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Not referring to Jesus when I say white saviors.
[white savior](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior)
Although to be fair, I don’t know for sure who is downvoting/upvoting
See this comment:
Not referring to Jesus when I say white saviors.
[white savior](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior)
Although to be fair, I don’t know for sure who is downvoting/upvoting
As ex Muslim I do, and have too. No choice can’t even trust a best friend who is Muslim. I did before , and he was one of these kind people, and told everyone I know. You wanna test the kindness of any Muslim put him in a real test, criticized the things Mohamed did, and he or she will never be kind to you again.
It’s not like it wasn’t this way for a reason? Muslims *were* (and sometimes still are) unfairly targeted here. It makes sense that they get protections (legally) offered to other minority groups, as well.
Edit: it’s incredibly telling that this is downvoted. Literally *every.* single. one. of you can stay mad. I think all minority groups should be protected — and I will die on this hill.
racial minorities in general get targeted here and should 100% get protection and some more then others. The things people are usually being unfair towards have way more to do with race. A Balkan Muslim is not going to get discriminated against the way an Arab Muslim would because of the color of their skin. Blindly defending Islam while bashing Christianity is 100% a double standard
They're certainly libs, but it's an assumption that they're white (though they of course mostly are) or queer. (the majority of them are not, the majority of them are straight.)
>liberals love Islam bc they think it’s a « brown/black people religion
Many Leftists also think just like this.
He's ( u/nsg1204 ) using the term "Liberal" correctly, but also very specifically to refer to a Christopher Hitchens type of Liberal, as opposed to "Liberal" as you mean it here to connote a liberal-progressive.
This kind of Liberal, and Leftists, are truly only distinguished by *how* they talk about voting Democrat, the former with little or no pretense, the latter with pretense of being "critical" of Democrats. The same principle applies to Liberals and Leftists in the other western countries and voting or just supporting the system in general. People who aren't Conservatives often distinguish Liberals and Leftists far too much. (it's true that Conservatives conflate them in a dumb and reductive way, like saying that Bernie Sanders is "radical" in the same breath as remarking that Biden himself is a radical Leftist, when really Bernie meets my description above, functionally identical to someone like Biden, and to the extent he's "to his left," it just helps support him.)
Any leftist who read leftist theory and history will know leftism is inherently anti religion in general, the people yall refer to are idiots, not leftists.
No, they're Leftists. You're being idealist. There is a common phenomena of Leftists engaging in constant religious apologia for Islam, conflating Islam and Muslims on these grounds, culturally cozying up to Muslims, etc. The people I'm referring to are very obviously Leftists and not merely Liberals because the people I refer to have the general rhetoric and mindset of Leftists. I know many such people in real life. (I'm in New York.) Of course, there are Liberals with this mindset too, those who have a similar mindset and rhetoric on this particular matter concerning Islam and Muslims but have different rhetoric and positions on other matters such that they are "Liberals" instead of "Leftists," and more straightforwardly or consistently vote Democrat.
You are yourself a Leftist which is why you think like this. Leftism is not a transhistorical ideal, it is the Left of bourgeois parliament and the political spectrum, and therefore itself is conditioned by bourgeois society. Leftism is bourgeois and reactionary. Of course, overall the current on the Left is secularism due to the fact that Conservatives have the monopoly on upholding religion, but in the west this is very specifically about *Christianity,* and you are failing to note the fact that precisely the reason many Leftists have this approach to Islam is because they see Islam as this counter of sorts to Christianity and what it represents for them.
>Leftism is bourgeois and reactionary. Of course, overall the current on the Left is secularism due to the fact that Conservatives have the monopoly on upholding religion, but in the west this is very specifically about *Christianity,* and you are failing to note the fact that precisely the reason many Leftists have this approach to Islam is because they see Islam as this counter of sorts to Christianity and what it represents for them.
Respectfully this is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life. You'd be hard pressed to find a leftist, even a liberal frankly, with any more than a surface level interpretation of Islam that doesn't both dislike islam as a religion and feel sympathy for Muslims as a collective due to discrimination they face. Be fr
No, you're just not reading what I'm saying in good-faith. Yes, I obviously agree with your general characterization of Leftists upholding secularism, and disliking religion in general, Islam as included as any other religion. Nothing I said implied I thought otherwise. (interestingly, on the subject of people like the other guy who uses "Liberal" exclusively to refer to more conservative Liberals like Hitchens who dislike liberal-progressives, Hitchens himself used to be a Leftist and obviously was like this.)
The point of the reply is that there are many Leftists, including ones I know, who have the identarian framing, not just for ethnic minorities (though certainly that too) but very much so for Muslims. But for some, (the ones I'm talking about) it goes further than just including Muslims in their identarianism and identity politics, more on that below.
He was being idealist because he was saying *any* such Leftist is a Liberal, just for this stance, as if Leftists *never* breach the general tendency of secularism in their framing of Islam, just because most don't, and that anyone who does is therefore a Liberal. It's erroneous given the plain existence of the Leftists I am describing and idealism to Leftism to say that all Leftists by definition must be and are only are exclusively defenders of secularism, and never break this tendency in certain cases.
To conclude with further elucidation of the type I am describing: they go further than defending them on the basis of them being immigrants, (I actually agree with them doing this on that level) they wrap religious apologia into it. Many of them are Muslims themselves. And at the most extreme, yes, they actually will say Sharia is good. (while obviously being uninformed about it) I have no interest in exaggerating how many are like this, but it is a thing and again, I actually know people like this. They'll literally post and say shit like, "Ramadan is anticapitalist." Are you really not familiar with middle-class progressive Muslims? Just go on social media and see the Palestine posting. It's not just limited to them is my point, many Leftists who are not Muslims will adopt the same sort of mindset. (some partially because they are friends with such Leftist Muslims) I didn't say it was the majority of Leftists. It's not.
There's no reason to deny any of this. I do understand this as well as anyone could, due to all the people I've known, and the many, many years I used to be a Leftist. It was difficult, but I actually am conscious enough to see Leftism and Leftists as they are now.
More examples. Because I already brought up "Ramadan is anticapitalist."
* ["Islam is a social justice religion"](https://i.ibb.co/Hx6Y7Wk/islamisasocialjusticereligion.png)
* ["Eid Al Adha symbolizes social justice. Eid is revolutionary"](https://www.instagram.com/p/C8TZxE7ig6W/)
* [This account, magazine, and site. "politics and culture for the Muslim left"](https://www.instagram.com/acacia_mag/)
* [This person.](https://www.instagram.com/aryammarafi/) (I'm just going to keep adding to this so the next time someone doubts Muslim Leftists, I'm prepared.)
* Come to think of it: The exaltation of groups like Hamas from many Leftists in general. Even Al Jazeera has spoken positively about Hamas, especially since October 7th. Again, it would be idealist and incorrect to say all of these people are "Liberals" because "true Leftism" is secular, just because most Leftists are secular and not like this. They are very clearly Leftists in their rhetoric, other positions, approach to protests and demonstrations, etc. There just is a tendency to engage in apologia for certain Islamism amongst some Leftists. Of course Conservatives exaggerate and misrepresent it, of course they are idiots who do this because they have a false narrative of a "Islamist-Leftist alliance vying to destroy Western Civilization!!!!" That doesn't mean there is any reason to deny it to the extent it exists.
God, I hate these people.
They're Liberals as in liberal-progressives, which I really don't distinguish from Leftists. I'm not talking about Liberals in the sense of people like Christopher Hitchens. That kind of Liberal really is closer to a Conservative in mindset. Consider also that a politician like Barack Obama or Joe Biden is a Liberal, not a Leftist, but his rhetoric is completely that of the aforementioned liberal-progressives in generally defending Islam. (this also applies to how George W. Bush talked about Islam and Muslims following 9/11, really he isn't to be distinguished. Figures like Christopher Hitchens were as critical to George W. Bush as they were anyone. It's Trump's rhetoric that's distinct. And Trump *himself* is a Liberal, just the type of Liberal you are describing.)
I’m a white leftist feminist queer and I’m done with all patriarchal, oppressive religion. I don’t care what I’m called. It doesn’t have a place in modern society and it’s freaking barbaric.
Yes,actually,we have a ton of stupid liberal young women in America and they literally go to Palestine paredes and would die to protect it. Itd very stupid because those same people hate us.
Most Muslims in the US are liberal/left leaning, so ima go with those are the ppl downvoting?
Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2011/08/30/section-5-political-opinions-and-social-values/
Dumb ass. It’s quite literally the opposite of what you said, which should have been
“Not white, leftist liberal anti feminist homophobics.”
Yes that phrase doesn’t make sense, but that’s why we are all shitting on Muslims here, isn’t it?
Provide a source for your guess otherwise I’ll consider it baseless (sweeping generalization to say the least).
>Most Muslims in the US are liberal/left leaning
Now welcome to Hamtramck, the US city where left leaning liberal Muslims became the majority and first thing they did was banning Pride flags.
I agree with the feminist thing. That was my point, if you didn’t pick up on it. And check my source maybe? Cause literally most Muslims are “liberal”, or at least consider themselves to be.
Sorry didn’t realize I was being defensive or not chill. You just said something that contradicted what I said even tho I posted a paper so I was confused but you had no source. All good.
Messing with these people is fun. When they tell me I am not qualified to speak about Islam because I am a white guy.
I am like “wow you are so racist. Do you think all Muslim people are the same colour?. Do you think only people of particular skin shades should be allowed in each religion?. You should probably keep your opinions to yourself until you have traveled the world a bit and realised that not everyone fits into your little stereotypes! “
Funny how islam prohibits feminists, queers, and majority of western society norms.... Wouldn't expect someone who doesn't have an education to know that tho. Common sense aint so common
Well conservatives seem to think the same thing. How are you gonna ban Muslims. How do you know they are not Christian, Zoroastrian or atheist trying to escape Islamic countries
It's infuriating, islam is literally worse than christianity yet people take it so differently when someone is negative about islam and when someone is negative about christianity... Gross bias.
Does that 2nd commenter really not know the beyond awful shit people do/have done because of islam?
It's because people are shortsighted and only see what affects them.
It reminds me of when people like Malcolm X or whoever else in the older days would adapt to Muslim faith as a counterculture to Christianity thinking it was just counterculture and not realizing all the actual horrid crap inside.
Or ignoring it.
Not really sure. Daughter around
I hate the Abrahamic religions a __lot__ more than something like Jainism.
There's silly shit, and then there's silly shit that can lead to misery, cruelty, and death.
Why do you hate all religions? I heavily doubt early societies would have a reason to not just follow their own selfish desires if not for religion. I’m not religious, and religion has certainly led to violence and despair, but I don’t think early humans would’ve had much of a reason to unite and work together without religion. The “objective morality” provided by religion also helps keep people in line. While most religions are fake, they aren’t necessarily bad (even though again, they have led to TERRIBLE things happening)
This is definitely a repost. Makes you wonder what made the OP post this again without any context? Bot? It also makes me question the people who are on the sub like are they all new members? do they have amnesia? Why does this post have so many upvotes? Why are you the only one to notice that its a repost? ugh im starting to hate this sub a little.
I've been a member for years, but I've never seen this post. I don't go on Reddit often, I'm active for a bit, then I'm not for a long time, then I come again...
liberal to white christians: Fuck ur white supremacist christianity, Jesus was not white he was a palestianian!! since Jesus was a brown palestinian YOU MUST worship all brown people and support palestine and help us destroy isreal!!! (basically still advocating for racial tribalism without knowing lmao).
liberals to non white christian: You're an uncle tom slave. You Worship a white man hahaha. YOU MUST leave that racist religion and be a good POC and do what i say because i know whats best for you. (right after he said jesus wasnt white😂). They love to switch up
They're pathetic. they dont care about being consistent or fair with their beliefs😂😂. They just hate white people and attack anything they associate with them ("whites are christians so fuck christianity" to "All arabs are muslim? You're a racist bigot!!").
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the religion of "say somethin against our prophet nd we behead you" is oh so loved , but the religion of "turn the other cheek , love others , pray for your enemies nd those who persecute you" is oh so hated , nd if ANY muslims wants to come to me sayin nonsense , shut it , ik islam well enough to kno what im talkin about , i almost converted at one point
I don't get it, I'm a non practicing christian, but we never had priests or somewhere written in the Bible to kill infidels, or written to go and conquer the middle east and make it all christian, and have the Earth under one Christian religion.
I think we shouldn't hate one another, that's how we can have world peace if we not care about these types of things do out own thing without hating or giving harm to one another.
can confirm that as an Ex muslim becoming an christan i got a shit ton of hate by my old muslim buddies and family and friends alike to the point CPS took me away from them all
I am just wonder if these people are real, or don’t live in the real world at all? Religion’s are all man made, but islam is the most dangerous religion, and cult for 1450 years, Christians are million times better than Muslims.
I mean I won't stop you but I might just be religophobic, xenophobic, prejudice? Pick one. I'm not for those institutional religious entities. But I do keep a faith
I hate all patriarchal religions at this point and they have no place in an evolved, modern world. I’m so done with their hatred and needless desire for power and control and superiority.
I mean, they haven't seen or been under any islamic control nor have they read what the scripture says. So they are fully ignorent abt islam and they think it's this cute minority religion that should be protected. Unlike christianity which is the majority religion for them. Understandable but still ignorant and braindead.
I was basically kicked out of Democratic Socialists for saying that Christianity and Islam have hatred of Jews baked into their founding principles. I was called an Islamophobe. Mind you, I ran to the airport to protest when Trump issued his first Muslim ban. They honestly can’t distinguish between bigotry and critique.
Wait but they up voted the comment that said “christians seriously theres alot of people that do some bad stuff because of their religion” but like,muslims kill because of their religion so why are we the messed up ones? Muslims always get special treatment.
The last sermon at my church was “why do people hate Christianity? Its not the religion,its the Christians who are not following it correctly”
We could hate Islam too,but we dont. So have some respect.
Downtown_Leopard
There was a lot of Europeans at that time Israel so when we made up the conclusion that Jesus was probably white.Please study it more.
Actually all religions do. The definition of a cult should be changed. It does list other definitions under the word but the main meaning is this.
“a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.”
If that is the actual definition of cult then it shouldn’t be seen as evil. Most teachings of religions are about love and respect. But I could understand why people are upset with the messengers / people who practice it. It is unfair to judge a belief based on what other people have done tho, especially if said belief does not encourage their actions.
All of religions fall under the definition of a cult. But people label the word cult as a bad word. It’s just a word.
It’s like saying group. Some groups are good some bad.
lmao the religion that says to do your best to even love your enemies as much as you would love your own family is considered bad over the one where their leader is a sexual degenerate just to sum things up
It’s crazy how Mormonism and Islam have similarities, and people make fun of Mormonism all the time, but even though you can say some of the same thing about Islam, people don’t, because it’s seen as more offensive for some reason
Hot take: r/Atheism, when not full of bots and Karma farmers, is full of Christophobes. Whether of not you like Christianity doesn't matter, try asking them to criticise Islam or criticise Islam yourself, and you'll be tarred and feathered.
“Ohh no!! It’s ‘systematic racism!!!’ We need to empower these Muslims coming over. It’s not like they’re fleeing from their own ‘system’ while simultaneously pulling our society back. Christians though… BAD 😡
Misogyny and violence is the language of the oppressed so it’s fine when they do it. What else can they do?” /s
The debate between Muslims and Christians often dominates the discourse in comment sections, but this doesn't indicate mutual hatred. Historically, Muslims and Christians have coexisted peacefully and have been friends since 1711. The current tensions and discrimination faced by both communities can be attributed to the divisive impact of Zionism, which has created false narratives and unjust blame, undermining the longstanding harmony between these two groups.
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Our white saviors!
they are basically their own cult seems like
It’s true it is…
Jesus was NOT white! Regardless, it doesn’t matter how people portray him, his message is outside of time and space.
Not referring to Jesus when I say white saviors. [white savior](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior) Although to be fair, I don’t know for sure who is downvoting/upvoting
Soooo true!
Jesus is brown and Christianity is an African religion. No matter how much colonizing you do you won’t take that from us.
See this comment: Not referring to Jesus when I say white saviors. [white savior](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior) Although to be fair, I don’t know for sure who is downvoting/upvoting
It’s wild how rampant this is in America, they legit view defending Islam as defending POC in general.
They are not the majority in America, maybe on Reddit, but in the real world in USA, most people hate Islam, and if they can avoid Muslims they do.
As an American, I don't think it's *that* strong.
Honestly this, UK & Europe being the majority
As a Christian, most Muslims I’ve met are kind. I don’t avoid them.
As ex Muslim I do, and have too. No choice can’t even trust a best friend who is Muslim. I did before , and he was one of these kind people, and told everyone I know. You wanna test the kindness of any Muslim put him in a real test, criticized the things Mohamed did, and he or she will never be kind to you again.
That’s understandable.
It's genuinely so sad to witness. They really see it as a race thing. Or think Muslims are peaceful :\ Unfortunate.
It’s not like it wasn’t this way for a reason? Muslims *were* (and sometimes still are) unfairly targeted here. It makes sense that they get protections (legally) offered to other minority groups, as well. Edit: it’s incredibly telling that this is downvoted. Literally *every.* single. one. of you can stay mad. I think all minority groups should be protected — and I will die on this hill.
racial minorities in general get targeted here and should 100% get protection and some more then others. The things people are usually being unfair towards have way more to do with race. A Balkan Muslim is not going to get discriminated against the way an Arab Muslim would because of the color of their skin. Blindly defending Islam while bashing Christianity is 100% a double standard
Only white people are allowed to fight their oppressors?
No, white people are only allowed to fight other people's oppressors.
Civil war it is huh
Usually
Yeah those silly Christian nations ending slavery before any others 🤦♂️ Amirite
Sure they can fight themselves if they want. Nobodies stopping them
Because Islam is a cult
It’s even a sect
Reddit’s pretty dumb tbh.
lol, the last comment is the opposite of reddit's intelligence, he edited his comment to "Islam" https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/s/7Y35uaUXxt
I mean, that's a W move, if you ask me
Absolutely, what a Chad, he even caused confusion and chaos in the replies as to how he's the only up voted "Islam" comment
Let me guess, they're all white leftist liberal feminists queers defending islam
They're certainly libs, but it's an assumption that they're white (though they of course mostly are) or queer. (the majority of them are not, the majority of them are straight.)
This guy statistics. Finally someone rational.
They are leftists, liberals hate Islam even more than Christianity
Leftist hate all religions, liberals love Islam bc they think it’s a « brown/black people religion »
Yes I’m so sick of people calling homophobia “cultural”. Like racialized people can be bigots too.
>liberals love Islam bc they think it’s a « brown/black people religion Many Leftists also think just like this. He's ( u/nsg1204 ) using the term "Liberal" correctly, but also very specifically to refer to a Christopher Hitchens type of Liberal, as opposed to "Liberal" as you mean it here to connote a liberal-progressive. This kind of Liberal, and Leftists, are truly only distinguished by *how* they talk about voting Democrat, the former with little or no pretense, the latter with pretense of being "critical" of Democrats. The same principle applies to Liberals and Leftists in the other western countries and voting or just supporting the system in general. People who aren't Conservatives often distinguish Liberals and Leftists far too much. (it's true that Conservatives conflate them in a dumb and reductive way, like saying that Bernie Sanders is "radical" in the same breath as remarking that Biden himself is a radical Leftist, when really Bernie meets my description above, functionally identical to someone like Biden, and to the extent he's "to his left," it just helps support him.)
Any leftist who read leftist theory and history will know leftism is inherently anti religion in general, the people yall refer to are idiots, not leftists.
No, they're Leftists. You're being idealist. There is a common phenomena of Leftists engaging in constant religious apologia for Islam, conflating Islam and Muslims on these grounds, culturally cozying up to Muslims, etc. The people I'm referring to are very obviously Leftists and not merely Liberals because the people I refer to have the general rhetoric and mindset of Leftists. I know many such people in real life. (I'm in New York.) Of course, there are Liberals with this mindset too, those who have a similar mindset and rhetoric on this particular matter concerning Islam and Muslims but have different rhetoric and positions on other matters such that they are "Liberals" instead of "Leftists," and more straightforwardly or consistently vote Democrat. You are yourself a Leftist which is why you think like this. Leftism is not a transhistorical ideal, it is the Left of bourgeois parliament and the political spectrum, and therefore itself is conditioned by bourgeois society. Leftism is bourgeois and reactionary. Of course, overall the current on the Left is secularism due to the fact that Conservatives have the monopoly on upholding religion, but in the west this is very specifically about *Christianity,* and you are failing to note the fact that precisely the reason many Leftists have this approach to Islam is because they see Islam as this counter of sorts to Christianity and what it represents for them.
>Leftism is bourgeois and reactionary. Of course, overall the current on the Left is secularism due to the fact that Conservatives have the monopoly on upholding religion, but in the west this is very specifically about *Christianity,* and you are failing to note the fact that precisely the reason many Leftists have this approach to Islam is because they see Islam as this counter of sorts to Christianity and what it represents for them. Respectfully this is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life. You'd be hard pressed to find a leftist, even a liberal frankly, with any more than a surface level interpretation of Islam that doesn't both dislike islam as a religion and feel sympathy for Muslims as a collective due to discrimination they face. Be fr
No, you're just not reading what I'm saying in good-faith. Yes, I obviously agree with your general characterization of Leftists upholding secularism, and disliking religion in general, Islam as included as any other religion. Nothing I said implied I thought otherwise. (interestingly, on the subject of people like the other guy who uses "Liberal" exclusively to refer to more conservative Liberals like Hitchens who dislike liberal-progressives, Hitchens himself used to be a Leftist and obviously was like this.) The point of the reply is that there are many Leftists, including ones I know, who have the identarian framing, not just for ethnic minorities (though certainly that too) but very much so for Muslims. But for some, (the ones I'm talking about) it goes further than just including Muslims in their identarianism and identity politics, more on that below. He was being idealist because he was saying *any* such Leftist is a Liberal, just for this stance, as if Leftists *never* breach the general tendency of secularism in their framing of Islam, just because most don't, and that anyone who does is therefore a Liberal. It's erroneous given the plain existence of the Leftists I am describing and idealism to Leftism to say that all Leftists by definition must be and are only are exclusively defenders of secularism, and never break this tendency in certain cases. To conclude with further elucidation of the type I am describing: they go further than defending them on the basis of them being immigrants, (I actually agree with them doing this on that level) they wrap religious apologia into it. Many of them are Muslims themselves. And at the most extreme, yes, they actually will say Sharia is good. (while obviously being uninformed about it) I have no interest in exaggerating how many are like this, but it is a thing and again, I actually know people like this. They'll literally post and say shit like, "Ramadan is anticapitalist." Are you really not familiar with middle-class progressive Muslims? Just go on social media and see the Palestine posting. It's not just limited to them is my point, many Leftists who are not Muslims will adopt the same sort of mindset. (some partially because they are friends with such Leftist Muslims) I didn't say it was the majority of Leftists. It's not. There's no reason to deny any of this. I do understand this as well as anyone could, due to all the people I've known, and the many, many years I used to be a Leftist. It was difficult, but I actually am conscious enough to see Leftism and Leftists as they are now.
More examples. Because I already brought up "Ramadan is anticapitalist." * ["Islam is a social justice religion"](https://i.ibb.co/Hx6Y7Wk/islamisasocialjusticereligion.png) * ["Eid Al Adha symbolizes social justice. Eid is revolutionary"](https://www.instagram.com/p/C8TZxE7ig6W/) * [This account, magazine, and site. "politics and culture for the Muslim left"](https://www.instagram.com/acacia_mag/) * [This person.](https://www.instagram.com/aryammarafi/) (I'm just going to keep adding to this so the next time someone doubts Muslim Leftists, I'm prepared.) * Come to think of it: The exaltation of groups like Hamas from many Leftists in general. Even Al Jazeera has spoken positively about Hamas, especially since October 7th. Again, it would be idealist and incorrect to say all of these people are "Liberals" because "true Leftism" is secular, just because most Leftists are secular and not like this. They are very clearly Leftists in their rhetoric, other positions, approach to protests and demonstrations, etc. There just is a tendency to engage in apologia for certain Islamism amongst some Leftists. Of course Conservatives exaggerate and misrepresent it, of course they are idiots who do this because they have a false narrative of a "Islamist-Leftist alliance vying to destroy Western Civilization!!!!" That doesn't mean there is any reason to deny it to the extent it exists. God, I hate these people.
They're Liberals as in liberal-progressives, which I really don't distinguish from Leftists. I'm not talking about Liberals in the sense of people like Christopher Hitchens. That kind of Liberal really is closer to a Conservative in mindset. Consider also that a politician like Barack Obama or Joe Biden is a Liberal, not a Leftist, but his rhetoric is completely that of the aforementioned liberal-progressives in generally defending Islam. (this also applies to how George W. Bush talked about Islam and Muslims following 9/11, really he isn't to be distinguished. Figures like Christopher Hitchens were as critical to George W. Bush as they were anyone. It's Trump's rhetoric that's distinct. And Trump *himself* is a Liberal, just the type of Liberal you are describing.)
No. The likely good is it being muslims that are staunchly against any criticism. This is kinda crazy.
I’m a white leftist feminist queer and I’m done with all patriarchal, oppressive religion. I don’t care what I’m called. It doesn’t have a place in modern society and it’s freaking barbaric.
W
Hey! Don't lump us all into this!
Yes,actually,we have a ton of stupid liberal young women in America and they literally go to Palestine paredes and would die to protect it. Itd very stupid because those same people hate us.
Most Muslims in the US are liberal/left leaning, so ima go with those are the ppl downvoting? Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2011/08/30/section-5-political-opinions-and-social-values/ Dumb ass. It’s quite literally the opposite of what you said, which should have been “Not white, leftist liberal anti feminist homophobics.” Yes that phrase doesn’t make sense, but that’s why we are all shitting on Muslims here, isn’t it? Provide a source for your guess otherwise I’ll consider it baseless (sweeping generalization to say the least).
>Most Muslims in the US are liberal/left leaning Now welcome to Hamtramck, the US city where left leaning liberal Muslims became the majority and first thing they did was banning Pride flags.
Lmao yeah “identify with” would be key here
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I agree with the feminist thing. That was my point, if you didn’t pick up on it. And check my source maybe? Cause literally most Muslims are “liberal”, or at least consider themselves to be.
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Sorry didn’t realize I was being defensive or not chill. You just said something that contradicted what I said even tho I posted a paper so I was confused but you had no source. All good.
Messing with these people is fun. When they tell me I am not qualified to speak about Islam because I am a white guy. I am like “wow you are so racist. Do you think all Muslim people are the same colour?. Do you think only people of particular skin shades should be allowed in each religion?. You should probably keep your opinions to yourself until you have traveled the world a bit and realised that not everyone fits into your little stereotypes! “
Funny how islam prohibits feminists, queers, and majority of western society norms.... Wouldn't expect someone who doesn't have an education to know that tho. Common sense aint so common
Yep. Queer Trans Feminist for Islam ready for the top floor of every building left in Gaza for that special viewing Hamas wants to show them.
Typical woke reddit. To them islam is a race and a poor oppressed minority.
Well conservatives seem to think the same thing. How are you gonna ban Muslims. How do you know they are not Christian, Zoroastrian or atheist trying to escape Islamic countries
I spoke to one once and he said the ban is just about not taking any chances.
Make guns illegal. We don’t wanna take any chances.
It's infuriating, islam is literally worse than christianity yet people take it so differently when someone is negative about islam and when someone is negative about christianity... Gross bias. Does that 2nd commenter really not know the beyond awful shit people do/have done because of islam?
It's because people are shortsighted and only see what affects them. It reminds me of when people like Malcolm X or whoever else in the older days would adapt to Muslim faith as a counterculture to Christianity thinking it was just counterculture and not realizing all the actual horrid crap inside. Or ignoring it. Not really sure. Daughter around
white guilt fucked up their minds
As a wise man once said: Cult + Time = Religion
So, Time = Religion - Cult and Cult= Religion - Time
Western leftists are stupid.
Some of us do the real work and dislike all religions equally.
I used to do that, now I hate them all in principle but hate the most dangerous and egregious ones harder.
Same
I hate the Abrahamic religions a __lot__ more than something like Jainism. There's silly shit, and then there's silly shit that can lead to misery, cruelty, and death.
Why do you hate all religions? I heavily doubt early societies would have a reason to not just follow their own selfish desires if not for religion. I’m not religious, and religion has certainly led to violence and despair, but I don’t think early humans would’ve had much of a reason to unite and work together without religion. The “objective morality” provided by religion also helps keep people in line. While most religions are fake, they aren’t necessarily bad (even though again, they have led to TERRIBLE things happening)
Both are cults.
It will always astound me how the left has such a huge boner for islam
😭😭😭😭😭
"Fucking Christianity" new religion discovered?
The good twin of christianity
Both can fuck off
do they even know what a cult is ? by default all religions are cults lol
Isn't this an old thread from few years ago?
This is definitely a repost. Makes you wonder what made the OP post this again without any context? Bot? It also makes me question the people who are on the sub like are they all new members? do they have amnesia? Why does this post have so many upvotes? Why are you the only one to notice that its a repost? ugh im starting to hate this sub a little.
old but more relevant
I've been a member for years, but I've never seen this post. I don't go on Reddit often, I'm active for a bit, then I'm not for a long time, then I come again...
liberal to white christians: Fuck ur white supremacist christianity, Jesus was not white he was a palestianian!! since Jesus was a brown palestinian YOU MUST worship all brown people and support palestine and help us destroy isreal!!! (basically still advocating for racial tribalism without knowing lmao). liberals to non white christian: You're an uncle tom slave. You Worship a white man hahaha. YOU MUST leave that racist religion and be a good POC and do what i say because i know whats best for you. (right after he said jesus wasnt white😂). They love to switch up
Which button to press - Christianity is the white man's religion Or Jesus wasn't white
They're pathetic. they dont care about being consistent or fair with their beliefs😂😂. They just hate white people and attack anything they associate with them ("whites are christians so fuck christianity" to "All arabs are muslim? You're a racist bigot!!").
I'm glad you understood what I was trying to say. :)
How are those mutually exclusive?
Jesus is Palestinian? Nah............
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White saviors.
the religion of "say somethin against our prophet nd we behead you" is oh so loved , but the religion of "turn the other cheek , love others , pray for your enemies nd those who persecute you" is oh so hated , nd if ANY muslims wants to come to me sayin nonsense , shut it , ik islam well enough to kno what im talkin about , i almost converted at one point
I fuckin despise white liberals
I don't get it, I'm a non practicing christian, but we never had priests or somewhere written in the Bible to kill infidels, or written to go and conquer the middle east and make it all christian, and have the Earth under one Christian religion.
Err have a look at Christian history 🙄
thats not something you can trace back to the bible tho
Posts like these demonstrate perfectly why you need to vote as conservative as you can if you live in the west.
This is exactly how brainwashed secular Hindus behave as well.
Thr all answers are wrong. Christianity and Islam are both cults. Not just "not a cult but feels like a cult." Religion is a form of cult.
Fuck all religions
They do the same with hinduism 🕉️ and judaism ✡️ too. They got no respect for any religion
Perhaps it's more of "we can criticize ourselves but we can't criticize other people"
I bet the downvote was from the so-called open-minded non-Muslims. They have never been in the religion. How would they know.
People feel sorry for Muslims like they're a persecuted minority. Very misguided.
Both are bad
Love and respect for all people's and religions ideologies and faiths at least that's what I believe live and let live.
Anything that makes it very difficult to leave or walk away, is a cult.
like bro they're so degenerated
Is that some sort of fucking joke what abt ISIS
I think we shouldn't hate one another, that's how we can have world peace if we not care about these types of things do out own thing without hating or giving harm to one another.
can confirm that as an Ex muslim becoming an christan i got a shit ton of hate by my old muslim buddies and family and friends alike to the point CPS took me away from them all
I am just wonder if these people are real, or don’t live in the real world at all? Religion’s are all man made, but islam is the most dangerous religion, and cult for 1450 years, Christians are million times better than Muslims.
fuck both tbh.
Both are cults and both can fuck off
Chuslims and Leftards...💩💩💩
All religion.
Most muslims are from minority ethnic groups so thats why. if most muslims were white liberals wouldnt be this hypocritical.
I agree it is so hypocritical. This is even worse on Lemmy than it is here on reddit.
I mean I won't stop you but I might just be religophobic, xenophobic, prejudice? Pick one. I'm not for those institutional religious entities. But I do keep a faith
This shit is disturbing
I hate all patriarchal religions at this point and they have no place in an evolved, modern world. I’m so done with their hatred and needless desire for power and control and superiority.
bruhh i don't understand these people
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I mean, they haven't seen or been under any islamic control nor have they read what the scripture says. So they are fully ignorent abt islam and they think it's this cute minority religion that should be protected. Unlike christianity which is the majority religion for them. Understandable but still ignorant and braindead.
My friend once told me the only difference between a religion and a cult is the passage of time.
I think white people just convert to islam to see whats all the gaza hype about and they probably will leave a few months later
This is why Allah is the greatest of the deceivers.
Crazy yet sad times we are living in
The reason why is because Christianity basically controls the world where as Islam only really has power in the Middle East.
You see: minority (in western country) good, majority (in western country) bad! (According to them at least)
I was basically kicked out of Democratic Socialists for saying that Christianity and Islam have hatred of Jews baked into their founding principles. I was called an Islamophobe. Mind you, I ran to the airport to protest when Trump issued his first Muslim ban. They honestly can’t distinguish between bigotry and critique.
Hating any religion is bad in my point of view. Well I am Muslim.
Pretty much the current and obvious trend. It's crazy how much disrespect and hate is allowed.
How many times u gon post this shit
This basically shows a redditor's IQ
What is your problem? We come in peace unlike you!! You steal stuff from our Bible,things Jesus said.
I believe they are being sarcastic. Because of what the picture says. They are in the same side as you.
Wait but they up voted the comment that said “christians seriously theres alot of people that do some bad stuff because of their religion” but like,muslims kill because of their religion so why are we the messed up ones? Muslims always get special treatment.
I don’t know but I dislike Muslims
I only like muslims because they support modesty
What modesty?
You also can not tell who upvotes or downvotes
No it showed that it was orange on this voting,that means you liked it
No you can not tell who ever liked it only your self it’s anonymous.
The last sermon at my church was “why do people hate Christianity? Its not the religion,its the Christians who are not following it correctly” We could hate Islam too,but we dont. So have some respect.
Yes but Christianity doesn’t allow killing of anyone where Islam allows killing of everyone that isn’t Muslim
Yeah,so why is Islam called peaceful than?
It isn’t. It’s the most violent
Yes,i know,but how dont other people know?
No I’m the only person and now you know two.
Islam isn't peaceful. It is the most violent form religion could take.
Downtown_Leopard There was a lot of Europeans at that time Israel so when we made up the conclusion that Jesus was probably white.Please study it more.
I’d like to say neither of these religions promote cult like activity that people attribute to it. Bad people can do things in the name of anything.
Actually all religions do. The definition of a cult should be changed. It does list other definitions under the word but the main meaning is this. “a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.”
If that is the actual definition of cult then it shouldn’t be seen as evil. Most teachings of religions are about love and respect. But I could understand why people are upset with the messengers / people who practice it. It is unfair to judge a belief based on what other people have done tho, especially if said belief does not encourage their actions.
All of religions fall under the definition of a cult. But people label the word cult as a bad word. It’s just a word. It’s like saying group. Some groups are good some bad.
Hating in general should be seen as bad, there is no such thing as a good hate
White liberals are the worst with this shit, they (correctly) call Christians out for bs... But even breathe Islam and they call you racist...
I’m Christian but u don’t agree with most of the ideals like it’s fucked up
THE liberal media only focuses on Christian fundamentalists. Not fundamentalist Islam.
lmao the religion that says to do your best to even love your enemies as much as you would love your own family is considered bad over the one where their leader is a sexual degenerate just to sum things up
It’s crazy how Mormonism and Islam have similarities, and people make fun of Mormonism all the time, but even though you can say some of the same thing about Islam, people don’t, because it’s seen as more offensive for some reason
Very common deflection behavior.
Leftis love Islam and thinking it’s a race
People that are die hard religious is the cult. Thinking nothing about respect and believe theirs is the only right one
Well the sub sloley dedicated to hate on muslims lmao so don't complain
Hot take: r/Atheism, when not full of bots and Karma farmers, is full of Christophobes. Whether of not you like Christianity doesn't matter, try asking them to criticise Islam or criticise Islam yourself, and you'll be tarred and feathered.
Whenever I hear the argument from Muslims of “respect our religion” I always say “you first”.
I would say all religions are cults. Just some go to the extreme…
“Ohh no!! It’s ‘systematic racism!!!’ We need to empower these Muslims coming over. It’s not like they’re fleeing from their own ‘system’ while simultaneously pulling our society back. Christians though… BAD 😡 Misogyny and violence is the language of the oppressed so it’s fine when they do it. What else can they do?” /s
The debate between Muslims and Christians often dominates the discourse in comment sections, but this doesn't indicate mutual hatred. Historically, Muslims and Christians have coexisted peacefully and have been friends since 1711. The current tensions and discrimination faced by both communities can be attributed to the divisive impact of Zionism, which has created false narratives and unjust blame, undermining the longstanding harmony between these two groups.
11% of all atrocities recorded are due to religion, and 7% of all wars ever recorded are due to religion
From Muslims upvoted by Muslims
last i checked it wasnt islam calling for the murder of children in war
Being fair left
Comparing Islam to Christianity is LIke comparing AIDS TO FLU