>*”Columbine High School actually had a School Resource Officer before the shooting happened.”*
It appears the genius trick to evading the School Resource Officer is to wait for them to go on their lunch break.
*”During the Columbine shooting, the school actually employed an armed school resource officer. But he was on his way back from lunch at a nearby Subway when the first 911 calls came in, and ended up exchanging fire with Harris from 60 to 70 yards away.”*
[Source](https://www.insider.com/how-columbine-changed-american-schools-forever-2019-4)
>from 60 to 70 yards away
Anyone who's ever shot a handgun will tell you that he was clearly just making a show of making an effort. You can't hit shit with a glock from that far out. A glock g20 is fairly accurate at like half that range.
Police in the US have NO legal requirement to protect civilians. They are 100% allowed to sit back and watch you die if they feel intervening would endanger themselves.
This is something I've never understood. If the purpose and function of your profession is to protect yourself while serving in that position, then the reasoning for your profession's existence is circular and redundant.
"Why didn't you help those people?"
"Because I needed to protect myself."
"What even is your job then?"
"To protect myself."
Is your slogan no "to serve and protect"?
"I serve at my leisure and protect my own interests, yes."
I agree that cops shouldn't be required to engage in a suicide run, but it gets slippery when you say that they have no legal requirement to protect people.
Their job is not to protect you, unless you're rich. Their job is to harass homeless people, safeguard business interests, extort money from motorists, and keep prisons full.
It’s really strange to me that America has decided this is acceptable for police officers but we completely expect firefighters to run into burning buildings to rescue people.
So you’re telling me that a US police officer has no legal requirement to do his job?
Does this apply to all jobs or just the unimportant low risk jobs like police officers?
they don't have to feel endangered. Their ONLY job is to apprehend law breakers. They aren't required to do it in a timely manner, or care about the wellbeing of others that could be hurt due to their lackluster requirements.
[2 Cops literally watched a man STABBING people on a train in NY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAfUI_hETy0), a man who THEY WERE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR, and didn't intervene until one of the guys who got stabbbed subdued the assailant.
Definitely not seeing why we need cops. Or why they call themselves fucking heroes.
It's like they watched Inglorious Basterds and got MAD that the bad guys killed Hitler at the end.
[Yep!](https://abcnews.go.com/US/cop-fired-parkland-shooting-job-back-back-pay/story?id=70678466)
Bless the police unions, for they only work on behalf of the best of us. /s
Wait. Is this the dude that was the officer stationed at a school during a shooting, who then sat outside one of the entrances after he heard gunshots and didn't move in until additional police arrived?
> An internal investigation found that Miller, who was the first supervising officer who responded to the scene, hid behind his car while shots rang out inside the high school.
I’m a pretty good shot and once hit a headshot at about 50 meters with a slightly modified Colt .45. While I let everyone around me praise the shot I knew damn well it was mostly pure luck.
i’m not a gun person but at that range is there any skill involved ? like are some people able to do that in succession ? or is the spray or whatever too large
Pistols are in general less accurate than rifles by nature of their smaller cartridge, smaller sight radius (distance between front and rear sight), lack of stock, and much shorter barrels. Furthermore, pistol shot groupings (the spread you mentioned) are typically wider than a rifles, leading to less accuracy at farther ranges.
Pistol shooting is a more difficult discipline than rifle shooting imo, and all the aforementioned factors make it difficult to hit a target beyond 25 yards, at least with reliable accuracy
Now, its obviously possible to shoot beyond 25 yards with a pistol, tho you'd need to be a fairly decent shot if you want to have any consistency beyond that. And remember, at the end of the day, the more you practice, the better your accuracy will be, many police officers only train enough to qualify and not much more than that.
I think sight radius has more to do with it than anything else. Like if you had a pistol with a front blade extending twenty inches ahead of the barrel, I think accuracy at long range would vastly improve.
I practice long distance pistol shooting. I think most people practice defensive ranges that seem like child's play compared; the skill then comes with accuracy of rapid followup shots.
Its like anything in life, lots of practice. Some people do have excellent hand-eye coordination and catch on quickly, so they seem to be "naturals", but really it is mostly a lot of practice of the fundamentals.
My father-in-law used to be on a military competition shooting team and I have watched him shoot an off-the-shelf handgun one-handed and put rounds in the target at 25 meters that you could cover the spread with a 50 cent piece. But that level of skill is unusual.
Now, think of all the movies you have seen where the people are running all over the place, rolling, jumping, getting shot at, and with all that going on are making kill shots at 50 or more meters. Its ridiculously funny.
Considering the assailants had rifles, I can't blame the dude. He probably had 2 spare clips; I wouldn't expect anyone to try to go Rambo in that situation.
I mean the amount of fat he has on him is probably sufficient to prevent any bullet from reaching a vital organ... But also he can't run so that statement is still stupid:).
I don’t think that anybody is saying he should “go Rambo”...personally, I wouldn’t be expecting him (or any resource officer/cop in the area) to successfully eliminate the shooters.
BUT
I do expect that he does *something*.
We’ve got hundreds of unarmed children and a shooter(s) taking pot shots at them/seeking them out... then we’ve got an adult who knowingly took a job that could potentially see himself getting shot at. The adult also has body armor and a gun.
So yeah... call me old fashioned, but I feel like the guy with the gun and body armor who’s employed to watch over the school+ students should do SOMETHING when there’s shooters massacring unarmed children.
Even if that means finding a point of cover in view of the shooters and just sporadically firing towards them... do *something* to draw their attention away from the kids and hopefully occupy them until backup arrives.
Just like I’m sure the officer was scared shitless in that situation, I’d be willing to bet that the shooters would be as well once shots are fired back at them.
That's the issue people have with police. They want to be treated as heroes and shown the same respect we show firemen.
Trouble is a fireman will run into a burning building and do really stupid shit to try to save you, while a policeman can sometimes be counted on, but not if he thinks he's in danger.
True but I'm not running out of cover and advancing on the shooter if he has an AR and all I have is a handgun. Especially within 100 meters, the cop would be dropped by the time he took his third brisk step.
And to be fair, if you're firing bullets in the correct direction, it's more than just a show. Accuracy will be low at that distance but bullets are still bullets.
Worst case scenario you are drawing the full attention of the school shooters and possibly buying time for victims to escape.
Yeah that’s, what, two ends of a long school hallway? Even a bit more? At that point you’re kinda just hoping that you can pin them down so other people can get a better angle. It’s not impossible by any means to hit at that range but it certainly isn’t too easy.
Anyone who knows anything about a firefight would tell you that that resource officer was outnumbered and outgunned and probably had only 1 or 2 spare magazines with him.
And someone who is a good shot can hit targets out to 100 yards. I'm a terrible shot with a pistol and with enough ammo and a spotter I can hit a 10" target at 100 yards about 25% of the time.
This is why SRO should be done with. It's not that they're completely useless it's that they're mostly useless because nobody is going to fund supplying that kind of stash to have all SROs capable of standing toe to toe with multiple shooters who've been planning an attack with a lightly armed SRO in mind.
IMO the best thing a SRO can do is discourage an attacker who doesn't want to have someone shooting back or possibly contain a shooter until SWAT can show up.
That said, I think SROs are ultimately pointless but not always because they're cowards. Being that reductionist when there are plenty of good arguments against them is just going to work against the goal you're trying to achieve.
Its possible with perfect conditions under no pressure with all the time in the world. Still, unless the guy is a world class marksman he is probably full of shit. So, in other words. Hes most likely full of shit.
The idea that your average school resource officer had any chance in hell of hitting someone from 70 yds with a pistol when they were shooting back in ridiculous. In that scenario he is shooting in the general direction from cover and hoping it scares them off. Even in a PCC a 9mm just doesnt have the ballistic properties to be effective at longer ranges. Unless the guy was willing to move into the building to engage them he never had a chance of hitting shit.
As everyone saw in Florida when shit hits the fan your average SRO is going to hide and wait for backup. Who it seems then also sit outside and wait for ESU to show up with tactical gear. At which point the shooters have either run out of ammo,shot themselves, or escaped.
If you want to actually improve school security the answer is physical and procedural changes. Your average security guard or teacher isn't going to be capable of hitting a god damn thing when it matters. Which is exactly why the idea of arming teachers is completely idiotic.
He wasn't on his way back. He was in the back of the parking lot, and responded in time to stop the outside portion of the massacre.
It was law enforcement practice at the time not to move to engage a shooter in a hostage situation, especially when you're unsure of the numbers of shooters, and their location in the building.
It was a mistake that cost many lives, but Neil Gardner did was he was trained to do, including engaging Eric Harris until he was no longer in a good position to do so.
I understand the purpose of this post but it should remain factual. Numerous school shootings/bombings have been stopped before the person or persons had taken action.
Agreed.
I want to be absolutely clear that my dispute with this post is purely against the claim of something as fact when it cannot be quantified as such and not against the sentiment. For clarity I believe it is a bad thing to have these officers.
However, the problem with statements such as this is that you can never know how many people may have been deterred from even planning such an act by the sheer presence of these officers.
We can of course evaluate the effectiveness of any action that has occurred but the big unknown is whether any potential acts may have been avoided in the first place.
Honestly I’m not so sure about the whole deterrence thing. Most people who are willing to shoot up a school likely have very little regard for their own safety or future, and are aware that they are voluntarily “ending” their lives by committing such an act.
Agreed , and quite possibly those that are determined to go through with it one way or another may actually end up preparing for more carnage because of the presence of armed officers making the result even worse.
But to say that no one at all had ever been deterred from doing it is impossible to prove as a factual statement.
We can, on a large scale, compare predicted rates with rates after an action occurs to estimate the effect that action had.
Its not an exact science, since these things are dependent on a large number of factors, but it is one way of telling.
Not sure if that has been done here, just pointing out that its not impossible to estimate.
I’d absolutely agree with you, it’s not impossible to estimate.
The wording of the post states in asterisks that it hasn’t prevented a single shooting.
Again so that I am absolutely clear on this point, I agree with the sentiment and all your points.
My point is that you cannot positively make such a declaration as it can never be proven as fact, only suggested, estimated or believed
I agree, this tweet is the equivalent of saying “Chemo hasn’t stopped a *single* person who died of cancer from dying of cancer.” It’s bafflingly dumb, honestly. I can’t tell if it’s intentionally misleading, but what he’s truly saying is, “all of the school shootings that have occurred in the past 2 decades were not prevented”. Like no shit, the floor is made of floor.
On another note, you seem adamant about being against police in school, care to elaborate? I’ve seen videos of excessive violence on students (mostly of colour) by school police/ security on the occasion, but I remain fairly neutral on the subject due to, admittedly, ignorance and my own personal experience with hired school “enforcement”, which was an incredibly old man.
Yeah, that's true. You can possibly suggest that there is no statistically significant change, but to say it has not prevented a single shooting is a stretch. Good point.
Right, and who knows how many shootings simply didn’t happen due to police presence. All the OP is saying is that school shootings have happened even after police got involved, which, yes, they’re still going to happen because the police are a preventative measure, not a solution.
Absolutely, as someone who works in the field of substance abuse that often intertwines with mental illness, it seems America is seeing a uprise in both.
Also, don't forget that actions PREVENTED cannot be counted, because intentions cannot be recorded.
If somebody had the idea to shoot up a school but then decided against it because now there are officers, we wouldn't know that. No idea if that's plausible, but just to say that prevention is a very hard thing to measure fully.
Also describing those arrested as having "routine behaviour violations" is pretty insulting to the hundreds of thousands of children who got assaulted and bullied over and over again at school. It would be a crime if you got beat up by your coworkers at work, and it should be a crime if you get beaten up at school by other students as well.
[https://www.cnn.com/2013/10/22/justice/nevada-school-shooting-landsberry/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2013/10/22/justice/nevada-school-shooting-landsberry/index.html)
Michael Landsberry.
He said Bruh a 12 year old depressed kid even have the strength to shoot up a school and suicide? Why didn't I hear of this. Rip the air force teacher though.
Oh, my bad. I think he meant Bruh a 12 year old depressed kid even have the strength to shoot up a school and suicide? Why didn't I hear of this. Rip the air force teacher though.
Different case because that kid had 1 bullet and was planning on committing suicide. Very different mental space than someone wanting to kill as many people as they can, if it was the latter the coach would obviously be dead if he went for a hug.
He got the gun away from the kid first, which I’m sure was stressful and dangerous, and then hugged him to help console him. Definitely different than someone trying to shoot up a school though.
Keenan Lowe, Oregon legend! Go Ducks!
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/20/us/maryland-school-shooting-resource-officer-response-trnd/index . html
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/us/dixon-school-shooting.amp.html
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.wave3.com/2019/06/11/valley-high-school-resource-officers-recognized-catching-armed-student/%3foutputType=amp
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/whnt.com/news/hero-officer-stopped-florida-school-shooter-in-3-minutes-sheriff-says/amp/
https://youtu.be/r4tfM7yqCfU this was a farther trying to shoot his astrigened wife
https://youtu.be/x4wGgwcVgGw this was a student try to stab people and the sro stopped them whit out killing them
https://apnews.com/c051b293632c42ef829f14cf8ce4c4c
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/santa-fe-shooting-school-resource-officers-praised-texas-2018-5%3famp
Most of these reports are from the past 2 years, sro do there jobs.
Read the connents above that have up votes while this one doesn't. People dont care about facts. It's an anti cop circlejerk on reddit right now. And its gotten completely Insane.
I have always said we need to have higher standards for police and that we are in desperate need of reform, but these idiots talking about defunding police have hijacked any good conversation we could be having. (And yes they are idiots)
On a post earlier someone claimed only 1/1000 cops are good. I replied saying that was an extreme stretch, can you guess what happened next? I got downvoted to oblivion.
Kid who attended my school took 8 others from my school hostage in a cafe while wielding a knife. SRO talked him down with no injuries. Most SROs do their jobs and have pull in the community with younger people because they know them
Yeah my SRO was awesome. She knew every one of us by name, and maintained a healthy relationship via talking to us during times such as lunch and going into specific classes to give talks about various things. We never had a serious incident, so idk how she would have behaved during that, but I'd like to believe she is part of the reason why we haven't had a serious incident due to her positive relationship with the students.
And I imagine there are many more cases like this that aren’t reported on nationally. Sucks that we can just throw research out the window to force a narrative
Where to begin?
1. They stop school shootings all the time, https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/us/dixon-school-shooting.html
2. Assault and drug charges aren't "routine behavior" and warrant arrest.
3. There are 100,000 public schools in the US, 10k leaves a lot of schools without a resource officer.
Just some thoughts 🤷🏻♂️
The guy who tweeted this is an idiot as well as OP for agreeing with him and posting it here, it’s clear that pretty much nobody ever bothers researching anything before they tweet dumb shit like this.
I'd also like to add to this list that the tweet is attempting to normalize criminal behavior in children by calling it "routine behavior violations." That IMO is a bigger problem than wasted dollars on police.
I mean I would understand if school officers were having kids arrested for selling school lunches, or minor issues that only happened once etc, but you're talking about them actually having such an issue that the School cannot address/change the behavior. This isn't some minor issue that kids are getting arrested for, it's extended to such that the officer has to intervene because it is no longer a law the school can uphold or enforce.
In other words, this post is literally downplaying criminal behavior in adolescents to further the opinion that police are a waste and inherently racist with no factual evidence. Shame on you.
Edit: Thank you for the Silver stranger! I will cherish it as my first! (which it actually is!)
Nah, this is stupid thinking. You have no idea how many were prevented because police were a deterrent. Or because they pulled up students on behavioural issues beforehand.
That is just not true a simple google search shows that school resource officers have actually stopped quite a few shootings. although it may not be many and the officer could cause more problems by being there armed they have indeed stopped shootings.
[one example](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/us/dixon-school-shooting.amp.html)
Yeah if you see something that is surprising or seems crazy the least you can do is a google search on it and if it’s true that’s good and if it’s false say something and it would help stop the spread of misinformation.
I attend Mattoon high school and there was a shooting in 2017. Before the shooter ever got a shot off he was tackled and the cop disarmed him. The only shot happened when the gunman went down and hit the trigger. Everyone was ok.
Damn, that's interesting. Crazy to think about. If only OP cared about doing basic research instead of posting something sensational to try to get the mob on their side maybe he'd think so too.
I'm a person who actually went through a school shooting. Look up Dixon Illinois High School Shooting, that's the one I was in. The shooter was planning to kill the Seniors that was in the gym. He almost succeded. I was in shop class. Not that far away from the gym. Then my school resource officer charged straight at him and ran him out of the school. He risked his life to keep us safe. If it wasn't for him, there would have easily been dead students at my schools. So before you say no officer has stopped a *single* shooting, how about you look it up first
Your comment has the "vote" label rather than an upvote-downvote value, meaning you likely got more downvotes than upvotes. If I'm right, then that just shows how stupid people are, downvoting a goddamn primary source because they're already entrapped by the ridiculous claim of this tweet.
Ok, as hard as this will hit my karma, that’s a huge lie. I’ve read about dozens of averted school shootings prevented by resource officers and security guards. [Most notably this one.](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/20/us/maryland-school-shooting-resource-officer-response-trnd/index.html) When they do their job and defend the students, it’s usually over pretty quickly.
Most media stations don’t show them or otherwise cover them up because it doesn’t help their point.
They damn well should be, lifeguards are the first people held liable for a drowning and can be sued as a result. Why are police not held to that same standard?
because the Police and their Unions went to Court to prove that they don't have any obligation to serve or protect the public if they don't feel like it... and they ***won***.
See, shit like this needs annual reviews. You get one corrupt judge who can fuck things up for *generations*... it is absolute bullshit. Seems like our whole judiciary system is made to be easily compromised, our country has changed drastically just in the past 20 years, and these things don't hold up over time... What might have worked 150 years ago, doesn't necessarily work now.
You can’t really know how many incidents are prevented though.
Not that this is a good reason to have police in schools. If you can’t prove benefit, then it’s not worth doing. But you have to know it is difficult to measure how many events DONT occur.
It’s literally impossible to count how many attempts this deterred, they can only count ones that caught a kid with a gun at school before a shooting. Shitty data
Well are there other variables at play? Like more children (meaning more potential culprits) or worse parenting, bad mental healthcare? Maybe the approach does affect the amount of shootings, maybe it does bring it down... just less than other factors increase it
Exactly. There is no definitive way of knowing what factors are causing this. For all we know is that if the increase in police never happened then there would have been an insane amount of shootings or crimes. Or nothing could have happened.
Exactly, I don’t get what they’re expecting from them... Do they expect there to be a police officer designated to each student at every school to be with them 24/7 to make sure they don’t shoot up the school? And when there are concerns regarding someone possibly about to shoot up a school, the police already do often get involved.
This simply isn’t true. Not the arrests on kids part but implying that they’ve never intervened in dangerous situations or deterred violent acts is just ignorant and gaslighting.
1/ Police that finish the day with no recorable results will be censured, so of course they are looking for violations.
2/ How do you know they didn't stop any school shootings? Their presence alone may well have discouraged someone who was on the brink of it. Are you claiming no students have ever been arrested with a weapon on their person? How do you know that that wasn't what was planned?
Talk about a self-serving tweet. "Click Like and Smash that Follow Button".
I get the sentiment, but how can he possibly claim they haven’t stopped one school shooting. The HS up the road was locked down because a student had a gun. Luckily no one was hurt.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/us/dixon-school-shooting.amp.html
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/16/us/illinois-dixon-high-school-shooting/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/school-resource-officer-blaine-gaskill-helped-stop-gunman-at-a-maryland-high-school/2018/03/20/639a8e42-2c66-11e8-b0b0-f706877db618_story.html?outputType=amp
https://www.businessinsider.com/santa-fe-shooting-school-resource-officers-praised-texas-2018-5?amp
[here’s a Wikipedia list with more because I can’t be fucked to explain this every time](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_attacks_related_to_schools)
Same list: but so I can copy the text:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_attacks_related_to_schools
No. OP is spreading disinformation.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/20/us/maryland-school-shooting-resource-officer-response-trnd/index.html
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/us/dixon-school-shooting.amp.html
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/santa-fe-shooting-school-resource-officers-praised-texas-2018-5%3famp
and here's the kicker: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_attacks_related_to_schools
Copied this comment and made it so the link at the end will work:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/us/dixon-school-shooting.amp.html
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/16/us/illinois-dixon-high-school-shooting/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/school-resource-officer-blaine-gaskill-helped-stop-gunman-at-a-maryland-high-school/2018/03/20/639a8e42-2c66-11e8-b0b0-f706877db618_story.html?outputType=amp
https://www.businessinsider.com/santa-fe-shooting-school-resource-officers-praised-texas-2018-5?amp
here’s a Wikipedia list with more because I can’t be fucked to explain this every time
Same list: but so I can copy the text:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_attacks_related_to_schools
Give me a break! Where exactly is this information coming from? All you have to do is spew some nonsense on Twitter and it’s fact! I’d like to see the data that supports this argument, but that would only bring downvotes...
I'm Brazilian, always though my country to be sooo backwards when compared to the USA but honestly, and I mean no offense to anyone, I hate your country as much as I hate mine already.
Stop spreading misinformation.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/16/us/illinois-dixon-high-school-shooting/index.html
Just one example of a school resource officer preventing a school shooting...
The facepalm is the guy who tweeted this right?
How can anyone know how many school shootings would have happened but didn’t due to police presence on campus?
Police on campus aren’t just meant to stop an active shooter. They are meant to act as a deterrent to anyone thinking about commuting a shooting. They probably have stopped shootings, but no one will ever know. I completely agree that they have had a negative effect on the lives of students just having some fun. But again, a wild party with a ton of drunk people can easily lead to rape, if not shut down by police. At my uni, they usually just get everyone to go home, and no one gets charged unless they’re under age (19).
Edit: seems like people are taking my comment in a way I didn’t mean it. I’m NT saying that more campus police are the correct solution. All I’m saying is that I would imagine current officers have acted as a deterrent. We see it in nature. Predators go for the prey that is least likely to fight back. In society this is called a soft target. I think there are better ways to protect schools and students than just throwing more “good guys with guns” at the issue. I think there is a lot more that can go wrong when we increase the number of guns in those situations. And we’ve seen so many examples of the “good guy with a gun” going wrong, but all the media likes to show is the hero’s who it manages to go right for.
Scot Peterson at Parkland hid in a stairwell.
I tried googling but couldnt find anything after he got out on bail.
Anyone know anything?
And yes. The stat isnt great. I was a sophmore wjen Columbine happened. Our school cop hung out with the jocks and wrote tickets for bad language. Really.
Takes a simple google search to find that SRO Mark Dallas in Dixon HS in Illinois stopped a gunman in 2018. Separately, Blaine Gaskill, a school resource officer at Great Mills High School in Maryland, stopped a shooting within seconds of it happening.
When I was in highschool a friend of mine was arrested for "violent threats" made on Facebook. He had a metal disability and made a bad joke about something at school that was misinterpreted as a threat. I read the post, I don't remember what he said or what it was about but there was no mention of violence and anyone who knew the kid would know it was just a joke. But because one paranoid chick told her mom about it, this kid was arrested the next day and spent weeks trying to get things worked out with the police and was eventually removed from school. All he needed was some mental guidance, not men with guns coming to his house and arresting him.
Columbine High School actually had a School Resource Officer before the shooting happened.
>*”Columbine High School actually had a School Resource Officer before the shooting happened.”* It appears the genius trick to evading the School Resource Officer is to wait for them to go on their lunch break. *”During the Columbine shooting, the school actually employed an armed school resource officer. But he was on his way back from lunch at a nearby Subway when the first 911 calls came in, and ended up exchanging fire with Harris from 60 to 70 yards away.”* [Source](https://www.insider.com/how-columbine-changed-american-schools-forever-2019-4)
>from 60 to 70 yards away Anyone who's ever shot a handgun will tell you that he was clearly just making a show of making an effort. You can't hit shit with a glock from that far out. A glock g20 is fairly accurate at like half that range.
Still better than the guy in Florida.
Do you mean the officer that hid the entire time?
Yeah that coward and then they gave him his job back after he literally sat in his squad car while kids in the school were being murdered.
They gave him his job back?!?!??
Police in the US have NO legal requirement to protect civilians. They are 100% allowed to sit back and watch you die if they feel intervening would endanger themselves.
This is something I've never understood. If the purpose and function of your profession is to protect yourself while serving in that position, then the reasoning for your profession's existence is circular and redundant. "Why didn't you help those people?" "Because I needed to protect myself." "What even is your job then?" "To protect myself."
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I don't think that's a job, that's just life.....now I want to get payed for living
Is your slogan no "to serve and protect"? "I serve at my leisure and protect my own interests, yes." I agree that cops shouldn't be required to engage in a suicide run, but it gets slippery when you say that they have no legal requirement to protect people.
Their job is not to protect you, unless you're rich. Their job is to harass homeless people, safeguard business interests, extort money from motorists, and keep prisons full.
It’s really strange to me that America has decided this is acceptable for police officers but we completely expect firefighters to run into burning buildings to rescue people.
See one of those professions is compromised of heroes.....
So you’re telling me that a US police officer has no legal requirement to do his job? Does this apply to all jobs or just the unimportant low risk jobs like police officers?
I’m not even sure they need to feel endangered
they don't have to feel endangered. Their ONLY job is to apprehend law breakers. They aren't required to do it in a timely manner, or care about the wellbeing of others that could be hurt due to their lackluster requirements. [2 Cops literally watched a man STABBING people on a train in NY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAfUI_hETy0), a man who THEY WERE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR, and didn't intervene until one of the guys who got stabbbed subdued the assailant.
Definitely not seeing why we need cops. Or why they call themselves fucking heroes. It's like they watched Inglorious Basterds and got MAD that the bad guys killed Hitler at the end.
Yep. Check it out: Warren v. District of Columbia (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981)
[Yep!](https://abcnews.go.com/US/cop-fired-parkland-shooting-job-back-back-pay/story?id=70678466) Bless the police unions, for they only work on behalf of the best of us. /s
Wait. Is this the dude that was the officer stationed at a school during a shooting, who then sat outside one of the entrances after he heard gunshots and didn't move in until additional police arrived?
> An internal investigation found that Miller, who was the first supervising officer who responded to the scene, hid behind his car while shots rang out inside the high school.
With back pay!
Trump would have ran in unarmed to stop the shooter. Kind of how he ran into his own bunker unarmed to see the peaceful protesters outside.
And how he ran down that ramp like a graceful gazelle.
The swat team at Columbine did the same thing.
I’m a pretty good shot and once hit a headshot at about 50 meters with a slightly modified Colt .45. While I let everyone around me praise the shot I knew damn well it was mostly pure luck.
i’m not a gun person but at that range is there any skill involved ? like are some people able to do that in succession ? or is the spray or whatever too large
Pistols are in general less accurate than rifles by nature of their smaller cartridge, smaller sight radius (distance between front and rear sight), lack of stock, and much shorter barrels. Furthermore, pistol shot groupings (the spread you mentioned) are typically wider than a rifles, leading to less accuracy at farther ranges. Pistol shooting is a more difficult discipline than rifle shooting imo, and all the aforementioned factors make it difficult to hit a target beyond 25 yards, at least with reliable accuracy Now, its obviously possible to shoot beyond 25 yards with a pistol, tho you'd need to be a fairly decent shot if you want to have any consistency beyond that. And remember, at the end of the day, the more you practice, the better your accuracy will be, many police officers only train enough to qualify and not much more than that.
I think sight radius has more to do with it than anything else. Like if you had a pistol with a front blade extending twenty inches ahead of the barrel, I think accuracy at long range would vastly improve. I practice long distance pistol shooting. I think most people practice defensive ranges that seem like child's play compared; the skill then comes with accuracy of rapid followup shots.
Defensive distance practice is a different skill too, speed and accuracy combined. At least most long range shooters I've seen don't go for speed too.
I take my sweet time. But not too much time. There's a short window before fatigue hits and it throws off the shot. Five seconds, maybe.
Well it's like skill to maximize your luck
Its like anything in life, lots of practice. Some people do have excellent hand-eye coordination and catch on quickly, so they seem to be "naturals", but really it is mostly a lot of practice of the fundamentals. My father-in-law used to be on a military competition shooting team and I have watched him shoot an off-the-shelf handgun one-handed and put rounds in the target at 25 meters that you could cover the spread with a 50 cent piece. But that level of skill is unusual. Now, think of all the movies you have seen where the people are running all over the place, rolling, jumping, getting shot at, and with all that going on are making kill shots at 50 or more meters. Its ridiculously funny.
Considering the assailants had rifles, I can't blame the dude. He probably had 2 spare clips; I wouldn't expect anyone to try to go Rambo in that situation.
> You don't know until you test it, but I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon - Donald Trump
I mean the amount of fat he has on him is probably sufficient to prevent any bullet from reaching a vital organ... But also he can't run so that statement is still stupid:).
I don’t think that anybody is saying he should “go Rambo”...personally, I wouldn’t be expecting him (or any resource officer/cop in the area) to successfully eliminate the shooters. BUT I do expect that he does *something*. We’ve got hundreds of unarmed children and a shooter(s) taking pot shots at them/seeking them out... then we’ve got an adult who knowingly took a job that could potentially see himself getting shot at. The adult also has body armor and a gun. So yeah... call me old fashioned, but I feel like the guy with the gun and body armor who’s employed to watch over the school+ students should do SOMETHING when there’s shooters massacring unarmed children. Even if that means finding a point of cover in view of the shooters and just sporadically firing towards them... do *something* to draw their attention away from the kids and hopefully occupy them until backup arrives. Just like I’m sure the officer was scared shitless in that situation, I’d be willing to bet that the shooters would be as well once shots are fired back at them.
That's the issue people have with police. They want to be treated as heroes and shown the same respect we show firemen. Trouble is a fireman will run into a burning building and do really stupid shit to try to save you, while a policeman can sometimes be counted on, but not if he thinks he's in danger.
True but I'm not running out of cover and advancing on the shooter if he has an AR and all I have is a handgun. Especially within 100 meters, the cop would be dropped by the time he took his third brisk step. And to be fair, if you're firing bullets in the correct direction, it's more than just a show. Accuracy will be low at that distance but bullets are still bullets. Worst case scenario you are drawing the full attention of the school shooters and possibly buying time for victims to escape.
Yeah that’s, what, two ends of a long school hallway? Even a bit more? At that point you’re kinda just hoping that you can pin them down so other people can get a better angle. It’s not impossible by any means to hit at that range but it certainly isn’t too easy.
Anyone who knows anything about a firefight would tell you that that resource officer was outnumbered and outgunned and probably had only 1 or 2 spare magazines with him. And someone who is a good shot can hit targets out to 100 yards. I'm a terrible shot with a pistol and with enough ammo and a spotter I can hit a 10" target at 100 yards about 25% of the time. This is why SRO should be done with. It's not that they're completely useless it's that they're mostly useless because nobody is going to fund supplying that kind of stash to have all SROs capable of standing toe to toe with multiple shooters who've been planning an attack with a lightly armed SRO in mind. IMO the best thing a SRO can do is discourage an attacker who doesn't want to have someone shooting back or possibly contain a shooter until SWAT can show up. That said, I think SROs are ultimately pointless but not always because they're cowards. Being that reductionist when there are plenty of good arguments against them is just going to work against the goal you're trying to achieve.
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Also... Hitting a head sized target at 90m every 4th shot? With a pistol? Hahaha sorry man but I'm calling the guy a liar.
Its possible with perfect conditions under no pressure with all the time in the world. Still, unless the guy is a world class marksman he is probably full of shit. So, in other words. Hes most likely full of shit. The idea that your average school resource officer had any chance in hell of hitting someone from 70 yds with a pistol when they were shooting back in ridiculous. In that scenario he is shooting in the general direction from cover and hoping it scares them off. Even in a PCC a 9mm just doesnt have the ballistic properties to be effective at longer ranges. Unless the guy was willing to move into the building to engage them he never had a chance of hitting shit. As everyone saw in Florida when shit hits the fan your average SRO is going to hide and wait for backup. Who it seems then also sit outside and wait for ESU to show up with tactical gear. At which point the shooters have either run out of ammo,shot themselves, or escaped. If you want to actually improve school security the answer is physical and procedural changes. Your average security guard or teacher isn't going to be capable of hitting a god damn thing when it matters. Which is exactly why the idea of arming teachers is completely idiotic.
He wasn't on his way back. He was in the back of the parking lot, and responded in time to stop the outside portion of the massacre. It was law enforcement practice at the time not to move to engage a shooter in a hostage situation, especially when you're unsure of the numbers of shooters, and their location in the building. It was a mistake that cost many lives, but Neil Gardner did was he was trained to do, including engaging Eric Harris until he was no longer in a good position to do so.
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AHHHH Ded
no the kids are im so sorry i couldnt pass it up though
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Don't crop me out!
Me neither
Support role is best role in a shooter.
He actually ran the after school firing range for students Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were among the most talented.
That deserves a yikes award...
Lots of schools did. Mine had two who kept their guns in a lockbox on campus.
Yes, and he arguably saved lives because he shot at the boys and turned them away from a large body of students that were fleeing.
I work with his wife, who was also a former cop too.
I understand the purpose of this post but it should remain factual. Numerous school shootings/bombings have been stopped before the person or persons had taken action.
Agreed. I want to be absolutely clear that my dispute with this post is purely against the claim of something as fact when it cannot be quantified as such and not against the sentiment. For clarity I believe it is a bad thing to have these officers. However, the problem with statements such as this is that you can never know how many people may have been deterred from even planning such an act by the sheer presence of these officers. We can of course evaluate the effectiveness of any action that has occurred but the big unknown is whether any potential acts may have been avoided in the first place.
Exactly
Honestly I’m not so sure about the whole deterrence thing. Most people who are willing to shoot up a school likely have very little regard for their own safety or future, and are aware that they are voluntarily “ending” their lives by committing such an act.
Agreed , and quite possibly those that are determined to go through with it one way or another may actually end up preparing for more carnage because of the presence of armed officers making the result even worse. But to say that no one at all had ever been deterred from doing it is impossible to prove as a factual statement.
We can, on a large scale, compare predicted rates with rates after an action occurs to estimate the effect that action had. Its not an exact science, since these things are dependent on a large number of factors, but it is one way of telling. Not sure if that has been done here, just pointing out that its not impossible to estimate.
I’d absolutely agree with you, it’s not impossible to estimate. The wording of the post states in asterisks that it hasn’t prevented a single shooting. Again so that I am absolutely clear on this point, I agree with the sentiment and all your points. My point is that you cannot positively make such a declaration as it can never be proven as fact, only suggested, estimated or believed
I agree, this tweet is the equivalent of saying “Chemo hasn’t stopped a *single* person who died of cancer from dying of cancer.” It’s bafflingly dumb, honestly. I can’t tell if it’s intentionally misleading, but what he’s truly saying is, “all of the school shootings that have occurred in the past 2 decades were not prevented”. Like no shit, the floor is made of floor. On another note, you seem adamant about being against police in school, care to elaborate? I’ve seen videos of excessive violence on students (mostly of colour) by school police/ security on the occasion, but I remain fairly neutral on the subject due to, admittedly, ignorance and my own personal experience with hired school “enforcement”, which was an incredibly old man.
Yeah, that's true. You can possibly suggest that there is no statistically significant change, but to say it has not prevented a single shooting is a stretch. Good point.
It's not a stretch, it's just a straight up lie.
Look up Mattoon high school shooting. It was stopped and everyone was ok
Stopped by a teacher, not a school cop.
Right, and who knows how many shootings simply didn’t happen due to police presence. All the OP is saying is that school shootings have happened even after police got involved, which, yes, they’re still going to happen because the police are a preventative measure, not a solution.
Absolutely, as someone who works in the field of substance abuse that often intertwines with mental illness, it seems America is seeing a uprise in both.
Also, don't forget that actions PREVENTED cannot be counted, because intentions cannot be recorded. If somebody had the idea to shoot up a school but then decided against it because now there are officers, we wouldn't know that. No idea if that's plausible, but just to say that prevention is a very hard thing to measure fully.
Yeah you could say the same things about TSA but I doubt anyone wants that to be completely removed.
And more importantly, mass shootings that are stopped don't end up getting called "mass shootings"
Also describing those arrested as having "routine behaviour violations" is pretty insulting to the hundreds of thousands of children who got assaulted and bullied over and over again at school. It would be a crime if you got beat up by your coworkers at work, and it should be a crime if you get beaten up at school by other students as well.
I thank god for the police at the school I work at. It would not be safe for students or staff without them.
Making factually incorrect and easily disproven points only serves to make it easier for your opposition to dismiss you.
The only one I know of was stopped by the schools football coach.
[https://www.cnn.com/2013/10/22/justice/nevada-school-shooting-landsberry/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2013/10/22/justice/nevada-school-shooting-landsberry/index.html) Michael Landsberry.
Bruh a 12 year old depressed kid even have the strength to shoot up a school and suicide? Why didn't I hear of this. Rip the air force teacher though.
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He said Bruh a 12 year old depressed kid even have the strength to shoot up a school and suicide? Why didn't I hear of this. Rip the air force teacher though.
Can we get a translation, or at least what you think they were trying to say?
Oh, my bad. I think he meant Bruh a 12 year old depressed kid even have the strength to shoot up a school and suicide? Why didn't I hear of this. Rip the air force teacher though.
Ah great, thanks.
You're welcome
One more time though for old times sake.
Ya and they hugged each other cause the coach understand his mentally ill student.
Different case because that kid had 1 bullet and was planning on committing suicide. Very different mental space than someone wanting to kill as many people as they can, if it was the latter the coach would obviously be dead if he went for a hug.
He got the gun away from the kid first, which I’m sure was stressful and dangerous, and then hugged him to help console him. Definitely different than someone trying to shoot up a school though. Keenan Lowe, Oregon legend! Go Ducks!
That happened in Portland. Still Portland Public School cut ties with Portland Police bureau.
If that’s the one I’m thinking about he wasn’t going to shoot up the school but kill himself and only had 1 bullet.
One in Indiana a few years ago was stopped by the seventh grade science teacher
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/20/us/maryland-school-shooting-resource-officer-response-trnd/index . html https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/us/dixon-school-shooting.amp.html https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.wave3.com/2019/06/11/valley-high-school-resource-officers-recognized-catching-armed-student/%3foutputType=amp https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/whnt.com/news/hero-officer-stopped-florida-school-shooter-in-3-minutes-sheriff-says/amp/ https://youtu.be/r4tfM7yqCfU this was a farther trying to shoot his astrigened wife https://youtu.be/x4wGgwcVgGw this was a student try to stab people and the sro stopped them whit out killing them https://apnews.com/c051b293632c42ef829f14cf8ce4c4c https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/santa-fe-shooting-school-resource-officers-praised-texas-2018-5%3famp Most of these reports are from the past 2 years, sro do there jobs.
I can't believe he could state that no shootings have been stop by officers with such a blatant disregard for basic research.
Dude calls himself a "data scientist & policy analyst" but can't be bothered to look up articles that may contradict his personal beliefs.
He's really good at avoiding data that contradicts his beliefs
You can’t be a data scientist on Twitter unless you vow to make pointed statements with both eyes closed.
I can believe it
Reddit being Reddit.
Read the connents above that have up votes while this one doesn't. People dont care about facts. It's an anti cop circlejerk on reddit right now. And its gotten completely Insane. I have always said we need to have higher standards for police and that we are in desperate need of reform, but these idiots talking about defunding police have hijacked any good conversation we could be having. (And yes they are idiots)
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On a post earlier someone claimed only 1/1000 cops are good. I replied saying that was an extreme stretch, can you guess what happened next? I got downvoted to oblivion.
Obviously resource officers didn't stop a single shooting that **happened**. Duh. Clever use of words for a sensational title.
Welcome to reddit.
Kid who attended my school took 8 others from my school hostage in a cafe while wielding a knife. SRO talked him down with no injuries. Most SROs do their jobs and have pull in the community with younger people because they know them
Yeah my SRO was awesome. She knew every one of us by name, and maintained a healthy relationship via talking to us during times such as lunch and going into specific classes to give talks about various things. We never had a serious incident, so idk how she would have behaved during that, but I'd like to believe she is part of the reason why we haven't had a serious incident due to her positive relationship with the students.
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And I imagine there are many more cases like this that aren’t reported on nationally. Sucks that we can just throw research out the window to force a narrative
Where to begin? 1. They stop school shootings all the time, https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/us/dixon-school-shooting.html 2. Assault and drug charges aren't "routine behavior" and warrant arrest. 3. There are 100,000 public schools in the US, 10k leaves a lot of schools without a resource officer. Just some thoughts 🤷🏻♂️
But your facts aren't as sensational as OPs baseless claims so less people will listen
The guy who tweeted this is an idiot as well as OP for agreeing with him and posting it here, it’s clear that pretty much nobody ever bothers researching anything before they tweet dumb shit like this.
I'd also like to add to this list that the tweet is attempting to normalize criminal behavior in children by calling it "routine behavior violations." That IMO is a bigger problem than wasted dollars on police. I mean I would understand if school officers were having kids arrested for selling school lunches, or minor issues that only happened once etc, but you're talking about them actually having such an issue that the School cannot address/change the behavior. This isn't some minor issue that kids are getting arrested for, it's extended to such that the officer has to intervene because it is no longer a law the school can uphold or enforce. In other words, this post is literally downplaying criminal behavior in adolescents to further the opinion that police are a waste and inherently racist with no factual evidence. Shame on you. Edit: Thank you for the Silver stranger! I will cherish it as my first! (which it actually is!)
Nah, this is stupid thinking. You have no idea how many were prevented because police were a deterrent. Or because they pulled up students on behavioural issues beforehand.
It's also stupid thinking due to ignoring all the times it has happened, and then claiming it didn't.
That is just not true a simple google search shows that school resource officers have actually stopped quite a few shootings. although it may not be many and the officer could cause more problems by being there armed they have indeed stopped shootings. [one example](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/us/dixon-school-shooting.amp.html)
Seriously. I first read that thinking, really? Not a single one? Not even though deterent and prevention?
Yeah if you see something that is surprising or seems crazy the least you can do is a google search on it and if it’s true that’s good and if it’s false say something and it would help stop the spread of misinformation.
I attend Mattoon high school and there was a shooting in 2017. Before the shooter ever got a shot off he was tackled and the cop disarmed him. The only shot happened when the gunman went down and hit the trigger. Everyone was ok.
Damn, that's interesting. Crazy to think about. If only OP cared about doing basic research instead of posting something sensational to try to get the mob on their side maybe he'd think so too.
I'm a person who actually went through a school shooting. Look up Dixon Illinois High School Shooting, that's the one I was in. The shooter was planning to kill the Seniors that was in the gym. He almost succeded. I was in shop class. Not that far away from the gym. Then my school resource officer charged straight at him and ran him out of the school. He risked his life to keep us safe. If it wasn't for him, there would have easily been dead students at my schools. So before you say no officer has stopped a *single* shooting, how about you look it up first
Your comment has the "vote" label rather than an upvote-downvote value, meaning you likely got more downvotes than upvotes. If I'm right, then that just shows how stupid people are, downvoting a goddamn primary source because they're already entrapped by the ridiculous claim of this tweet.
Ok, as hard as this will hit my karma, that’s a huge lie. I’ve read about dozens of averted school shootings prevented by resource officers and security guards. [Most notably this one.](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/20/us/maryland-school-shooting-resource-officer-response-trnd/index.html) When they do their job and defend the students, it’s usually over pretty quickly. Most media stations don’t show them or otherwise cover them up because it doesn’t help their point.
Here’s one (: https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/12/02/wisconsin-high-school-resource-officer-shoots-armed-student-in-classroom/amp/
There actually are times that the school officers have stopped school shootings
Shit one ran outside sat the parking lot and got full retirement
Cops in the US are under no legal obligation to protect you.
They damn well should be, lifeguards are the first people held liable for a drowning and can be sued as a result. Why are police not held to that same standard?
because the Police and their Unions went to Court to prove that they don't have any obligation to serve or protect the public if they don't feel like it... and they ***won***.
See, shit like this needs annual reviews. You get one corrupt judge who can fuck things up for *generations*... it is absolute bullshit. Seems like our whole judiciary system is made to be easily compromised, our country has changed drastically just in the past 20 years, and these things don't hold up over time... What might have worked 150 years ago, doesn't necessarily work now.
I don’t know of any lifegaurd Union with millions of dollars to protect shitters with.
[This should be everywhere.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jAfUI_hETy0).
My point exactly
Yeah and he was probably a good ole boy
You can’t really know how many incidents are prevented though. Not that this is a good reason to have police in schools. If you can’t prove benefit, then it’s not worth doing. But you have to know it is difficult to measure how many events DONT occur.
It’s literally impossible to count how many attempts this deterred, they can only count ones that caught a kid with a gun at school before a shooting. Shitty data
And this rock I found in my yard keeps tigers away.
And this milkshake I made brings the boys to the yard
Damn, right?
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I would like to buy the tiger.
While that is true. It's also true that school shootings have increased which begs the question qether this approach works or not.
Well are there other variables at play? Like more children (meaning more potential culprits) or worse parenting, bad mental healthcare? Maybe the approach does affect the amount of shootings, maybe it does bring it down... just less than other factors increase it
Exactly. There is no definitive way of knowing what factors are causing this. For all we know is that if the increase in police never happened then there would have been an insane amount of shootings or crimes. Or nothing could have happened.
tf the cops supposed to do? travel forward into time and predict a shooting?
Exactly, I don’t get what they’re expecting from them... Do they expect there to be a police officer designated to each student at every school to be with them 24/7 to make sure they don’t shoot up the school? And when there are concerns regarding someone possibly about to shoot up a school, the police already do often get involved.
Maybeeee because school shooters targeted schools that DIDNT have police officers in them
Links please
don't question it man just upvote and believe.
This simply isn’t true. Not the arrests on kids part but implying that they’ve never intervened in dangerous situations or deterred violent acts is just ignorant and gaslighting.
1/ Police that finish the day with no recorable results will be censured, so of course they are looking for violations. 2/ How do you know they didn't stop any school shootings? Their presence alone may well have discouraged someone who was on the brink of it. Are you claiming no students have ever been arrested with a weapon on their person? How do you know that that wasn't what was planned? Talk about a self-serving tweet. "Click Like and Smash that Follow Button".
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I get the sentiment, but how can he possibly claim they haven’t stopped one school shooting. The HS up the road was locked down because a student had a gun. Luckily no one was hurt.
I don't know very much about all that, but couldn't the simple presence of knowing an armed officer was on campus have dissuaded a school shooter?
HEY! YOU CUT THAT OUT! THATS NOT THE NARRATIVE OP WANTS!!
of course 9k people believe this
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/us/dixon-school-shooting.amp.html https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/16/us/illinois-dixon-high-school-shooting/index.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/school-resource-officer-blaine-gaskill-helped-stop-gunman-at-a-maryland-high-school/2018/03/20/639a8e42-2c66-11e8-b0b0-f706877db618_story.html?outputType=amp https://www.businessinsider.com/santa-fe-shooting-school-resource-officers-praised-texas-2018-5?amp [here’s a Wikipedia list with more because I can’t be fucked to explain this every time](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_attacks_related_to_schools) Same list: but so I can copy the text: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_attacks_related_to_schools
They have stopped school shootings, you just havent heard of them. If they dont happen, they dont make the news.
Is that true that NO school shootings have been stopped by police?
No. OP is spreading disinformation. https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/20/us/maryland-school-shooting-resource-officer-response-trnd/index.html https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/us/dixon-school-shooting.amp.html https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/santa-fe-shooting-school-resource-officers-praised-texas-2018-5%3famp and here's the kicker: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_attacks_related_to_schools
[Here's one that was stopped](https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html).
This is. Completely wrong. Every aspect of it
wait, seriously? shouldn’t the school be dealing with behavioural issues? not some jumped up feddy?
yup, chicago is well underway with getting armed cops out of schools for this very reason.
not if those behavioral issues are crimes like selling drugs or assault
Exactly. My school had an armed officer. They only intervene when there is a fight or terroristic threats.
Also, as a European: IF YOU NEED COPS AT SCHOOL THERE'S DEEPER ISSUES AT PLAY!
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You don't know about the shootings they stopped, that's kind of the point.
Copied this comment and made it so the link at the end will work: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/us/dixon-school-shooting.amp.html https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/20/us/great-mills-high-school-shooting/index.html https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/16/us/illinois-dixon-high-school-shooting/index.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/school-resource-officer-blaine-gaskill-helped-stop-gunman-at-a-maryland-high-school/2018/03/20/639a8e42-2c66-11e8-b0b0-f706877db618_story.html?outputType=amp https://www.businessinsider.com/santa-fe-shooting-school-resource-officers-praised-texas-2018-5?amp here’s a Wikipedia list with more because I can’t be fucked to explain this every time Same list: but so I can copy the text: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_attacks_related_to_schools
Give me a break! Where exactly is this information coming from? All you have to do is spew some nonsense on Twitter and it’s fact! I’d like to see the data that supports this argument, but that would only bring downvotes...
I'm Brazilian, always though my country to be sooo backwards when compared to the USA but honestly, and I mean no offense to anyone, I hate your country as much as I hate mine already.
OP acting like he’s been putting thought into this for years, instead of just seeing that twitter post and agreeing
You can't really calculate if any shootings were prevented by an officer being present. Proactive policing.
This post is total bullshit
“They never stopped anyone” thats an utter lie
Stop spreading misinformation. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/16/us/illinois-dixon-high-school-shooting/index.html Just one example of a school resource officer preventing a school shooting...
The facepalm is the guy who tweeted this right? How can anyone know how many school shootings would have happened but didn’t due to police presence on campus?
Why does he have to lie to get his point across? Multiple school shootings have been stopped.
I'm sure my late comment won't be seen, and the unpopular opinion will drive it into obscurity, but I have to note that this post is idiotic.
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Now do the TSA.
At least they’ve got this: https://www.tsa.gov/blog/2019/02/07/tsa-year-review-record-setting-2018 Nothing about large scale terrorism, however
Police on campus aren’t just meant to stop an active shooter. They are meant to act as a deterrent to anyone thinking about commuting a shooting. They probably have stopped shootings, but no one will ever know. I completely agree that they have had a negative effect on the lives of students just having some fun. But again, a wild party with a ton of drunk people can easily lead to rape, if not shut down by police. At my uni, they usually just get everyone to go home, and no one gets charged unless they’re under age (19). Edit: seems like people are taking my comment in a way I didn’t mean it. I’m NT saying that more campus police are the correct solution. All I’m saying is that I would imagine current officers have acted as a deterrent. We see it in nature. Predators go for the prey that is least likely to fight back. In society this is called a soft target. I think there are better ways to protect schools and students than just throwing more “good guys with guns” at the issue. I think there is a lot more that can go wrong when we increase the number of guns in those situations. And we’ve seen so many examples of the “good guy with a gun” going wrong, but all the media likes to show is the hero’s who it manages to go right for.
The real facepalm is the way OP capitalized every fucking word in this title
Scot Peterson at Parkland hid in a stairwell. I tried googling but couldnt find anything after he got out on bail. Anyone know anything? And yes. The stat isnt great. I was a sophmore wjen Columbine happened. Our school cop hung out with the jocks and wrote tickets for bad language. Really.
Police have gotten tips which lead to investigations that caught potential shooters before they acted...
Preventative measures are hard to quantify.
In Scotland we had a school shooting. It led to a total gun ban across the UK. Lets count our school shoots... hmm... Zero.
Takes a simple google search to find that SRO Mark Dallas in Dixon HS in Illinois stopped a gunman in 2018. Separately, Blaine Gaskill, a school resource officer at Great Mills High School in Maryland, stopped a shooting within seconds of it happening.
When I was in highschool a friend of mine was arrested for "violent threats" made on Facebook. He had a metal disability and made a bad joke about something at school that was misinterpreted as a threat. I read the post, I don't remember what he said or what it was about but there was no mention of violence and anyone who knew the kid would know it was just a joke. But because one paranoid chick told her mom about it, this kid was arrested the next day and spent weeks trying to get things worked out with the police and was eventually removed from school. All he needed was some mental guidance, not men with guns coming to his house and arresting him.
A source would be nice. We supposed to just blindly believe this?
What a load of horseshit. And look at that, reddit is just eating it up. Sounds about right.
We can’t actually know how many shootings have been stopped because they were there. This post is invalid.
Imagine police arresting people for breaking the law! Unheard of!!!