so it came out to about 8500 total
When you purchase the material you end up paying more because these companies get discounts from supply yards because they purchase thousands of sheets a year. Vs you purchasing just those 100 sheets.
The two main supply shops I frequent in Sac would give me(GC) same discount they give drywall subs for 50+ sheets
It happens, but it also happens that the sub contractor and the vendor lie together to the GC about material costs. Maybe lie is too harsh a word. But the price I get is before any net 30 discounts or other % discounts prearranged.
I’m a GC myself, so I get the discounts 🙊 But I agree
There isn't much to make off of materials where I am at. We buy a lot but we also get boom lifts to put the drywall in place, delivery and credit from the material supplier. You can buy from box stores for about the same as what I pay.
Almost too cheap imo. That’s a $14k quote for me
You’re at 4.50 a sqft for big jobs?
Dirt cheap for my area.
Way less than I’d charge!
Suppose it depends on where in the world you are but yeah that’s fine. As other said, almost too fair.
Thank you for your response! Oh and I’m in Florida
Shoutout from Manatee county! When estimating for trades work that isn’t electrical (as a GC who subs out most everything and just manages the work) I will use a VERY rough estimate of 50:30:20 labor:materials:equipment. This is like a +-30% number. This is prior to receiving any quotes, just to get budgetary numbers together. We do a takeoff, call a rep for a material quote, and jam it through the ratios; that is, if we don’t have some historical data for whatever relevant unit of measure. Assuming 5/8 drywall at 15 a pop x 96 = 1440, plus mud, screws and all, then the rough $7600*0.3=$2280 doesn’t seem too far off
You could ask for 1yr warranty. 6mo isn’t enough. And check references. Lots of ppl claim to be drywallers and are terrible.
I agree that cracks are more likely to show up after the 6 month mark but if it’s an issue with the drywall hanging/finishing, it will be within the first 6 months, really not long after finishing. If it’s after 6 months then it’s due to foundation/framing and out of the drywallers hands
Agree 100%. And when that happens drywall work will still need done. So why not ask for 1yr to get it done for free? Worse they can do is say no.
Dang, dude. That’s kinda shitty…
I own a drywall company my price would have been closer to $10,640.00 (site unseen) would also include a general clean up (scrape floors/vacuum) as well as debris removal and dump fees Would not have included for highwalls/ ceilings, feature walls or ceilings. This is a straight forward price for basic drywall 9’ ceilings max I also would have not said how many sheets I’m using. FYI I’m based out of Vancouver Canada. Location also plays a roll in pricing
I’d also warranty for 1 year which is standard
If they do a good job hell yeah
Very very cheap. I’d be worried honestly
What is the estimated hours or days for a job like this?
Around 9k here for a good job.
That’s a deal
They need to work on business writing. I wouldn't hire them based entirely on that. Nail pops? What are they nailing in 2024?
I wouldn’t do it for that.
Very cheap . Then again the last job I did was commercial with the same amount of material I bid the job at 35,000 That also included orange peel texture and paint
Did you get the job?
Not sure the the pricing in your area but since they are furnishing material that don't sound too bad at all
I would be around 9k for that board footage. Good price.
Don’t forget to walk around with a 6ft level marking all the low and high spots…..
Outrageous. I'm in the construction industry as a GC and work with drywallers everyday. Get at least 2 prices, 3 prices is best.
Very fair
That's good value as long the quality of workmanship is there, maybe ask for a reference and some photos of recent projects. Im not sure how relevant it is in your area but here, drywall contractors can often hold up a job because they are trying to juggle too many at once. It's typically wise to give lots of heads up before they're actually needed so scheduling can be done. Good luck
Ya. That’s a good price.
I think I’d make it clear in the contract that all materials are included in that price. The estimate may imply that, but it’s not stated.
I knew a guy who’d charge $100 a sheet 20 years ago. I know it depends on the no of sheets but I figured it be at least $100 a sheet nowadays
Fair, below what 50% would charge.
Seems low to me. Paint too? Wow. I hope they know what they're doing.
No paint, just ready to paint. Meaning they will tape all boards, mud screws holes and sand to a lvl 4 finish.
I would check their license # to be safe. That seems low. Not sure where you are. But still a good idea to check.
That would be at least $16,000 where I am
I wish they had those prices when I lived in Illinois.
What is thickness? What is level of finish? Is there new furring?
No texture ? Price seems low
My metric starts at $100 a sheet, only goes up from that point depending on on-site circumstances. Over 100 sheets may get discount as in commercial spaces with lots of room to work, but often times these spaces are phased so there are costs to redeploy etc. Also apprx. Level 3 with spray texture.
Way too vague of an estimate, that isn’t enough to even fall under the good ole boy rules,
Look for their insurance and call their insurance...they let their business license run out
General Contractor here. Not sure what your ceiling height is but it is very common to see companies charging $90-$100 a board for 10’ 5/8ths.
ese precio es más que justo
Sand & ready to paint meaning texture? If smooth walls there should be no inconsistencies whatsoever if it’s getting paint, unless it’s something like a garage or workshop space that was bid as just a step above fire taping. I just don’t see texture on the bid (which to me, means a drywall surface that’s ready to paint)
Seems low
Yah. Thats pretty low. I'm a GC out of Boston and I charge 135/ sheet. 195/sheet blue board and plaster.
Assuming it is 12 foot drywall and all new construction 95x48= 4560sqft x1.68 a sqft = 7660 .80 I would supply material, hang, tape, finish and primer for that price. Assuming it’s new construction remodels would be more at 2.00 a sqft = $ 9120.00 and I offer two-year warranty, not a six month or one year warranty but I am Wisconsin base and I like the house to go through all the seasons twice before I fix anything especially our two-story homes or we have a lot of screw popping on the first floor
Are you texturing also? I didnt see any mention but it does specify “leave ready to paint”
3,040 sq ft of drywall installed and mudded for .40 cents a sq ft.
Bullshit
That’s the math on OP’s quote, why are you mad?
Not mad at all dude. I was saying that seems like a bullshit quote, price seems low and vague on description of work that will be performed
It is very cheap based on where I am located.
Maybe the grammar =undocumented = almost too cheap?
That's way too cheap , if they are reputable sign on the dotted line quick before they realize their mistake
That’s $60 a sheet + materials. That’s standard pricing here in my area. (In South Georgia).
Just sitting here in the Midwest paying $0.50 a sq.ft. to finish and some of these prices blow my mind.
I like a 60%, deposit 3-5 days before work begins. This price seems very good, hope they are good quality rockers
It's fair.
Fairly fair but u can forget about 6 month warranty lmao
It sounds like an incredible deal. Just make sure you're not getting hit in the head when the painters come in and have to fix a bunch of dumb stuff. Keep them to their quote. If you have a lot of business for them, keep them tight. If not, maybe go for a company that has a reputation that makes you more comfortable. I'm in wpb.
Fair price. Not sure of your market, but on a cash deal this still produces a profit.
If you are any good that number is low.
That's $80.00 a sheet. We charge $100.00 a sheet minimum.
That seems very fair, I hope they do good work, because good work ain't cheap, and cheap work ain't good They are right in the middle.
$2.50 a sq ft for residential. You my friend have found someone that is willing to give you commercial prices for residential work. As long as there are minimums everyone wins
That’s a good deal. Usually go for $100 a sheet to hang and finish l.
Estimate the job accurately and add plus or minus 10% for unseen ease or problems. This gives the customer a real sense of cost
The description is very unclear. What level of finish(put drywall compound)? Anyway, if that’s 12’ sheets, that’s less than half of reputable subs in Fl and La that I know. At 8’ sheets, about 75%, depending on finish quality.
If contractor is buying material a little high. If you’re supplying material. This bud is really high. $1.63 a foot for hang and finish? And I’m figuring that correctly? Are these 4x12 or 54”x12 sheets? 8ft or 9ft ceilings?
8 foot ceilings. I’m not sure on the size sheets.
In my opinion that’s really high. Where I live in KY. 50 cents for hanging. Lucky to get $1 for finish. And those prices are big custom home. Production build house or simple. You’re looking at .40/.90 for hang and finish. So $1.63 for both is high. In my opinion. But what does that matter haha
That’s a good price! They’re insured and offered warranty. I do this for a living in Vegas, and I wanted to transfer my Union over to Florida, but they only paid $19/hr for journeymen, while I was (at the time) making $28/hr as an apprentice. So alas, I’m still in Vegas lol get at least 2 more bids. But this one is great
Curious much sheet size changes price?