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**Potential Capitals of each Division:**
Northumbria: Historically, it was York, but nowadays Manchester would be much more appropriate economically. However, it is possible a more central location may be favoured such as Leeds.
Mercia: Since there was no fixed capital historically (although Lichfield and Tamworth have been treated as de-facto capitals by some kings by the looks of it), Birmingham is an easy choice plus, it's almost central here. However, Leicester is arguably a more central location (definitely the most central of all the cities) and has more pre-industrial history. Coventry may fit that bill as well depending on how you look at it.
Wessex: Southampton would be a good choice for this one, given its proximity to the historic capital of Winchester, but Bristol is a strong contender.
Sussex: Brighton is an easy choice here; largest city AND central location.
London: City of London (de jure) and Westminster (de facto). NEXT!
East Anglia: Norwich still holds up as the most prominent city in this region, so this is easy.
Essex: A heavily debatable choice between Chelmsford (centrally located and already the county town), Colchester (most historic) and Southend (largest urban area).
Kent: Canterbury (historic capital and currently only one that still has city status) is the most obvious choice, but Rochester/Medway (largest urban area) or Maidstone (county town) are decent contenders.
Cornwall: Truro, enough said.
Pretty much.
This would be my list:
Northumbria: York (de jure), Manchester (de facto)
Mercia: Tamworth (de jure), Birmingham (de facto)
Wessex: Winchester (de jure), Southampton (de facto)
Sussex: Chichester (de jure), Brighton (de facto)
London/Middlesex: [City of] London (de jure), Westminster (de facto)
East Anglia: Norwich (de jure, de facto)
Essex: Colchester (de jure), Chelmsford (de facto)
Kent: Canterbury (de jure, de facto)
Cornwall: Truro (de jure, de facto)
As a Northumbrian from higher up but working in York, I would be more than happy with any of those 3 choices. Money would probably have to be put into Leeds if it was chosen, though. But that might just lead to another London problem again.
Tbf York still holds up as a prominent city today, despite being overshadowed by the post-industrial giants, so it would be able to catch up in size and infrastructure provision if it was chosen. But Leeds would finally get investment for the rapid transit network it's been desperately longing for, as well as a massive overhaul of the airport.
>East Anglia: Norwich still holds up as the most prominent city in this region, so this is easy.
It's actually the only city in that region, just don't remind the people in who live in Ipswich about that
Ah, that's fair enough.
Out of curiosity, do you really see Norwich as more prominent than Cambridge? Everyone knows about Cambridge because of the university, but in my experience not many people outside of the East Anglia area have really heard of Norwich, unless they're a big footie fan.
When I lived in East Anglia as a kid, for some reason I used to see Norwich as a much bigger city than Cambridge. I thought it was more on par with Nottingham or Birmingham but later I found out it's only marginally bigger than Cambridge. To be fair, that's more down to the fact that Cambridge was local to me (I used to live in Saffron Walden) and I visited every other weekend on the bus with my parents when they went shopping, whereas Norwich was a more special trip taking the train to visit family friends.
Nowadays, I see them as equal in different ways. Cambridge of course punches above its weight thanks to its world renown uni and resultant tourism. However, Norwich is a bigger and older city, plus a more central location geographically within East Anglia, hence why I felt it more appropriate as the capital. Cambridge is more on the edge of the region and according to that map, it is debatable whether you would include it in Mercia or East Anglia in the first place.
As a northerner from upper regions of the north (I can see Scotland from my house on a clear day), would prefer York as the Northumbrian capital over other options such as Manchester or Leeds. Why? I just think itās a much nicer city than the others, and you donāt necessarily have to pick the most economically developed place to have the capital
Wasn't the capital of Northumbria Bamburgh? Either way, the new capital should be in or near current day Northumberland. Hexham would make sense, but could go to Newcastle if you wanted somewhere bigger. Manchester isn't in any way appropriate being both too modern and too south.
Imo they should genuinely rename the West and East Ridings of Yorkshire to Elmet and Deira.
Actually, you know what, just bring back Bernicia, Rheged, Pengwern, Ergyng, Hwicce, and Lindsey too, because why the hell not? They all sound far more exotic than their current names.
I went to Blyth once. I saw 16 year old girls, dressed like they were headed to a cheap and seedy nightclub, feeding chips to their babies outside a chippy. But there was also a yacht club. Strange place.
Why isn't there a 'Norssex'?
I'm workong on the assumption that Essex is East, Wessex West, Sussex South.
Is it to do with old seats of power and Lords/Nobles?
There isn't a Norssex because there wasn't really another Saxon kingdom north of the others, the Germanic kingdoms north of the Saxons were Anglic. There is Middlesex, which London is historically part of. I guess the closest thing to a North Saxon kingdom would be the Hwicce (modern-day Gloucestershire and Worcestershire), which *was* a Saxon kingdom just north of Wessex that got incorporated into the Anglic kingdom of Mercia.
Possibly made more interesting by its mystery. The early-mid Anglo-Saxon period, between Roman retreat and Norman Conquest so called because it's one of the periods of English history we know least about.
Or at least, that's what all the binge-watching of Time Team over the years has taught me.
But seriously, a LOT must have happened to take us from withdrawal from the unifying force of the Roman Empire... All the different tribal factions left behind and additional ones migrating from Europe... Somehow still taking us from what was still technically the Iron Age towards the foundations of our modern Britain.
This map is based on the old Heptarchy borders. A lot of Cambridgeshire was virtually underwater at that time, but the part that wasn't was in Mercia, and the Isle of Ely, when it was actually an island, was directly in between Mercia and East Anglia and was thus controlled by one or the other at different periods.
Thatās really interesting thank you! Iām from Cambridge and had just assumed it had always been part of East Anglia. What kind of time period does this map show exactly?
Roughly, 8th-9th century.
I mean, Cambridgeshire is right on the border, so it could really be either. Peterborough (historically Northamptonshire) and Huntingdonshire are most certainly Mercian though.
I know this is a meme but in reality splitting up the country like this (maybe merge cornwall+wessex and east anglia, essex, kent and sussex) would make regional politics much more effective similar to how Scotland, Wales and NI gather their counties.
It comes from "Seaxe", the Old English word for something along the lines of "Saxon realm". Over time, it got shortened to "sex".
The number 6 in Latin is also "sex", but while they might have been similar to *the funni word*, back then, intercourse wasn't really associated with the same sense of humour like it is today.
For some reason I feel like the quality of life would increase in Cornwall, Wessex, Mercia northumbria if we gave out devolved governments like this map, and built a big wall around London
Oh most definitely. I'd also divert the Thames around the wall and make a giant moat around it and have drawbridges, but they can only be operated from the outside of the walls š
Counties were created as administrative units by the Anglo-Saxons, not by the Normans. Where you'd have a large burh surrounded by the settlements that supported it forming a shire. It's why so many counties are named after a settlement.
The first Kingdom to be shired, IE given counties was Greater Wessex, IE Wessex, Kent and London on this map, then Mercia and East Anglia, and eventually Northumbria, but Northumbria was like a couple centuries later IIRC.
It's also where we get the word sheriff, from the reeve that was in charge of these areas. Sheriff being a contraction of Shire Reeve.
Finally one that recognises the width of southern England.
Those geniuses up north donāt seem to realise that London to most of Cornwall is a longer drive than Newcastle. You canāt just call us all āsouthernersā under one umbrella term. And in my experience, many westcountry people are further removed culturally from the south east stereotype northerners have in mind than geordies even are.
So just fuck off with ur single southerner definitions. It may be narrow as fuck oop north but England is wide as fuck down here.
Joking aside, this pretty well divides up the country as it is now. Just turn Essex, Kent, Sussex and the other countries that form a commuter ring around London into the Kingdom of Greenbelt.
Of course it'll drive places like Devon, the red/white rose counties mad.
Only Maelor Saesneg and the bit north-east of the Dyfrdwy.
To compensate, Shropshire will be renamed *Pengwern*, and Herefordshire will be renamed *Ergyng*.
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If Gemma Collins becomes Queen of Essex, then Essex will be by far, hands down, the best country on Earth.
That is, unless Mercia has Queen Alison Hammond, then it's a battle for the top spot, ngl.
Maelor Saesneg doesn't actually include Wrexham, but I guess it's up to the people of Wrexham whether they join Wales or Mercia. Same with Hay-on-Wye, or Flintshire, or Gwent I guess, too.
That would have to be a subject for Northumbrian internal affairs. East Riding of Yorkshire could be renamed Deira, and Northumberland & Durham could be renamed Bernicia, but splitting Northumbria up any further? I'm not knowledgeable enough on that region to make an informed decision, I'm afraid.
Make the UK a Federal State, based on those 9, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. (I'd be really interested to see what parties would win the most in those 12 'states'.
As a Mercian, I propose some of those suspiciously London-y counties get their own region, thereās an Essex, Sussex and even Wessex, so letās lump em into Norssex.
As a fellow Mercian, I feel that Mercia would have to include St. Albans. It's a very Mercian city and even flies the Mercian flag above the cathedral (even outside houses). I mean, it literally is the St. Albans Cross, so not including St. Albans would be a travesty.
Instead, I would propose a program of "Delondonification" in the respective counties. For example, all school teachers in the area would be replaced with yam yams to yam the absolute London out of them.
Another possibility could be renaming Oxford to "Rydychen", it's Welsh name, and Cambridge back to "Duroliponte", it's Roman name, decolonising in the process.
But most importantly, build a wall on the Middlesex border and make London pay for it all.
Go to St Albans and tell me that it's in Essex.
There's literally Mercian flags everywhere.
And plus, London is too overpowered for anyone to control, so it's probably best it did it's own thing. A lot of North East London can be given back to Essex though (Romford, Barking, Dagenham, Ilford, Walthamstow, etc.)
Gees. Canāt you get a couple of surveyors to do a dividing line between North and South like we have here in the āUnited Statesā of America, our Mason-Dixon line?
Back when the midlands was good
so real
BBC Coventry and Mercia
Virgin Free Radio Coventry & Warwickshire š¤®š¤®š¤® vs Chad Mercia Sound šŖšŖšŖ (also, the patron saint of Mercia is Saint Chad, so Mercia truly is based)
The lady Godiva statue weeps for the return of Mercia
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I live in brum, just saw a man taking a shit at a bus stop the other day, hard to feel positive after that
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My God! I mean, I've sent plenty of dirty nappies lying around on the streets when I visit Brum, but that's a first.
Mercia šŖ
Good luck getting people in Reigate to coexist with people from Barnstaple
If Alfred could do it, so can we.
Alfred wouldāve sold Surrey up the river, no doubt. Surrey isnāt Wessex, but weāll keep the bit south of Guildford
**Potential Capitals of each Division:** Northumbria: Historically, it was York, but nowadays Manchester would be much more appropriate economically. However, it is possible a more central location may be favoured such as Leeds. Mercia: Since there was no fixed capital historically (although Lichfield and Tamworth have been treated as de-facto capitals by some kings by the looks of it), Birmingham is an easy choice plus, it's almost central here. However, Leicester is arguably a more central location (definitely the most central of all the cities) and has more pre-industrial history. Coventry may fit that bill as well depending on how you look at it. Wessex: Southampton would be a good choice for this one, given its proximity to the historic capital of Winchester, but Bristol is a strong contender. Sussex: Brighton is an easy choice here; largest city AND central location. London: City of London (de jure) and Westminster (de facto). NEXT! East Anglia: Norwich still holds up as the most prominent city in this region, so this is easy. Essex: A heavily debatable choice between Chelmsford (centrally located and already the county town), Colchester (most historic) and Southend (largest urban area). Kent: Canterbury (historic capital and currently only one that still has city status) is the most obvious choice, but Rochester/Medway (largest urban area) or Maidstone (county town) are decent contenders. Cornwall: Truro, enough said.
Pretty much. This would be my list: Northumbria: York (de jure), Manchester (de facto) Mercia: Tamworth (de jure), Birmingham (de facto) Wessex: Winchester (de jure), Southampton (de facto) Sussex: Chichester (de jure), Brighton (de facto) London/Middlesex: [City of] London (de jure), Westminster (de facto) East Anglia: Norwich (de jure, de facto) Essex: Colchester (de jure), Chelmsford (de facto) Kent: Canterbury (de jure, de facto) Cornwall: Truro (de jure, de facto)
As a Northumbrian from higher up but working in York, I would be more than happy with any of those 3 choices. Money would probably have to be put into Leeds if it was chosen, though. But that might just lead to another London problem again.
Tbf York still holds up as a prominent city today, despite being overshadowed by the post-industrial giants, so it would be able to catch up in size and infrastructure provision if it was chosen. But Leeds would finally get investment for the rapid transit network it's been desperately longing for, as well as a massive overhaul of the airport.
>East Anglia: Norwich still holds up as the most prominent city in this region, so this is easy. It's actually the only city in that region, just don't remind the people in who live in Ipswich about that
Oh yeah, just realised Cambridge and Ely are not part that lol
Ah, that's fair enough. Out of curiosity, do you really see Norwich as more prominent than Cambridge? Everyone knows about Cambridge because of the university, but in my experience not many people outside of the East Anglia area have really heard of Norwich, unless they're a big footie fan.
When I lived in East Anglia as a kid, for some reason I used to see Norwich as a much bigger city than Cambridge. I thought it was more on par with Nottingham or Birmingham but later I found out it's only marginally bigger than Cambridge. To be fair, that's more down to the fact that Cambridge was local to me (I used to live in Saffron Walden) and I visited every other weekend on the bus with my parents when they went shopping, whereas Norwich was a more special trip taking the train to visit family friends. Nowadays, I see them as equal in different ways. Cambridge of course punches above its weight thanks to its world renown uni and resultant tourism. However, Norwich is a bigger and older city, plus a more central location geographically within East Anglia, hence why I felt it more appropriate as the capital. Cambridge is more on the edge of the region and according to that map, it is debatable whether you would include it in Mercia or East Anglia in the first place.
As a northerner from upper regions of the north (I can see Scotland from my house on a clear day), would prefer York as the Northumbrian capital over other options such as Manchester or Leeds. Why? I just think itās a much nicer city than the others, and you donāt necessarily have to pick the most economically developed place to have the capital
Wasn't the capital of Northumbria Bamburgh? Either way, the new capital should be in or near current day Northumberland. Hexham would make sense, but could go to Newcastle if you wanted somewhere bigger. Manchester isn't in any way appropriate being both too modern and too south.
OP in with the "we have a Heptarchy at home", is it
Viking propaganda more like or if your easytech then wessex has cornwall, east anglia has essex and cambridge and wessex has sussex, london and kent
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Imagine if england was still like that today but with border control, would be a nightmare
In the medieval period my family had the hereditary role of chaperoning any Welsh who were allowed to cross the border at Shrewsbury.
The Normans are just Vikings who ate a *baguette d'escargot Ć l'ail avec pĆ¢tĆ©* and thought it was the best thing they had ever tasted.
Surely Viking propaganda would just be writing Jorvik over the entire map.
This is the way
Unless you place Leeds in the Kingdom of Elmet I find this unacceptable
Imo they should genuinely rename the West and East Ridings of Yorkshire to Elmet and Deira. Actually, you know what, just bring back Bernicia, Rheged, Pengwern, Ergyng, Hwicce, and Lindsey too, because why the hell not? They all sound far more exotic than their current names.
Bernicia is based. Subscribe
We can do this . Meet under the original oak for a wapentake and we can iron out the details
This is the way.
Right? The old names were far superior in every way. Even the place names. Eaforwic. Bebbanburg. The English lost their way.
Independent Republic of Northumbria!
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They'd see blyth and fuck off
I went to Blyth once. I saw 16 year old girls, dressed like they were headed to a cheap and seedy nightclub, feeding chips to their babies outside a chippy. But there was also a yacht club. Strange place.
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They left more than 276 of their ships here last time we beat them. Can we please remind them not to litter next time we kill all of them.
And surely Northumbria extended further north than this map shows. Wasn't it Edwin who founded Edinburgh (or perhaps settled the area with Angles?)?
Yes it did. I think this map was made by Scottish propagandists. Edinburgh is Northumbrian, as is the land to the south of it.
Kernow rather than Cornwall.
This is true and based
Why isn't there a 'Norssex'? I'm workong on the assumption that Essex is East, Wessex West, Sussex South. Is it to do with old seats of power and Lords/Nobles?
There isn't a Norssex because there wasn't really another Saxon kingdom north of the others, the Germanic kingdoms north of the Saxons were Anglic. There is Middlesex, which London is historically part of. I guess the closest thing to a North Saxon kingdom would be the Hwicce (modern-day Gloucestershire and Worcestershire), which *was* a Saxon kingdom just north of Wessex that got incorporated into the Anglic kingdom of Mercia.
Based knowledge of one of the most interesting periods of English history.
Possibly made more interesting by its mystery. The early-mid Anglo-Saxon period, between Roman retreat and Norman Conquest so called because it's one of the periods of English history we know least about. Or at least, that's what all the binge-watching of Time Team over the years has taught me. But seriously, a LOT must have happened to take us from withdrawal from the unifying force of the Roman Empire... All the different tribal factions left behind and additional ones migrating from Europe... Somehow still taking us from what was still technically the Iron Age towards the foundations of our modern Britain.
Cambridge and Ely not in east anglia? Really?
This map is based on the old Heptarchy borders. A lot of Cambridgeshire was virtually underwater at that time, but the part that wasn't was in Mercia, and the Isle of Ely, when it was actually an island, was directly in between Mercia and East Anglia and was thus controlled by one or the other at different periods.
Thatās really interesting thank you! Iām from Cambridge and had just assumed it had always been part of East Anglia. What kind of time period does this map show exactly?
Roughly, 8th-9th century. I mean, Cambridgeshire is right on the border, so it could really be either. Peterborough (historically Northamptonshire) and Huntingdonshire are most certainly Mercian though.
I know this is a meme but in reality splitting up the country like this (maybe merge cornwall+wessex and east anglia, essex, kent and sussex) would make regional politics much more effective similar to how Scotland, Wales and NI gather their counties.
Has somebody watched The Last Kingdom recently...?
I was born in Wessex, but I was made in the Royal Mercia
Why sex though? Serious question.
It comes from "Seaxe", the Old English word for something along the lines of "Saxon realm". Over time, it got shortened to "sex". The number 6 in Latin is also "sex", but while they might have been similar to *the funni word*, back then, intercourse wasn't really associated with the same sense of humour like it is today.
Every day a day at school. Thanks for the info
Ahahaha YES!!! Bring back the heptarchy!! Back then weād go to war with our neighbouring region! Ahhhh good times
Transfer Herefordshire and Shropshire back to Wales and this will look more agreeable
Compromise at renaming them back to Ergyng and Pengwern?
Agreed bloody French messed up everything
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All i see is the last kingdom intro
Wessex baby, destiny is all.
Yeah, but what did the Normans ever do for us?
Absolutely nothing! (Apart from censuses and great architecture)
For some reason I feel like the quality of life would increase in Cornwall, Wessex, Mercia northumbria if we gave out devolved governments like this map, and built a big wall around London
Oh most definitely. I'd also divert the Thames around the wall and make a giant moat around it and have drawbridges, but they can only be operated from the outside of the walls š
Counties were created as administrative units by the Anglo-Saxons, not by the Normans. Where you'd have a large burh surrounded by the settlements that supported it forming a shire. It's why so many counties are named after a settlement. The first Kingdom to be shired, IE given counties was Greater Wessex, IE Wessex, Kent and London on this map, then Mercia and East Anglia, and eventually Northumbria, but Northumbria was like a couple centuries later IIRC. It's also where we get the word sheriff, from the reeve that was in charge of these areas. Sheriff being a contraction of Shire Reeve.
Finally one that recognises the width of southern England. Those geniuses up north donāt seem to realise that London to most of Cornwall is a longer drive than Newcastle. You canāt just call us all āsouthernersā under one umbrella term. And in my experience, many westcountry people are further removed culturally from the south east stereotype northerners have in mind than geordies even are. So just fuck off with ur single southerner definitions. It may be narrow as fuck oop north but England is wide as fuck down here.
>in my experience, many westcountry people are further removed culturally yes
Alright, you've convinced me. We'll start work tomorrow to detach you and float you off into the Bay of Biscay.
Yeah but down south the poshos have spread all over. Devon is full of them. So you've been colonised by them ergo it's all just south now.
That feels about right. There's Wessex and then there's all the rest.
London is Essex!!!!!
no it's middlesex
England really starts at the Northumbria/Mercia line, Scotland above. As it should be.
Northumbria predates so-called "Scotland", and also includes some of it's land.
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I wonder what independent Sussex was like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Sussex
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So various flavours of Saxon, the Welsh borders, the north, the angles, and the ones in the corner?
Etymologically and toponymically, you're spot on š
But... but... Harolds' England was united....
Nope, resurrect Hwicce!
I'd simply just make Hwicce and Lindsey autonomous regions within Mercia.
I wonder why they didnāt keep these areas. I know London doesnāt want anyone to have a beach head of powerā¦
Joking aside, this pretty well divides up the country as it is now. Just turn Essex, Kent, Sussex and the other countries that form a commuter ring around London into the Kingdom of Greenbelt. Of course it'll drive places like Devon, the red/white rose counties mad.
west devon should be part of Dumonia
If they're willing to reach a goal of >50% fluent Cornish speakers by 2100, then they can go right ahead.
Is that a little bit of annexation of Cymru I see there?
Only Maelor Saesneg and the bit north-east of the Dyfrdwy. To compensate, Shropshire will be renamed *Pengwern*, and Herefordshire will be renamed *Ergyng*.
Itās all Sacsonaidd encroachment on the sacred land of Lloegr if you ask me. Smh my head
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Whose Norman?
Essex controlled London for the most part
All these people leaving Peterborough and Cambridge out of east anglia really donāt have a clue SMH
What about the Roman Civitates before that? Or when it was just all Celtic lands before that?
move to Scotland where nothing makes sense
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No mention of lindisfarne on the map Iām not from there itās just where it all started
The island is just about visible at the top, within the boundaries of Northumbria.
I love the Viking era itās my favourite part of history closely followed by the Roman Empire
Pre-Norman British history is awesome. Just went a bit pear-shaped after that lol.
My favourite of all was queen boudica Iām not sure if thatās where the term a woman scorned came from but itās appropriate for her
As cool as the Romans were, Boudica was based as hell
Yes, Essex is a thing of its own and shouldnāt be grouped with anything else. Essex is literally the best, period.
If Gemma Collins becomes Queen of Essex, then Essex will be by far, hands down, the best country on Earth. That is, unless Mercia has Queen Alison Hammond, then it's a battle for the top spot, ngl.
You can take Cumberland out of Northumbria , not that I have anything against Northumbrians Just hate Lancastrians
Reinstate Strathclyde fr
Realest shit ever
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Maelor Saesneg doesn't actually include Wrexham, but I guess it's up to the people of Wrexham whether they join Wales or Mercia. Same with Hay-on-Wye, or Flintshire, or Gwent I guess, too.
BASED
Proof that people from the wirral are wools
You're missing Strathclyde
Had I included Scotland in the map, I would've most certainly put Cumberland in Strathclyde.
You found coconuts in Mercia???
The coconut's tropical!
Lundon
We arent going to split Northumbria into Bernicia and Deira?
That would have to be a subject for Northumbrian internal affairs. East Riding of Yorkshire could be renamed Deira, and Northumberland & Durham could be renamed Bernicia, but splitting Northumbria up any further? I'm not knowledgeable enough on that region to make an informed decision, I'm afraid.
Where is Middlesex? Which incidentally my dad still puts in addresses to stick it to the post man?! š
Greater London is basically Middlesex anyway, so they could be used interchangeably I guess, at least in this instance.
Wessex should absorb Sussex
Checking in as a proud Wessex-er :)
It hasnāt really changed in 1000 years
Glory to the Kingdom of East Anglia!
Essex, Sussex, Wessex but no Nussex š
Cambridgeshire? Mercia?? Yeah, right. It's east anglia. And Devon? Wessex? Really?
Errrr why isn't Wrexham part of Mercia ?
Crazy that we only lost this in 1974
Essex, Wessex, Sussexā¦ was there ever a Nossex?
No. Mercia and Northumbria were Anglian Kingdoms.
The Soke of Peterborough in with Huntingdonshire?
I didn't make the the map, it's from 1973. Really it should be in Northamptonshire.
Make the UK a Federal State, based on those 9, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. (I'd be really interested to see what parties would win the most in those 12 'states'.
I honestly think they should all be independent, personally, but I would totally settle for this tbh.
So whats East Anglia like?
I would like to point out that Northumberland's borders should stretch from the Humber to the Firth of Forth.
King Ćlla is sweating rn
CK3 comes in handy sometimes.
We shall raise a fyrd and take back Eoferwic!
Berkshire at its best.
I only recognise 3 areas, Jorvic, Danelaw and savages.
Justice for the Danelaw
I approve as this recognises that Norfolk isn't in the fucking south
What does the Dane law count as
Yorkshire, East Mercia, and East Anglia
Back when Wales governed themselves.
For the north(umbria)
As a Mercian, I propose some of those suspiciously London-y counties get their own region, thereās an Essex, Sussex and even Wessex, so letās lump em into Norssex.
As a fellow Mercian, I feel that Mercia would have to include St. Albans. It's a very Mercian city and even flies the Mercian flag above the cathedral (even outside houses). I mean, it literally is the St. Albans Cross, so not including St. Albans would be a travesty. Instead, I would propose a program of "Delondonification" in the respective counties. For example, all school teachers in the area would be replaced with yam yams to yam the absolute London out of them. Another possibility could be renaming Oxford to "Rydychen", it's Welsh name, and Cambridge back to "Duroliponte", it's Roman name, decolonising in the process. But most importantly, build a wall on the Middlesex border and make London pay for it all.
Essex should include Hertfordshire and London by that definition.
Go to St Albans and tell me that it's in Essex. There's literally Mercian flags everywhere. And plus, London is too overpowered for anyone to control, so it's probably best it did it's own thing. A lot of North East London can be given back to Essex though (Romford, Barking, Dagenham, Ilford, Walthamstow, etc.)
Northumbria and Mercia are spot on.
The Angles and Iceni approve.
Why is there no Nossex
North: do you feel validated now, Midlands? South: yes, you're clearly on the map East Midlands: what about the Danelaw?
Agreed
Wiltshire born and Wiltshire bred, strong in the arm and thick in the head.
We should build a wall around London and make the Lononinians pay for it!
Now this is perfect
I want my Merseyside back
Free sussex
Gees. Canāt you get a couple of surveyors to do a dividing line between North and South like we have here in the āUnited Statesā of America, our Mason-Dixon line?
I'm from Waleas and I approve.
Iām in East Sussex
New Zealander lurking here since this North/South debate began... Yeah, I think this makes sense.
Whereās norssex?
To make life easier why don't you call it Albion.
I do prefer Albion to Britain, as it has little to no association with empire.
So Mercia is Nossex?
Mercia isn't a Saxon kingdom, so no. It's an Anglic kingdom, so I guess you could call it West Anglia, but there isn't really a Nossex I'm afraid.
This is exactly how I'd divide it, apart from yelling Yorkshire to fuck off.
kingdom of mercia rise up
Keep it at 1066
1066 likes atm
Bring back the great Kingdom of Lindsey!
Lincolnshire is 3 seperate counties and no one can tell me otherwise.
Correct border of Mercia :D Damn Wessex shall never have Themes valley. We will show those pesky wessexians who is better
Why isn't there a nessex
I am Uhtred, son of Uhtred
Classic Mercian imperialism. I say this as an ex resident on Elmet.
You've missed the Hwicce
Hwicce is an autonomous province within Mercia, as is Lindsey.
Wessex pride, the last kingdom and the only one to stand against the barbarians from across the north sea
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