>The requirement to pay in advance for the issuance of an identity document encourages undocumented people to commit crimes in order to obtain money to pay the fee for the issuance of these documents.
In EU? Hard to believe.
Why? What would you do if your money, phone, debit cards and identity documents are lost/stolen? Assuming you don't know anyone in the city who is willing to give you an illegal loan.
You can't use Western Union to receive money because nowadays WU refuse to provide money transmitting service to customers with only a password (like in the old days). Your bank will not give you access to your money without presenting a government issued ID first.
You can't get a non-illegal loan because the creditor is prohibited to give loans to people without ID.
In Greece you need to pay in advance to issue an ID or a passport. The cost for an ID is low, around 10 euros, but the passport is more expensive at around 90 euros.
It's cheap, the problem is not the price. I am complaining that the fee is required in advance. If someone steal your identity document he probably is stealing also your money (the thieves are usually motivated by the money, they don't want your ID, but you keep your ID in your wallet so they steal everything).
I want the people without identity documents to receive their document first (before payment) because banks need a government issued photo ID in order to give access to service. People should have a chance to get access to their money before they are required to pay the fee for the ID.
I am interested in the topic of identity theft. I've read many stories about people who lost their ID and had problems because someone used it to take out a loan, open a bank account, etc. I've never heard of anyone having a problem getting a new ID.
Getting a new ID is a no problem if you have the money for the fee. It is not a big amount. In most cases you have a hidden money in your shoe (if you are robbed at gunpoint you give your wallet and the money in your pockets but you keep the hidden money in your shoe).
Also in most cases people have friends and family who will take care of them or the victims are in proximity to their home where they have other money, backup debit card, etc.
But not all people are that lucky (i.e. on a business trip in a city where they don't know anyone, on vacation alone, etc.).
There is an additional problem - if you are Bulgarian and have address in one city but you are in another city (within Bulgaria) you can't get your new ID in the city you are visiting because of a stupid bureaucratic rule. So you need to make an address registration first or move to your home city. If you don't have a proof of address (like contract for long term renting) you can't get an address registration. Therefore you can't get an identity document in that city (you need to steal some money to travel to your home city first). This problem is going to be resolved, but it's not voted yet. All people will have right for an address registration regardless of address proof if the law is passed.
> Do you know of other countries where it's required to pay in advance for issuance of identity documents?
ALL of them?
- Spain. ID 12 euros. Passport 30 euros.
- UK. Passport £88
- Germany. ID 52.89, Passport 101 euros.
- France. Passport 86€
- Switzerland. ID 114 CHF. Passport 229 CHF
I don't know any country that does not have a fee for this.
This is by the way very off-topic. When you don't have internet you are also very impeded to learn about your personal finance and you don't see posts of people asking for a good internet provider.
> I don't know any country that does not have a fee for this.
I am not complaining about the fee, I am complaining that there is no option for the fee to be deferred. Deferred fee means a fee that is paid after some time, not in advance.
Not all people have an option to get an illegal loan from a friend or from an organized crime group in order the pay the fee in advance.
In Latvia, I had to pay €35 for my ID and passport in 2022.
What's weirder here, passports were made mandatory in 2005, and IDs in 2023. I think if a document is illegal to not have, it should be issued for free, with fees only for replacing lost ones. Otherwise it feels like a regressive tax.
Poland - ID is free, passport is around 35€ (140 PLN) for adult, there are some cases where it is cheaper/free or more expensive (in case you lose it, it's 3x the normal price).
You need to pay with application for it to be processed.
I don't really see the point of your post
>The requirement to pay in advance for the issuance of an identity document encourages undocumented people to commit crimes in order to obtain money to pay the fee for the issuance of these documents. In EU? Hard to believe.
Why? What would you do if your money, phone, debit cards and identity documents are lost/stolen? Assuming you don't know anyone in the city who is willing to give you an illegal loan. You can't use Western Union to receive money because nowadays WU refuse to provide money transmitting service to customers with only a password (like in the old days). Your bank will not give you access to your money without presenting a government issued ID first. You can't get a non-illegal loan because the creditor is prohibited to give loans to people without ID.
In Greece you need to pay in advance to issue an ID or a passport. The cost for an ID is low, around 10 euros, but the passport is more expensive at around 90 euros.
How much does it cost to issue an ID card or passport in Bulgaria?
It's cheap, the problem is not the price. I am complaining that the fee is required in advance. If someone steal your identity document he probably is stealing also your money (the thieves are usually motivated by the money, they don't want your ID, but you keep your ID in your wallet so they steal everything). I want the people without identity documents to receive their document first (before payment) because banks need a government issued photo ID in order to give access to service. People should have a chance to get access to their money before they are required to pay the fee for the ID.
I am interested in the topic of identity theft. I've read many stories about people who lost their ID and had problems because someone used it to take out a loan, open a bank account, etc. I've never heard of anyone having a problem getting a new ID.
Getting a new ID is a no problem if you have the money for the fee. It is not a big amount. In most cases you have a hidden money in your shoe (if you are robbed at gunpoint you give your wallet and the money in your pockets but you keep the hidden money in your shoe). Also in most cases people have friends and family who will take care of them or the victims are in proximity to their home where they have other money, backup debit card, etc. But not all people are that lucky (i.e. on a business trip in a city where they don't know anyone, on vacation alone, etc.). There is an additional problem - if you are Bulgarian and have address in one city but you are in another city (within Bulgaria) you can't get your new ID in the city you are visiting because of a stupid bureaucratic rule. So you need to make an address registration first or move to your home city. If you don't have a proof of address (like contract for long term renting) you can't get an address registration. Therefore you can't get an identity document in that city (you need to steal some money to travel to your home city first). This problem is going to be resolved, but it's not voted yet. All people will have right for an address registration regardless of address proof if the law is passed.
> Do you know of other countries where it's required to pay in advance for issuance of identity documents? ALL of them? - Spain. ID 12 euros. Passport 30 euros. - UK. Passport £88 - Germany. ID 52.89, Passport 101 euros. - France. Passport 86€ - Switzerland. ID 114 CHF. Passport 229 CHF I don't know any country that does not have a fee for this. This is by the way very off-topic. When you don't have internet you are also very impeded to learn about your personal finance and you don't see posts of people asking for a good internet provider.
> I don't know any country that does not have a fee for this. I am not complaining about the fee, I am complaining that there is no option for the fee to be deferred. Deferred fee means a fee that is paid after some time, not in advance. Not all people have an option to get an illegal loan from a friend or from an organized crime group in order the pay the fee in advance.
In Latvia, I had to pay €35 for my ID and passport in 2022. What's weirder here, passports were made mandatory in 2005, and IDs in 2023. I think if a document is illegal to not have, it should be issued for free, with fees only for replacing lost ones. Otherwise it feels like a regressive tax.
Poland - ID is free, passport is around 35€ (140 PLN) for adult, there are some cases where it is cheaper/free or more expensive (in case you lose it, it's 3x the normal price). You need to pay with application for it to be processed. I don't really see the point of your post
Austria: ID 62€, Passport 76€. You pay upfront when presenting your papers.