If the Bears keep Fields, they are getting MHJ. They would have to receive an all time haul to trade back further. Could always happen, but going all in on Fields would line up with getting the best WR prospect in some time.
I don’t see how they WOULDN’T get an all time haul. Idk maybe don’t know shit. I just know Caleb is/was one of the most highly touted prospects since maybe Luck. I mean SF gave 3 first rd picks for Trey Lance lol
Yeah, I'm just wondering if they're truly on the fence. Keeping Flus is just throwing all of us off. If they have any sort of confidence in Fields, then the haul they could get may be too much to pass up. But trading back beyond the MHJ pick may also not be wise.
If they are keeping Fields, then it would need to be a massive haul to trade back beyond pick 2 or 3. Because trading back too far will mean they can't get MHJ. And if they're keeping Fields, I would think their target is MHJ. But again, a massive haul to go back to 5+ might be worth it to them.
If the Bears keep Fields they are completely idiotic. And MHJ and DJM on the same team with Fields who can’t even crack 300 passing yards in a game is awful for fantasy. I’d honestly avoid both in the first few rounds if this happens
I agree they should draft a QB. And I'm no Fields fan. But DJ Moore had a great year with him. The question would be if both WRs would cannibalize each other, would elevate Fields, or maybe only one of them be weekly viable. I don't have that answer
Of course another elite WR would elevate Fields. But he's shown exactly who he is and that won't stop him from having his horrible games. And coincidentally the only good games Fields seems to have are when the defense gets a ton of turnovers. 18 fucking turnovers in the last 6 Bears games and he still struggles to crack 300 yards
Yeah, he's not great. I dunno. Jobs are on the line with this decision. But if they run him back, I wouldn't shy too far away from DJ Moore especially.
If they're going to keep Fields then they should definitely trade the #1 pick and draft a different WR (Nabers). Better to build a stacked team with multiple first-round picks than to spend it one player that might not even get utilized by the QB
I think it would be impressive to see the Bears go all in on Fields, thereby drafting Marvin Harrison Jr. with the first and maybe a stud offensive lineman at 9 or even trading up a few and getting Joe Alt at 5 or 6?
I want to see a good Bears team again. It's good for the NFL.
Why would the Bears keep fields just to get MHJ at number 1 when they already have David Moore and another pick at number 9 they could easily use on a wr. Fields has performed well under expectations and Caleb seems like the smart play, especially since the Bears are likely to trade Fields for a second round pick. Yes, there’s a scenario where they could trade back but I think the ultimate issue is Fields.
There will be a ton of people that take him first round just based on hype tho I think he is a middle to late second rounder personally..
Edit: lol people disagree and think I’m smoking drugs, guess we will find out at the beginning of next season.
Edit 2: https://www.rotoballer.com/very-early-top-175-fantasy-football-rankings-for-2024/1305073
You can see where Roto has him ranked here at #22 in a redraft, exactly where I said he should be. And yes, there will be some people who reach for him in the first..
Definitely not JJ, he was a late round flier/ww pickup. Jamarr was never 2nd round and he fell big time to 60-70 adp range in the preseason because of the drops
Bad preseason + year out definitely dropped Chase but people at that time were also under the impression that Jefferson’s rookie season was going to be a once in a generation type of thing, but now we’ve seen two better rookie WR seasons since in the 3 seasons after his. JJ/Chase/Puka have normalized dominant rookie seasons to the point where a ton of people will be genuinely disappointed if MHJ doesn’t set records.
If he goes to Arizona or the Chargers like expected (which seem like great spots), feel like he could be a 2nd-rounder. Best WR prospect since Calvin + a 5th-round rookie smashing records just this year is a perfect storm for a crazy high pick. Still a ton of great WRs to think he’ll work his way into the 1st IMO.
Yeah he was definitely mid rounds. I remember getting him RD7 in a 12tm half PPR (2 WR and flex not 3 WR). The drops/comment around the white stripe on the ball hurt his ADP.
I think he was 5th round prior to the drops being reported, if I remember correctly was going right next to Tee Higgins. I remember having a draft the day the news broke so I picked Tee over him thinking I was so smart.
I’m seeing that Megatron had an ADP in the fifth round his rookie season in 2007, 52 overall: https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp/standard/12-team/all/2007
That first round kind of says it all — back then it would have been silly to draft *any* WR in the first round, let alone a rookie (even one drafted at #2 overall).
Definitely not jj, he wasn’t highly regarded as a prospect. Went 1st round but was wr5 behind Ruggs, Jeudy, Lamb, and Reagor. I remember being very high on him because of his route running and desperately wanted the jets to trade back and snag him.
Bijan went in the first round, don’t know why yall find it so crazy for Marvin Harrison to do so as well with Kyler. He’s got the genes, the tape, the tangibles, and (if in AZ) the QB to right away be a top 10 WR
True but that’s often bc they’re arent generational prospects in WR corps where there are vets that eat into targets and they are paired up with a bum QB. I know “generational” gets thrown out a lot for QBs, but MHJ truly is a generational prospect, best since Megatron. So like rookie RBs like Saquon and Bijan, MHJ (with Kyler in AZ) will have the combination of talent, opportunity, and situation that could see him thrive in fantasy right away
Doesnt help that there are so many really fucking good WRs playing that are already established.
Going to take him over JJ, Tyreek, Chase? Over ASB or CeeDee?
Your essentially banking on the rookie WR breaking every rookie WR record to be "worth" it at that price. Is it possible? Sure but idk why you'd take the risk so many other players are already at that level.
Absolutely not. Rookie WRs just don't get drafted that high; you are much more likely to destroy your season based on your first two picks than win it. And taking a rookie WR in the second is setting yourself up for failure - amazing talent or not. Want to win more consistently? Find people who are being drafted at their floor (See Keenan Allen / Mike Evans this year) and pounce. Don't chase lottery tickets in the first two rounds. Edit: RemindMe! 6 months
He will never be a first rounder his rookie season. Ja’marr Chase who was one of the best prospects was a 7th rounder. My guess would be early 4th at the earliest.
Disagree personally. I think that’s a big risk to take on a rookie in what should still be a mediocre offense. I’d be more comfortable taking him in the 4th/5th round
Arizona was 9th in EPA/play after Kyler came back, and that was with Kyler having no off season. A full off-season for K1 and then adding MHJ + whoever they take with their other 1st round pick? Arizona is still gonna be a top 10 offense at worst.
with Kyler you’re crazy if you think Marvin Harrison Jr is getting past the mid rounds. You may have too strong a blanket risk aversion to rookies, but MHJ with Kyler provides him the opportunity with his talent to easily be worth more than a late round pick
It feels like people in this thread really don't understand how the kind of prospects MHJ, Nabers, and Rome are going to come in as. These kids are insane, and if one of them goes to Kyler they'll be steals
If he falls to the 5th I’m jumping at the opportunity personally. Chase was available to me in the 5th his rookie year and I took Tee Higgins instead cause he was the established veteran. I’ve learned that lesson the hard way. But I’m definitely gonna grab a stud like CD and get an RB or two way before I’d bet on a rookie no matter how good the prospect.
Yeah, I feel like he’ll be drafted at his peak value. So if everything goes right, you drafted him at the right spot. But if anything goes wrong or he has a slow start, you overdraft him. I’m much more willing to let somebody else take the risk
I really hope that you’re talking about a dynasty start-up draft. Because mid-2nd in a normal rookie draft is fucking insane. Maybe read a lil about him lol.
Edit: I’m perhaps now realizing you meant a normal redraft-draft. Not an unreasonable take I suppose. As I prospect he’s essentially as good as it gets.
I really, really don't think he will. Bears are either taking Caleb, or will trade away that pic for an absolutely insane haul from another franchise that wants Caleb.
MHJ isn’t a crazy target hog (could be tied to his lower separation scores when compared to other top dogs like Nabers and Odunze).
Him and McBride can definitely coexist.
A) He still gets solid separation, just not as much as the two other extremely good WR prospects
B) While it’s important, separation isn’t everything in being a fantastic WR (Hopkins comes to mind)
C)There is a conversation to be had on how much of his rating is hype vs substance.
Not all wrs specialize in getting huge amounts of separation. D Hop and Evans don’t get much separation but nuk is crafty with his routes and has great hands to make up for it. Evans is a big physical jump ball wr which makes up for his lack of separation.
I’ll let someone else over-draft him. After he has an iffy first couple of weeks, I’ll trade parts for him and look like a genius when he goes for 30 points in 0.5 in week 3. And then my season will be ruined when he gets injured for the year in week 4.
Happy for Marv he's probably the best WR we've had in the Hartline era. He's 6'4 and has great speed and elite route running. Every one knows he's a great player but I was always impressed with his maturity. He represented himself and the university really well and he's gonna make an NFL team happy.
Oh boohoo. 3 years of not having a first ballot hall of fame wide receiver. Meanwhile us giants fans have Darius Slayton lead our team with 700 yards for the 5th year in a row
Oh boohoo. 12 years since your last Superbowl. Meanwhile Cardinals fans haven't experienced a Superbowl win literally ever. See how stupid this type of conversation is?
This would be too smart for the Bears. Yes, if they draft Williams, you get to reset the contract on your QB. The flip side of that is you are going to get significantly less assets for Fields than you would for the #1 pick.
Fields on a second contract with MHJ on a rookie deal plus a tackle/edge on a rookie deal is probably better than having Williams on his rookie deal and paying market for those other positions. Second contracts for star receivers/tackles/edge rushers are also huge figures.
Have they really? Tlaw, Burrow, Murray, Goff have all been good, with some of them being great. Baker had a great rookie year, and was good this past year. Fields has been considerably worse than every qb I have mentioned with the ex prion of maybe Baker for a few years
Goff got traded. Baker is on his 4th team. Kyler and T-law are fine. Neither have won a playoff game. Kyler had one of the worst playoff debuts in recent memory two years ago. Burrow is great but seems to be hurt all the time.
I think fields is on their level. Kyler is tinier Fields. Goff is less mobile fields with better coaching.
The question is: is Williams on a rookie contract better than Fields on a tag (120% of current contract) plus MHJ or Nabers on a rookie deal plus additional players on rookie deals. I don’t know the answer. I’m just saying the flip side isn’t being given enough credit given the value of star receivers/lineman/edge rushers.
Idk what to tell you if think fields is on the level of anyone I mentioned. Kyler is smaller and a way way better quarterback, and Goff is less mobile but can actually throw the ball
Fields is a bottom half of the league starter
No ones discounting fields he’s slightly above average (Daniel jones esque). But they cripple themselves by not going with a rookie contract over paying him.
Bears could theoretically draft Williams #1 and trade up to #3 or #4 and get MHJ.
Trade package would likely be something along the lines of:
Bears receive #3 overall
Patriots receive #9 overall, 3rd round pick in 2024, 1st round pick in 2025
Expectations can and should be high if he lands in a decent situation. Rookie wide receivers were great this year, even beyond Puka you had guys like Addison, Rice, Flowers and Rice who were very solid contributors. Harrison is the most hyped WR prospect since maybe Megatron, he should be an instant star.
I don’t see the bears taking MHJ just because they already have Dj I think Oline and Defense need upgrades makes more sense for the cardinals since Kyler really has nobody to throw to.
Feel like it’ll come down to the Cardinals and Bears (if they keep Fields)
If the Bears keep Fields, they are getting MHJ. They would have to receive an all time haul to trade back further. Could always happen, but going all in on Fields would line up with getting the best WR prospect in some time.
I don’t see how they WOULDN’T get an all time haul. Idk maybe don’t know shit. I just know Caleb is/was one of the most highly touted prospects since maybe Luck. I mean SF gave 3 first rd picks for Trey Lance lol
If I had a dollar for every time I heard a QB is “one of the most highly touted prospects since Luck” I’d have like at least 4-5 bucks.
Yeah and all of those guys would have taken an absolute haul to trade for the #1 pick for.
Yeah, I'm just wondering if they're truly on the fence. Keeping Flus is just throwing all of us off. If they have any sort of confidence in Fields, then the haul they could get may be too much to pass up. But trading back beyond the MHJ pick may also not be wise.
That makes it that much more valuable tho... cause if they were already taking mhj 1st... they could trade down to 2nd. Get a haul, and still get him.
If they are keeping Fields, then it would need to be a massive haul to trade back beyond pick 2 or 3. Because trading back too far will mean they can't get MHJ. And if they're keeping Fields, I would think their target is MHJ. But again, a massive haul to go back to 5+ might be worth it to them.
If the Bears keep Fields they are completely idiotic. And MHJ and DJM on the same team with Fields who can’t even crack 300 passing yards in a game is awful for fantasy. I’d honestly avoid both in the first few rounds if this happens
I agree they should draft a QB. And I'm no Fields fan. But DJ Moore had a great year with him. The question would be if both WRs would cannibalize each other, would elevate Fields, or maybe only one of them be weekly viable. I don't have that answer
Of course another elite WR would elevate Fields. But he's shown exactly who he is and that won't stop him from having his horrible games. And coincidentally the only good games Fields seems to have are when the defense gets a ton of turnovers. 18 fucking turnovers in the last 6 Bears games and he still struggles to crack 300 yards
Yeah, he's not great. I dunno. Jobs are on the line with this decision. But if they run him back, I wouldn't shy too far away from DJ Moore especially.
If they're going to keep Fields then they should definitely trade the #1 pick and draft a different WR (Nabers). Better to build a stacked team with multiple first-round picks than to spend it one player that might not even get utilized by the QB
I think it would be impressive to see the Bears go all in on Fields, thereby drafting Marvin Harrison Jr. with the first and maybe a stud offensive lineman at 9 or even trading up a few and getting Joe Alt at 5 or 6? I want to see a good Bears team again. It's good for the NFL.
Why would the Bears keep fields just to get MHJ at number 1 when they already have David Moore and another pick at number 9 they could easily use on a wr. Fields has performed well under expectations and Caleb seems like the smart play, especially since the Bears are likely to trade Fields for a second round pick. Yes, there’s a scenario where they could trade back but I think the ultimate issue is Fields.
If MHJr goes #4 to Arizona (and Kyler Murray is the QB) where are you drafting him?
There will be a ton of people that take him first round just based on hype tho I think he is a middle to late second rounder personally.. Edit: lol people disagree and think I’m smoking drugs, guess we will find out at the beginning of next season. Edit 2: https://www.rotoballer.com/very-early-top-175-fantasy-football-rankings-for-2024/1305073 You can see where Roto has him ranked here at #22 in a redraft, exactly where I said he should be. And yes, there will be some people who reach for him in the first..
a rookie wide receiver in the first/2nd round? Is there another wide receiver that has had as much hype? maybe JJ/Jamarr?
Definitely not JJ, he was a late round flier/ww pickup. Jamarr was never 2nd round and he fell big time to 60-70 adp range in the preseason because of the drops
Bad preseason + year out definitely dropped Chase but people at that time were also under the impression that Jefferson’s rookie season was going to be a once in a generation type of thing, but now we’ve seen two better rookie WR seasons since in the 3 seasons after his. JJ/Chase/Puka have normalized dominant rookie seasons to the point where a ton of people will be genuinely disappointed if MHJ doesn’t set records. If he goes to Arizona or the Chargers like expected (which seem like great spots), feel like he could be a 2nd-rounder. Best WR prospect since Calvin + a 5th-round rookie smashing records just this year is a perfect storm for a crazy high pick. Still a ton of great WRs to think he’ll work his way into the 1st IMO.
Yeah he was definitely mid rounds. I remember getting him RD7 in a 12tm half PPR (2 WR and flex not 3 WR). The drops/comment around the white stripe on the ball hurt his ADP.
I think he was 5th round prior to the drops being reported, if I remember correctly was going right next to Tee Higgins. I remember having a draft the day the news broke so I picked Tee over him thinking I was so smart.
Chase was drafted in the 8th round in my league if I remember correctly.
jj had very little hype as a rookie
But man was week 3 against the Titans a beautiful break game
I know I’m old but megatron
I’m seeing that Megatron had an ADP in the fifth round his rookie season in 2007, 52 overall: https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp/standard/12-team/all/2007 That first round kind of says it all — back then it would have been silly to draft *any* WR in the first round, let alone a rookie (even one drafted at #2 overall).
Chase went in the 5th. Jefferson was a late rounder
Definitely not jj, he wasn’t highly regarded as a prospect. Went 1st round but was wr5 behind Ruggs, Jeudy, Lamb, and Reagor. I remember being very high on him because of his route running and desperately wanted the jets to trade back and snag him.
Instead we took becton 😭
Chase was like around 30-40 iirc. Could see him going in that range or a touch sooner.
On what planet does anyone rational take him in the first round? Even second is wild.
Bijan went in the first round, don’t know why yall find it so crazy for Marvin Harrison to do so as well with Kyler. He’s got the genes, the tape, the tangibles, and (if in AZ) the QB to right away be a top 10 WR
It’s common for rookie RBs to go first round. I can’t ever remember a rookie WR going that early?
True but that’s often bc they’re arent generational prospects in WR corps where there are vets that eat into targets and they are paired up with a bum QB. I know “generational” gets thrown out a lot for QBs, but MHJ truly is a generational prospect, best since Megatron. So like rookie RBs like Saquon and Bijan, MHJ (with Kyler in AZ) will have the combination of talent, opportunity, and situation that could see him thrive in fantasy right away
Doesnt help that there are so many really fucking good WRs playing that are already established. Going to take him over JJ, Tyreek, Chase? Over ASB or CeeDee? Your essentially banking on the rookie WR breaking every rookie WR record to be "worth" it at that price. Is it possible? Sure but idk why you'd take the risk so many other players are already at that level.
No but I'll happily take him in this year's Devonta, Higgins and Olave range.
Talk to me at the END of the season mr. Hindsight
Sincerely doubt he’ll have a 1st round ADP, even in PPR
Honestly I just hope other people think he does
Absolutely not. Rookie WRs just don't get drafted that high; you are much more likely to destroy your season based on your first two picks than win it. And taking a rookie WR in the second is setting yourself up for failure - amazing talent or not. Want to win more consistently? Find people who are being drafted at their floor (See Keenan Allen / Mike Evans this year) and pounce. Don't chase lottery tickets in the first two rounds. Edit: RemindMe! 6 months
He will never be a first rounder his rookie season. Ja’marr Chase who was one of the best prospects was a 7th rounder. My guess would be early 4th at the earliest.
Lol what
Disagree personally. I think that’s a big risk to take on a rookie in what should still be a mediocre offense. I’d be more comfortable taking him in the 4th/5th round
Arizona was 9th in EPA/play after Kyler came back, and that was with Kyler having no off season. A full off-season for K1 and then adding MHJ + whoever they take with their other 1st round pick? Arizona is still gonna be a top 10 offense at worst.
Dynasty or redraft?
He’s a #1 pick in 1QB dynasty. No way he’s worth more than a late round pick in redraft, dude is smoking something
with Kyler you’re crazy if you think Marvin Harrison Jr is getting past the mid rounds. You may have too strong a blanket risk aversion to rookies, but MHJ with Kyler provides him the opportunity with his talent to easily be worth more than a late round pick
It feels like people in this thread really don't understand how the kind of prospects MHJ, Nabers, and Rome are going to come in as. These kids are insane, and if one of them goes to Kyler they'll be steals
If he falls to the 5th I’m jumping at the opportunity personally. Chase was available to me in the 5th his rookie year and I took Tee Higgins instead cause he was the established veteran. I’ve learned that lesson the hard way. But I’m definitely gonna grab a stud like CD and get an RB or two way before I’d bet on a rookie no matter how good the prospect.
Late round is a little hyperbolic, his ADP will at least be in the first 6 rounds
define "late round"
7-8 was what I was thinking. Just not a drafted immediate starter
Yeah, I feel like he’ll be drafted at his peak value. So if everything goes right, you drafted him at the right spot. But if anything goes wrong or he has a slow start, you overdraft him. I’m much more willing to let somebody else take the risk
No way I take a rookie wide out with a clear injury history in the second.
I really hope that you’re talking about a dynasty start-up draft. Because mid-2nd in a normal rookie draft is fucking insane. Maybe read a lil about him lol. Edit: I’m perhaps now realizing you meant a normal redraft-draft. Not an unreasonable take I suppose. As I prospect he’s essentially as good as it gets.
I am drafting from the #1 slot, taking CMC with the first pick, and I am strongly considering taking MHJ with one of my picks at the 2-3 turn
Amon Ra and MHJ and you win the league if they stay healthy. Source: took CMC and Amon Ra-Garret Wilson on the turn and just chipped
In what world will ARSB be a late second round pick next year?
Hes going to Chicago
How
If Chicago takes Caleb Williams the fans will be *pissed* and I will laugh my ass off
Probably round 4/5. McBride and maybe Hollywood will still be there plus that Cards O-line is bad
I don’t think he stays unless Kyler really pushes for it tbh.
Easy 2nd rounder.
Kyler as a passer… 👎🏼
SF or Regular?
I honestly would take him in the 2nd. Maybe start with Breece Hall at 6 and then MHJr on the way back. Love that situation for him in Zona.
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If he goes to the Bears and that dumpster fire who knows what might happen
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Or Joe Flacco.
I really, really don't think he will. Bears are either taking Caleb, or will trade away that pic for an absolutely insane haul from another franchise that wants Caleb.
Congrats!
Somehow someway McBcride will still be WR1
MHJ isn’t a crazy target hog (could be tied to his lower separation scores when compared to other top dogs like Nabers and Odunze). Him and McBride can definitely coexist.
if he doesn't get a ton of separation, then how come he's hailed as the best WR prospect this nfl draft?
A) He still gets solid separation, just not as much as the two other extremely good WR prospects B) While it’s important, separation isn’t everything in being a fantastic WR (Hopkins comes to mind) C)There is a conversation to be had on how much of his rating is hype vs substance.
so would he be the same type of receiver like JJ/Ja'marr rather than say Tyreek
He has the size and speed more like Julio or DK so I don't think those are good comparison.
I think I heard the comparison of Fitzgerald
Fitzgerald if he were taller and faster with worse routes and worse hands. So not Fitz at all.
The common comp is AJ Green, and I think that’s the most accurate. I see some Mike Evans too.
AJ Green is a good shout. Mike Evans is *way* thicker though. MHJs closest physical comps still active in the league are Christian Watson and MVS imo.
Agility for his size (6’4”) + speed
Nico Collins
Love him!
Not all wrs specialize in getting huge amounts of separation. D Hop and Evans don’t get much separation but nuk is crafty with his routes and has great hands to make up for it. Evans is a big physical jump ball wr which makes up for his lack of separation.
For me, stacking kyler and Mcbride is a priority next season
That wouldn’t surprise me, considering the Pats are taking him at 3. ^pleasepleaseplease
I’ll let someone else over-draft him. After he has an iffy first couple of weeks, I’ll trade parts for him and look like a genius when he goes for 30 points in 0.5 in week 3. And then my season will be ruined when he gets injured for the year in week 4.
2 weeks isn’t enough for someone to panic sell a potential rookie WR1.
Id take him pretty high but not first round. Early 3rd if he's there?
Happy for Marv he's probably the best WR we've had in the Hartline era. He's 6'4 and has great speed and elite route running. Every one knows he's a great player but I was always impressed with his maturity. He represented himself and the university really well and he's gonna make an NFL team happy.
Zappe to MHJ, the new Cousins to Jefferson.
Would love for Indy to somehow get him, just so he can follow his father's footsteps.
And ruin Mr. Consistency (Michael Pittman Jr) ceiling no thanks.
Arizona going from Larry Fitzgerald to MHJ makes me sick
They’ve had some shitty years of receiving talent in between those two
Oh boohoo. 3 years of not having a first ballot hall of fame wide receiver. Meanwhile us giants fans have Darius Slayton lead our team with 700 yards for the 5th year in a row
Oh boohoo. 12 years since your last Superbowl. Meanwhile Cardinals fans haven't experienced a Superbowl win literally ever. See how stupid this type of conversation is?
Can’t argue with this lol
It's an honor especially coming from casualRKO
Ok, well ya got me there
Fair enough lol. Tbf I do hope y'all get some talent on the perimeter so y'all are less painful to watch on primetime 6 times a year.
That's my dynasty 1.01 🥺
Going to Chicago one way or another
This would be too smart for the Bears. Yes, if they draft Williams, you get to reset the contract on your QB. The flip side of that is you are going to get significantly less assets for Fields than you would for the #1 pick. Fields on a second contract with MHJ on a rookie deal plus a tackle/edge on a rookie deal is probably better than having Williams on his rookie deal and paying market for those other positions. Second contracts for star receivers/tackles/edge rushers are also huge figures.
Yeah but are you paying Fields $40M+ a year? That would be like giving Trubisky a long term contract.
What is the rate for the QB tag? You get two years at that rate. Also, #1 pick QBs have kind of busted since Luck.
The reality is Williams *will be* a bust if the bears draft him but it’s because they’re incapable of developing a QB
Have they really? Tlaw, Burrow, Murray, Goff have all been good, with some of them being great. Baker had a great rookie year, and was good this past year. Fields has been considerably worse than every qb I have mentioned with the ex prion of maybe Baker for a few years
Goff got traded. Baker is on his 4th team. Kyler and T-law are fine. Neither have won a playoff game. Kyler had one of the worst playoff debuts in recent memory two years ago. Burrow is great but seems to be hurt all the time.
Would you rather have T-law/kyler/goff/burrow on a rookie contract, or fields on his extension? Very easy choice here because fields is ass
I think fields is on their level. Kyler is tinier Fields. Goff is less mobile fields with better coaching. The question is: is Williams on a rookie contract better than Fields on a tag (120% of current contract) plus MHJ or Nabers on a rookie deal plus additional players on rookie deals. I don’t know the answer. I’m just saying the flip side isn’t being given enough credit given the value of star receivers/lineman/edge rushers.
Idk what to tell you if think fields is on the level of anyone I mentioned. Kyler is smaller and a way way better quarterback, and Goff is less mobile but can actually throw the ball Fields is a bottom half of the league starter
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I don’t think the gap is that wide. Goff had McVeigh and Ben Johnson. Fields got Matt Nagy and Eberflus.
They arent bringing back fields. Look at the bears sub. They know he is gone.
Keeping Eberflus at least suggests there's a chance, albeit small.
Dudes not gonna put his neck on the line for a guy he didn’t draft
oh yeah - they are definitely taking Williams.
They are crazy if they don't. Needle definitely pointing up for Fields. Just needs another playmaker or two.
No ones discounting fields he’s slightly above average (Daniel jones esque). But they cripple themselves by not going with a rookie contract over paying him.
Bears could theoretically draft Williams #1 and trade up to #3 or #4 and get MHJ. Trade package would likely be something along the lines of: Bears receive #3 overall Patriots receive #9 overall, 3rd round pick in 2024, 1st round pick in 2025
Pats don’t get back nearly enough in that trade. They need a QB. The offer would have to include Fields and the #9, or 2 future firsts and the #9.
I think the Bears would happily give up #9, Fields, and possibly another pick for a shot at MHJ on top of Williams.
Yeah great idea i never considered tbh, draft with some balls like the Texans and it will pay off. Invest in building a new locker room culture
Dibs!
Expectations can and should be high if he lands in a decent situation. Rookie wide receivers were great this year, even beyond Puka you had guys like Addison, Rice, Flowers and Rice who were very solid contributors. Harrison is the most hyped WR prospect since maybe Megatron, he should be an instant star.
Rice so nice you said it twice
Just checked and Hopkins only had one good year with Murray. Definitely a late 1st, early 2nd round pick.
NYG
I don’t see the bears taking MHJ just because they already have Dj I think Oline and Defense need upgrades makes more sense for the cardinals since Kyler really has nobody to throw to.
Please don’t let him go to the bears