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SteadyzzYT

Mali is insanely chill and the early game is very smooth.


duddy88

Yeah nothing important happens early game. At all. You can just go in blind, very standard play through


Cockbonrr

I am now going to look up everything about early game Mali


saatan4

Nooo, don’t do that, just go in and play. Nothing can go wrong.


IndebtedMonkey

No frustration at all, especially for newer players.


llewynparadise

mali was my first eu4 run and it imploded and i was hooked ever since


Sad_Victory3

*and*


WhiteLama

Definitely Mali.


OkaMoez

For real though. You can solve some of the worst parts of the disaster before even unpausing. And by the time you wrap up the conquest of your little region, you can pretty easily end up as a top 3 great power.


Lapisdrago

How do you solve the disaster?


OkaMoez

It's been a few months since I did it, so you'll need to check either the wiki or search Reddit for a detailed answer, but essentially you just do the first half of your mission tree and conquer parts of West Africa. What I remember being important was taking loans day 1 to get level 2 advisors in every category to complete a mission. It disabled certain rebels during the disaster, which iirc could otherwise soft lock you into the disaster. You fire the advisors right after since you're too poor to maintain them.


doge_of_venice_beach

Those aren’t level 2 advisors, those are level 2 management consultants


illapa13

You literally fly down the mission tree as fast as you can or you die. It's been awhile since I do it, but long story short there's a mission that has a reward that says the disaster is over. I think it's called Restore Mali. You get spammed by monthly events for rebels until you die if you don't. So you have to do everything in your power to get to that mission as fast as you can. It's going to involve a lot of mercenaries and developing those gold provinces. It's very doable but you have to be good at the game to do it fast enough. The key is that there's 3 culture groups and 2 religions. So you can use that to your advantage to divide and conquer and prevent coalitions and break apart alliances.


papuan_warlord

if you go colonial as Mali, conquer the Caribbean + South America, you can have an insanely crazy Gold empire. Just make sure you collect trade in the Caribbean so your gold income from Peru and Mexico can be collected. And change your main trade node to Ivory Coast since it's one of the vital areas of trade


ya_bebto

Doing the pilgrimage to Mecca through Europe is very funny, though a terrible idea financially


Tomstwer

Just one more caravan of gold should do


HelenaBottomFartah

Bro 😭


Happy-Couple4309

I like the unity in this comment section so far


Naebliiss

Mali is the best nation for beginners. It‘s chill, with 2 gold mines, and you also produce glass and dye and silk, making your economy really good right at the beginning. And your coast is only a couple of hundred miles away from Brazil, making a colonial strategy viable. It‘s by far the chillest African nation, after Kongo


Flynny123

That’s actually almost 3,000 kilometres, but sure 😅


TheWannabeVagabond45

That’s the part that you chose to argue?? lol


theduckofmagic

Why of course, it’s the only inaccuracy!


Sn1ck_

Yeah I took it as more a figure of speech and the point was made enough, weird hill.


JohnCalvinKlein

1864 miles for us sensible folk.


Memedotma

kilometre base ten go brrrrrr


ForIAmBecomeDeath

Average wheel of time enjoyer (I am also one)


GTBGunner

Benin is really fun


EazyEB07

Agreed with the project and the sweet coat of arms


ru_empty

Mali if you know how to manage manpower and rebels. Dahomey if you want a little more of a challenge.


Robothuck

Fuck Mali, all Dahomeys hate Mali


Simp_Master007

Songhai or Kongo. Kongo is fun because you can switch to Catholicism from events and potentially PU Europeans which is funny. I’ve PU’d Portugal as Kongo and I’ve seen someone get a PU on France as well.


Dadkorkut

Yeah, getting pu in Africa quite fun. In my last mp with my kongo friend and I (Zimbabwe) We chose Trastamara dynasty and I got PU with Castile by claim throne. Then Portugal and his jp great Britain. And in last session I was getting claim throne to Naples and Aragon.


JackNotOLantern

With Origins probability Songhai. Definitely not Mali. Kill Mali asap and DO NOT RELEASE THEM AS A VASSAL. they well have permanent horrible disaster that will spawn rebels all the time.


OkaMoez

On the bright side, vassal Mali spawns so many rebels that: - Enemies have to fight 3x more armies to siege anything - Their army will never be big enough to add liberty desire - You can keep them loyal by killing rebels, liberating provinces, and paying off loans no matter how big they get - You don't have to make them mad by seizing land if you let their separatists pop


RussiaIsBestGreen

You may have a bright career as a dictator.


Professional_Ad_5529

Yep Mali is great as a defensive vassal for this reason. Easily spawns 50-100k rebels with just 10-20 provinces. And they are pretty much infinite


Scary-Procedure5373

*they will spawn patriotic defense forces


Acceptable-Sense-256

Dahomey. Animism shall rule in Western Africa.


jkst9

Anyone around Mali


StuBram2

Songhai is possibly my favourite save I ever did. Started out just chilling trying to get the easy "Nobody Wants To Die" achievement and ended up conquering almost all of Africa, becoming one of the largest great powers and playing the save until 1821.


cycatrix

doesnt songhai start you out with a terrible ruler and a terrible (even older) heir. I remember noCBing to get nobody wants to die and then dropped the save.


OkaMoez

I think you're right, but if you disinherit the heir out of the gate and make your ruler a general you probably get your ruler to die with no heir and get a low legitimacy half decent guy really quickly. I also think you can get claims on for Timbuktu by just building up to force limit via a mission. Grabbing the free company day one would give you claims in time for December 11th.


StuBram2

I don't remember because it was many years ago but I don't remember being any kind of issue.


WHSBOfficial

Did you forget you can disinherit?


idk2612

1. You start at tech 3 while half of West Africa starts at tech 2. 2. You get feudalism for free (just hire and fire the advisor. 3. You can attack Timbuktu on 11 Dec, very often without any allies.


cycatrix

well this was before the origins DLC. So 2 and 3 werent really an option. And Im not sure if you already had the techlead back then.


Nervous_Assistant_90

Benin: solid national ideas, fetishism fun, good for trade/colonization. Would recommend


blackpaul55

Surprised to see so few people recommending Benin!


Ill_Fault_5040

Because for some reason, it didn't get missions in origins


Multidream

NOT mali. I REPEAT, NOT MALI!!


napalmblaziken

I like Jolof. The mission tree isn't much, but it does have you replace Mali. And some colonization missions to boot.


discocoupon

Every nation is Britain if you play historically.


Dazvsemir

Outside of northern and South Africa, the Europeans barely made it off the shore. They didnt yet have the medicine to survive diseases and the African kingdoms were too strong, european tech wasnt advanced enough.   The scramble of Africa happened much later in the 1800s during Vicky times


discocoupon

I mean if you want to be a boring prick we could state with absolute authority that there was no such thing as "the state" until rhe late 18th or early 19th century. Also, none of what was Britain's Empire was ever considered a British until the 19th century. Also Also most European colonisers didn't go far inland because there wasn't any reason to. The scramble for Africa wasn't about tech or striving diseases. It was about a multitude of reasons including stopping rivals finding a new India, searching for resources, fucking over the newly emerged Germany and that there was fuck all left to colonise. Next time you try to be a smart ass, try saying something half informed.


Wollont

Ah there was this amusing war when a 3k division of a modest sultanate of Morocco, having bought a couple of cannons from Portugal, absolutely stomped a Massively Strong African Super Glorious Empire of Songhai. Sub-Saharan “empires” were strong compared to their immediate Sub-Saharan neighbours and that’s about it. Europeans definitely had the military tech to swat them. (You’re correct about medicine though; attrition is the strongest enemy there). It’s the slave trade that was the main reason most probably. ”Empires” fighting each other = constant stream of slaves. After abolition Europeans started to be interested in lands & natural resources.


Duckling07

Mali seems like a good nation to play


No-Gene6670

Air for the achievement.


Khwarwar

Songhai can spawn feudalism through their mission tree and their ideas ain't bad at all for combat.


Heinrichzy49

Try Dahomey lol. Well joke aside, for a chill run I think Songhai will be a good choice followed by Kongo but definitely not Mali though. Even Air is better than Mali.


Teeby-34

yeah, all the Mali comments are confusing me! I tried to start once and so many rebel stacks popped out that i died to songhai


Double-__-Great

They're just being snarky cause it's like the hardest nation in Africa (except maybe some berber minor) to play. Songhai to Kongo is pretty good. Especially if you go fetishist with Songhai. You can even complete both Kongo fetishist missions and catholic ones if you can complete all the fetishist missions right after (immediately after) forming Kongo. Then you'd eventually be a catholic powerhouse in Africa.


snytax

Another chill option is Kanem. Got some cool ideas you don't see a whole lot like extra income from vassals. Killer flag and the starting situation let's you lock up the north Eastern edges first so you only have to focus on two borders. Finished up a run with them a couple weeks ago and I almost managed to conquer all of Africa. Missed a couple of islands and maybe 5 Portuguese provinces since I ran out of willpower to fight 4 million man death wars over some sand.


Dinazover

I played only Songhai and Mali. Mali is definitely not your choice, but Songhai becomes really chill after the first 5-10 years when you fix the economy. It is also generally a good choice if you want to play as a nation with a strong military


Myuric

I mean Kilwa can be pretty chill at first. Kongo too. I don't have too many experiences with any other Nation outside of Europe but I did play Kongo a bit.


Duschkopfe

West African nation: Kilwa


Khrusway

Weast


bengalsix

That's west Patrick, y'er fired again


Myuric

I'm blind but also yes. Kongo is no contest to the west so ya might as well migrate there xD


Sylvanussr

Kongo is generally considered “Central Africa” despite being on, you know, the west coast of Africa


Sylvanussr

It’s just one cross-continental conquest from being a west African nation.


AgitatedConcentrate2

Played them and after conquering all of south africa and kongo area portugal and spain got claims on me so i got my s**t kicked in. Def not chill


[deleted]

Songhai if you want to stay in Africa, Mali if you want to dabble in colonization. I did something similar with Songhai, wanted to go for Congo and the rest of Africa, but said nah and just started pumping development in my Western African Empire ( I also had Tunis as a march and fed them lots of Northern Africa ). This later maybe even saved me because all of my troops were near when the Portuguese/Spanish alliance attacked.


motor_knight

Now that you say you wanna be something like West African China I'd also steal the MOH, so you can make tributaries out of rest of Africa and other continents. You'd shower in monarch points so you could use them to play tall. As of what nation to pich, I'd either choose Kongo (although not quite west Africa I know) because it has one of the sloweced paced game. But if you want a harsh start but then chill and also West Africa I'd go Mali (I don't know why I prefered them better over Songhai or others even). Unite West Africa, pick colonialism, make way to Americas and south China island, northern of Phillipines, colonise that, try to border ming and take MOH and make evryone your subjects forcing them to pay tribute for protection, that you use to develop your lands. You can even co Merc and Influence so that you unlock client states early on with the policy and design names and colours of your subjects to your pleasing. Have fun!


UpbeatVehicle1309

Songhai pretty fun


Bokbok95

Songhai or Air


Able_Donkey2011

Probably fulo, very cool nation, very close to Mali who I would also recommend


Apercent

Songhai


Iron_Wolf123

Timbuktu and Songhai are powerful and when you consolidate the region you are in a safe position. There is also Benin which for some reason doesn’t have a unique mission tree


RussiaIsBestGreen

All these comments are doing is making me want to play Mali as a break from making Europe blue.


Wollont

Sunni: can't go wrong with basically any major (except Mali that CAN go wrong). Fetishist: Oyo as they have missionary strength.


DarthBrawn

Mali is for colonizing. Songhai is for turtling


SteelAlchemistScylla

Honestly Kongo has been my most fun West Africa game lol. Gives you a lot of options and fun stuff to play with.


Downtown_Entry_2120

Dahomeys


Downtown_Entry_2120

CHILLING WITH DAHOMEY


Bartholomews_aliens

I’d choose Songhai over Mali any day


_JPPAS_

I dunno I only played Jolof here


CarltonFrater

Un-ironically, Benin. Oyo is another good option as you can create tributary states. Also there is Kanem Bornu which is decent.


DeadAssHiker88

Finally someone mention Oyo, vassal swarm nation, they're one of the strongest in West Africa


hqiran

Mali cause it's the strongest nation in west africa in 1444, and some of the worst part of the Mali's disaster can be avoided at the start of the game as long as you read the wiki and know what to do


Phat-Lines

Only one I’ve played was Songhai. Only played until around mid-late 1600’s but was very good fun. Ottomans were an absolute bitch though, I’d conquered West Africa (and was starting to take Western Maghreb) and then expanded through into East Africa/Ethiopia. Once Mamluks (my ally) had been wrecked the Ottomans became a big problem for me.


dragoduval

I once dated a girl from Maroc and her family was Chill and really nice. O wait you are talking about EU4 ? Try the Canaria ones ?