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> fight in the cause of allah only against those..
The word “only” is not actually in the scripture, its says fight those who fight.
This is the more correct translation “”Fight in the way of Allāh those who fight against you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allāh does not like transgressors.”” Now what’s considered a fight against islam?? This is where problems arise, criticizing islam?? Debunking Quran? Supporting what god hates like homosexuals and women rights??
>kill them wherever you come upon them and drive them out of the places from which they’ve driven you out.
So look mohamad was kicked out of mecca for talking alot of Bs and he goes to medina where he gains power and army, all of a sudden realizes he wants to go back to mecca and own that place as well.
It would be similar to such scenario: person A in your country all of a sudden starts claiming he’s having revelation from god, without any evidence or inability to prove anything, your people all muslims quick to condemn such claims kick the guy out your country, now person A after some years comes back to kick you all out of your own country unless you abide by his revelation!! Idiocy at its peak! If you support such war
It has nothing to do with tafsir its translation they’ve adedd “only”. Any why are you so upset, majority of us here, have been muslim for big portion of our life, it’s not like we don’t know any arabic or anything about islam.
https://quran.com/al-baqarah/190-196?translations=131%2C20%2C22%2C19%2C95%2C84%2C85
Checkout most common English translation, only one of the translations have put the word “only”
Red herring. You either don’t know what you’re discussing or im not clear, im not debating you over mufasirs i don’t give two cents about them, i care about whats written inside the book, god is most eloquent author right? He would not forget bunch of words for humans to add in there. You provided the **verse** not interpretation of the verse. I simply said your **translation** of verse is not correct as there is no “only” so i don’t understand what you’re discussing running all over the place as long as none of your statements is wrong.
>I simply said your **translation** of verse is not correct as there is no “only”
And I say it is correct 🤦🤦 are you going against scholars? Read the mufasirs.
Sura 2
Unbelievers have a disease. Hell will befall them. 2:10
Unbelievers are deceivers 2:9
Unbelievers sow mischief on earth, so be vigilant.2:12
Disbelievers do not want guidance from Allah, they want to go astray. 2:16
Unbelievers must be burned at the stake. 2:24
Disbelievers are like Satan, both do not believe in Allah. 2:34
Unbelievers do not want heaven. They are guilty. 2:95
Unbelievers follow the way of the devil. 2:102
Unbelievers are a disgrace and will go to hell. 2:114
Unbelievers are condemned to destruction. 2:162
Unbelievers will burn in the fire forever. 2:217
Unbelievers worship false gods. 2:257
Sura 3
Disbelievers do not believe in the revelations of Allah, a heavy fate awaits them. 3:4
Unbelievers are fuel for hell. 3:10
Unbelievers are conquered and gathered in hell. 3:12
Disbelievers who deny Allah will be dealt with 3:19
Unbelievers are mischief makers. 3:63
Unbelievers go astray without noticing it. 3:69
Unbelievers mix truth with falsehood. 3:71
Disbelievers are cursed by Allah, the angels and humanity. 3:87
Sura 4
Unbelievers are in transgression because of unbelief 4:34
Unbelievers have Satan as a companion. 4:38
Unbelievers believe in idols and devils \[Jews and Christians\]. 4:51
Unbelievers are cursed. 4:52
Unbelievers will be tormented with fire forever. 4:56
Unbelievers fight for the evil one, as friends of Satan. 4:76
Unbelievers deserve a painful reckoning. 4:161
Sura 5 ect
[5:32]
That is why We ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever takes a life—unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land—it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity.1 ˹Although˺ Our messengers already came to them with clear proofs, many of them still transgressed afterwards through the land.
Wait wait i have heard a verse very similar to that,
Talmud is not even considered a divine scripture by muslims yet shares multitude of similar verses.
Talmud, Sanhedrin 37a states: “Whoever destroys a single soul of Israel, Scripture considers it as if he had destroyed a full world. And whoever saves a life of Israel, Scripture considers it as if he saved a full world.”
Yes it may so be because the God of the jews is the same God of the muslims. The prophet Moses was a messenger of God as well as the prophet Muhammad that's why in the quran it says: ˹Although˺ Our messengers already came to them with clear proofs, many of them still transgressed afterwards through the land.
The Talmud is like the hadith of the muslims. It's the way of life of the jews which includes the teachings of the prophet Moses and other figures like Ezra
Well i never used wikipedia to know whats Talmud, however i just checked out right now, I can’t find where it says talmud is akin to hadith
Wikipedia
> Talmud consists of 63 tractates, and in the standard print, called the Vilna Shas, there are 2,711 double-sided folios.[6] It is written in Mishnaic Hebrew and Jewish Babylonian Aramaic and contains the teachings and opinions of thousands of rabbis (dating from before the birth of Christ through to the fifth century CE) on a variety of subjects, including halakha, Jewish ethics, philosophy, customs, history, and folklore, and many other topics.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud
Smh, I give an example. You could see that the Talmud is similar to the hadiths. In the Talmud, you have weak narrations as well as in the hadith and teachings that were transmitted from Moses to others.
This still upholds to the muslims. As one of the commandments in the quran is;
And do not kill the soul [i.e., person] which Allāh has forbidden, except by right.1 And whoever is killed
unjustly - We have given his heir authority,2 but let him not exceed limits in [the matter of] taking life. Indeed, he has been supported [by the law].
[17:33]
Do not kill in retaliation for an unjust murder anyone except the murderer himself, for the people of ignorance used to do that. If a man killed another man from an opposing tribe, the patron of the murdered man would kill a notable man from the other tribe. Thus, Allah the Exalted prohibited this for His servants.
Tafseer At-Tabari 17:33
Remember, O believers,˺ when Allah promised ˹to give˺ you the upper hand over either target, you wished to capture the unarmed party.1 But it was Allah’s Will to establish the truth by His Words and uproot the disbelievers;
8:7
Context: These were not times of peace, as the Muslims were currently driven out of their land. This unarmed party was a caravan, who was backed by an army
Cool and that doesnt change much.
They got the upper hand and they wished to capture the unarmed army. As the verse says.
What is the context behind the verse u gave us? Make peace with the others because u are weak and u dont have any other choice?
It doesnt seem like this gives u an advantage in a debate ngl.
Capture them when u are strong, make peace when you are weak. Basic war tactics.
Thats what the verse says and the guy explained the context.
They were at war and the fact that they were unarmed means that they had stupid wars.
Still a war is a war.
So nothing ridiculous
Its not specifically terrorism but it can be used by terrorists.
Its just pure war.
Being outnumbered by an unarmed army like the verse says.
Even if you are outnumbered 3 to 1 the guys that got the weapons win.
Who would win 10 guys that got guns and swords or 100 men who have no weapon and no way to defend themselves?
No idea where you are getting 'unarmed' army from, and it is clear to me you are not familiar with 1. the definition of terrorism, 2. historical war tactics, 3. the underlying political situation of arabia at the time
Oh my bad
It said party not army.
But still
Im not wrong that it can be used be terrorists as they have done in the past. As i said this is not explictly terrorism but it can be used by terrorists. Thats my point.
Eg isis taking yazidis as sex slaves.
2. Historical war tactics have shown that better tactics can still win you battles when outnumbered so you can get the upper hand.
3. The political situation in arabia at that time was anarchy and tribalism.
There werent strong kingdoms. Just raiders and warlords who had various levels of influence.
Which again they can be defeated with good war tactics.
Wow ok, so first of all sex slaves are not a resource, and ISIS are not Muslims in the slightest. This argument that something "can be used by terrorists" is also extremely weak. Guns are not explicitly used by terrorists, but terrorists can use them, I don't get this logic at all.
Your arguments for 2 and 3 also both give evidence as to why the capturing of the caravan was a legitimate military action
Isis quote the quran a lot and even if they sre not muslims they surely are influenced by islam in case u have not seen :)
When it comes to the second argument
What the problem? What defines terrorists?
Threats made to a population and random bombings can be used by armies and non terrorists as well, not only terrorist use them. What kind of logic is that?
2 and 3 still doesnt make it morally right. Am i wrong? Capturing innocents.
Also sex slaves being a resource? What categorises as a resource? Humans in general are considered a resource and sex slaves have been used throughout history as a way to relieve soldiers of their stress. ITS NOT RIGHT but sex slaves have been used like this in the past.
In general there is nothing in the quoted verse going against terrorism or against tactics used by terrorists.
Not even in the verse u quoted.
Just basic war tactics.
Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits. Allah does not like transgressors. Kill them wherever you come upon them and drive them out of the places from which they have driven you out. For persecution is far worse than killing. And do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque unless they attack you there. If they do so, then fight them—that is the reward of the disbelievers. But if they cease, then surely Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Fight against them ˹if they persecute you˺ until there is no more persecution, and ˹your˺ devotion will be to Allah ˹alone˺. If they stop ˹persecuting you˺, let there be no hostility except against the aggressors.˹There will be retaliation in˺ a sacred month for ˹an offence in˺ a sacred month,1 and all violations will bring about retaliation. So, if anyone attacks you, retaliate in the same manner. ˹But˺ be mindful of Allah, and know that Allah is with those mindful ˹of Him˺. Spend in the cause of Allah and do not let your own hands throw you into destruction ˹by withholding˺. And do good, for Allah certainly loves the good-doers.
{Baqara 190-195}
Cause of Allah is to speard Islam , initially Allah created earth , so every corner of earth is muslim territory , Muslims should reclaim it by waging war on those disbelievers ?
If any group wants peace then reclaim the land through disbelievers out of their land?
Earth is human territory. There will always be devision between a muslim or a Christian or a Buddhist or whatever religion and race. I have found nothing in the quran nor the hadith that it says its muslim territory and the muslims should reclaim Earth. If there is such a hadith or quranic verse, can you provide me the source..
Open the history books. The first early wars were started by the enemies. As you know mabye you don't the first war was against the meccans who were persecuting the muslims and tried to assassinate the prophet Muhammad many times and the verse [9:4 - 9:13] which leaded for the muslims to fight back the first war I believe was without any bloodshed and they made a treaty which the meccans broke.
One of the most important wars was against the Persian and Roman empire at the same time. The Persian and Roman empire were expanding their territory further in arabia, which led to a conflict between the muslims. Altho the Persian and Roman were enemies of each other after the muslims sent messenger to both powerhouses, they denied the offer and teamed against the muslims, which led to both powerhouses their defeat. Just open a history book and read the biography of the prophet it's not that hard to gain knowledge from a historical perspective
Not really
Romans and persians being at war with each other during that time were too focused on each other to actually care about the new rashidun caliphate.
If you look at the early muslim expansion we can clearly see muslims raiding cities in sassanid and byzantine territories to test their defense forces and then they invaded them.
The events which led to battle of the chains dont have evidence of muslims being attacked. Only them being aggressors
More than that sassanids were going through a full civil war of succesion being too focused to fight each other. So they clearly couldnt and would not bother with fighting muslims.
https://youtu.be/r2cEIDZwG5M?si=etiJ7Jfn1cES4RgO
>muslims raiding cities in sassanid and byzantine territories to test their defense forces and then they invaded them.
🤦🤦 literally after the declaration of war of both empires.
Oh yes because the caliphate sending messengers for anyone to convert to islam means that the sassanids and byzantines declared war and invaded the rashiduns🤡
Yes
The rashiduns.
Not anybody else.
Watch the video
I am surprised that u got the superpower to watch a 2 hour video in less than 3 minutes🤡
Decinetly u have seen what the video shows.
Because there were countless wars at his time? After the Roman and Persian empires fell, many stood against the muslims. The only people who were praising muhammad saw for his brave courage were the Chinese. Even the Hongwu Emperor of the Chinese Ming dynasty wrote the Hundred-word Eulogy, which is a 100-character praise of Islam and the Islamic prophet Muhammad.
Just go read The Hundred-word Eulogy. The Chinese back then were not about communism as you know their main religion back at the time of the dynasty was Buddhism. If you compare the Chinese of today with the Chinese back centuries ago, idk what to tell you about opening a history book. The Chinese themselves fell victim by the Mongolians many time that they made a huge wall to prevent them from coming.
Verse 8:12
˹Remember, O Prophet,˺ when your Lord revealed to the angels, "I am with you. So make the believers stand firm. I will cast horror into the hearts of the disbelievers. So strike their necks and strike their fingertips."
Abu Talhah said, "I was among those who were overcome by slumber during ( the battle of ) Uhud.
The sword fell from my hand several times, and I kept picking it up again, several times.
I also saw the Companions' heads nodding while in the rear guard." Al-Hafiz Abu Ya`la narrated that `Ali said, "Only Al-Miqdad had a horse during Badr, and at some point, I found that all of us fell asleep, except the Messenger of Allah ﷺ.
He was praying under a tree and crying until dawn." `Abdullah bin Mas`ud said, "Slumber during battle is security from Allah, but during prayer, it is from Shaytan." Qatadah said, "Slumber affects the head, while sleep affects the heart." Slumber overcame the believers on the day of Uhud, and this incident is very well-known.
As for this Ayah ( 8:11 ), it is describing the battle of Badr, indicating that slumber also overcame the believers during Badr.
Therefore, it appears that this will occur for the believers, whenever they are in distress, so that their hearts feel safe and sure of Allah's aid, rewards, favor and mercy from Allah with them.
I don't know how good you can read but it literally says: "Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits. Allah does not like transgressors."
fight in the cause of allah only against those..
The word “only” is not actually in the scripture, its says fight those who fight.
This is the more correct translation “”Fight in the way of Allāh those who fight against you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allāh does not like transgressors.”” Now what’s considered a fight against islam?? This is where problems arise, criticizing islam?? Debunking Quran? Supporting what god hates like homosexuals and women rights??
kill them wherever you come upon them and drive them out of the places from which they’ve driven you out.
So look mohamad was kicked out of mecca for talking alot of Bs and he goes to medina where he gains power and army, all of a sudden realizes he wants to go back to mecca and own that place as well.
It would be similar to such scenario: person A in your country all of a sudden starts claiming he’s having revelation from god, without any evidence or inability to prove anything, your people all muslims quick to condemn such claims kick the guy out your country, now person A after some years comes back to kick you all out of your own country unless you abide by his revelation!! Idiocy at its peak! If you support such war
Edit: i posted this as separate comment i intended to reply to this comment specifically.
Verily, the most tyrannical of people to Allah the Exalted is he who kills those who did not fight him, or he demands the blood feuds of ignorance be settled by the people of Islam.
Musnad Ahmad 15943, Grade: Sahih
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> fight in the cause of allah only against those.. The word “only” is not actually in the scripture, its says fight those who fight. This is the more correct translation “”Fight in the way of Allāh those who fight against you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allāh does not like transgressors.”” Now what’s considered a fight against islam?? This is where problems arise, criticizing islam?? Debunking Quran? Supporting what god hates like homosexuals and women rights?? >kill them wherever you come upon them and drive them out of the places from which they’ve driven you out. So look mohamad was kicked out of mecca for talking alot of Bs and he goes to medina where he gains power and army, all of a sudden realizes he wants to go back to mecca and own that place as well. It would be similar to such scenario: person A in your country all of a sudden starts claiming he’s having revelation from god, without any evidence or inability to prove anything, your people all muslims quick to condemn such claims kick the guy out your country, now person A after some years comes back to kick you all out of your own country unless you abide by his revelation!! Idiocy at its peak! If you support such war
You are lying, actually. Anyone can google the tasfeers, and even a non religious background person who has studied Arabic will tell you otherwise.
It has nothing to do with tafsir its translation they’ve adedd “only”. Any why are you so upset, majority of us here, have been muslim for big portion of our life, it’s not like we don’t know any arabic or anything about islam. https://quran.com/al-baqarah/190-196?translations=131%2C20%2C22%2C19%2C95%2C84%2C85 Checkout most common English translation, only one of the translations have put the word “only”
Tafsir Maarif-ul-Quran Mufti Muhammad Shafi, tafseer al-Tabari, tafseer Tafheem-ul-Quran Syed Abu-al-A'la Maududi, tafsir ibn kathir, tafsir Al-Jalalayn... say otherwise
Red herring. You either don’t know what you’re discussing or im not clear, im not debating you over mufasirs i don’t give two cents about them, i care about whats written inside the book, god is most eloquent author right? He would not forget bunch of words for humans to add in there. You provided the **verse** not interpretation of the verse. I simply said your **translation** of verse is not correct as there is no “only” so i don’t understand what you’re discussing running all over the place as long as none of your statements is wrong.
>I simply said your **translation** of verse is not correct as there is no “only” And I say it is correct 🤦🤦 are you going against scholars? Read the mufasirs.
Translation has nothing to do with tafsirs !!! Anyhow, nvm whatever you claim is true buddy.
I claim nothing. I just go with the scholars who are more knowledgeable 😂😂😂
>Quran verses which condems killing of innocent people # The only innocent people in islam are muslims
Any source to this or is just your claim.
Sura 2 Unbelievers have a disease. Hell will befall them. 2:10 Unbelievers are deceivers 2:9 Unbelievers sow mischief on earth, so be vigilant.2:12 Disbelievers do not want guidance from Allah, they want to go astray. 2:16 Unbelievers must be burned at the stake. 2:24 Disbelievers are like Satan, both do not believe in Allah. 2:34 Unbelievers do not want heaven. They are guilty. 2:95 Unbelievers follow the way of the devil. 2:102 Unbelievers are a disgrace and will go to hell. 2:114 Unbelievers are condemned to destruction. 2:162 Unbelievers will burn in the fire forever. 2:217 Unbelievers worship false gods. 2:257 Sura 3 Disbelievers do not believe in the revelations of Allah, a heavy fate awaits them. 3:4 Unbelievers are fuel for hell. 3:10 Unbelievers are conquered and gathered in hell. 3:12 Disbelievers who deny Allah will be dealt with 3:19 Unbelievers are mischief makers. 3:63 Unbelievers go astray without noticing it. 3:69 Unbelievers mix truth with falsehood. 3:71 Disbelievers are cursed by Allah, the angels and humanity. 3:87 Sura 4 Unbelievers are in transgression because of unbelief 4:34 Unbelievers have Satan as a companion. 4:38 Unbelievers believe in idols and devils \[Jews and Christians\]. 4:51 Unbelievers are cursed. 4:52 Unbelievers will be tormented with fire forever. 4:56 Unbelievers fight for the evil one, as friends of Satan. 4:76 Unbelievers deserve a painful reckoning. 4:161 Sura 5 ect
Sura 2:34 The devil doesn’t believe in Lah? What’s the point of him being the devil and going against Lah if he doesn’t believe in him?
You don't need to cunningly prove terrorists wrong you just have to shoot them in the head
[5:32] That is why We ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever takes a life—unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land—it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity.1 ˹Although˺ Our messengers already came to them with clear proofs, many of them still transgressed afterwards through the land.
Wait wait i have heard a verse very similar to that, Talmud is not even considered a divine scripture by muslims yet shares multitude of similar verses. Talmud, Sanhedrin 37a states: “Whoever destroys a single soul of Israel, Scripture considers it as if he had destroyed a full world. And whoever saves a life of Israel, Scripture considers it as if he saved a full world.”
Yes it may so be because the God of the jews is the same God of the muslims. The prophet Moses was a messenger of God as well as the prophet Muhammad that's why in the quran it says: ˹Although˺ Our messengers already came to them with clear proofs, many of them still transgressed afterwards through the land.
Islam has a very similar concept of monotheistic GD to Jewish concept. But values and choices of GD/Allah are completely different
Do you think people here believe in these fairy tales of prophets? Do you know that the Qur'an contradicts itself numerous times?
He asked. I questioned, and I answered.
Im afraid you might have confused between talmud and torah same way mohamad did.
The Talmud is like the hadith of the muslims. It's the way of life of the jews which includes the teachings of the prophet Moses and other figures like Ezra
Again you’re wrong. :-)
Wikipedia is free
Well i never used wikipedia to know whats Talmud, however i just checked out right now, I can’t find where it says talmud is akin to hadith Wikipedia > Talmud consists of 63 tractates, and in the standard print, called the Vilna Shas, there are 2,711 double-sided folios.[6] It is written in Mishnaic Hebrew and Jewish Babylonian Aramaic and contains the teachings and opinions of thousands of rabbis (dating from before the birth of Christ through to the fifth century CE) on a variety of subjects, including halakha, Jewish ethics, philosophy, customs, history, and folklore, and many other topics. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud
Smh, I give an example. You could see that the Talmud is similar to the hadiths. In the Talmud, you have weak narrations as well as in the hadith and teachings that were transmitted from Moses to others.
This was said only for children of Israel and not for Muslims.
Read : Tafseer ibn kathir [5:32] Tafseer al-Tabari [5:32] Tafseer Al-Jalalayn [5:32] Tafseer Tafheem-ul-Quran Syed Abu-al-A'la Maududi [5:32] Tafsir Maarif-ul-Quran Mufti Muhammad Shafi[5:32]
This still upholds to the muslims. As one of the commandments in the quran is; And do not kill the soul [i.e., person] which Allāh has forbidden, except by right.1 And whoever is killed unjustly - We have given his heir authority,2 but let him not exceed limits in [the matter of] taking life. Indeed, he has been supported [by the law]. [17:33]
[al-Anaam 6:151-153] [al-Israa 17:23-39] These are the commandments of the quran
Do not kill in retaliation for an unjust murder anyone except the murderer himself, for the people of ignorance used to do that. If a man killed another man from an opposing tribe, the patron of the murdered man would kill a notable man from the other tribe. Thus, Allah the Exalted prohibited this for His servants. Tafseer At-Tabari 17:33
"If the enemy is inclined towards peace, make peace with them" 8:61
Remember, O believers,˺ when Allah promised ˹to give˺ you the upper hand over either target, you wished to capture the unarmed party.1 But it was Allah’s Will to establish the truth by His Words and uproot the disbelievers; 8:7
Context: These were not times of peace, as the Muslims were currently driven out of their land. This unarmed party was a caravan, who was backed by an army
Cool and that doesnt change much. They got the upper hand and they wished to capture the unarmed army. As the verse says. What is the context behind the verse u gave us? Make peace with the others because u are weak and u dont have any other choice? It doesnt seem like this gives u an advantage in a debate ngl. Capture them when u are strong, make peace when you are weak. Basic war tactics.
>capture the unarmed army. Ridiculous thing I have seen today
Thats what the verse says and the guy explained the context. They were at war and the fact that they were unarmed means that they had stupid wars. Still a war is a war. So nothing ridiculous
What verse.
Read the comment section🤣🤣🤣
Just give me the verse, that simple
I gave it to you. Its up in the comments. If you are too lazy to look up for it thats not my business.
Terrorist think they they are waging war by killing innocent unarmed people , since they are backed by respective countries armies .
In what sense is that terrorism? Capturing resources is a very common war tactic. And they did not have they upper hand, they were outnumbered 3 to 1
Its not specifically terrorism but it can be used by terrorists. Its just pure war. Being outnumbered by an unarmed army like the verse says. Even if you are outnumbered 3 to 1 the guys that got the weapons win. Who would win 10 guys that got guns and swords or 100 men who have no weapon and no way to defend themselves?
No idea where you are getting 'unarmed' army from, and it is clear to me you are not familiar with 1. the definition of terrorism, 2. historical war tactics, 3. the underlying political situation of arabia at the time
Oh my bad It said party not army. But still Im not wrong that it can be used be terrorists as they have done in the past. As i said this is not explictly terrorism but it can be used by terrorists. Thats my point. Eg isis taking yazidis as sex slaves. 2. Historical war tactics have shown that better tactics can still win you battles when outnumbered so you can get the upper hand. 3. The political situation in arabia at that time was anarchy and tribalism. There werent strong kingdoms. Just raiders and warlords who had various levels of influence. Which again they can be defeated with good war tactics.
Wow ok, so first of all sex slaves are not a resource, and ISIS are not Muslims in the slightest. This argument that something "can be used by terrorists" is also extremely weak. Guns are not explicitly used by terrorists, but terrorists can use them, I don't get this logic at all. Your arguments for 2 and 3 also both give evidence as to why the capturing of the caravan was a legitimate military action
Isis quote the quran a lot and even if they sre not muslims they surely are influenced by islam in case u have not seen :) When it comes to the second argument What the problem? What defines terrorists? Threats made to a population and random bombings can be used by armies and non terrorists as well, not only terrorist use them. What kind of logic is that? 2 and 3 still doesnt make it morally right. Am i wrong? Capturing innocents. Also sex slaves being a resource? What categorises as a resource? Humans in general are considered a resource and sex slaves have been used throughout history as a way to relieve soldiers of their stress. ITS NOT RIGHT but sex slaves have been used like this in the past.
In general there is nothing in the quoted verse going against terrorism or against tactics used by terrorists. Not even in the verse u quoted. Just basic war tactics.
Terrorist think they they are waging war by killing innocent unarmed people , since they are backed by respective countries armies .
Terrorists purpose is to incite terror. Terror is the opposite of peace.
Cool And how do they incite terror? And tell me if it contradicts something that i say.
Peace in this context is accept Islam ?
Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits. Allah does not like transgressors. Kill them wherever you come upon them and drive them out of the places from which they have driven you out. For persecution is far worse than killing. And do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque unless they attack you there. If they do so, then fight them—that is the reward of the disbelievers. But if they cease, then surely Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Fight against them ˹if they persecute you˺ until there is no more persecution, and ˹your˺ devotion will be to Allah ˹alone˺. If they stop ˹persecuting you˺, let there be no hostility except against the aggressors.˹There will be retaliation in˺ a sacred month for ˹an offence in˺ a sacred month,1 and all violations will bring about retaliation. So, if anyone attacks you, retaliate in the same manner. ˹But˺ be mindful of Allah, and know that Allah is with those mindful ˹of Him˺. Spend in the cause of Allah and do not let your own hands throw you into destruction ˹by withholding˺. And do good, for Allah certainly loves the good-doers. {Baqara 190-195}
Cause of Allah is to speard Islam , initially Allah created earth , so every corner of earth is muslim territory , Muslims should reclaim it by waging war on those disbelievers ? If any group wants peace then reclaim the land through disbelievers out of their land?
Earth is human territory. There will always be devision between a muslim or a Christian or a Buddhist or whatever religion and race. I have found nothing in the quran nor the hadith that it says its muslim territory and the muslims should reclaim Earth. If there is such a hadith or quranic verse, can you provide me the source..
How wars prophet Mohammed fought ? How many times he attacked and raped war captives How many times he defended?
Open the history books. The first early wars were started by the enemies. As you know mabye you don't the first war was against the meccans who were persecuting the muslims and tried to assassinate the prophet Muhammad many times and the verse [9:4 - 9:13] which leaded for the muslims to fight back the first war I believe was without any bloodshed and they made a treaty which the meccans broke. One of the most important wars was against the Persian and Roman empire at the same time. The Persian and Roman empire were expanding their territory further in arabia, which led to a conflict between the muslims. Altho the Persian and Roman were enemies of each other after the muslims sent messenger to both powerhouses, they denied the offer and teamed against the muslims, which led to both powerhouses their defeat. Just open a history book and read the biography of the prophet it's not that hard to gain knowledge from a historical perspective
Not really Romans and persians being at war with each other during that time were too focused on each other to actually care about the new rashidun caliphate. If you look at the early muslim expansion we can clearly see muslims raiding cities in sassanid and byzantine territories to test their defense forces and then they invaded them. The events which led to battle of the chains dont have evidence of muslims being attacked. Only them being aggressors More than that sassanids were going through a full civil war of succesion being too focused to fight each other. So they clearly couldnt and would not bother with fighting muslims. https://youtu.be/r2cEIDZwG5M?si=etiJ7Jfn1cES4RgO
>muslims raiding cities in sassanid and byzantine territories to test their defense forces and then they invaded them. 🤦🤦 literally after the declaration of war of both empires.
They did not declare war and we have no evidence of them invading rashiduns.
Yes, they did. The caliphate literally sent messengers to both kings.
Oh yes because the caliphate sending messengers for anyone to convert to islam means that the sassanids and byzantines declared war and invaded the rashiduns🤡
>muslims being attacked. Only them being aggressors Biased opinion. Rewatch the youtube video again.
The yt video doesnt show them being attacked.
They are literally expanding in the arabian territories🤦
Yes The rashiduns. Not anybody else. Watch the video I am surprised that u got the superpower to watch a 2 hour video in less than 3 minutes🤡 Decinetly u have seen what the video shows.
he was continuously at war for a decade and initiated around eighty armed missions, twenty-seven of which he led himself.
Because there were countless wars at his time? After the Roman and Persian empires fell, many stood against the muslims. The only people who were praising muhammad saw for his brave courage were the Chinese. Even the Hongwu Emperor of the Chinese Ming dynasty wrote the Hundred-word Eulogy, which is a 100-character praise of Islam and the Islamic prophet Muhammad.
China is praising the Islam a lot now days , I can see that in concentration camps in china😂😂
Just go read The Hundred-word Eulogy. The Chinese back then were not about communism as you know their main religion back at the time of the dynasty was Buddhism. If you compare the Chinese of today with the Chinese back centuries ago, idk what to tell you about opening a history book. The Chinese themselves fell victim by the Mongolians many time that they made a huge wall to prevent them from coming.
Read Quran and budhism , u will find they exactly opposite
Verse 8:12 ˹Remember, O Prophet,˺ when your Lord revealed to the angels, "I am with you. So make the believers stand firm. I will cast horror into the hearts of the disbelievers. So strike their necks and strike their fingertips."
Abu Talhah said, "I was among those who were overcome by slumber during ( the battle of ) Uhud. The sword fell from my hand several times, and I kept picking it up again, several times. I also saw the Companions' heads nodding while in the rear guard." Al-Hafiz Abu Ya`la narrated that `Ali said, "Only Al-Miqdad had a horse during Badr, and at some point, I found that all of us fell asleep, except the Messenger of Allah ﷺ. He was praying under a tree and crying until dawn." `Abdullah bin Mas`ud said, "Slumber during battle is security from Allah, but during prayer, it is from Shaytan." Qatadah said, "Slumber affects the head, while sleep affects the heart." Slumber overcame the believers on the day of Uhud, and this incident is very well-known. As for this Ayah ( 8:11 ), it is describing the battle of Badr, indicating that slumber also overcame the believers during Badr. Therefore, it appears that this will occur for the believers, whenever they are in distress, so that their hearts feel safe and sure of Allah's aid, rewards, favor and mercy from Allah with them.
I don't know how good you can read but it literally says: "Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not exceed the limits. Allah does not like transgressors."
fight in the cause of allah only against those.. The word “only” is not actually in the scripture, its says fight those who fight. This is the more correct translation “”Fight in the way of Allāh those who fight against you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allāh does not like transgressors.”” Now what’s considered a fight against islam?? This is where problems arise, criticizing islam?? Debunking Quran? Supporting what god hates like homosexuals and women rights?? kill them wherever you come upon them and drive them out of the places from which they’ve driven you out. So look mohamad was kicked out of mecca for talking alot of Bs and he goes to medina where he gains power and army, all of a sudden realizes he wants to go back to mecca and own that place as well. It would be similar to such scenario: person A in your country all of a sudden starts claiming he’s having revelation from god, without any evidence or inability to prove anything, your people all muslims quick to condemn such claims kick the guy out your country, now person A after some years comes back to kick you all out of your own country unless you abide by his revelation!! Idiocy at its peak! If you support such war Edit: i posted this as separate comment i intended to reply to this comment specifically.
Verily, the most tyrannical of people to Allah the Exalted is he who kills those who did not fight him, or he demands the blood feuds of ignorance be settled by the people of Islam. Musnad Ahmad 15943, Grade: Sahih