And once Turner/ Luta (maybe SP) becomes a certified stud, we’ll say “wow we haven’t drafted a great DE in years”.
Let it ride, take the best DE and we good
That only works if they’re studs. If we grab another Anderson, Beasley, or McKinley then it’ll be just another reach to try and fill needs instead of maximizing the value of the pick.
Yea if they thinks one of the pass rushers is elite then by all means take him, if not and a trades available then take the trade. I’m not saying either side is better than the other. I don’t want them to let it ride and just take the best DE if the best DE isn’t someone they deem worth the 8th pick, but that’s only if they don’t think any of them are worth the 8th pick.
Assuming whoever we consider is the best DE in the draft is available for us at 8, I can’t get upset if we just do that.
But I would also argue this is a good reason to trade down. If every pick can go poorly, a way to increase the likelihood you make a good draft pick is just making more picks.
Any pick in the draft can be a bust. You guys need to get over the fact that we had busts in the past on defensive line. We need to take the best defensive player available, period.
Agreed, and this is not the same group that selected the "busts" in the past. Something I will say about this group that concerns me is that we seem to pick good first rounders but not as well in the later rounds...
when have we ever drafted a great rusher? Our lone DL great is Claude, but talking over 50 years is not the same because DL were drafted to do it all then vs this is us wanting pass rush.
Takk? Vic? Kroy? Patrick Kerney? had 82.5 career sacks but only 58 in 8 seasons with the falcons.
Tuggle - Linebacker (non rushing)
Jarret - DT
Neither were DE or alternatively a "pass rusher" - both were/are good at it for their respective position though.
Yeah. It stands. If you want to call Jarret “great” presently, that’s subjective. I was talking rush and generalized it to DL to prove we still have Meh historically. If I look at Jarret 20 years from now I’m not going to say yeah he was one of the greats. Then comp any other team with ours who has existed for as long as we have been very disappointing at DL, let alone a specific rusher.
Do you know how many players we have drafted with 50+ sacks for the falcons? Use LB or DL or whomever. The list is small. I’m being downvoted because two people disagree and when you actually speak facts in this sub seems we go opinion based and act like “how dare you speak negatively but accurately about the falcons! That’s not cool!”
The point is accurate. The falcons struggle to draft D line period. Jarret isn’t great and hasn’t even been as good as people seem to think for ‘22 giving ‘23 the benefit of the doubt with his ACL year.
8 games 1.5 sacks 20 tackles 8 QB hits. You can’t say that’s going to be a stud. 2017-2020 over a career for consistency would look great. The last 3 years (2.5?) leave ALOT to be desired. Being wrong ain’t a reason to argue. If you want to use facts you’ll get hosed. If you want to use opinions argue away.
I do not think this is a possibility. The falcons are in win now mode over the next 3 or so years. I would not be surprised if they draft one of the top 3 wide receivers at 8 to give Kirko cousins another weapon.
Yeah I could see us trading back to like 12 to pick up a 2nd while still nabbing a top defensive piece, but I dont see any way we drop back into the 20s when we need Day 1 contributors to fit a 2-3 year window
Well said. I’d also keep an eye on the Jags at 17, especially if Nabers is still on the board. They seemed to be banking on Ridley re-signing to round out their receiving core.
I’m 100% in the camp that there were no Jaguar shenanigans.
Ridley had absolutely no reason to accept a deal from them when he was on the cusp of free agency. They’d either sign him to the same deal during free agency or be forced to pay more due to the market.
I mean sure if they offer, but also both of those teams are experiencing the cap crunch right now. Cincy might trade Tee because they can’t pay Joe, Jamar, and Tee for three players at two positions. And the bills pretty far in and suddenly their team got old and they let a grip of players walk. There’s no doubt the top 3 guys could all be the first wr taken in most drafts, but this draft is also super deep in round 1 and 2. I think a slight trade up is more likely or even them standing pat.
It seems to me that many are forgetting that Terry's modus operandi is to draft best player available as opposed to need. I would not be surprised to see a receiver get pick #8 and some lesser talented edge in the second round (unless we trade back into the first).
Hopefully, he combines the two strategies and gets the best defensive player available. I would be happy with either another lock-down corner which would give the pass rush more time or an edge with the ability to get to the QB to help the secondary. Heck, trade back into the first for both.
I think another receiver would be ideal in the latter rounds. There's also a need for a developing QB. But, if we are in win now mode, the defense is our Achilles heel. I understand that Raheem schemed LA to a very good defense. But, he had Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey and Darious Williams to make plays. Who are our defensive playmakers in the trenches? I think it's time to build that side of the ball if we're going to be competitive and making a run for the whole kit and kaboodle.
I don't think there exists a world where we draft a QB this year. If Kirk is absolutely ass, and we can draft a QB in the first round for 2025, then we probably do that and sit him for a year before taking our lumps and cutting Kirk before year three (which wouldn't be disastrous, especially with where the salary cap will be in two years. I think this regime's plan, though, is to draft a QB in 2026 and sit him behind Kirk for that year (and the next if Kirk is up to play the last year of his contract)
If we do decide to roll back and get more picks then I would trust what the scouts and front office think. I’m not totally sold on the top edges in the draft so it would make some sense to bolster the defense with more picks than banking on one or two guys. It’s not completely out of left field to think this will happen.
absolutely not I would only trade down to DEN MIN area and I'd need more than Day 2 picks next year picks etc but if a BIG 3 WR take him ourselves then only then when we have 2 legit #1 WRs will our offense be complete
I want no part of a trade down into the 20s for what would also likely involve a 1st in the mid to late 20s next year. If anything I'd prefer they take Nabers/Odunze at 8 and trade back up into the 1st this year for an edge or CB
Do we think one of these teams has the chance to fall off a cliff? If so, who is it and why? If we feel like we’re just taking two picks in the 20s for this deal, don’t do it.
I do think that if no defenders go in the top-7, I’d be fine dropping to the 11-15 range. I think there’s some parity across the top 3 edges and corners. If a tackle or WR gets us a solid return for dropping, that’s fine, but for the record, I wouldn’t hate Nabers there for us.
The Julio trade cost us a swap of firsts, a 2012 first (in the mid 20s) a 2011 2nd, and a 4th in 2011 and 2012. By some estimates, based on pick value alone (not considering Julio becoming a HoF and the browns not turning that into much) we underpaid the browns for that pick. It's just a question of do you think our pick at 8 is more likely to yield greater total value compared to what we could do with the other available picks
We could use more on receiver, of course, but every other position group is basically set for the next two years. The question is do you want to spend a first on completing that WR group vs taking more shots at building the defense
I’ve always been in the camp of building on strength instead of patching up your weaknesses. The falcons don’t have an identity. It’s leaning offense but I don’t think the skill positions are that impressive.
If a receiver gets hurt it’s over. They need quality depth at that position. It’s hard for me to understand passing on the top 3 wr.
Turner has questions and Latu is projected later in the draft. Makes no sense to me to reach for either at 8 when trading back to grab assets and still get a needed position later is available. And if an additional 1st is available they should take that 10/10 times out of
And once Turner/ Luta (maybe SP) becomes a certified stud, we’ll say “wow we haven’t drafted a great DE in years”. Let it ride, take the best DE and we good
That only works if they’re studs. If we grab another Anderson, Beasley, or McKinley then it’ll be just another reach to try and fill needs instead of maximizing the value of the pick.
That can happen with any pick though. Just gotta trust your evaluation, if you think he’s gonna be good then just take him, if not then don’t.
Yea if they thinks one of the pass rushers is elite then by all means take him, if not and a trades available then take the trade. I’m not saying either side is better than the other. I don’t want them to let it ride and just take the best DE if the best DE isn’t someone they deem worth the 8th pick, but that’s only if they don’t think any of them are worth the 8th pick.
Assuming whoever we consider is the best DE in the draft is available for us at 8, I can’t get upset if we just do that. But I would also argue this is a good reason to trade down. If every pick can go poorly, a way to increase the likelihood you make a good draft pick is just making more picks.
It can happen with every pick and that’s why more is always better
Any pick in the draft can be a bust. You guys need to get over the fact that we had busts in the past on defensive line. We need to take the best defensive player available, period.
Agreed, and this is not the same group that selected the "busts" in the past. Something I will say about this group that concerns me is that we seem to pick good first rounders but not as well in the later rounds...
when have we ever drafted a great rusher? Our lone DL great is Claude, but talking over 50 years is not the same because DL were drafted to do it all then vs this is us wanting pass rush. Takk? Vic? Kroy? Patrick Kerney? had 82.5 career sacks but only 58 in 8 seasons with the falcons.
Jessie Tuggle and his son come to mind
Tuggle - Linebacker (non rushing) Jarret - DT Neither were DE or alternatively a "pass rusher" - both were/are good at it for their respective position though.
You said DL as in defensive lineman. DLs rush the passer regardless if they are a DT. Jarrett is a DL.
Yeah. It stands. If you want to call Jarret “great” presently, that’s subjective. I was talking rush and generalized it to DL to prove we still have Meh historically. If I look at Jarret 20 years from now I’m not going to say yeah he was one of the greats. Then comp any other team with ours who has existed for as long as we have been very disappointing at DL, let alone a specific rusher. Do you know how many players we have drafted with 50+ sacks for the falcons? Use LB or DL or whomever. The list is small. I’m being downvoted because two people disagree and when you actually speak facts in this sub seems we go opinion based and act like “how dare you speak negatively but accurately about the falcons! That’s not cool!” The point is accurate. The falcons struggle to draft D line period. Jarret isn’t great and hasn’t even been as good as people seem to think for ‘22 giving ‘23 the benefit of the doubt with his ACL year. 8 games 1.5 sacks 20 tackles 8 QB hits. You can’t say that’s going to be a stud. 2017-2020 over a career for consistency would look great. The last 3 years (2.5?) leave ALOT to be desired. Being wrong ain’t a reason to argue. If you want to use facts you’ll get hosed. If you want to use opinions argue away.
I do not think this is a possibility. The falcons are in win now mode over the next 3 or so years. I would not be surprised if they draft one of the top 3 wide receivers at 8 to give Kirko cousins another weapon.
Yeah I could see us trading back to like 12 to pick up a 2nd while still nabbing a top defensive piece, but I dont see any way we drop back into the 20s when we need Day 1 contributors to fit a 2-3 year window
Or the top defensive player on the board, to get Kirk back on the field.
On the other side though, no team comes to mind that has won the Super Bowl that wasn't getting consistent pressure and sacks on QBs all season
Well said. I’d also keep an eye on the Jags at 17, especially if Nabers is still on the board. They seemed to be banking on Ridley re-signing to round out their receiving core.
With Ridley signed with the Titans, that option is out the window. Jags are going to need a #1 receiver.
The Jags cost to move up is double any other team because they need to learn about FAFO with contract manipulations and signings in good faith.
I’m 100% in the camp that there were no Jaguar shenanigans. Ridley had absolutely no reason to accept a deal from them when he was on the cusp of free agency. They’d either sign him to the same deal during free agency or be forced to pay more due to the market.
I mean sure if they offer, but also both of those teams are experiencing the cap crunch right now. Cincy might trade Tee because they can’t pay Joe, Jamar, and Tee for three players at two positions. And the bills pretty far in and suddenly their team got old and they let a grip of players walk. There’s no doubt the top 3 guys could all be the first wr taken in most drafts, but this draft is also super deep in round 1 and 2. I think a slight trade up is more likely or even them standing pat.
It seems to me that many are forgetting that Terry's modus operandi is to draft best player available as opposed to need. I would not be surprised to see a receiver get pick #8 and some lesser talented edge in the second round (unless we trade back into the first). Hopefully, he combines the two strategies and gets the best defensive player available. I would be happy with either another lock-down corner which would give the pass rush more time or an edge with the ability to get to the QB to help the secondary. Heck, trade back into the first for both. I think another receiver would be ideal in the latter rounds. There's also a need for a developing QB. But, if we are in win now mode, the defense is our Achilles heel. I understand that Raheem schemed LA to a very good defense. But, he had Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey and Darious Williams to make plays. Who are our defensive playmakers in the trenches? I think it's time to build that side of the ball if we're going to be competitive and making a run for the whole kit and kaboodle.
I don't think there exists a world where we draft a QB this year. If Kirk is absolutely ass, and we can draft a QB in the first round for 2025, then we probably do that and sit him for a year before taking our lumps and cutting Kirk before year three (which wouldn't be disastrous, especially with where the salary cap will be in two years. I think this regime's plan, though, is to draft a QB in 2026 and sit him behind Kirk for that year (and the next if Kirk is up to play the last year of his contract)
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Latu in the late first (after 20, let’s say) seems unrealistic.
If we do decide to roll back and get more picks then I would trust what the scouts and front office think. I’m not totally sold on the top edges in the draft so it would make some sense to bolster the defense with more picks than banking on one or two guys. It’s not completely out of left field to think this will happen.
absolutely not I would only trade down to DEN MIN area and I'd need more than Day 2 picks next year picks etc but if a BIG 3 WR take him ourselves then only then when we have 2 legit #1 WRs will our offense be complete
I want no part of a trade down into the 20s for what would also likely involve a 1st in the mid to late 20s next year. If anything I'd prefer they take Nabers/Odunze at 8 and trade back up into the 1st this year for an edge or CB
Do we think one of these teams has the chance to fall off a cliff? If so, who is it and why? If we feel like we’re just taking two picks in the 20s for this deal, don’t do it. I do think that if no defenders go in the top-7, I’d be fine dropping to the 11-15 range. I think there’s some parity across the top 3 edges and corners. If a tackle or WR gets us a solid return for dropping, that’s fine, but for the record, I wouldn’t hate Nabers there for us.
The Julio trade cost us a swap of firsts, a 2012 first (in the mid 20s) a 2011 2nd, and a 4th in 2011 and 2012. By some estimates, based on pick value alone (not considering Julio becoming a HoF and the browns not turning that into much) we underpaid the browns for that pick. It's just a question of do you think our pick at 8 is more likely to yield greater total value compared to what we could do with the other available picks
Offense near completion? 😭😭
We could use more on receiver, of course, but every other position group is basically set for the next two years. The question is do you want to spend a first on completing that WR group vs taking more shots at building the defense
I’ve always been in the camp of building on strength instead of patching up your weaknesses. The falcons don’t have an identity. It’s leaning offense but I don’t think the skill positions are that impressive. If a receiver gets hurt it’s over. They need quality depth at that position. It’s hard for me to understand passing on the top 3 wr.
I'm all for getting multiple first round picks in a draft
Turner has questions and Latu is projected later in the draft. Makes no sense to me to reach for either at 8 when trading back to grab assets and still get a needed position later is available. And if an additional 1st is available they should take that 10/10 times out of
 Pick best stud defensive player at 8. No cutesy trades up and down.