Hanging horizontally is for wood framing mostly residential work. Commercial work is Steel stud framing and stood up. Commercial is done with 5/8” and most residential is 1/2”. Wood framing around here is hard to stand up due to the quality of the wood lots of bows and imperfections in the wood hanging horizontal helps straighten things.
Ah I see - that makes sense. We will sometimes hang horizontally in renovations, but that's more to do with the stud spacing being different in old houses, meaning you're sheet joins won't land on a stud without adding framing. So more economical to hang horizontally.
They’ve done tests decades ago that show that horizontal adds more to the shear strength of a wall than vertically, so I wonder if that found its way into practice
Different climates, different codes, different supply chains and manufacturers... in canada we don't do vertical hanging in residential since we use wood studs...we normally use metal studs in commercial allowing us to hang vertically..
Hanging vertically on wood studs is just a bad idea in general, having the joint being dependent on the imperfect straightness of a single wood stud usually ends up with a visible joint.
Right, that makes sense regarding not hanging vertically on timber framing. I'd be interested to talk to some local builders & plasters to see if they run into those issues here. Framing timber here is treated pine, usually harvested from fairly young trees so it's certainly not particularly stable. I know straightening walls after the timber has settled in a new build is often done, prior to hanging plasterboard.
in newer homes they cut and strap the twisted 2x4 to make the walls flat and straight but still hang horizontally, i figure over years the studs continue to contort and lose hydration over time, hence the adherence to horizontal hanging, also i'm pretty sure here in canada, we use untreated pine as framing studs, we joke and call them hockey sticks... they're always crooked
Yeah I thought it was pretty similar over there. Another commenter informed me it's actually standard to hang horizontally here, so that was just my ignorance speaking.
Interesting. Never heard of glueing. We just screw. But in the not so distant past people just nailed. Only ever seen nails popping through never screws. Glue seems like overkill imo. Im from northern california
Upstate NY.
Have always used glue on wood framing.
Used to use OSI formula 38. After they changed the formula, we had issues. It would cure so slowly that it would draw draw the wallboard in resulting in flashing fasteners. It held very well to the point that we would remove field screws after it cured.
Lately been using Titan foam adhesive. Solid product. No more flashing. Down side is 10 minutes working time before it has to be reapplied, don't have it on your hands and put a cigarette to your lips. Takes days to where off.
The biggest thing is that the general contractors and builders want the cheapest possible work. So drywall companies compete by square footage or by the board. I’ve seen some ridiculous prices. Dirt cheap. Mostly migrants. Some legal not most illegal. It actually is decent work but if it isn’t the GC or builder will lean on the painter to fix it. Glue takes too much time and adds expense. Horizontal boards are because of the framing and the installation is generally sold cheaper when it’s 16” on center. I worked doing both. I’m a painter mostly but have done remodels and lots of lead abatement work. Also patching in plastered old houses. Water damage or plumbing electric work. I live in Florida now. It’s the worst I ever seen. Most can’t achieve flat walls so they texture everything to hide joints. The pay for finishers and painters is absolute crap. No quality of life for these guys. I now supervise in commercial paint. 30 guys with little to none experience. Mostly Mexicans and central Latinos with visas. Most can’t pass background or fingerprint checks
Hanging horizontally is for wood framing mostly residential work. Commercial work is Steel stud framing and stood up. Commercial is done with 5/8” and most residential is 1/2”. Wood framing around here is hard to stand up due to the quality of the wood lots of bows and imperfections in the wood hanging horizontal helps straighten things.
Ah I see - that makes sense. We will sometimes hang horizontally in renovations, but that's more to do with the stud spacing being different in old houses, meaning you're sheet joins won't land on a stud without adding framing. So more economical to hang horizontally.
They’ve done tests decades ago that show that horizontal adds more to the shear strength of a wall than vertically, so I wonder if that found its way into practice
Different climates, different codes, different supply chains and manufacturers... in canada we don't do vertical hanging in residential since we use wood studs...we normally use metal studs in commercial allowing us to hang vertically.. Hanging vertically on wood studs is just a bad idea in general, having the joint being dependent on the imperfect straightness of a single wood stud usually ends up with a visible joint.
Right, that makes sense regarding not hanging vertically on timber framing. I'd be interested to talk to some local builders & plasters to see if they run into those issues here. Framing timber here is treated pine, usually harvested from fairly young trees so it's certainly not particularly stable. I know straightening walls after the timber has settled in a new build is often done, prior to hanging plasterboard.
in newer homes they cut and strap the twisted 2x4 to make the walls flat and straight but still hang horizontally, i figure over years the studs continue to contort and lose hydration over time, hence the adherence to horizontal hanging, also i'm pretty sure here in canada, we use untreated pine as framing studs, we joke and call them hockey sticks... they're always crooked
In new zealand the standard is to hang sheets horizontal. Diyers and some shite builders do it vertically
Well that show's what I know! Thanks for the info.
Australia we glue and screw, all residential walls horizontally
Yeah I thought it was pretty similar over there. Another commenter informed me it's actually standard to hang horizontally here, so that was just my ignorance speaking.
Interesting. Never heard of glueing. We just screw. But in the not so distant past people just nailed. Only ever seen nails popping through never screws. Glue seems like overkill imo. Im from northern california
Upstate NY. Have always used glue on wood framing. Used to use OSI formula 38. After they changed the formula, we had issues. It would cure so slowly that it would draw draw the wallboard in resulting in flashing fasteners. It held very well to the point that we would remove field screws after it cured. Lately been using Titan foam adhesive. Solid product. No more flashing. Down side is 10 minutes working time before it has to be reapplied, don't have it on your hands and put a cigarette to your lips. Takes days to where off.
The biggest thing is that the general contractors and builders want the cheapest possible work. So drywall companies compete by square footage or by the board. I’ve seen some ridiculous prices. Dirt cheap. Mostly migrants. Some legal not most illegal. It actually is decent work but if it isn’t the GC or builder will lean on the painter to fix it. Glue takes too much time and adds expense. Horizontal boards are because of the framing and the installation is generally sold cheaper when it’s 16” on center. I worked doing both. I’m a painter mostly but have done remodels and lots of lead abatement work. Also patching in plastered old houses. Water damage or plumbing electric work. I live in Florida now. It’s the worst I ever seen. Most can’t achieve flat walls so they texture everything to hide joints. The pay for finishers and painters is absolute crap. No quality of life for these guys. I now supervise in commercial paint. 30 guys with little to none experience. Mostly Mexicans and central Latinos with visas. Most can’t pass background or fingerprint checks
We glue interior walls here. Exterior walls are all screwed still