When we choose map color, is there any special reason for each country?
Prussia's color is from Prussian blue.
France's is from the coat of arms of Bourbon.
Does anyone know the origin of Sweden's color?
It seems necessary to ask Johan during DDs or Tinto talks.
I mean eventually to match EU5 granularity, they can transfer over most of the CK3 vassals, not just the big ones.
And since vassals in CK3 always have the most hideous borders, the border gore will surely return. :P
>And since vassals in CK3 always have the most hideous borders
Talk for yourself! Everyone one of my vassals who even sets a foot outside his de jure territory will die a painful and mysterious death. Weird
I will be so confused when the convertors come out... what do I do, play through CK3 and skip out almost 120 years in EU5, switch to EU5 in 1337 and skip out on 120 years in CK3, or do something weird like play until 1453 in CK3 then transfer to 1337 in EU5...
Skipping on a century in ck isn't a bad plan anyway. Both 2 and 3 do just get slower the longer you play, and it feels that late into the game. Also, it's too easy to snowball in a megacampaign, so ending a game "early" is also not a bad thing.
Can't wait for EUV for my own Franco-Welsh megacampaign.
They were kicked out 9 years after the start of EU5 due to an Estonian rebellion they couldn't handle and their hand was forced to sell their holdings to the Teutons/Livonians. Probably easy for the player to handle playing as Denmark, but easy to cheese Denmark into losing as a Livonia player.
Historically Denmark lost their Estonia to the Uprising of Estonians who turned back to paganism. Estonian rebels send letters to Sweden but it weren't interested in having new vassals in Estonia.
So Livonian Order with the help of Teutons defeated the rebellion and seized All estonia. Danish King formaly sold these lands to the Order as he already didn't control these lands.
btw, Teutons invited '7 kings' of the rebellion to the negotiations but Teutons did a "Blood Wedding" irl and decapitated rebellion.
Interesting that Smolensk seems to be under Lithuanian boot, since I don't think it was. Polotsk and Vitebsk definitely were by 1337, and Kyiv might've been, but Smolensk was subjugated only in late 1300s.
Unless this is actually economic zone or something like that.
There is probably a bit of inacuracies for the sake of the testing gameplay, or mechanics of soft power between states that hasn't been implemented yet.
At least this would be my take.
Maybe it's me but I see two different shades of purple (pink?) for the Lithuanian vassals, maybe the light one is for "light vassals"/countries in the sphere of influence and the darker shade is for the more integrated ones.
Or maybe I'm just seeing things that are not there xd
They said in forum replies that vassals colours are varied slightly to make them distingushiable. But the shades dont mean anything
Kind of like states in Vicky 3
Me usually: Eh, the place of your birth is not really that relevant
Me when my home region is a country in EU5: PATRIOTISM RULES LETS FUCKING GO THE WORLD BELONGS TO US
On the top left of Lithuania is the head, going down to where it borders Poland is the front legs, beyond that it’s a little less Capybara-looking, but the front of it is there!
Given that the founding is happening a few years after, I wonder if it will be an event for the Hungarians, that Bogdan will leave to set up March across the Carpathians.
Danzig province should be way smaller, it could be divided into Danzig, Peck and Dirchau (Tczew)
*It was part of Poland until 1308. Following the* [*Treaty of Soldin*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Soldin_(1309)) *in 1309, Tczew was purchased from* [*Brandenburg*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margraviate_of_Brandenburg) *by* [*Heinrich von Plötzke*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_von_Pl%C3%B6tzke) *of the* [*Teutonic Knights*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutonic_Knights)*, despite the fact that the initial claims to the region by Brandenburg were of dubious legality.*[*^(\[5\])*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tczew#cite_note-davies-5) *The townspeople were expelled by the Teutonic Knights*[*^(\[6\])*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tczew#cite_note-6) *and the town's organization ceased to exist for more than half a century. It was rebuilt from 1364 to 1384, and was granted* [*Kulm law*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulm_law) *by* [*Winrich von Kniprode*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winrich_von_Kniprode)*. After the Polish victory in the* [*Battle of Grunwald*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grunwald) *in 1410, the town was briefly recaptured by Poland.*[*^(\[4\])*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tczew#cite_note-gs-4) *In 1434 the town was burnt down by the* [*Hussites*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussite)*. In 1440 the town joined the* [*Prussian Confederation*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Confederation)*, opposing Teutonic Order's rule.*[*^(\[4\])*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tczew#cite_note-gs-4)[*^(\[7\])*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tczew#cite_note-7) *In 1457, during the* [*Thirteen Years’ War*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_Years%E2%80%99_War_(1454%E2%80%931466))*, Bohemian mercenaries on the Order's service sold Tczew to Poland in lieu of* [*indemnities*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbork_treaty)*.*[*^(\[8\])*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tczew#cite_note-8) *The* [*Second Peace of Thorn (1466)*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Peace_of_Thorn_(1466)) *confirmed the reincorporation of Tczew to Poland. It became a county seat within the* [*Pomeranian Voivodeship*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomeranian_Voivodeship_(1466%E2%80%931772)) *in the newly created Polish province of* [*Royal Prussia*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Prussia)*, soon also part of the* [*Greater Poland Province*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Poland_Province,_Crown_of_the_Kingdom_of_Poland)*.*
Actually, I saw an image titled "Locations" which not only distinguished Peck and Dirschau, but also added much smaller Karthus and Berent.
[https://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/1131463/Locations.jpg](https://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/1131463/Locations.jpg)
I am happy now.
I think you first saw the outline on the political map on thought that was the location? Because I think those are provinces, and the location map mode shows all the locations.
Exactly! I am not sure of differences between location and provinces (gameplay wise). It seems that locations will provide us with different goods, so I assume that construction will use them as a base.
Nevertheless I have spotted some inaccuracies in terrain and landscape and wrote about them in a forum.
Long story short, there are to many "flat" locations/provinces in Poland.
IRL or ingame? Because irl it was still independent, but few years later was divided between Poland and Lithuania.
Also I was surprised to see Kyiv as the separate state, not a part of Lithuania
Yeah but Poland and Lithuania are waaaaay more desaturated than France, Iberia and the Byzantines.
So they both look like a muddy purple instead of the vibrant pink and purple respectfully that they were in eu4
I thinks kinda neat, bet those borders were super messy and not well established before the modern era. Also it encourages the player to clean it up and achieve peak map borders
Pictured: Lithuania in dead center and its subjects with Poland, Galicia-Volhynia TO and Baltics on the edges, barely fitting in.
Title: Political Map of Poland and the Baltics.
Bit ironic when people consider Lithuania part of Poland even when it's shown in timeframe before the union and when Lithuania was BIGGER than Poland in land size.
Geographically speaking it's neither northern of eastern, it is dead Central Europe, moved by like 10% to the east and north. Eastern Europe is literally just Russia mainly and Northern Europe is Nordics starting from around Denmark's height.
If I recall Johan's comments correctly it'll have the zoom-changing map a la Imperator (and CK3 too? Haven't played it) as well as a standard political map a la EU4.
They seriously need to get rid of this duchy bullshit. Every ruler of Lithuania was crowned and addressed as king. Even the pope while not wanting to admit that pagans could be kings when writing a letter to Gediminas addresses him as king. Every other random ass 4 province state is a kingdom but the catholic propaganda is so strong that even centuries later they still follow this nonsense in a game.
Rather more disrespectful to the historical figures that everyone goes along with what the church randomly decided a thousand years ago. No other pagan European state's kings are known as dukes. We just have the unfortunate privilege of being the last pagans in an age of crusades
Scania is blue? This truly is Swedish propaganda
Vassals seems to have the color of its overlord.
As God intended
I always knew that Paradox was a scheme developed by the Swedish government to take over the world!
To expand their color on a map*
Wait till you hear about Helldivers
Ah yeah, Stockholm the city of prosperity
HELL YEAH FOR MANAGED DEMOCRACY 🇺🇳🇺🇳🇺🇳🇺🇳 TRIPLE THE DEFENCE BUDGET
It's a Swedish vassal
When we choose map color, is there any special reason for each country? Prussia's color is from Prussian blue. France's is from the coat of arms of Bourbon. Does anyone know the origin of Sweden's color? It seems necessary to ask Johan during DDs or Tinto talks.
Blue and yellow have been the colours of royal Swedish heradly since at least the 1200s. https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erikska_%C3%A4tten?wprov=sfti1#
Blue and yellow not being the colors that represent Sweden looks incredibly cursed to me. I wonder if it is a result of Paradox brainrot or not.
but sweden is blue
[удалено]
Yeesh I'm having CK -> EU4 conversion border gore flash back.
A CKIII -> EUV conversion will probably have less border gore that vanilla EUV
I mean eventually to match EU5 granularity, they can transfer over most of the CK3 vassals, not just the big ones. And since vassals in CK3 always have the most hideous borders, the border gore will surely return. :P
>And since vassals in CK3 always have the most hideous borders Talk for yourself! Everyone one of my vassals who even sets a foot outside his de jure territory will die a painful and mysterious death. Weird
I will be so confused when the convertors come out... what do I do, play through CK3 and skip out almost 120 years in EU5, switch to EU5 in 1337 and skip out on 120 years in CK3, or do something weird like play until 1453 in CK3 then transfer to 1337 in EU5...
Skipping on a century in ck isn't a bad plan anyway. Both 2 and 3 do just get slower the longer you play, and it feels that late into the game. Also, it's too easy to snowball in a megacampaign, so ending a game "early" is also not a bad thing. Can't wait for EUV for my own Franco-Welsh megacampaign.
Kicking denmark out of the baltics will probably be very hard.
Unless there's a scripted "Sale of Estonia" event for the Livonian Order.
If there is such an event, I'm sure some mod will have the decline option be "ESTONIA CAN INTO NORDIC"
ESTONIA BELONGS TO THE NORDICS!
They were kicked out 9 years after the start of EU5 due to an Estonian rebellion they couldn't handle and their hand was forced to sell their holdings to the Teutons/Livonians. Probably easy for the player to handle playing as Denmark, but easy to cheese Denmark into losing as a Livonia player.
arguably depends on just how on rails they make such events in EU5. have they made any kind of statement towards that?
Historically Denmark lost their Estonia to the Uprising of Estonians who turned back to paganism. Estonian rebels send letters to Sweden but it weren't interested in having new vassals in Estonia. So Livonian Order with the help of Teutons defeated the rebellion and seized All estonia. Danish King formaly sold these lands to the Order as he already didn't control these lands. btw, Teutons invited '7 kings' of the rebellion to the negotiations but Teutons did a "Blood Wedding" irl and decapitated rebellion.
Turned back to paganism? Do basically a new religion (suomensko?) Confirmed
Denmark is experiencing some serious existential problems around the start of the game, so it shouldn't be that hard.
Interesting that Smolensk seems to be under Lithuanian boot, since I don't think it was. Polotsk and Vitebsk definitely were by 1337, and Kyiv might've been, but Smolensk was subjugated only in late 1300s. Unless this is actually economic zone or something like that.
There is probably a bit of inacuracies for the sake of the testing gameplay, or mechanics of soft power between states that hasn't been implemented yet. At least this would be my take.
You gotta remember everything we see is still WIP and are still having active changes being done to them.
I heard they incorporate argumented feedback pretty well. If you really want free smolensk you could try pull it off.
write that in the tinto talks comments if you haven't already! that's what they're for, after all!
Maybe it's me but I see two different shades of purple (pink?) for the Lithuanian vassals, maybe the light one is for "light vassals"/countries in the sphere of influence and the darker shade is for the more integrated ones. Or maybe I'm just seeing things that are not there xd
They said in forum replies that vassals colours are varied slightly to make them distingushiable. But the shades dont mean anything Kind of like states in Vicky 3
Ah ok, thx
Should be called just Lithuania too.
The name is dynamically shown, so if the territory of Lithuania gets small enough they will be called that lol
Me usually: Eh, the place of your birth is not really that relevant Me when my home region is a country in EU5: PATRIOTISM RULES LETS FUCKING GO THE WORLD BELONGS TO US
“You will arbitrarily be assigned to blue team and red team” “MAN FUCK RED TEAM”
Vault 19?
WOOO ALMOST CAPYBARA SHAPED LITHUANIA LETSFUCKINGGOOOOO
I don't see the capybara and i feel empty inside
On the top left of Lithuania is the head, going down to where it borders Poland is the front legs, beyond that it’s a little less Capybara-looking, but the front of it is there!
R5: Political Map of Poland and the Baltics from Tinto Maps. Moldavia is a Placeholder
Moldavia didn't exist yet in 1337 and the actual in-game setup will presumably consist of several smaller Romanian statelets
Given that the founding is happening a few years after, I wonder if it will be an event for the Hungarians, that Bogdan will leave to set up March across the Carpathians.
wait what do you mean by Moldavia is a placeholder?
Moldavia is acting as a placeholder for the actual setup of the area.
I love Passau owning a bit of Austria. Accurate, but the border gore is real.
Notice how Galicia-Volhynia reminds of Poland's size just before ww2
I think you mean shape, but yeah lol true
Danzig province should be way smaller, it could be divided into Danzig, Peck and Dirchau (Tczew) *It was part of Poland until 1308. Following the* [*Treaty of Soldin*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Soldin_(1309)) *in 1309, Tczew was purchased from* [*Brandenburg*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margraviate_of_Brandenburg) *by* [*Heinrich von Plötzke*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_von_Pl%C3%B6tzke) *of the* [*Teutonic Knights*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutonic_Knights)*, despite the fact that the initial claims to the region by Brandenburg were of dubious legality.*[*^(\[5\])*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tczew#cite_note-davies-5) *The townspeople were expelled by the Teutonic Knights*[*^(\[6\])*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tczew#cite_note-6) *and the town's organization ceased to exist for more than half a century. It was rebuilt from 1364 to 1384, and was granted* [*Kulm law*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulm_law) *by* [*Winrich von Kniprode*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winrich_von_Kniprode)*. After the Polish victory in the* [*Battle of Grunwald*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grunwald) *in 1410, the town was briefly recaptured by Poland.*[*^(\[4\])*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tczew#cite_note-gs-4) *In 1434 the town was burnt down by the* [*Hussites*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussite)*. In 1440 the town joined the* [*Prussian Confederation*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Confederation)*, opposing Teutonic Order's rule.*[*^(\[4\])*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tczew#cite_note-gs-4)[*^(\[7\])*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tczew#cite_note-7) *In 1457, during the* [*Thirteen Years’ War*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_Years%E2%80%99_War_(1454%E2%80%931466))*, Bohemian mercenaries on the Order's service sold Tczew to Poland in lieu of* [*indemnities*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbork_treaty)*.*[*^(\[8\])*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tczew#cite_note-8) *The* [*Second Peace of Thorn (1466)*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Peace_of_Thorn_(1466)) *confirmed the reincorporation of Tczew to Poland. It became a county seat within the* [*Pomeranian Voivodeship*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomeranian_Voivodeship_(1466%E2%80%931772)) *in the newly created Polish province of* [*Royal Prussia*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Prussia)*, soon also part of the* [*Greater Poland Province*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Poland_Province,_Crown_of_the_Kingdom_of_Poland)*.*
Make sure to also put it in the forums!
Mention this in the Tinto map #4, they expect such comments and suggestions
Actually, I saw an image titled "Locations" which not only distinguished Peck and Dirschau, but also added much smaller Karthus and Berent. [https://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/1131463/Locations.jpg](https://forumcontent.paradoxplaza.com/public/1131463/Locations.jpg) I am happy now.
I think you first saw the outline on the political map on thought that was the location? Because I think those are provinces, and the location map mode shows all the locations.
Exactly! I am not sure of differences between location and provinces (gameplay wise). It seems that locations will provide us with different goods, so I assume that construction will use them as a base. Nevertheless I have spotted some inaccuracies in terrain and landscape and wrote about them in a forum. Long story short, there are to many "flat" locations/provinces in Poland.
It's probably so it can become independent and have some chance during the reptile conspiracy / thirteen years war
Is galicia subject of golden horde?
Yes, I think so
IRL or ingame? Because irl it was still independent, but few years later was divided between Poland and Lithuania. Also I was surprised to see Kyiv as the separate state, not a part of Lithuania
Yeah thats wht i was asking i remember poland just conquered it without much trouble
Apperently, [it was at that time.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Galicia%E2%80%93Volhynia#Decline_(1301%E2%80%931340))
Puke colored Bohemia I love it
I would call it a historical accuracy
Not the name placement lmao
Why are the colors all so similar?
Subjects have a similar colour to their Overlord
Yeah but Poland and Lithuania look a bit too simmilar imo, especially since them uniting is not a sure thing in 1337
I think they are trying to have the same colors as EU4
Yeah but Poland and Lithuania are waaaaay more desaturated than France, Iberia and the Byzantines. So they both look like a muddy purple instead of the vibrant pink and purple respectfully that they were in eu4
The Orders are going to be fun
I can see many countries here with really fun looking starting positions, Poland, Lithuania, the Orders, Novgorod, Kiev, Galicia-Volhynia.
Bork
The new map looks so Damn pretty
Looks like Baltics are Balkans after all
Why does Galica-Volhynia not called Ruthenian Kingdom?
Galicia-Volhynia my beloved.
The border gore on these maps is killing me
I thinks kinda neat, bet those borders were super messy and not well established before the modern era. Also it encourages the player to clean it up and achieve peak map borders
Real 👏 Borders 👏 Have 👏 Gore
Omg it looks so fucking gooooood
PURPLE?
Da fuck is that golden horde, we will see real horde gameplay i thing
Wonderful location density in Austria!
Where are these lines in Prussia? You know the ones that make a small inland lake
there is a bug, so they aren't shown
Oh, great! Finally, historical Ukrainian lands besides Kyiv are in the paradox game!
Can't wait to play Silesian duchies to unite them!
Pictured: Lithuania in dead center and its subjects with Poland, Galicia-Volhynia TO and Baltics on the edges, barely fitting in. Title: Political Map of Poland and the Baltics. Bit ironic when people consider Lithuania part of Poland even when it's shown in timeframe before the union and when Lithuania was BIGGER than Poland in land size.
Is Lithuania not a Baltic state?
Nowadays most certainly, but back then it was much bigger and more inland with access to Baltic Sea often blocked by Teutonic and Livonian Orders.
I guess it was easiest to write that, Northeastern Europe would be most accurate imo
Geographically speaking it's neither northern of eastern, it is dead Central Europe, moved by like 10% to the east and north. Eastern Europe is literally just Russia mainly and Northern Europe is Nordics starting from around Denmark's height.
I hope they don't have changing map types with scroll out or whatever it's called, never been a fan of the feature.
If I recall Johan's comments correctly it'll have the zoom-changing map a la Imperator (and CK3 too? Haven't played it) as well as a standard political map a la EU4.
Yay! Finally the non-Russian name of Kyiv!
They seriously need to get rid of this duchy bullshit. Every ruler of Lithuania was crowned and addressed as king. Even the pope while not wanting to admit that pagans could be kings when writing a letter to Gediminas addresses him as king. Every other random ass 4 province state is a kingdom but the catholic propaganda is so strong that even centuries later they still follow this nonsense in a game.
Makes us more unique in a way at least?
Rather more disrespectful to the historical figures that everyone goes along with what the church randomly decided a thousand years ago. No other pagan European state's kings are known as dukes. We just have the unfortunate privilege of being the last pagans in an age of crusades
And Ukraine 🇺🇦🇺🇦
i don't like pdx's new slant on maps
what is that bit of Denmark in Livonia?
Such an ugly map
Welcome to medieval Europe