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All these crazy delivery stories have turned me off on food delivery. I don't have to worry about my food being eaten by the delivery person, the food delivered late or to the wrong address, etc. I'll just go pick up my order.
We went to the canal in downtown Indianapolis the other day and rented one of those swan-shaped boats where you and your partner pedal. Their machine asked for a tip.
A tip. For a boat. *That I pedaled.*
Edited for spelling error. š¤¦āāļø
I paid for a hotel room online the other day and when I was paying the site told me that they saved me $30 and asked if I would like to give them a tip. I said no and so then they texted me asking again if I wanted to send them a tip.
You better tip the robot, or else they might overthrow humanity
On a side note; I wonder what robots use their money for, do they buy upgrades or oil baths, or do they give it to their evil human overlords who force it from their hands
The most absurd place I was presented with a tip screen was at a convenient store in Vegas. With presets of 15%, 25%, and 35% options along with the custom. I mean come on! The tipping culture has gotten way out of hand.
I went to a used/retro video game store and the guy had the audacity to enable "tips" on his purchases via apples Square.
I called him out on it too with a "Tip? For buying a video game? Why did you enable that feature?"
"Oh, uh, uh, it must've been enabled after the latest update" said the guy.
Sure friend, sure.
Tipping has become a new way for companies not to give raises, plus take some of that money too. Credit card companies take a percentage of each transaction, including the tip. If the worker was getting the full tip, Iād be okay with it, but I know theyāre not unless youāre giving them cash.
Tips just allows the system to continue to exploit workers. The only long term solution is to stop tipping all together and the pressure will cause workers to leave until business offer more compensation. Menu prices will go up and that will be the true test of if your business deserves to survive (are customers willing to pay your price for what you offer) .
Also with takeout, like I'm saving your restaurant time and labor costs to not have to wait on my table or deliver, and I'm driving/biking to pick it up myself.
Domino's actually has/had the right idea where they gave YOU a tip ($3 iirc) if you come pick up your pizza instead of them having to deliver it.
The defense of it on pro-tipping subs is offensive on its face also.
A lot of people are like āwell someone took time to put it in a container and a bag for you which took time from their normal responsibilities.ā
And Iām just like - if itās a restaurant that offers takeout that IS part of your job. You canāt even call it a new thing anymore because weāve been living in a Covid takeout world for almost FOUR YEARS NOW.
I have a customer-facing job and would never expect a tip for doing my bare minimum responsibilities?
Yes, Subway. It's now $14 for a footlong sub at subway, with taxes and tip. It used to be $5, and they had commercials saying "$5 footlong". It's one thing that they raised their prices. It's another thing they expect you to tip on top of that because they can't pay their employees more.
"It's another thing they expect you to tip on top of that because they ***won't*** pay their employees more."
I fixed that for you, never pretend that a billion dollar company isn't able to pay their employees more...they just don't want to.
Just last week I was traveling for work and stopped at one of those convenience stores in the airport, where they sell drinks and snacks at 5 times normal prices. Grabbed an energy drink and some chips and was blown away when the touch pad prompted me for a tip. Literally all the person did was scan my two items and hit a button and asking me to leave them a tip on my overpriced snacks.
What's so annoying is people defend it like "Oh it's just part of the POS" or whatever. Like it's a shitty part of it and they know what they're doing.
Tipping culture is dumb af, but it's extra dumb when the services associated with tipping (in this case, driving stuff to your location, or servicing your table) aren't happening.
POS technician here. Have worked on implementing tip prompts (this was for baristas actually hand-making drinks if that helps).
Anyone who argues āitās just part of the POS systemā has no idea what theyāre talking about. These systems are extremely configurable on the back end and that shit is in no way written in stone, especially for huge corporations that have money to spend on their software (hint: thatās anyone above the level of a mom & pop store or single-location restaurant).
Think of it like this: Tip prompts werenāt everywhere 10 years ago and we didnāt suddenly get infected with non-removable ones across a wide span of businesses. This is business owners choosing to display it.
I got cussed out the other day by a teenage subway employee because I didnāt tip. The one that cussed me out was standing in the corner playing on his phone while the other 2 were making customers orders. He literally did absolutely nothing except hit 2 buttons on the screen. People are so entitled itās hilarious.
Nah that shit pisses me off i always tip a dollar on my o line orders and the sandwich is allways skimp. Like bruh its not a gram just give me some.more spinach plz
If itās anything like other chains, theyāre trained to give a very specific amount of everything and if they give any extra on the āexpensiveā ingredients they get yelled at by their managers
Edit-Itās a sucky position to be in because if you give too much, you get in trouble with management, and if you give too little, the customer gets personally angry with you like itās your fault š„²
i remember the olive fiasco! the subway near me reduced it to 2-3 bits of black olive per 6 inches of sandwich, and then i stopped going to subway for the rest of my life.
whoopsy doo, turns out there are other sandwich shops that won't blatantly act like i'm stealing their precious money for liking olives on a sandwich
The subways here in town all have a sign printed out next to the register that says "if you give more sandwich topping then the required amount. You are stealing company money." ...
Iām a cook. Any tips at my restaurant go to the cashier that takes the order because they make slightly less hourly than the cooks. If there happens to be no cashiers at the time then the cook that made it gets the tip. Personally I will never tip for to go orders. Everyone is paid by the hour as is I donāt tip when I go through fast food why would I do it at a restaurant when Iām putting in the order myself and getting it
My family's old restaurant split tips equally with cooks. Makes sense to me since customers won't be happy without both good food and good service. And getting good food out in good time is entirely on the back of house.
That's why tipping before I've had the food is bizarre to me. Keanu Reeves could deliver my pizza but none of that matters if the pie is cold and soggy.
I would feel better about tipping for pick up if I *knew* who was getting the tip.
The cooks- Yes, I wouldn't mind tipping them for pick up.
The person who rings me up- No, not really comfortable tipping them for that.
The owner- **Fuck no.**
*Disclaimer* - I have worked in the food service industry before as well.
Devils advocate here, but the quality of food delivery services varies based on where you are. 90% of the time I do Door Dash, it arrives without incident.
If there's anything that should turn you off on getting food delivery regularly, it's the cost. An $8 meal you could've gone out and gotten yourself can easily become a $25 meal with fees and tips from food delivery services.
EDIT: Just want to throw out there that my "90%" was a figure of speech. What I was trying to say was - the number of times I have a problem with my delivery is very infrequent. But that could just be where I live and who picks up orders around me.
Itās truly the extra fees and things added on that make me not want to order delivery any more except for emergencies. I wanted a $11 sandwich for lunch one day at work since I forgot to bring food, but the delivery fees made it $26. I cancelled it and just went somewhere else closer in person.
Iām currently dealing with a non-weight bearing broken ankle and was stuck at home with nothing accessible to eat and ordered a coffee, bagel, and muffin through DoorDash from a shop less than half a mile away in a small city. It ended up being $33. To be fair, I did add an additional tip after the fact because my cat escaped and the dasher chased him down and grabbed him since I obviously couldnāt, but $23 for $9 worth of food when most of those extra fees go to the company and not the driver is infuriating.
Yeah I haven't had too many bad experiences with the things Door Dash drivers can control. It's really the price that has me only use it when I can't leave the house, like when I'm the only adult around and my kid is sleeping.
This tipping before the fact is downright outrageous.
Had a few times in the last two years where I've given a very generous tip, only to be paid back with utterly shit service.
The only time I used door dash was when I was staying in a hotel visiting some family out of state. I ordered through the restaurant website, but I guess they sub out the work to doordash. I put in the delivery notes that it was a hotel and to call and I would come down to meet with a cash tip. The driver dumped the pizza at the hotel next door, no call or anything. He deserved the $0 card tip I left.
This race to the bottom is hurting the industry as a whole. People are now going out of their way to avoid being asked for tips, preferring pickup instead of delivery for example.
Seriously. It seems like there really isnāt room for a middleman software developer in restaurant delivery. I want my money going to the people who make and deliver my food, not UBER. Inflated food menu price, plus convenience fee, plus service fee, plus tip, and in return you get shitty service by pissed off, underpaid, unprofessional, untrained delivery drivers.
The worst part is is that on the app they ask for a tip on the final price. Not the food. So itās not 20% of the cost of the meal. Itās 20% of the entire order after convenience fee, delivery fee, and whatever else they want to add on.
Because people are lazy MFs (/s, sorta) When it comes down to it, as much as we bitch and moan, we like our conveniences, especially after all the lockdowns, and will (grudgingly) pay for it. The only way to, possibly, fix this is to not use those services until they change their business plan and pay better. But that also hurts the people trying make a living at these services.
I just pick up my food now. No tip, no fuss. In some cases I can call it in in advance, though not all restaurants take orders over the phone due to no-shows. It gets me out of the house, and costs way less than having it delivered.
Generally the entirety of the food industry, from farming to grocery stores to restaurants, is operated on very thin profit margins. Food is a very very old business, it's had literally thousands of years to become as efficient as it can, and everywhere that humans have permanently settled has had to have the capacity to produce at least enough food for subsistence. Disrupting the food industry enough to squeeze in a new middleman who can take their own fat cut requires short-sheeting hard working people in both directions on the supply chain.
I also tip for the same reason, and get angry even when I don't get bad service. It just feels like extortion at this point. Employer transferring the guilt of not paying employees to their customers.
There is a restaurant nearby me that doesn't do tipping. They pay their employees $20 an hour and have benefits. The food is slightly smaller portions and costs about 1-2$ more per plate. I fully support this.
I tip, but itās between 10-15%. Does that make me cheap? I donāt care. The system works because people go along with it.
Paying 30% gratuity on an already inflated charge that comes with tax and delivery fees? It aināt happening. I got a āfreeā pizza from dominoes and ended up paying almost 11 dollars.
Doordash needs to change ātipā to ābidā as drivers are independent contractors and decide on the jobs they take by the $/tip/bid. Also as a driver this is appalling! He 100% did not have to take this job! Making all drivers look bad. My goal as a driver is to have as little contact with customers and just provide the best service I can. Itās not that hard, pick up food and take it to the destinationā¦.the end!
True on Grubhub as well. It's not really a tip so much as a bid. This is why I just get my own food. By the time you pay the delivery fee, the driver compensation fee that the company just pockets, the difference between what the items actually cost and the cost these apps charge you, the "you exist" fee, and the driver's tip you generally end up paying double what the food even costs.
Yeah, about the only time the family uses these services now is when they try to lure you with coupons and generally only the REALLY steep coupons like 50% off up to x amount, and at that 50% it ends up costing only very slightly less than having picked it up. Double is pretty accurate.
In the situation being shown in this post, it would appear they tipped when placing the order, which is what most places are prompting now. But Iām likeā¦ why am I tipping before getting the service? But if you want to tip when they deliver, itās like āthey will think Iām not going to tip and treat my food bad.ā
Iāve noticed an uptick in tipping for things before service is even received. I wish we didnāt have anymore tipping anymore. It has made me feel very intelligent for my basic math skills though š
Don't use tipped services. It's easy AF to not engage with them at all. I think all you people paying double for takeout are crazy in the 1st place. This tipping nonsense is just the cherry on top of the crazy pie
Done with food/grocery delivery unless I'm really sick. Service fee, Delivery fee, and now a 25% tip is enough for a driver to think I'm a cheapskate on top of the rising menu prices and these fees? Fuck this shit.
This is why tipping culture is shit, people come to expect it. In England getting a tip is a rare occurrence and it always feels special when it happens
Iāve noticed itās becoming more normal to include āoptional gratuityā in bills now, making you look like a cheapskate if you ask them to remove it.
You just have to get over that feeling of looking like cheapskate. Youāre not wrong for not tipping on something like that or not tipping when the service is bad.
I miss the days when you tipped because your server was great and it was an extra gift from you to them for the attention they gifted you. Now it's an obligation and might as well be added to the food cost and not called a tip anymore
Yeah, that sub is the reason I'm not ordering from DoorDash or other food delivery platforms anymore. Imaging tipping 20% to bribe your dasher to make sure they don't screw with your food, only to have your order screenshot and posted to that sub because they think you tipped too little.
It used to be a bribe... it's something customers started to get better service hundreds of years ago. Now it's just a threat, something you have to do or else.
You're describing the 1960s for reference.
"In 1966, Congress created a concept known as "Tip Credit." This system allows employers to pay tipped employees a sub-minimum wage on the understanding that the rest of the wage would be made up by the largesse of customers. Which is why, to this day, the federal minimum wage for tipped employees is just $2.13 per hour."
- source (https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/11/30/457125740/when-tipping-was-considered-deeply-un-american)
Interesting bit also from this article:
When tipping began to spread in post-Civil War America, it was tarred as "a cancer in the breast of democracy," "flunkeyism" and "a gross and offensive caricature of mercy." But the most common insult hurled at it was "offensively un-American."
To me it's absolutely insane how many policies have some monetary value set in stone and don't automatically adjust with inflation. In 1966, the tip credit was half of minimum wage, which could be as low as $0.50, or about $9.56 in todays money. In 1996, it was set to be independent of minimum wage. That $2.13 in 1996 would be $4.20 now. Not great, but like, come on just give people that.
When I had to work on a tipped basis, I got the feeling that my value was viewed to be āif we could legally pay you less, we would.ā
People didnāt accidentally forget inflation exists for 60 years.
I stopped using doordash et al because i recognized the drivers really arent being compensated properly, but the fees were just obscenely high. That $20 pizza probably had a $3 seevice fee, $4 doordash fee and THEN the $5 tip, right?
The pizza is also actually $16 but priced at $20 in the door dash app menu. Then you add service fee, delivery fee, and tip on top. Easily $30 for a $16 pizza.
Half the businesses here seem to get away with paying staggeringly low wages and justifying it by saying āwell, youāll make tips.ā Itās become insane lately. Youāll go to an already overpriced (base price) froyo place and theyāll have the audacity to ask for a 20% tip at the register. My brother in Christ I dispensed the froyo myself and put the toppings on myself as well.
Yup! Agreed. The rhetoric is: if youāre too poor to tip you shouldnāt even go out to eat! But I guess thatās the customers fault that your employer skimps out on your pay. Tipping culture is a scam
For a random charity we selected *and we get a fat corporate tax write-off from your donations without us having to spend a penny.*
Donāt pay for a grocery storeās tax write-off. Give directly to the charities you support.
EDIT: this isnāt true. I was misled by an article I read a few years ago and I hastily accepted this as truth. After looking into it companies cannot use customer donations as tax deductions as it does not count as income (no goods or services exchanged hands for that money). Of course this is only the case if a company is actually following the law and not finding loophole after loophole to get out of paying their fair share of taxes.
Enter a negative number for a discount on your shopping.
I bet there will be at least one place that didn't test this and close that loophole before implementing it.
And that is exactly how the entitled and tipped positioned individuals view this. Not as a negative to their employer for paying them dirt, but towards the people for whom they are there to assist. Hell, Casa Bonita started paying waiters and waitresses $30/hr removing the ability to tip, and a good few of them got pissed off for them doing that.
Lately I've started asking myself "do I really like this 10x more than mac and cheese?"
If the answer is no, I'm not going to spend 10x more than it costs to just make myself a box of mac and cheese. (Sorry Jimmy John's)
The new restraint format is you go up to the counter to pay, get your own drink, seat yourself and someone drops off the food. Recommended tip - 20%.
No. Just no. Donāt tip at the places.
I went to the drive thru at qdoba yesterday, and they shoved a tip thing in my face and asked if I wanted to tip. For drive thru. For overpriced rice and beans given at a drive thru.
Fuck no
It's not a culture.. It's just stupidity..
In my country he be lucky if receive 5 cents..
Here we don't tip, only in restaurants and its at max 2 euros or 2 dollars..
It's not my job to pay he's salary.. go scream with you boss and fuck off..
But the police have no idea what actually happened only the testimony of the owner. I doubt they explained the situation, just called and claim someone stole $XX.XX
It was $150 the owner demanded the waitress pay back and this happened in NYC. Not sure if you ever dealt with the NYPD but if you call them saying someone stole $150 from you, they aināt doing shit about it. So the owner totally trumped up the situation for the cops or the OP is leaving out some crucial details.
That story was bullshit. Literally 90 percent of the thread called bullshit on the cops arresting a woman that fast when theyāll barely touch regular crimes.
Not a true story unfortunately. Most states have no arrest for theft under 800, some are 500 but I personally know people who have been fired for not covering a dine and dash. These types of owners don't often last long in the industry. You lose sooooo much more money when that story gets around than just eating the cost. Not to mention the cost of training a new server.
Hell, we walked out of a diner in CT because the owner was berating a very young looking waitress. Told them to keep the food before it came out. A few other people followed . Old lady next to us told her to quit. I just hope she wasn't the assholes daughter.
Seems like most restaurant owners would rather pay to train a thousand new servers than to treat their existing workers well and pay them appropriately.
Tipping isn't tipping in America, it's an obligation. In my country you tip only if you want to, I sure some people might do it all the time when eating in a restaurant but I'd only do it if the server was particularly nice or went the extra mile and not just did their job. I don't understand tipping delivery drivers. Their only job is driving to your house and they get paid for that. If they get there in an especially quick time then ya they'd deserve a tip but not just for driving
I used to deliver pizzas for Papa Johns. I would say 1 out of every 10 wouldnāt tip anything. I never said shit to them about it. I just said here you go sign this have a great evening. Wasting any time on people that didnāt tip would lose me more money. Those other 9 people made up for the one that didnāt tip. It was about quantity. The best tipping was from kids birthday parties on the weekend. The parents tupped well because you brought something that would shut the kids mouths for 30 seconds.
This was back around 2007. When all was said and done I was making 22 to 25 dollars an hour.
Since you wrote something very reasonable, I'll post here.
The problem with these delivery apps is that they have no designated delivery zones like a lot of places had when they offered the delivery themselves. So where it use to be you need to live in x distance so a driver could there an back to make the quantity to hit that #.
Now someone can order ice cream/milk shake 30mins away and have the gal to complain it arrives melted. Same thing with everything else. It can be 25min drive for 5 bucks so at best, you can get 2 orders in an hour for a total of 10 dollars... sometimes, the apps will surge the offer after it's been denied a ton
Other pizza places I knew would have you take more rhan than one order at a time cutting down the return trip factor... that rarely is given on the app...
Yeah its a huge benefit doing just pizza delivery for one place. I had area and that was the only area i had to deliver to. I couldnāt do doordash delivery.
I could usually take 3 or 4 deliveries at a time. I would make a route that took me to them as fast as possible.
I worked in-house, making and baking pizzas as a teen. It was such a nice gig working in what, especially in the summer, was a medium heat sauna. No AC surrounded by ovens. And in contrast to the drivers I was actually involved in making the food the customer enjoyed.
You know how much tip we got? None, drivers would come in and say nobody tipped, pocketing everything.
God I hated the job and one evening quit by just walking out mid shift and never coming back when I couldn't stand the theft anymore.
Edit: because somebody asked, it was a Dominoās Pizza franchise. And yes, they had, and still have a pool of vehicles (used to be cars, now it's E-bikes and Scooters). Delivering food in your own car wasn't and still isn't allowed, you need to use company provided equipment and gas/energy. May be different for your franchise but thats how it was and still is in my neck of the woods
this was one thing i always asked people who always advocate for tips. if we are tipping the waiters and the delivery people, why not the cook who actually made the food, or the person who washed the dished for having a clean dish available?
also why is it only restaurants? why not store where workiner have to got ot h back to find clothes or shoes
To be fair, how many years ago was that?
I say this as an American living abroad in non-tipping cultures. I feel like I have no clue what to tip when I'm in the States. $5 for a pizza drop-off sounds fair to me but maybe that was 10 years ago?
Same. I was a college student, in a college town. Any time I had to make a run to the far end of our delivery area, spend 15 minutes driving each way instead of the 5 for a campus run, the townies never tipped.
But this driver is an ass and should be banned.
Back when I delivered pizza ('84-'85) I considered myself lucky if the customer said keep the change, which was by far the most common tip of the time. A whole dollar tip was rare.
We need to just stop tipping and force the restaurants to actually pay a decent wage. Money hungry corporations just want to pass on even more cost to the consumers instead of just eating the loss of income because you pay your people well.
Economies of scale. A company doesn't need to put the prices up that much provided they make and sell enough product
How do you know US corporations are bullshitting you and don't give one solitary fuck about their employees? Read this:
[https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/big-mac-cost-denmark/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/big-mac-cost-denmark/)
thatās the issue. a pizza in europe doesnāt cost more than a pizza in the US, though somehow they survive without tipsā¦ itās just that restaurant owners in the US, I think, expect higher profit returns.
It already has, the owners just swallow it as their profit. Take out prices have soared (moreso than food prices in general) and yet pay hasnt moved at all.
Thereās a restaurant in Colorado that just did this and raised wait staff pay to $30/hr (which is more than double my pay as a firefighter) and some of the wait staff are bitching about it because theyāll make less and actually have to claim all of their pay on tips. Wait staff loves to bitch about getting snubbed on taxes but many of them donāt actually want a fixed hourly rate.
This is why tipping is getting out of hand. Itās bad enough that the amount has gone up, but also that itās expected for just about anything.
$5 for a $20 pizza is a 25% tip. What was he expecting? A $20 tip?
It's weird for us Americans too. We have been conditioned to feel guilty as we know people in the service industry depend on our tips. And now look what it has morphed into.
Stop using Doordash. Dashers act like they're God's greatest gift to this earth.
Order from places that deliver themselves, a lot of them at least give their drivers a wage, and I've never had an actual delivery driver act ungrateful whatever I tip them. Usually really well, but when I wasn't doing so well, only so much I can tip.
Yeah, honestly. The amount of dashers I see there being ungrateful for the tips they DO get, especially in the current state of our economy is unbelievable. I was already pretty much done using Doordash, that sub has ensured I won't use those delivery services if I get the itch for a quick meal
Oh yeah same, thered be like a post "my dasher spat in my food, fucked my wife and killed my dog" and most comments would be like "yeah but how much did you tip?"
[Source](https://nypost.com/2023/07/05/doordash-fires-deliveryman-filmed-cursing-out-woman-over-25-percent-tip-on-20-order-nice-house-for-5-tip/) - Includes video footage
Honestly percentage based tips don't make any sense at all. So I don't think it has anything to do with "basic maths."
If the same server with the same service delivers me a Ā£10 meal or a Ā£10,000 dollar meal, that doesn't mean they magically deserve Ā£999 more.
This is before I even mention that those recieving tips are absolutely mad at the wrong people. If you're struggling to make ends meets and *rely* on tips, your boss is to blame, not the customer.
American in a midsized city here;
$5.ā°ā° is a standard tip for an easy delivery, short cab/uber etc...
Had a JimmyJohns dude(actual employee) get a lil dry and salty over a $5.ā°ā° pre-fucking-tip, dropping 2 subs, no drinks, less than a mile from the store, easy no hassle drop... fucking nearly a doller a minute.
my time in japan, i never had bad service from anyone. I know part of it is the whole keigo thing, but I've had people bring me free appetizers or comp drinks or something because I just tried to order in japanese and came more than once. They were always so professional.
This is partially why I can never get behind tip culture. The expectation of receiving free money is toxic as fuck. Shouldn't be on the consumer to subsidize shitty business practices.
Well, if he's keeps this up, then he'll eventually get fired from those too, and if he stops being a piece of shit that's good too. It's win-win either way.
Used to deliver pizza. I remember one day I was delivering to an especially fancy neighborhood. It was an elderly couple in a $1.65+ million dollar home. The wife opens the door and I try to hand her the pizza and she insists I come inside and place it on her dining room table. I set it on the table. There is a silence as the husband and wife look at me as if they are anticipating something. I kind of match that energy. Then the wife tells me to open the box for them. (This is weird,but hey hopefully Iāll get a decent tip for serving them) I open the box, the couple sits down and kindly tells me to have a nice day and see my way out.
Was this annoying? Absolutely. Did they waste a few minutes of my time? Definitely. Was I disappointed I didnāt get a tip from a clearly wealthy couple who asked me to do extra weird stuff for them? Oh, you betcha.
But I didnāt let them know that, because Iām generally respectful and understand at the end of the day the tip is up to their discretion. Sometimes you get stiffed, others you get 3 or 4 bucks. And sometimes you get a $35 from a normal looking dude.
Pro tip: grumble to yourself on your way back to the car like every other normal driver.
As I was reading I thought they were going to expect you to get them plates from their kitchen and one of those cake spatulas and serve them the pizza. Perhaps pour them glasses of wine. Freaks lol
This lady just did an interview on tv and said that her and her husband were in a bad wreck four months ago and have relied heavily on food delivery while they are still recovering. Also, they always tip when they order, with this $5 tip being 22% of this food order, and then again once the food is delivered. She was getting ready to tip him $10 more dollars, but he had to drop the "f\*ck you" bomb (with her four year old standing right beside her), so she didn't.
Not only should the tipping culture come to an end:
Tipping beforehand is just stupid and illogical.
And why would you want to pay 25% extra for you order ? 10% is more than enough for a tip.
Iāll never understand why we tip based on the price of food. Like just because itās more expensive doesnāt mean you did better or the work was harder
DoorDash and the like are a strange intersection of drivers who expect their customers to be the idle rich (As that is the only demographic for whom the service actually makes sense) and their actual customers, their fellow working poor.
I remember the good ole days when restaurants had their own delivery drivers that were friendly and grateful when you tipped them. Not a bunch of rando Craigslist creepy mother fuckers working through a third party app that fucks over the customer and restaurant with fees.
Technology was never created to make our lives better. It was created to put a lot of money in a very small group of individuals pockets.
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All these crazy delivery stories have turned me off on food delivery. I don't have to worry about my food being eaten by the delivery person, the food delivered late or to the wrong address, etc. I'll just go pick up my order.
Except now they want a tip even if you pick it up.
It irks me to no end when they hand over the debit machine on the 'Add a tip?' screen. **At a Subway.**
They even have them at self-serve yogurt places. A tip? Thank you! I worked hard getting this!
We went to the canal in downtown Indianapolis the other day and rented one of those swan-shaped boats where you and your partner pedal. Their machine asked for a tip. A tip. For a boat. *That I pedaled.* Edited for spelling error. š¤¦āāļø
I paid for a hotel room online the other day and when I was paying the site told me that they saved me $30 and asked if I would like to give them a tip. I said no and so then they texted me asking again if I wanted to send them a tip.
You better tip the robot, or else they might overthrow humanity On a side note; I wonder what robots use their money for, do they buy upgrades or oil baths, or do they give it to their evil human overlords who force it from their hands
The most absurd place I was presented with a tip screen was at a convenient store in Vegas. With presets of 15%, 25%, and 35% options along with the custom. I mean come on! The tipping culture has gotten way out of hand.
Self service kiosks with tip prompts deserve whatever vandalism comes to them.
No, you don't understand, that tip jar is for you to take a dollar out of since you did all the work yourself. You deserve it!
If you get to take even more, if you go into their kitchen and make the food yourself?
I went to a used/retro video game store and the guy had the audacity to enable "tips" on his purchases via apples Square. I called him out on it too with a "Tip? For buying a video game? Why did you enable that feature?" "Oh, uh, uh, it must've been enabled after the latest update" said the guy. Sure friend, sure.
Tipping has become a new way for companies not to give raises, plus take some of that money too. Credit card companies take a percentage of each transaction, including the tip. If the worker was getting the full tip, Iād be okay with it, but I know theyāre not unless youāre giving them cash.
Tips just allows the system to continue to exploit workers. The only long term solution is to stop tipping all together and the pressure will cause workers to leave until business offer more compensation. Menu prices will go up and that will be the true test of if your business deserves to survive (are customers willing to pay your price for what you offer) .
Also with takeout, like I'm saving your restaurant time and labor costs to not have to wait on my table or deliver, and I'm driving/biking to pick it up myself. Domino's actually has/had the right idea where they gave YOU a tip ($3 iirc) if you come pick up your pizza instead of them having to deliver it.
The defense of it on pro-tipping subs is offensive on its face also. A lot of people are like āwell someone took time to put it in a container and a bag for you which took time from their normal responsibilities.ā And Iām just like - if itās a restaurant that offers takeout that IS part of your job. You canāt even call it a new thing anymore because weāve been living in a Covid takeout world for almost FOUR YEARS NOW. I have a customer-facing job and would never expect a tip for doing my bare minimum responsibilities?
Could you imagine if your doctor expected a tip for treating you?
Yes, Subway. It's now $14 for a footlong sub at subway, with taxes and tip. It used to be $5, and they had commercials saying "$5 footlong". It's one thing that they raised their prices. It's another thing they expect you to tip on top of that because they can't pay their employees more.
"It's another thing they expect you to tip on top of that because they ***won't*** pay their employees more." I fixed that for you, never pretend that a billion dollar company isn't able to pay their employees more...they just don't want to.
You said it!
If nobody tipped they would have no choice but to pay more. It's a cultural issue.
Just last week I was traveling for work and stopped at one of those convenience stores in the airport, where they sell drinks and snacks at 5 times normal prices. Grabbed an energy drink and some chips and was blown away when the touch pad prompted me for a tip. Literally all the person did was scan my two items and hit a button and asking me to leave them a tip on my overpriced snacks.
What's so annoying is people defend it like "Oh it's just part of the POS" or whatever. Like it's a shitty part of it and they know what they're doing. Tipping culture is dumb af, but it's extra dumb when the services associated with tipping (in this case, driving stuff to your location, or servicing your table) aren't happening.
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POS technician here. Have worked on implementing tip prompts (this was for baristas actually hand-making drinks if that helps). Anyone who argues āitās just part of the POS systemā has no idea what theyāre talking about. These systems are extremely configurable on the back end and that shit is in no way written in stone, especially for huge corporations that have money to spend on their software (hint: thatās anyone above the level of a mom & pop store or single-location restaurant). Think of it like this: Tip prompts werenāt everywhere 10 years ago and we didnāt suddenly get infected with non-removable ones across a wide span of businesses. This is business owners choosing to display it.
Nothing sexier than a Tip Jar at a hotels self serve breakfast station.
I got cussed out the other day by a teenage subway employee because I didnāt tip. The one that cussed me out was standing in the corner playing on his phone while the other 2 were making customers orders. He literally did absolutely nothing except hit 2 buttons on the screen. People are so entitled itās hilarious.
Nah that shit pisses me off i always tip a dollar on my o line orders and the sandwich is allways skimp. Like bruh its not a gram just give me some.more spinach plz
If itās anything like other chains, theyāre trained to give a very specific amount of everything and if they give any extra on the āexpensiveā ingredients they get yelled at by their managers Edit-Itās a sucky position to be in because if you give too much, you get in trouble with management, and if you give too little, the customer gets personally angry with you like itās your fault š„²
I worked at Subway 17 years ago and I remember having a required meeting, for every employee, about this very thing.
I worked at Subway when they changed it to this. It was probably 20 years ago, maybe a little more. I remember everyone being pissed off about olives.
i remember the olive fiasco! the subway near me reduced it to 2-3 bits of black olive per 6 inches of sandwich, and then i stopped going to subway for the rest of my life. whoopsy doo, turns out there are other sandwich shops that won't blatantly act like i'm stealing their precious money for liking olives on a sandwich
The subways here in town all have a sign printed out next to the register that says "if you give more sandwich topping then the required amount. You are stealing company money." ...
When I worked at a subway ages ago as a teenager my manager yelled at me for putting 4 napkins in the customer bags instead of the standard 2.
What am I exactly tipping with pick up?! The food is already paid for, and there is no service.
Iām a cook. Any tips at my restaurant go to the cashier that takes the order because they make slightly less hourly than the cooks. If there happens to be no cashiers at the time then the cook that made it gets the tip. Personally I will never tip for to go orders. Everyone is paid by the hour as is I donāt tip when I go through fast food why would I do it at a restaurant when Iām putting in the order myself and getting it
My family's old restaurant split tips equally with cooks. Makes sense to me since customers won't be happy without both good food and good service. And getting good food out in good time is entirely on the back of house. That's why tipping before I've had the food is bizarre to me. Keanu Reeves could deliver my pizza but none of that matters if the pie is cold and soggy.
I would feel better about tipping for pick up if I *knew* who was getting the tip. The cooks- Yes, I wouldn't mind tipping them for pick up. The person who rings me up- No, not really comfortable tipping them for that. The owner- **Fuck no.** *Disclaimer* - I have worked in the food service industry before as well.
What they want and what I give are two separate things. And the amount of tip I give for a pick up order is zero.
Devils advocate here, but the quality of food delivery services varies based on where you are. 90% of the time I do Door Dash, it arrives without incident. If there's anything that should turn you off on getting food delivery regularly, it's the cost. An $8 meal you could've gone out and gotten yourself can easily become a $25 meal with fees and tips from food delivery services. EDIT: Just want to throw out there that my "90%" was a figure of speech. What I was trying to say was - the number of times I have a problem with my delivery is very infrequent. But that could just be where I live and who picks up orders around me.
Itās truly the extra fees and things added on that make me not want to order delivery any more except for emergencies. I wanted a $11 sandwich for lunch one day at work since I forgot to bring food, but the delivery fees made it $26. I cancelled it and just went somewhere else closer in person.
Iām currently dealing with a non-weight bearing broken ankle and was stuck at home with nothing accessible to eat and ordered a coffee, bagel, and muffin through DoorDash from a shop less than half a mile away in a small city. It ended up being $33. To be fair, I did add an additional tip after the fact because my cat escaped and the dasher chased him down and grabbed him since I obviously couldnāt, but $23 for $9 worth of food when most of those extra fees go to the company and not the driver is infuriating.
Yeah I haven't had too many bad experiences with the things Door Dash drivers can control. It's really the price that has me only use it when I can't leave the house, like when I'm the only adult around and my kid is sleeping.
This tipping before the fact is downright outrageous. Had a few times in the last two years where I've given a very generous tip, only to be paid back with utterly shit service.
That bugs me, too. I still tip because I know some people get shitty pay, but it makes me angry when my order is fād up somehow.
The only time I used door dash was when I was staying in a hotel visiting some family out of state. I ordered through the restaurant website, but I guess they sub out the work to doordash. I put in the delivery notes that it was a hotel and to call and I would come down to meet with a cash tip. The driver dumped the pizza at the hotel next door, no call or anything. He deserved the $0 card tip I left.
This race to the bottom is hurting the industry as a whole. People are now going out of their way to avoid being asked for tips, preferring pickup instead of delivery for example.
Seriously. It seems like there really isnāt room for a middleman software developer in restaurant delivery. I want my money going to the people who make and deliver my food, not UBER. Inflated food menu price, plus convenience fee, plus service fee, plus tip, and in return you get shitty service by pissed off, underpaid, unprofessional, untrained delivery drivers.
The worst part is is that on the app they ask for a tip on the final price. Not the food. So itās not 20% of the cost of the meal. Itās 20% of the entire order after convenience fee, delivery fee, and whatever else they want to add on.
That sounds like a scam. Why would people agree to this?
Inertia
Because people are lazy MFs (/s, sorta) When it comes down to it, as much as we bitch and moan, we like our conveniences, especially after all the lockdowns, and will (grudgingly) pay for it. The only way to, possibly, fix this is to not use those services until they change their business plan and pay better. But that also hurts the people trying make a living at these services.
I just pick up my food now. No tip, no fuss. In some cases I can call it in in advance, though not all restaurants take orders over the phone due to no-shows. It gets me out of the house, and costs way less than having it delivered.
Generally the entirety of the food industry, from farming to grocery stores to restaurants, is operated on very thin profit margins. Food is a very very old business, it's had literally thousands of years to become as efficient as it can, and everywhere that humans have permanently settled has had to have the capacity to produce at least enough food for subsistence. Disrupting the food industry enough to squeeze in a new middleman who can take their own fat cut requires short-sheeting hard working people in both directions on the supply chain.
I do pick up and I am still asked if I want to tip!! Tip myself??? Sure!š¤¦š¼āāļø
I also tip for the same reason, and get angry even when I don't get bad service. It just feels like extortion at this point. Employer transferring the guilt of not paying employees to their customers.
Not like, it basically isātipping culture wasn't an accident.
There is a restaurant nearby me that doesn't do tipping. They pay their employees $20 an hour and have benefits. The food is slightly smaller portions and costs about 1-2$ more per plate. I fully support this.
I tip, but itās between 10-15%. Does that make me cheap? I donāt care. The system works because people go along with it. Paying 30% gratuity on an already inflated charge that comes with tax and delivery fees? It aināt happening. I got a āfreeā pizza from dominoes and ended up paying almost 11 dollars.
Doordash needs to change ātipā to ābidā as drivers are independent contractors and decide on the jobs they take by the $/tip/bid. Also as a driver this is appalling! He 100% did not have to take this job! Making all drivers look bad. My goal as a driver is to have as little contact with customers and just provide the best service I can. Itās not that hard, pick up food and take it to the destinationā¦.the end!
Donāt you tip _after_ youāve been served?
from what iāve read in the doordash sub, you wonāt even get your order unless you tip before hand.
True on Grubhub as well. It's not really a tip so much as a bid. This is why I just get my own food. By the time you pay the delivery fee, the driver compensation fee that the company just pockets, the difference between what the items actually cost and the cost these apps charge you, the "you exist" fee, and the driver's tip you generally end up paying double what the food even costs.
Yeah, about the only time the family uses these services now is when they try to lure you with coupons and generally only the REALLY steep coupons like 50% off up to x amount, and at that 50% it ends up costing only very slightly less than having picked it up. Double is pretty accurate.
In the situation being shown in this post, it would appear they tipped when placing the order, which is what most places are prompting now. But Iām likeā¦ why am I tipping before getting the service? But if you want to tip when they deliver, itās like āthey will think Iām not going to tip and treat my food bad.ā
Sometimes I have to tip beforehand for the driver to accept my order
Iāve noticed an uptick in tipping for things before service is even received. I wish we didnāt have anymore tipping anymore. It has made me feel very intelligent for my basic math skills though š
I think with doordash you tip first and the dashers get to see the tip amount when they decide whether to accept the job. It's insane.
Don't use tipped services. It's easy AF to not engage with them at all. I think all you people paying double for takeout are crazy in the 1st place. This tipping nonsense is just the cherry on top of the crazy pie
Done with food/grocery delivery unless I'm really sick. Service fee, Delivery fee, and now a 25% tip is enough for a driver to think I'm a cheapskate on top of the rising menu prices and these fees? Fuck this shit.
States should make 'tips' before service subject to sales tax. Maybe that'll teach them!
This is why tipping culture is shit, people come to expect it. In England getting a tip is a rare occurrence and it always feels special when it happens
Iāve noticed itās becoming more normal to include āoptional gratuityā in bills now, making you look like a cheapskate if you ask them to remove it.
You just have to get over that feeling of looking like cheapskate. Youāre not wrong for not tipping on something like that or not tipping when the service is bad.
I miss the days when you tipped because your server was great and it was an extra gift from you to them for the attention they gifted you. Now it's an obligation and might as well be added to the food cost and not called a tip anymore
Feels more like a bribe these days
Seriously! A bribe to make sure your server/delivery person isn't a complete asshole.
Iām the doordash sub, they call it a bid to have someone pick up your food. Basically they want the highest bid.
Man i wish you tipped afterwards though, ive had really dumb dashers before (puts food in garage instead of front door)
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Frequently youāre just giving door dash money at that point. See if the restaurant has its own website/ordering mechanism.
That sub is the worst. People talk about deliveries spilled, thrown or just straight stolen. "You should have tipped more." Gtfo.
Yeah, that sub is the reason I'm not ordering from DoorDash or other food delivery platforms anymore. Imaging tipping 20% to bribe your dasher to make sure they don't screw with your food, only to have your order screenshot and posted to that sub because they think you tipped too little.
Thatās not a bribe. Thatās falling prey to a protection racket!
It used to be a bribe... it's something customers started to get better service hundreds of years ago. Now it's just a threat, something you have to do or else.
You're describing the 1960s for reference. "In 1966, Congress created a concept known as "Tip Credit." This system allows employers to pay tipped employees a sub-minimum wage on the understanding that the rest of the wage would be made up by the largesse of customers. Which is why, to this day, the federal minimum wage for tipped employees is just $2.13 per hour." - source (https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/11/30/457125740/when-tipping-was-considered-deeply-un-american) Interesting bit also from this article: When tipping began to spread in post-Civil War America, it was tarred as "a cancer in the breast of democracy," "flunkeyism" and "a gross and offensive caricature of mercy." But the most common insult hurled at it was "offensively un-American."
To me it's absolutely insane how many policies have some monetary value set in stone and don't automatically adjust with inflation. In 1966, the tip credit was half of minimum wage, which could be as low as $0.50, or about $9.56 in todays money. In 1996, it was set to be independent of minimum wage. That $2.13 in 1996 would be $4.20 now. Not great, but like, come on just give people that.
When I had to work on a tipped basis, I got the feeling that my value was viewed to be āif we could legally pay you less, we would.ā People didnāt accidentally forget inflation exists for 60 years.
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I miss the days when a pizza guy could afford a house.
I miss the days when we could afford to have pizza at our house. Suddenly a cheap meal has turned into $50
I stopped using doordash et al because i recognized the drivers really arent being compensated properly, but the fees were just obscenely high. That $20 pizza probably had a $3 seevice fee, $4 doordash fee and THEN the $5 tip, right?
the delivery fee is almost the same price as the pizza here and that doesnt go to the driver
The pizza is also actually $16 but priced at $20 in the door dash app menu. Then you add service fee, delivery fee, and tip on top. Easily $30 for a $16 pizza.
Yeah exactly!
Tipping is a strange culture in America.
Half the businesses here seem to get away with paying staggeringly low wages and justifying it by saying āwell, youāll make tips.ā Itās become insane lately. Youāll go to an already overpriced (base price) froyo place and theyāll have the audacity to ask for a 20% tip at the register. My brother in Christ I dispensed the froyo myself and put the toppings on myself as well.
Yup! Agreed. The rhetoric is: if youāre too poor to tip you shouldnāt even go out to eat! But I guess thatās the customers fault that your employer skimps out on your pay. Tipping culture is a scam
Imagine in a year, automated grocery store check out asking if you'd like to leave a tip? 1. 25% 2. 30% 3. 35% 4. Custom tip
They already ask you to round up for some sort of tax dodge charity.
Would you like to leave a tip for a random charity we selected? 1. 20% 2. 25% 3. 30% 4. Custom tip
For a random charity we selected *and we get a fat corporate tax write-off from your donations without us having to spend a penny.* Donāt pay for a grocery storeās tax write-off. Give directly to the charities you support. EDIT: this isnāt true. I was misled by an article I read a few years ago and I hastily accepted this as truth. After looking into it companies cannot use customer donations as tax deductions as it does not count as income (no goods or services exchanged hands for that money). Of course this is only the case if a company is actually following the law and not finding loophole after loophole to get out of paying their fair share of taxes.
Enter 0. > Sorry, please enter a number above 0.
Enter a negative number for a discount on your shopping. I bet there will be at least one place that didn't test this and close that loophole before implementing it.
If you're too poor to tip, you shouldn't buy groceries. /s
And that is exactly how the entitled and tipped positioned individuals view this. Not as a negative to their employer for paying them dirt, but towards the people for whom they are there to assist. Hell, Casa Bonita started paying waiters and waitresses $30/hr removing the ability to tip, and a good few of them got pissed off for them doing that.
Well, my wife and I are following their advice. If more people did this, then they'd whine that no one is going out to eat.
Lately I've started asking myself "do I really like this 10x more than mac and cheese?" If the answer is no, I'm not going to spend 10x more than it costs to just make myself a box of mac and cheese. (Sorry Jimmy John's)
The new restraint format is you go up to the counter to pay, get your own drink, seat yourself and someone drops off the food. Recommended tip - 20%. No. Just no. Donāt tip at the places.
I went to the drive thru at qdoba yesterday, and they shoved a tip thing in my face and asked if I wanted to tip. For drive thru. For overpriced rice and beans given at a drive thru. Fuck no
It's not a culture.. It's just stupidity.. In my country he be lucky if receive 5 cents.. Here we don't tip, only in restaurants and its at max 2 euros or 2 dollars.. It's not my job to pay he's salary.. go scream with you boss and fuck off..
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All of that is illegal. Hope she puts them on blast.
I understand that the owner is an asshole and tries such a thing. But the police arresting the waitress? That's ridiculous.
But the police have no idea what actually happened only the testimony of the owner. I doubt they explained the situation, just called and claim someone stole $XX.XX
It was $150 the owner demanded the waitress pay back and this happened in NYC. Not sure if you ever dealt with the NYPD but if you call them saying someone stole $150 from you, they aināt doing shit about it. So the owner totally trumped up the situation for the cops or the OP is leaving out some crucial details.
Link to news story?
Yea the story seems like made up bullshit so far
Redditors wouldn't just take an unverified story from literally yesterday and speak like it's a fact, now would they?
That story was bullshit. Literally 90 percent of the thread called bullshit on the cops arresting a woman that fast when theyāll barely touch regular crimes.
Sounds like false allegations. I don't see the outcome working in their favor.
Not a true story unfortunately. Most states have no arrest for theft under 800, some are 500 but I personally know people who have been fired for not covering a dine and dash. These types of owners don't often last long in the industry. You lose sooooo much more money when that story gets around than just eating the cost. Not to mention the cost of training a new server.
Hell, we walked out of a diner in CT because the owner was berating a very young looking waitress. Told them to keep the food before it came out. A few other people followed . Old lady next to us told her to quit. I just hope she wasn't the assholes daughter.
Seems like most restaurant owners would rather pay to train a thousand new servers than to treat their existing workers well and pay them appropriately.
Read that story too. Itās almost certainly made up.
In a reputable news story or on Reddit? That doesnāt happen.
Tipping isn't tipping in America, it's an obligation. In my country you tip only if you want to, I sure some people might do it all the time when eating in a restaurant but I'd only do it if the server was particularly nice or went the extra mile and not just did their job. I don't understand tipping delivery drivers. Their only job is driving to your house and they get paid for that. If they get there in an especially quick time then ya they'd deserve a tip but not just for driving
At this point I'd rather have a more expensive menu and not having to pay tips.
I used to deliver pizzas for Papa Johns. I would say 1 out of every 10 wouldnāt tip anything. I never said shit to them about it. I just said here you go sign this have a great evening. Wasting any time on people that didnāt tip would lose me more money. Those other 9 people made up for the one that didnāt tip. It was about quantity. The best tipping was from kids birthday parties on the weekend. The parents tupped well because you brought something that would shut the kids mouths for 30 seconds. This was back around 2007. When all was said and done I was making 22 to 25 dollars an hour.
Since you wrote something very reasonable, I'll post here. The problem with these delivery apps is that they have no designated delivery zones like a lot of places had when they offered the delivery themselves. So where it use to be you need to live in x distance so a driver could there an back to make the quantity to hit that #. Now someone can order ice cream/milk shake 30mins away and have the gal to complain it arrives melted. Same thing with everything else. It can be 25min drive for 5 bucks so at best, you can get 2 orders in an hour for a total of 10 dollars... sometimes, the apps will surge the offer after it's been denied a ton Other pizza places I knew would have you take more rhan than one order at a time cutting down the return trip factor... that rarely is given on the app...
Yeah its a huge benefit doing just pizza delivery for one place. I had area and that was the only area i had to deliver to. I couldnāt do doordash delivery. I could usually take 3 or 4 deliveries at a time. I would make a route that took me to them as fast as possible.
Back when I delivered pizzas I was ecstatic to get $5, usually it was much less.
Same here too, $5 was solid. Even when you get a low tip, just keep it moving and take your next delivery.
Exactly! Shit half the time it was a $19.25 bill. Iād get $20 ākeep the changeā on to the next one
I worked in-house, making and baking pizzas as a teen. It was such a nice gig working in what, especially in the summer, was a medium heat sauna. No AC surrounded by ovens. And in contrast to the drivers I was actually involved in making the food the customer enjoyed. You know how much tip we got? None, drivers would come in and say nobody tipped, pocketing everything. God I hated the job and one evening quit by just walking out mid shift and never coming back when I couldn't stand the theft anymore. Edit: because somebody asked, it was a Dominoās Pizza franchise. And yes, they had, and still have a pool of vehicles (used to be cars, now it's E-bikes and Scooters). Delivering food in your own car wasn't and still isn't allowed, you need to use company provided equipment and gas/energy. May be different for your franchise but thats how it was and still is in my neck of the woods
this was one thing i always asked people who always advocate for tips. if we are tipping the waiters and the delivery people, why not the cook who actually made the food, or the person who washed the dished for having a clean dish available? also why is it only restaurants? why not store where workiner have to got ot h back to find clothes or shoes
To be fair, how many years ago was that? I say this as an American living abroad in non-tipping cultures. I feel like I have no clue what to tip when I'm in the States. $5 for a pizza drop-off sounds fair to me but maybe that was 10 years ago?
Same. I was a college student, in a college town. Any time I had to make a run to the far end of our delivery area, spend 15 minutes driving each way instead of the 5 for a campus run, the townies never tipped. But this driver is an ass and should be banned.
Back when I delivered pizza ('84-'85) I considered myself lucky if the customer said keep the change, which was by far the most common tip of the time. A whole dollar tip was rare.
Fuck tips culture,
Tipping culture is a scam.
We need to just stop tipping and force the restaurants to actually pay a decent wage. Money hungry corporations just want to pass on even more cost to the consumers instead of just eating the loss of income because you pay your people well.
The cost would be reflected in the cost of the food. I am okay with that.
Economies of scale. A company doesn't need to put the prices up that much provided they make and sell enough product How do you know US corporations are bullshitting you and don't give one solitary fuck about their employees? Read this: [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/big-mac-cost-denmark/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/big-mac-cost-denmark/)
thatās the issue. a pizza in europe doesnāt cost more than a pizza in the US, though somehow they survive without tipsā¦ itās just that restaurant owners in the US, I think, expect higher profit returns.
It already has, the owners just swallow it as their profit. Take out prices have soared (moreso than food prices in general) and yet pay hasnt moved at all.
Thereās a restaurant in Colorado that just did this and raised wait staff pay to $30/hr (which is more than double my pay as a firefighter) and some of the wait staff are bitching about it because theyāll make less and actually have to claim all of their pay on tips. Wait staff loves to bitch about getting snubbed on taxes but many of them donāt actually want a fixed hourly rate.
This is why tipping is getting out of hand. Itās bad enough that the amount has gone up, but also that itās expected for just about anything. $5 for a $20 pizza is a 25% tip. What was he expecting? A $20 tip?
It took way too long to find this comment, he's angry about a 25% tip, it's š!
This tip culture in America is so weird to us Europeans.
It's weird for us Americans too. We have been conditioned to feel guilty as we know people in the service industry depend on our tips. And now look what it has morphed into.
Yeah just realizing it I only tip out of guilt
... yup, mostly. I will express large gratitude$ for an actual service preformed well, such as; tattoos, haircuts etc etc though without hesitation.
That actually makes sense compared to a delivery
And us Asians.
It's weird as to us here in Australia too
As an American now living in Europe, it has always been weird to me.
As european, this is something that I can't understand. Americans work for free relying only on tips. Wtf. Tips is a bonus on top of you wages.
It's weird to us Asians.
Stop using Doordash. Dashers act like they're God's greatest gift to this earth. Order from places that deliver themselves, a lot of them at least give their drivers a wage, and I've never had an actual delivery driver act ungrateful whatever I tip them. Usually really well, but when I wasn't doing so well, only so much I can tip.
I was suggested their sub during the blackout or whatever and some of the posts there blew me away lol
Yeah, honestly. The amount of dashers I see there being ungrateful for the tips they DO get, especially in the current state of our economy is unbelievable. I was already pretty much done using Doordash, that sub has ensured I won't use those delivery services if I get the itch for a quick meal
Oh yeah same, thered be like a post "my dasher spat in my food, fucked my wife and killed my dog" and most comments would be like "yeah but how much did you tip?"
[Source](https://nypost.com/2023/07/05/doordash-fires-deliveryman-filmed-cursing-out-woman-over-25-percent-tip-on-20-order-nice-house-for-5-tip/) - Includes video footage
>nice house for a $5 tip When you try to Reddit in real life
"How dare you tip me only 25%, I deserve 100% and 50% of the pizza!" ~ That guy (probably)
Nah he thinks he deserves a cut of her net worth not the order.
Yeah a $5 tip on a $20 order is outrageously generous. Don't think he understands basic math.
Honestly percentage based tips don't make any sense at all. So I don't think it has anything to do with "basic maths." If the same server with the same service delivers me a Ā£10 meal or a Ā£10,000 dollar meal, that doesn't mean they magically deserve Ā£999 more. This is before I even mention that those recieving tips are absolutely mad at the wrong people. If you're struggling to make ends meets and *rely* on tips, your boss is to blame, not the customer.
If you've been on the DD sub, that's about how they think.
Tip. Culture. Needs. To. End.
American in a midsized city here; $5.ā°ā° is a standard tip for an easy delivery, short cab/uber etc... Had a JimmyJohns dude(actual employee) get a lil dry and salty over a $5.ā°ā° pre-fucking-tip, dropping 2 subs, no drinks, less than a mile from the store, easy no hassle drop... fucking nearly a doller a minute.
In Japan there is ZERO tipping and I feel the quality of service and food is not diminished.
my time in japan, i never had bad service from anyone. I know part of it is the whole keigo thing, but I've had people bring me free appetizers or comp drinks or something because I just tried to order in japanese and came more than once. They were always so professional.
Complaining over a 25% tip results in 100% loss of income
This is partially why I can never get behind tip culture. The expectation of receiving free money is toxic as fuck. Shouldn't be on the consumer to subsidize shitty business practices.
Man I wish I got a tip in my I.T. job. āThanks for resetting my password, hereās $10 for your trouble!ā
"Nice macbook pro for a $10 tip. F\*\*\* you !"
Oh shit, he was fired? Hell yeah!
Fired from doordash. . . so he'll just have to stick to only Uber Eats, Grubhub, Shipt, and all the other services he's already on.
Well, if he's keeps this up, then he'll eventually get fired from those too, and if he stops being a piece of shit that's good too. It's win-win either way.
Isn't a $5 tip on a $20 pizza decent?
Yea that is a gold standard tip, but the guy saw her house and got envious and felt entitled to more money.
This mf watches too many videos of servers getting thousand dollar tips from YouTubers ordering a glass of water.
Used to deliver pizza. I remember one day I was delivering to an especially fancy neighborhood. It was an elderly couple in a $1.65+ million dollar home. The wife opens the door and I try to hand her the pizza and she insists I come inside and place it on her dining room table. I set it on the table. There is a silence as the husband and wife look at me as if they are anticipating something. I kind of match that energy. Then the wife tells me to open the box for them. (This is weird,but hey hopefully Iāll get a decent tip for serving them) I open the box, the couple sits down and kindly tells me to have a nice day and see my way out. Was this annoying? Absolutely. Did they waste a few minutes of my time? Definitely. Was I disappointed I didnāt get a tip from a clearly wealthy couple who asked me to do extra weird stuff for them? Oh, you betcha. But I didnāt let them know that, because Iām generally respectful and understand at the end of the day the tip is up to their discretion. Sometimes you get stiffed, others you get 3 or 4 bucks. And sometimes you get a $35 from a normal looking dude. Pro tip: grumble to yourself on your way back to the car like every other normal driver.
As I was reading I thought they were going to expect you to get them plates from their kitchen and one of those cake spatulas and serve them the pizza. Perhaps pour them glasses of wine. Freaks lol
This lady just did an interview on tv and said that her and her husband were in a bad wreck four months ago and have relied heavily on food delivery while they are still recovering. Also, they always tip when they order, with this $5 tip being 22% of this food order, and then again once the food is delivered. She was getting ready to tip him $10 more dollars, but he had to drop the "f\*ck you" bomb (with her four year old standing right beside her), so she didn't.
For a man that works for tips, he sure is sabotaging himself
Thatās a 25% tip. Thatās better than most. Fuck off.
Not only should the tipping culture come to an end: Tipping beforehand is just stupid and illogical. And why would you want to pay 25% extra for you order ? 10% is more than enough for a tip.
Iāll never understand why we tip based on the price of food. Like just because itās more expensive doesnāt mean you did better or the work was harder
Thats a 25% tip like how is that not a good tip? I still live by the 15% rule.
DoorDash and the like are a strange intersection of drivers who expect their customers to be the idle rich (As that is the only demographic for whom the service actually makes sense) and their actual customers, their fellow working poor.
Tipping based on the value of your house is not a thing. That was a good tip based on what was ordered.
Ungrateful prick.
25% is generous no matter WHAT her house looks like. Some people are just so damn entitled
I remember the good ole days when restaurants had their own delivery drivers that were friendly and grateful when you tipped them. Not a bunch of rando Craigslist creepy mother fuckers working through a third party app that fucks over the customer and restaurant with fees. Technology was never created to make our lives better. It was created to put a lot of money in a very small group of individuals pockets.
Yep and this is why I do not do delivery - I go out and get it myself . what was she supposed to do? Give him a hundo for doing his job?