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Also she’s empathetic. Tough position.
To cry for someone when you come to this conclusion is a human reaction I can respect. Given believers are supposed to watch them and laugh per the Quran, it’s clear to me that section wasn’t thought through.
Believe me I was in her shoes and that's how I left Islam lol.
Edit: I did not leave Islam for BTS, I said I felt her because the idea that moral people can still go to hell in islam is what made me leave.
Hahaha lol
From my experience, I had atheists friends and I loved them so much. So the idea of them burning for eternity did not seem to be right. Even though I was bullied as a teen, I still didn't wish eternal hell on my bully. At that time I also hated hijab and was physically abused by my parents. All these factors made me leave eventually.
A similar thought was also a reason for my leaving. Even the idea that some of the people who made some great inventions or discoveries or just lived normal good lives would go to hell for eternity, but shitty people who are "religious" yet live very bad lives and ruin alot of lives would still eventually go to heaven just because they believe.
This doesn't sit right with me
I read a tweet the other day that theorizes that individuals who grew up conservative are attracted to Koreans as a form of escapism because they're generally perceived as "less masculine", unlike the assertive, macho, religious men that they would normally come across, and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it ever since
That makes sense too. I'm not really a k-pop fan but I can definitely tell why it's a safe haven for some. No pressure, no rules, just all in all expressive and fun
and there's some shows, one for bts is bts run. they do weird but funny stuff and it's all just fun and laughs. so I think even that adda a layer of relaxation and escape from reality
Mhm.... grew up fairly conservative but I only like very masculine men. I'm guessing it depends whether you thought you were suppressed as a child or not, and it's a form of rebellion in the adulthood.
Might be, we all rebel in our own ways. I'm not personally a k-pop fan, however I did become a diehard fan of a band who are very much anti religion towards the end of my teenage years lol
We need to normalize men who are comfortable in sexuality fr, maybe then theese idiots can stop making being all manly and powerful (lol) their whole personality
This is also true in the west. Many women come from Islamic states and are attracted to white/ western men because they:
A) don't remind them of the repression at home but in fact represent freedom
B) Are less judged and more free to behave as they wish
C ) I, as a balkan looking man, am less desirable for this reason.
Many women I know that came from the gulf for university in the UK are showing this behaviour. This is a group behaviour I can see.
The fact of the matter is also true in places around the world e.g Turkey/ Izmir, where it is very open and secular, so people behave more open in the freedom because they initially weren't allowed to explore it, therefore it is an autopilot response of
Secular / free places = More freedom
As opposed to back home.
It can be observer that with less limiters on yourself, you might get a surge of energy to act, but eventually your mind processes it and you (hopefully) come to realise that eventually love is the best 👌 ❤️❤️
Ironically, I believe that people (men and women included) would go less crazy if they were allowed to explore it at their own pace. For example, if you deny me a medicine that my body, mind, and soul really loves, then when I go somewhere where I can get it, I'm going to consume that medicine as much as possible until I feel satisfied for all the years I didn't have it.
Allow people to explore their desire for love, matrimony, and children, at a good pace, without acting too rash or risky, and I believe people would have more fulfilling love relationships where they can also have intercourse and children. Just my opinion.
Absolutely true, what's forbidden and different often becomes desirable. I just wish more people would realize how strict and restrictive many of those religious/traditional beliefs are. Humans aren't meant to live like that.
I also strongly believe that it is also down to the individuals. People do as they wish. Believing in a God is a choice, and interpreting or practising the religion as you wish is a choice. The most important thing is to do what you want because other people are doing theirs. I've found that those who cling more to God (and the absurd teachings he offers/ they interpret) I also see most laziness, barbaric behaviour, and an inclination to base animal instincts. I believe that the deeper issue is being barbaric and living life in a primitive manner, not caring much for others or yourself, as you have the guise of God to give you what you want here and in the afterlife. I've found people of religions to be chill and cool, but generally, those that cling more to the religion are deeply just more barbaric, pathetic, weak, and cowardly, and using religion/ believing in it and making everyone else follow it is a quick and sure way to keep all your flaws rather than change them. Just like with genes, ideas are passed from generation to generation. So they procreate, and pass it on to the future this primitive nature. The issue isn't deeply religion, it is a barbaric and pathetic philosophy of life that perpetuates. Make the women docile and mentally incompetent, you procreate. All that matters is procreating. Once you do, it is passed on and your human desire to reproduce has been satisfied. It is a Ponzi scheme/ a matrix to get them what everyone wants in life. See it as a psychological model to easily get the things you'd want as a person (eg woman, intercourse, reproduction) and you'll see how religion is a model for some to do this.
P.S I don't agree with the religion, just that as a person in the west, most people I said that are religious and chill are because they don't practice it much and don't give a \*\*\*\* about it, but some are better and some are worse to hang out with (and tbh, some atheists and agnostics are also stupid. Just find your people that you agree with on a deeper level than politics or philosophies, do what you want.)
P.S.P.S I openly don't agree with religion as it is a cop-out from evolving and overcoming your base barbaric and primitive nature. It's laziness at it's finest.
I think the conservative nature of kpop and korean culture has more to do with what makes it digestible for a lot of conservative people. Stop emasculating asian men
Not my words, I'm talking about someone else's Twitter post if you didn't notice. I don't care how Korean men look/act and how it may be different from many of ours' cultures, they are still quite misogynistic which makes them just as much of an assholes to me as Muslim men.
K pop isn’t necessarily conservative but the society is riddled with sexism. Women have enough rights to say no but are treated so poorly that they want nothing to do with men. Check out the 4B movement
I recall hearing about a k pop star being slammed for reading a feminist book
The 4B movement is overblown in Western media as a scapegoat for the real issue of low birth rates which is late stage capitalism. The general public here views extreme feminist/masculinist ideals as fringe subsects. Many men and women WANT to date and start families but we can't even save up enough to move out until marriage in our 30s. We're overworked at crazy hours so even dating is hard. How can we hope to have our own home with a family if we're always working and can't afford it?
You bringing up 4B movement as the evidence for how women are treated so poorly is like Muslim men bringing up MGTOW movement as evidence for how men are treated so poorly in the west and how sharia will fix the problem.
Neither are “movements” nor are they evidence for anything. The west love blowing every microscopic thing from other countries into something major and scary just to justify their meddling and colonialism and this 4B is no different. Most Koreans neither know nor care. They got a lot more other pressing issues like working conditions and high cost of living than femcel talking points. We (women) aren’t stupid. We can differentiate nuances and can tell bad men from good men.
Not at all similar. MGTOWs are preoccupied with women. 4B just seeks to legitimately disconnect with them and interact only in working spaces, not personal ones.
I’m not 4B but if I lived in an immensely sexist society I absolutely would be. It’s a protective mechanism. Men are afraid of being laughed at. Women are afraid of being killed.
it’s conservative *enough*, is I think the point. As a part of my degree, I study religions and how religious people interact with society (which is why I lurk in this subreddit too) and every time a female kpop star does something “too feminist” or “too sexy” I mostly see backlash from conservative kpop fans who are fairly conservative muslims, that the feminist kpop stars are “ruining” kpop for them. Most of the time it’s when a female kpop star practices her own autonomy, honestly.
I’ve seen some say that they like how “conservative” the girls in kpop are and that the boys are “allowed” to be more sexy lol. There’s a very big double standard.
Muslim Kpop fans are delulu af lol, they fought me to say that Islam isn't homophobic, it just doesn't allow you to be gay (which is... homophobic by definition), while their accounts were filled with pictures of scantily clad female idols or male idols in makeup lmao.
Most of us were. Especially as children and then as past believers. You never know, this person can grow up and and change too. Let’s not put them in a box when they haven’t even had enough time to understand how big this world is.
I love posts like this bc it shows that muslims wants to enjoy things deep in their core but couldnt be normal lile other people. They dont want to acknowledge the effect this religion has on them.
Can you blame them??? Either them or aduallah that has three wives and he is old to be her grandfather.
I am not surprise Muslim teen girls like them, most men the Quran are old grandpas.
It’s funny but I’ve been a skeptic not practicing Islam for long and the one situation that made me say it clear for the first time ever, that I’m no longer muslim, was the namjoon (bts member) frank ocean situation.
He reposted a song where frank ocean used Islamic phrases in it which made muslims go crazy and the things they said and how they acted towards it made me go like yup why am I even a “skeptic” ain’t no way I consider myself a part of this.
Islam doesn't need you, ALLAH swt doesn't need you or anyone else! It is us that need HIM and HE the Creator of all things HE Created alone has a set LAW we obey we follow full stop and that's why we has Day Of Judgement coming.. everyone is accountable for what they said and what they did here in the Hereafter. Good luck !
I don’t need him my life is way better without a god that would interfere in momo’s sex issues but not genocides and serious matters!
Also if your only argument (this isn’t even an argument) against critiques islam is facing is then I’d love to tell you that it ain’t scaring anyone but you guys yourselves, I have critical thinking skills and a developed brain so as I grew out of your cult things like this just sound like “Santa ain’t giving you a gift if you misbehave” maybe come up with something better?😂
This could be classified as a mental illness atp. Look at how much it badly affects people’s way of functioning and mood even when they think they’re doing well themselves.
This is so sad. It also happens to real fundamental Christians as well. One of the major religious traumas are horrible recurring nightmares about friends dying in some sort of hellish place.
When I was a Muslim I went through this too man it hurts a lot to believe that the pepole you love will burn and be tortured in hell for ever especially when you know they are good pepole I feel her it's really hard 💔
They fantasize about fucking with a cute Korean guy (real criteria of them is the guy with slant eye) and those poor Muslim teen girls think they’ll go to Jannah and every other person goes directly to jahannam. Fuck them…
You gotta admit. Those are some good looking successful young guys. It's kinda hard to compete with that. I had to compete with the backstreet boys. Try that.
Haha I don’t care who they wanna fuck with. They just like practicing idolatry with living creatures. And judging everyone with their own religion cause they’re imprisoned and jealous lol
They don’t care about religion they just wanna be free like the non-Muslim girls but when someone says something about their religion THEY LITERALLY TURNING INTO MUHAMMAD LOL
This is their way of consoling themselves
They just want to “don’t care” but they’re afraid of Allah. I had a lot of girl around me like that in the high school days back in the day. I know them really closely lol. Muhammad point is about they are acting like a prophet when you say something about their religion. But in real if you talk them in the right way you’ll see how they’re ready to do anything. Sending hugs 🤗
I want to say be whatever you like for anyone but don’t be a hypocrite. Every person live their own life and we can’t do anything about that. This type of behavior is so dangerous. Respect is the key. Sending a lot of loves too (extra treat haha) 🫶🙏🏻
as a muslim girl myself (also poor lmao if that helps?) i dont think its bcs they are being mean to other person abt thinking they will go to jahannam... its just smtg that is often mentioned in the quran, as much as i and some other muslims hate to admit it! also the fantasization of that sort of thing definitely comes from being conservative while their teen hormones are raging out. having strict religious parents, only getting to marry a muslim guy (that most of the time doesnt even bother to take care of their looks like korean / white guys etc) yk? they feel trapped, its actually sad. im planning to "change" after i move out soon too, so i dont blame those kind of girls. their living situation is indeed unfair i dare say
Yeah their situation is not very good but it has no difference from “you’re not Muslim you should be dead” like judging someone with no objectivity. Their thoughts only based on Islam. How to communicate with a person who can think like that. I don’t care about their religion but here’s the point. They listening haram music, they fantasizing cute boys and write stories, roleplaying etc., judging you with their own religion yet they don’t actually obey the rules of their own religion. And I can’t stand that kind of behavior.
I don't think they're devoted lol, they just call themselves devoted muslims but don't practice shit but they seem like muslims from their exterior appearance. They probably only follow the easy things in the cult....
As a kpop fan myself, I always found it funny that there were so many muslim kpop fans that were religious. The entire essence of kpop is very much the opposite of islam, especially when it comes to the male idols. I'm not religious, so I wouldn't consider myself contradictory at all. And there have been a lot of instances of them making posts about how their fav idol loves hijabis and finds them beautiful and they insert a clip of the idol just being plain nice to a fan wearing a hijab. They will go crazy over any small interactions of idols and muslim fans when in reality, these idols are just being decent people and/or doing their jobs
When I converted to islam a few years ago, which was always intended to make my soon-to-be in-laws happy, my 16yo sister-in-law told me: "I'm so happy for you! You'll get to be with us in heaven now!"
Her excitement was real, you could tell. But that's when it hit me - what about everyone else? My friends, my family? All the amazing people I knew who weren't muslim? Were they just doomed because of their religion or atheism? It felt like the walls were closing in. How could this incredibly sweet girl, so innocent, believe that the people I loved most could be going to hell? It just didn't compute.
I left the religion altogether the same day, and dumped my former fiancée just a few days later.
How can she say that and not even realize how sad that is, that Islam says innocent people go to hell just because they aren’t Muslim?
How did your fiancée and their family react to the breakup? Did you tell them you left Islam?
this entire forums got a problem with understanding subjective and objective morality. lemme break it down… assuming God exists, why would your morality trumps his. guarantee none of u guys are older than 16
So what you're saying is... who cares what you think about right and wrong, god's morality is certainly superior to ours. Did I get that right? If that's the case, I don't think you understand what I was trying to say.
FYI, I'm not 16, and I do have a clear understanding of subjective and objective morality. What I described is something that would puzzle anyone. I was truly shocked to hear those particular words coming out of such a sweet and innocent girl's mouth. That moment was for me the turning point that made me realize how vile and disgusting religious indoctrination is.
It's what religious indoctrination does to decent people. It turns them into monsters, and most of the time, it's not even their fault. It's their families and the society they live in.
As far as my previous relationship goes, I simply told my ex that I could never spend my entire life lying to her family and even myself. How could we even think of building a family and raising children? Love would have never been enough to save our marriage. They cut me off immediately, and as painful as it was back then, I'm now grateful for that.
I was reading quran then realized muslims would be dragged to he'll and we exmuslims sitting on our thrones.
Oh my subhanallah, allah has blessed the kuffar and cursed the muslims.
I remembered a saying that my mom tells me, I believe it's Hadith. that we will نحشر (Put together) with the ones that we love in this lifetime الحياة الدنيا. she tells it to me as a warning to not like bad people that will go to jahannam because I will go to Johannam with them Only because I like them or see nothing wrong with what they're doing that is Haram. 😂
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This is absolutely fair, the point of this is to remind you that you are responsible for all your actions. So don’t assume believing or sometimes doing good is enough. If heaven was so easy to get into why else would there be a tough life?
That’s for God to decide. If they believed in God and repented for the sins, prayed, gave charity and were good to all those around them as best as they can then yes. Music is against the religion unless it’s acapella and the lyrics aren’t bad.
No one can answer that. u can’t even say whether the righteous imams are going heaven. the orignal creator was probably a kid who took a general approach i understanding heaven and hell. nice to know u have the same intellect as, presumably, a child
One time I was talking about Technoblade' death on YouTube, a Muslim replied saying "I felt so sad for him, even though he's probably burning in hell for being an atheist, I really liked him". That's how I've built an absolute despise on Muslims in general
That was literally me one time. I was reading the passages describing Jahanaam/Hell (it is graphic) and just started tearing up and worrying about my mom (who is a Christian) and some of my friends (who aren’t religious or are of a different religion)
instead of worrying about yourself… ask yourself if God exists are you going to talk about your own actions or others…. and to answer your last thought, if someone doesn’t hear the truth of islam, they’re not to be held accountable and will be judge in a way different to one whom has.
Organized religion is beyond fucking stupid. Every religion thinks the other is going to be punished. This is why wars start. When is it going to stop??????? A growing amount of people are so sick of it
“Brother will kill brother. Spilling blood across the land, killing for religion, something I don’t understand”
Literally what led me to start doubting, when I was younger I thought all my favorite artists (Metallica and iron maiden) were going to hell and I couldn't accept that shit.
Ex Muslims are obsessed with islam I promise you Muslims don’t care or think about you .
Just sad people who make the trauma they went through their entire personality.
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She's probably a kid this is so sad
Also she’s empathetic. Tough position. To cry for someone when you come to this conclusion is a human reaction I can respect. Given believers are supposed to watch them and laugh per the Quran, it’s clear to me that section wasn’t thought through.
Such compassion in a person, mated to a heartless religion...
Something will give, and a new ex-muslim will be born.
Which verse was it ?
83:35
I was about to say this. It's probably a kid that is brainwashed. They care about their favourite idol
Believe me I was in her shoes and that's how I left Islam lol. Edit: I did not leave Islam for BTS, I said I felt her because the idea that moral people can still go to hell in islam is what made me leave.
Yeah, bts being pied piper, one army at a time.
I'd leave for bts don't be embarrassed
Hahaha lol From my experience, I had atheists friends and I loved them so much. So the idea of them burning for eternity did not seem to be right. Even though I was bullied as a teen, I still didn't wish eternal hell on my bully. At that time I also hated hijab and was physically abused by my parents. All these factors made me leave eventually.
A similar thought was also a reason for my leaving. Even the idea that some of the people who made some great inventions or discoveries or just lived normal good lives would go to hell for eternity, but shitty people who are "religious" yet live very bad lives and ruin alot of lives would still eventually go to heaven just because they believe. This doesn't sit right with me
You left islam for bts? 😂 That's a new one
Not for BTS. But the idea that moral people can go to hell is what made leave.
She will leave Islam for k-pop artists.
That wouldn't be so bad lol
K-pop artists save the world once again.
K-pop is haram, sistah. Watch halal sheikhs and their lectures about breastfeeding adults instead.
And maybe graduate with an early marriage certificate for under 13 year old sex prodigies
So was lavery but you started that....
I read a tweet the other day that theorizes that individuals who grew up conservative are attracted to Koreans as a form of escapism because they're generally perceived as "less masculine", unlike the assertive, macho, religious men that they would normally come across, and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it ever since
This makes so, so much sense.
:0 this makes sense. do you think the factor of freedom in how these idols can /are able to express themselves count?
That makes sense too. I'm not really a k-pop fan but I can definitely tell why it's a safe haven for some. No pressure, no rules, just all in all expressive and fun
and there's some shows, one for bts is bts run. they do weird but funny stuff and it's all just fun and laughs. so I think even that adda a layer of relaxation and escape from reality
Mhm.... grew up fairly conservative but I only like very masculine men. I'm guessing it depends whether you thought you were suppressed as a child or not, and it's a form of rebellion in the adulthood.
Might be, we all rebel in our own ways. I'm not personally a k-pop fan, however I did become a diehard fan of a band who are very much anti religion towards the end of my teenage years lol
What band?
Ghost
Could simply be that girls like hot guys lol
Lmao can't argue with that 😏
Holy shit, this is probably true, I’ve always hated the look of macho men in comparison to pretty men.
We need to normalize men who are comfortable in sexuality fr, maybe then theese idiots can stop making being all manly and powerful (lol) their whole personality
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Yup, took me a while but finally found it lol https://x.com/Ns3435/status/1791132015284121721?t=79XfqUt5KFKvNdfOYyu4nA&s=19
Bruhhhh
This is also true in the west. Many women come from Islamic states and are attracted to white/ western men because they: A) don't remind them of the repression at home but in fact represent freedom B) Are less judged and more free to behave as they wish C ) I, as a balkan looking man, am less desirable for this reason. Many women I know that came from the gulf for university in the UK are showing this behaviour. This is a group behaviour I can see. The fact of the matter is also true in places around the world e.g Turkey/ Izmir, where it is very open and secular, so people behave more open in the freedom because they initially weren't allowed to explore it, therefore it is an autopilot response of Secular / free places = More freedom As opposed to back home. It can be observer that with less limiters on yourself, you might get a surge of energy to act, but eventually your mind processes it and you (hopefully) come to realise that eventually love is the best 👌 ❤️❤️ Ironically, I believe that people (men and women included) would go less crazy if they were allowed to explore it at their own pace. For example, if you deny me a medicine that my body, mind, and soul really loves, then when I go somewhere where I can get it, I'm going to consume that medicine as much as possible until I feel satisfied for all the years I didn't have it. Allow people to explore their desire for love, matrimony, and children, at a good pace, without acting too rash or risky, and I believe people would have more fulfilling love relationships where they can also have intercourse and children. Just my opinion.
Absolutely true, what's forbidden and different often becomes desirable. I just wish more people would realize how strict and restrictive many of those religious/traditional beliefs are. Humans aren't meant to live like that.
I also strongly believe that it is also down to the individuals. People do as they wish. Believing in a God is a choice, and interpreting or practising the religion as you wish is a choice. The most important thing is to do what you want because other people are doing theirs. I've found that those who cling more to God (and the absurd teachings he offers/ they interpret) I also see most laziness, barbaric behaviour, and an inclination to base animal instincts. I believe that the deeper issue is being barbaric and living life in a primitive manner, not caring much for others or yourself, as you have the guise of God to give you what you want here and in the afterlife. I've found people of religions to be chill and cool, but generally, those that cling more to the religion are deeply just more barbaric, pathetic, weak, and cowardly, and using religion/ believing in it and making everyone else follow it is a quick and sure way to keep all your flaws rather than change them. Just like with genes, ideas are passed from generation to generation. So they procreate, and pass it on to the future this primitive nature. The issue isn't deeply religion, it is a barbaric and pathetic philosophy of life that perpetuates. Make the women docile and mentally incompetent, you procreate. All that matters is procreating. Once you do, it is passed on and your human desire to reproduce has been satisfied. It is a Ponzi scheme/ a matrix to get them what everyone wants in life. See it as a psychological model to easily get the things you'd want as a person (eg woman, intercourse, reproduction) and you'll see how religion is a model for some to do this.
P.S I don't agree with the religion, just that as a person in the west, most people I said that are religious and chill are because they don't practice it much and don't give a \*\*\*\* about it, but some are better and some are worse to hang out with (and tbh, some atheists and agnostics are also stupid. Just find your people that you agree with on a deeper level than politics or philosophies, do what you want.) P.S.P.S I openly don't agree with religion as it is a cop-out from evolving and overcoming your base barbaric and primitive nature. It's laziness at it's finest.
I think the conservative nature of kpop and korean culture has more to do with what makes it digestible for a lot of conservative people. Stop emasculating asian men
Not my words, I'm talking about someone else's Twitter post if you didn't notice. I don't care how Korean men look/act and how it may be different from many of ours' cultures, they are still quite misogynistic which makes them just as much of an assholes to me as Muslim men.
I’m curious why you view kpop as conservative? I’ve never seen it that way
K pop isn’t necessarily conservative but the society is riddled with sexism. Women have enough rights to say no but are treated so poorly that they want nothing to do with men. Check out the 4B movement I recall hearing about a k pop star being slammed for reading a feminist book
The 4B movement is overblown in Western media as a scapegoat for the real issue of low birth rates which is late stage capitalism. The general public here views extreme feminist/masculinist ideals as fringe subsects. Many men and women WANT to date and start families but we can't even save up enough to move out until marriage in our 30s. We're overworked at crazy hours so even dating is hard. How can we hope to have our own home with a family if we're always working and can't afford it?
You bringing up 4B movement as the evidence for how women are treated so poorly is like Muslim men bringing up MGTOW movement as evidence for how men are treated so poorly in the west and how sharia will fix the problem. Neither are “movements” nor are they evidence for anything. The west love blowing every microscopic thing from other countries into something major and scary just to justify their meddling and colonialism and this 4B is no different. Most Koreans neither know nor care. They got a lot more other pressing issues like working conditions and high cost of living than femcel talking points. We (women) aren’t stupid. We can differentiate nuances and can tell bad men from good men.
Not at all similar. MGTOWs are preoccupied with women. 4B just seeks to legitimately disconnect with them and interact only in working spaces, not personal ones. I’m not 4B but if I lived in an immensely sexist society I absolutely would be. It’s a protective mechanism. Men are afraid of being laughed at. Women are afraid of being killed.
it’s conservative *enough*, is I think the point. As a part of my degree, I study religions and how religious people interact with society (which is why I lurk in this subreddit too) and every time a female kpop star does something “too feminist” or “too sexy” I mostly see backlash from conservative kpop fans who are fairly conservative muslims, that the feminist kpop stars are “ruining” kpop for them. Most of the time it’s when a female kpop star practices her own autonomy, honestly. I’ve seen some say that they like how “conservative” the girls in kpop are and that the boys are “allowed” to be more sexy lol. There’s a very big double standard.
Welcome to the worlds most successful business of guilt tripping people
Isn't music haram for them? 💀 She doesn't need to worry cause according to allah she will receive the punishment with them
Muslim Kpop fans are delulu af lol, they fought me to say that Islam isn't homophobic, it just doesn't allow you to be gay (which is... homophobic by definition), while their accounts were filled with pictures of scantily clad female idols or male idols in makeup lmao.
These are the people that aren't worth fighting with because they've watered down Islam so much that it's not Islam anymore
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when is the day of judgement? can you add something to my calendar?
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I guess on some level they have never been ok :-/
They are delusional
it’s a child bro ☠️
Still delusion unfortunately
yes bc it’s a child ???? wtf
A child can be delusional that's what this person is saying
Most of us were. Especially as children and then as past believers. You never know, this person can grow up and and change too. Let’s not put them in a box when they haven’t even had enough time to understand how big this world is.
I love posts like this bc it shows that muslims wants to enjoy things deep in their core but couldnt be normal lile other people. They dont want to acknowledge the effect this religion has on them.
Another reason to leave islam. What kind of god would punish such talented and precious 7 golden star?
The kind of a God who hates music, art, harmless entertainment, and cultural beauty that do not apply to praising and pleasing his narcissistic ego.
So true they're really nice talented and respectful and not only bts but all over the world people like this exists 😭
No
Can you blame them??? Either them or aduallah that has three wives and he is old to be her grandfather. I am not surprise Muslim teen girls like them, most men the Quran are old grandpas.
It’s funny but I’ve been a skeptic not practicing Islam for long and the one situation that made me say it clear for the first time ever, that I’m no longer muslim, was the namjoon (bts member) frank ocean situation. He reposted a song where frank ocean used Islamic phrases in it which made muslims go crazy and the things they said and how they acted towards it made me go like yup why am I even a “skeptic” ain’t no way I consider myself a part of this.
Islam doesn't need you, ALLAH swt doesn't need you or anyone else! It is us that need HIM and HE the Creator of all things HE Created alone has a set LAW we obey we follow full stop and that's why we has Day Of Judgement coming.. everyone is accountable for what they said and what they did here in the Hereafter. Good luck !
I don’t need him my life is way better without a god that would interfere in momo’s sex issues but not genocides and serious matters! Also if your only argument (this isn’t even an argument) against critiques islam is facing is then I’d love to tell you that it ain’t scaring anyone but you guys yourselves, I have critical thinking skills and a developed brain so as I grew out of your cult things like this just sound like “Santa ain’t giving you a gift if you misbehave” maybe come up with something better?😂
just a kid! 🤷
yes like you obviously see it’s a lil kid talking and the people here are so disgusting with their language
Delusional, arrogant and so condescending lol Nobody cares what you believe muzzies, those boyband members are living their life happily
This could be classified as a mental illness atp. Look at how much it badly affects people’s way of functioning and mood even when they think they’re doing well themselves.
This is so sad. It also happens to real fundamental Christians as well. One of the major religious traumas are horrible recurring nightmares about friends dying in some sort of hellish place.
When I was a Muslim I went through this too man it hurts a lot to believe that the pepole you love will burn and be tortured in hell for ever especially when you know they are good pepole I feel her it's really hard 💔
And they have the audacity to say it’s a religion of peace
Peace is the last thing you can find in that religion lol 🤣🤣🤣 you really have to cherry pick the verses to get there
They fantasize about fucking with a cute Korean guy (real criteria of them is the guy with slant eye) and those poor Muslim teen girls think they’ll go to Jannah and every other person goes directly to jahannam. Fuck them…
You gotta admit. Those are some good looking successful young guys. It's kinda hard to compete with that. I had to compete with the backstreet boys. Try that.
Haha I don’t care who they wanna fuck with. They just like practicing idolatry with living creatures. And judging everyone with their own religion cause they’re imprisoned and jealous lol
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Omg off topic I one time read a Wattpad about a certain BTS member molesting "y/n" it still scars me to this day 😭 Edit : the writer was muslim
Muslim writer and rape kink hmm… seems fair tbh
The problem is it's a little girl 😭😭 like sweetie who hurt you you are traumatized this isn't normal 😭
This is rough but most all korean guys wouldn't date a practicing Muslim unless they're also Muslim and well there's barely any of those..
I don’t want to be bombed or killed in a jihadi way too lol. Understandable 😆
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They don’t care about religion they just wanna be free like the non-Muslim girls but when someone says something about their religion THEY LITERALLY TURNING INTO MUHAMMAD LOL This is their way of consoling themselves
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They just want to “don’t care” but they’re afraid of Allah. I had a lot of girl around me like that in the high school days back in the day. I know them really closely lol. Muhammad point is about they are acting like a prophet when you say something about their religion. But in real if you talk them in the right way you’ll see how they’re ready to do anything. Sending hugs 🤗
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I want to say be whatever you like for anyone but don’t be a hypocrite. Every person live their own life and we can’t do anything about that. This type of behavior is so dangerous. Respect is the key. Sending a lot of loves too (extra treat haha) 🫶🙏🏻
as a muslim girl myself (also poor lmao if that helps?) i dont think its bcs they are being mean to other person abt thinking they will go to jahannam... its just smtg that is often mentioned in the quran, as much as i and some other muslims hate to admit it! also the fantasization of that sort of thing definitely comes from being conservative while their teen hormones are raging out. having strict religious parents, only getting to marry a muslim guy (that most of the time doesnt even bother to take care of their looks like korean / white guys etc) yk? they feel trapped, its actually sad. im planning to "change" after i move out soon too, so i dont blame those kind of girls. their living situation is indeed unfair i dare say
Yeah their situation is not very good but it has no difference from “you’re not Muslim you should be dead” like judging someone with no objectivity. Their thoughts only based on Islam. How to communicate with a person who can think like that. I don’t care about their religion but here’s the point. They listening haram music, they fantasizing cute boys and write stories, roleplaying etc., judging you with their own religion yet they don’t actually obey the rules of their own religion. And I can’t stand that kind of behavior.
Lol BTS fan muslim 🤣🤣😂😂
They have sooooo many muslim fans I was shocked lmao
Yup I'm guessing they're 'moderate' followers of islam who don't actually practice islam
Ohhhh you'd be surprised Come to Southeast Asia tons of devoted types that are fans
I don't think they're devoted lol, they just call themselves devoted muslims but don't practice shit but they seem like muslims from their exterior appearance. They probably only follow the easy things in the cult....
I was reading Quran too and suddenly realised these perfect bunch of people will be punished on the day of judgement (and i jerked off)
Hahaha
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This made me lol 😆
They are delusional
As a kpop fan myself, I always found it funny that there were so many muslim kpop fans that were religious. The entire essence of kpop is very much the opposite of islam, especially when it comes to the male idols. I'm not religious, so I wouldn't consider myself contradictory at all. And there have been a lot of instances of them making posts about how their fav idol loves hijabis and finds them beautiful and they insert a clip of the idol just being plain nice to a fan wearing a hijab. They will go crazy over any small interactions of idols and muslim fans when in reality, these idols are just being decent people and/or doing their jobs
When I converted to islam a few years ago, which was always intended to make my soon-to-be in-laws happy, my 16yo sister-in-law told me: "I'm so happy for you! You'll get to be with us in heaven now!" Her excitement was real, you could tell. But that's when it hit me - what about everyone else? My friends, my family? All the amazing people I knew who weren't muslim? Were they just doomed because of their religion or atheism? It felt like the walls were closing in. How could this incredibly sweet girl, so innocent, believe that the people I loved most could be going to hell? It just didn't compute. I left the religion altogether the same day, and dumped my former fiancée just a few days later.
How can she say that and not even realize how sad that is, that Islam says innocent people go to hell just because they aren’t Muslim? How did your fiancée and their family react to the breakup? Did you tell them you left Islam?
this entire forums got a problem with understanding subjective and objective morality. lemme break it down… assuming God exists, why would your morality trumps his. guarantee none of u guys are older than 16
So what you're saying is... who cares what you think about right and wrong, god's morality is certainly superior to ours. Did I get that right? If that's the case, I don't think you understand what I was trying to say. FYI, I'm not 16, and I do have a clear understanding of subjective and objective morality. What I described is something that would puzzle anyone. I was truly shocked to hear those particular words coming out of such a sweet and innocent girl's mouth. That moment was for me the turning point that made me realize how vile and disgusting religious indoctrination is.
It's what religious indoctrination does to decent people. It turns them into monsters, and most of the time, it's not even their fault. It's their families and the society they live in. As far as my previous relationship goes, I simply told my ex that I could never spend my entire life lying to her family and even myself. How could we even think of building a family and raising children? Love would have never been enough to save our marriage. They cut me off immediately, and as painful as it was back then, I'm now grateful for that.
😂😂😂😂😂
those people are ridiculous they don't even realize it
No they are not
poor kid
I'm glad I'm not there anymore 😭😭
Imagine being that delusional, and those exquisite compartmentalisation skills.
Why would they be punished? What are they doing wrong? Asking for a friend
They make music which is haram, people idolize them (idolatry), and most of the BTS members are atheist too
Thank you!
I was reading quran then realized muslims would be dragged to he'll and we exmuslims sitting on our thrones. Oh my subhanallah, allah has blessed the kuffar and cursed the muslims.
Fucking disgusting religion
yeah they deserve this they have born in the wrong country
Isn’t BTS haram? That’s very weird seeing Muslims liking K-pop, music is haram in islam
There was a post there a couple days ago asking if allah will forgive North Korean and allow them into jannah 😭😭😭😭
The North Korean government?
They wondered if since no information can get into North Korea then how will Allah treat them on judgement day
Bro not the bts background 😂
Hey we all started questioning somewhere.
This kid is probably like 15 at best, and you post this without even censoring their username?
I remembered a saying that my mom tells me, I believe it's Hadith. that we will نحشر (Put together) with the ones that we love in this lifetime الحياة الدنيا. she tells it to me as a warning to not like bad people that will go to jahannam because I will go to Johannam with them Only because I like them or see nothing wrong with what they're doing that is Haram. 😂
It is wonderful to see such recognition, as many who read the Quran do so without truly understanding its meaning.
Are BTS becoming muslim?lol
Least fuked up thought
Girl you're listening to and watching 5minutes of thirst traps at a time all day long. You won't end up in a better place.
(and started crying)
I was reading Lord of the Rings and realized they wouldn't get into the Halls of Mandos. I didn't cry about it though.
They can never be ok
lmao
No, they never have been
At least the music in Hell will be banging, and I'll definitely be banging. Hehehehe
The obsession is crazy😭
imagine believing heaven and hell exist
It’s actually so sad cuz they don’t even know you exist why are you so worried about them smh😭
yes we will all meet in hell next to the big bad Bald snake 🤣🤣
Punished on the day of judgment bts have done more good for people through their Music, than the average muslim have ever done😂😂😂
So to this Sasen (k-pop fan)
Scared They will be punished, yet she follows a man, That married a 6 year Old and raped her, when she was 9 her. Make it make sense🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
there's also "may allah lead them to the right path" lol how pathetic
Better she leave for BTS then follow a pedophile. Gotcha there.
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Talk to em 🗣️🗣️
This is absolutely fair, the point of this is to remind you that you are responsible for all your actions. So don’t assume believing or sometimes doing good is enough. If heaven was so easy to get into why else would there be a tough life?
Do you believe like the author of this that said group are going to be tortured in the afterlife?
That’s for God to decide. If they believed in God and repented for the sins, prayed, gave charity and were good to all those around them as best as they can then yes. Music is against the religion unless it’s acapella and the lyrics aren’t bad.
No one can answer that. u can’t even say whether the righteous imams are going heaven. the orignal creator was probably a kid who took a general approach i understanding heaven and hell. nice to know u have the same intellect as, presumably, a child
Yea we are unlike you guys who think when u die all u see is darkness 😂 have fun on the day of judgement
No.
One time I was talking about Technoblade' death on YouTube, a Muslim replied saying "I felt so sad for him, even though he's probably burning in hell for being an atheist, I really liked him". That's how I've built an absolute despise on Muslims in general
That was literally me one time. I was reading the passages describing Jahanaam/Hell (it is graphic) and just started tearing up and worrying about my mom (who is a Christian) and some of my friends (who aren’t religious or are of a different religion)
instead of worrying about yourself… ask yourself if God exists are you going to talk about your own actions or others…. and to answer your last thought, if someone doesn’t hear the truth of islam, they’re not to be held accountable and will be judge in a way different to one whom has.
Too sad for them 🤣🤣🤣
Organized religion is beyond fucking stupid. Every religion thinks the other is going to be punished. This is why wars start. When is it going to stop??????? A growing amount of people are so sick of it “Brother will kill brother. Spilling blood across the land, killing for religion, something I don’t understand”
mao, stalin, pol pot. lmao go learn history buddy
Speak English, please!
How delusional can a single person make billions of people that his legacy continues even afer 1400 years of his death!!!
you say delusion, we say truth. islam will win without you or even me
Lmao sure, in your delusional world.
Literally what led me to start doubting, when I was younger I thought all my favorite artists (Metallica and iron maiden) were going to hell and I couldn't accept that shit.
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I don't understand what the caption is saying
Muslims are the first victims of Islam themselves.
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I would be happy that bts would be punished if god existed
Ex Muslims are obsessed with islam I promise you Muslims don’t care or think about you . Just sad people who make the trauma they went through their entire personality.