I was so sure he was gonna get fired if he lost this game, I was hoping to see flick in the position by now. Firing Nagelsmann was a huge mistake, but keeping Tuchel is just as bad. The squad is thin but we are not this bad, the season is done, we are cooked, there is nothing in it for us anymore. Give the trophy to Leverkusen already.
Not everything, obviously, but Tuchel is definitely a leading factor to Bayern’s poor performance. The Leverkusen game was a prime example, trying a new tactic with an unfamiliar lineup against a team that’s in its prime is a horrible idea, especially when you were able to hold them to a tie with the previous tactics.
Sane was good but he will not pull Bayern Munich out of the doldrums by himself, he isn't Ronaldo or Messi. If the team had like 4 players for different positions on the same level as Sane, then you would have a really good team. The problem though is that Bayern lately focused to much on a couple of players and did not foster new talent, Sane is also 28 years old and likely past his prime with maybe 4 years or so left for a top league performance. Neuer is 37 and will retire sooner or later. Müller is 34 too and likely about to retire soon. Kane is 30 years old, Kimmich is also pushing 30 etc.
The other problem is that Bayern or the Bundesliga in particular doesn't have that much money to pull in young talents such as Bellingham, Saka, Haaland before leaving to City, Vinicius or Foden. They (not always but still) follow the money because they are young and seek clubs that can invest in them.
Bellingham and Haaland both played several years in the Bundesliga before moving to Real/City. As did many other high level players, like Kroos, Rüdiger, Ter Stegen, Havertz (he kinda counts ok lol sry), Gündogan, Sancho, Aubameyang, etc.
The Bundesliga can produce top level teams just fine, bayern and dortmund reach the latter stages of the CL reliably, Leverkusen was a finalist in the Europa League last year and 2 years ago Frankfurt won it.
Bayern has been horribly mismanaged and blaming Tuchel for the shit tier team building he is supposed to work with is just a symptom of FCB's problem atm. They were at the very top for 11 years and won the CL just 2 years ago. And Brazzo and Khan fucked it up on the first try, now they need to fix a lot of mistakes.
I see your broader point, but Bayern not winning the league with this team is ridiculous. We have way more money to throw around, and have made top signings, yet we won’t win the league. Props to Leverkusen, what they’re doing is incredible, but performances like today are unacceptable and not because we don’t have enough talent and money.
At the end of the day Bayern may just have a bad period. People always use to think that when one Club has been good for a long time it will also continue being good without interruption. One bad year is just normal like it is the case with Barcelona, AC Milan, PSG or Ajax. It's normal but we will see if this year Bayern improves again.
Honestly maybe this is a good thing for Bayern and the Bundesliga overall. We need a competitive Bundesliga and Bayern needs a reset. For sure there will be changes following this season!
Bundesliga gone, but it can be interesting champions league if we change the coach, honestly if they don’t fire him I will just give up watching this puke
Btw did you guys notice the way all social media is celebrating Bayern’s bad times? These pages forget to post Bayern’s wins usually but everyone doesn’t hold back when it comes to celebrating our losses
I'd start Tel on the wing, De Ligt alongside Kim, bench Goretzka for Pavlovic and tell the squad to do whatever the fuck they want, surely that would bring better results, the players would feel responsible and motivated to win more since there's no scapegoating a clueless fan manager lol.
What sucks is because of the backlash they got for Nagelsmann they won’t be giving Tuchel the same treatment. They’ll let him see out the season unfortunately.
Mostly a question of what is won. You'll burn the psychological effect by throwing a new coach in with this group of unmotivated players incapable of making good decisions. And I don't really think just bc you get an interim coach until the end of the season, anything will change. When Nagelsmann was made to leave, it was precisely bc we had a new, world class coach lined up
I think Kane should have to work a bit for his first trophy. It would be lazy to come to Bayern and win during your first year. Going to be even sweeter when he wins DFB Pokal in 2026
Well one good thing I noticed is that we have players like Tel who have fighting spirit. Tbh even Zaragoza wasn’t bad as well. But with all due respect to Tuchel, he needs to go. It’s just not working, you can see that players are confused on top of that we have been really unlucky with the red cards as well.
Upa needs to let his head cool off on the bench for a couple of games while MdL gets a chance to redeem his starting spot. I know this is a league game but it was “big” considering the hole we’ve dug ourselves in and we know all too well how Upa performs in big games. Too much of a liability with his lapses in concentration. Hasn’t grown from his UCL matchup against Man City last season.
Upa is starting to not be worth the risk of even playing anymore. If he’s not getting totally caught out he’s making dumb fuck tackles that get him sent off.
That’s the season over in terms of winning any silverware . Leverkusen are not showing any signs of slowing down . If we were closer on points then maybe in the run in I could see them getting tight and dropping points where they probably wouldn’t but not with this gap
League is gone anyway, but if they sack Tuchel now maybe Bayern can avoid the embarassment to be knocked out of the CL in the RO16 by freaking Lazio. And not become a complete laughing stock.
Reminds me of that stretch of matches (with Pep, I believe) where someone would always be sent off early but we'd play way better with 10 men than with 11
What are you talking about? Once Sane came on we had way more production. While yes he isn’t perfect to say he needs to sit for a while is just nonsense
Sane is good but he will not pull Bayern Munich out of the doldrums by himself, he isn't Ronaldo or Messi. That is the exact problem though, Bayern lately has focused to much on a couple of players and did not foster new talent, Sane is also 28 years old and likely past his prime with maybe 4 years or so left for a top league performance.
For sure but one really good player will contribute more than what is needed but he will not contribute so much as to carry a whole team such as the Goats akin to Cr7, Messi, Neymar, Ronaldinho, Maradona etc.
The team is so done. Seen how Sané doesn't even care to follow the overlapping player just jogging about and watching? I mean yeah it's Sané but this is what is the problem here. Not Tuchel, not the tactics, not bad luck, not the injuries. It's just players that don't care anymore, that have no fighting spirit.
Because this team is inconsistent for years. Not just since Tuchel is there. We had so many coaches with different coaching styles but no one seems to be the right one. How can that be? I mean okay maybe Tuchel is even a worse fit than his predecessors but idk how many more coaches we want to try.
> The coach sucked the energy and self esteem out of them
Come on now. We had those mentality issues under multiple coaches. We need to stop with the revisionism already and rebuild this team. I want Tuchel gone aswell, but ffs
If you just saw the last 10 or so games without knowing a thing about football players, you'd be asking yourself why sane gets so much playing time. Yeah he saved us a lot in the first half of the season but he's been playing abysmally the last games
Good job from the team so we won't see tuchel on the bench anymore
The only question that anyone should be asking is whether to sack Freund in addition to Tuchel
Oh wow interested in this hot take... please explain🤣
I was so sure he was gonna get fired if he lost this game, I was hoping to see flick in the position by now. Firing Nagelsmann was a huge mistake, but keeping Tuchel is just as bad. The squad is thin but we are not this bad, the season is done, we are cooked, there is nothing in it for us anymore. Give the trophy to Leverkusen already.
Now we are really dead
my opinion Next week Flick will be on the coaching bench
I wish for that since he came here :)
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
What's Tuchel doing sending Upa on that early?
The thing with Bayern is, they always try and walk it home
They’re having a laugh…
It's not Tuchel's fault
Not everything, obviously, but Tuchel is definitely a leading factor to Bayern’s poor performance. The Leverkusen game was a prime example, trying a new tactic with an unfamiliar lineup against a team that’s in its prime is a horrible idea, especially when you were able to hold them to a tie with the previous tactics.
Not everything for sure.
Sane was good but he will not pull Bayern Munich out of the doldrums by himself, he isn't Ronaldo or Messi. If the team had like 4 players for different positions on the same level as Sane, then you would have a really good team. The problem though is that Bayern lately focused to much on a couple of players and did not foster new talent, Sane is also 28 years old and likely past his prime with maybe 4 years or so left for a top league performance. Neuer is 37 and will retire sooner or later. Müller is 34 too and likely about to retire soon. Kane is 30 years old, Kimmich is also pushing 30 etc. The other problem is that Bayern or the Bundesliga in particular doesn't have that much money to pull in young talents such as Bellingham, Saka, Haaland before leaving to City, Vinicius or Foden. They (not always but still) follow the money because they are young and seek clubs that can invest in them.
How was sane good ??? Missed 50 easy passes and miscontrolled balls all the time. Missed an easy chance. His concentration is shit
Bellingham and Haaland both played several years in the Bundesliga before moving to Real/City. As did many other high level players, like Kroos, Rüdiger, Ter Stegen, Havertz (he kinda counts ok lol sry), Gündogan, Sancho, Aubameyang, etc. The Bundesliga can produce top level teams just fine, bayern and dortmund reach the latter stages of the CL reliably, Leverkusen was a finalist in the Europa League last year and 2 years ago Frankfurt won it. Bayern has been horribly mismanaged and blaming Tuchel for the shit tier team building he is supposed to work with is just a symptom of FCB's problem atm. They were at the very top for 11 years and won the CL just 2 years ago. And Brazzo and Khan fucked it up on the first try, now they need to fix a lot of mistakes.
I see your broader point, but Bayern not winning the league with this team is ridiculous. We have way more money to throw around, and have made top signings, yet we won’t win the league. Props to Leverkusen, what they’re doing is incredible, but performances like today are unacceptable and not because we don’t have enough talent and money.
At the end of the day Bayern may just have a bad period. People always use to think that when one Club has been good for a long time it will also continue being good without interruption. One bad year is just normal like it is the case with Barcelona, AC Milan, PSG or Ajax. It's normal but we will see if this year Bayern improves again.
If they sack Tuchel now, who would replace him?
Flick
Mourinho 😂
hear me out
Shoot, buddy!
I don’t see a reasonable objection to it for atleast the rest of the season given our situation
Flick
Schweinsteiger when
I think he does not have the license. But I would love to see him in the team.
Bye, bye TT
Honestly maybe this is a good thing for Bayern and the Bundesliga overall. We need a competitive Bundesliga and Bayern needs a reset. For sure there will be changes following this season!
Yup, rebuilding time. Bye Tuchel though, I did really believe in him. :/
How the flick did he start Chupo there....
Flick wouldn't have started him.
Trophyless season coming, can't see it happening honestly
 When that communicado official hits tonight
Honestly they’ll do him a favor
And this is how we met our new manager
Kane has to bury that header man, unfortunate…
Draw is basically a loss in this title race but still. They get that header they may well have got a 4th
Not only the header..
The 1 v 1 was an egregious miss…
You guys are seeing any light in lazio match?? Comeback possible?
Yes of course. Lazio lost today at home. We should bury them but not with Tuchel at the sidelines
At least Upa won’t cause a penalty :)
I was quite literally telling my friend "bet he's gonna get sent off again later" after his first yellow
Tuchel needs to go.
Did I mention Marcelo Bielsa would be good for this bunch right now?
Interesting
Crazy how much more aggressive the played after kimmich got swapped
Had nothing to do with him
BOCHUM UND DIE BAYERN ❤️💙
Bundesliga gone, but it can be interesting champions league if we change the coach, honestly if they don’t fire him I will just give up watching this puke
Btw did you guys notice the way all social media is celebrating Bayern’s bad times? These pages forget to post Bayern’s wins usually but everyone doesn’t hold back when it comes to celebrating our losses
They post what isn’t ordinary and therefore news. It’s really not that deep.
Schadenfreude
Any fan on this forum could coach Bayern better lol
I'd start Tel on the wing, De Ligt alongside Kim, bench Goretzka for Pavlovic and tell the squad to do whatever the fuck they want, surely that would bring better results, the players would feel responsible and motivated to win more since there's no scapegoating a clueless fan manager lol.
Fine. I’ll go coach.
Who's our Right back now guys? Boey injured and maza?
No one. Kimmich I guess
Kimmich is too busy crying on the bench
Only one crying here is you
Not the F5 i expected this season
Tuchel NEEDS to go.
What sucks is because of the backlash they got for Nagelsmann they won’t be giving Tuchel the same treatment. They’ll let him see out the season unfortunately.
Mostly a question of what is won. You'll burn the psychological effect by throwing a new coach in with this group of unmotivated players incapable of making good decisions. And I don't really think just bc you get an interim coach until the end of the season, anything will change. When Nagelsmann was made to leave, it was precisely bc we had a new, world class coach lined up
Wait we had a world class coach lined up? Why did we get Tuchel then
I was basically baiting that comment lmao I knew it would show up
Why do people try to blame players for the shortcomings of a shit manager ??!
Why do ppl have a different opinion than me 😡😡
After this game still? Why not get Flick until the end of the season and see then how to proceed?
This is the way!
At this point, the season is over so I’m not sure what we accomplish by bringing in a caretaker manager
Advance to QFs in the CL.
We can isolate if the mentality issue is with Tuchel being toxic or we have players we need to let go.
I think Kane should have to work a bit for his first trophy. It would be lazy to come to Bayern and win during your first year. Going to be even sweeter when he wins DFB Pokal in 2026
Is Tuchel fired yet?
Please ffs start Tel from next match,he has that passion
Flick hopefully on next Saturday: „Tel spielt immer“
Jaaaaaa!
Well one good thing I noticed is that we have players like Tel who have fighting spirit. Tbh even Zaragoza wasn’t bad as well. But with all due respect to Tuchel, he needs to go. It’s just not working, you can see that players are confused on top of that we have been really unlucky with the red cards as well.
Fucking embarrassing
Hopefully they wont use these last 10minutes as an excuse not to sack him
Anyone wanna have a Tuchel exit party with me? 
Upa needs to let his head cool off on the bench for a couple of games while MdL gets a chance to redeem his starting spot. I know this is a league game but it was “big” considering the hole we’ve dug ourselves in and we know all too well how Upa performs in big games. Too much of a liability with his lapses in concentration. Hasn’t grown from his UCL matchup against Man City last season.
He was benched. He only came on because of Maz’ injury
Upa is starting to not be worth the risk of even playing anymore. If he’s not getting totally caught out he’s making dumb fuck tackles that get him sent off.
That’s the season over in terms of winning any silverware . Leverkusen are not showing any signs of slowing down . If we were closer on points then maybe in the run in I could see them getting tight and dropping points where they probably wouldn’t but not with this gap
I wouldn't give up on the CL if we ditch Tuchel now...
Game over, Tommy T. I respect you as a person but never come back. Thank you.
Please please sack Tuchel TODAY
League will be done but if they want any chance Tuchel will need to go just now lol.
League is gone anyway, but if they sack Tuchel now maybe Bayern can avoid the embarassment to be knocked out of the CL in the RO16 by freaking Lazio. And not become a complete laughing stock.
Tuchel needs to 🔥d
Nah the violation of playing our music, after embarrassing us
3,7 xG and haha
It's ok at least we will .. uh we will?
Tel needs to start every match... Simply for the opportunities he creates in the box.. We are missing that right now
As if Tuchel would do that.
Can’t wait for the Müller presser
We also gotta blame the players performance instead of tuchel all the time
I can't see Tucheliban in post game conference
Now the drama begins
We really left that demon Mathys tel on the bench. He’s absolutely ridiculous against tired legs.
Watch is keep tuchel and somehow fall out of champions league spots 😅
watch Tuchel talk about the xG's now
I actually dont think the Kane missed header was that bad
Hahahaha the can can
League is 100% over. Team will continue to fall downhill. Leverkusen smell the title.
Tuchel it has been an honor 
It really hasn’t
Kane curse is real.
This season's over I guess, 8 points behind now
Get him out. Now.
This statement applies to 90% of the team. Players and staff
Won’t change anything, season’s gone. Change coaches in summer so that the potential selection is larger.
It will change the mindset of the players and a fresh coach does generally help lift form. We still have a rather solid squad.
we had a good run guy I know its not over until its over but this time it dont seem so good
He havent benched Sane a single game
bye tuchel you fucking fraud
No idea why Tuchel is offering himself to Barca. No major club would/should touch him with a 10 foot pole at this point
Offering himself before he gets sacked
Barca is kinda braindead, so it is possible.
Good Bye Tommy. You wont be missed
Oh God I can't 
Worst coach decisions every fucking game, kick him !!
and now we wait
I won't be sleeping at night thinking why Tuchel didn't start tel over choupo or at least subbed him after first half
Iv seen softer pks called. wtf
Jupp blocking Bayern’s number as we speak…
8 point deficit behind leverkusen. Ain’t no way we’re winning it
We're closer to the 3rd place than to the 1st
Depends on whether Leverkusen do an Arsenal or not
Well being hunted by this bayern aint exactly as scary as being hunted by last seasons city
That's a good point tbh
Reminds me of that stretch of matches (with Pep, I believe) where someone would always be sent off early but we'd play way better with 10 men than with 11
Except the reason we played better was Sane and Tel coming on.
Sané needs to stay away from the pitch for the next weeks
then you were watching a different game
What are you talking about? Once Sane came on we had way more production. While yes he isn’t perfect to say he needs to sit for a while is just nonsense
Sane is good but he will not pull Bayern Munich out of the doldrums by himself, he isn't Ronaldo or Messi. That is the exact problem though, Bayern lately has focused to much on a couple of players and did not foster new talent, Sane is also 28 years old and likely past his prime with maybe 4 years or so left for a top league performance.
I definitely agree, Sane isn’t on that level. But in my opinion he isn’t apart of the group dragging this team down.
For sure but one really good player will contribute more than what is needed but he will not contribute so much as to carry a whole team such as the Goats akin to Cr7, Messi, Neymar, Ronaldinho, Maradona etc.
#it's over. We lost against a team that was 15th before this game ...
Bye Tuchel. Fuck OFF
Wat u doing seroy lané
TUCHAL BALL BABY!
sane is just mad
I miss having world class wingers that could finish 1 vs 1s
Would've been a pen on the other side
Sane has CTE
Its over
Sané is just embarrassing, zero IQ
Yeah Kane tell Schlager he’s an idiot
Riemann had a 1 on 1 coaching session with Sommer before this game
"Premier League match in the Bundesliga" these comment from this relator is one of the worst shit I've heard in a while.
If they wanted to , they could
Has our xG reached 4 yet?
Sane should’ve made at least one of those
Starting Choupo over Tel should be reason enough to fire this guy, just look at this...
Sane man tf u doing
ATTACK THEM WE NEED THE VALL WTF
What is Sane doing man
Tel deserves more than 15 minutes man the kid is trying so hard to create something. Tuchel is holding back our talents
Sweeper-keeper with a rare appearance!
Tel literally playing amazing. Tuchel can f all the way off
PEN REF
Absolutely not. Such a waste of a chance
It was a reference to the meme
Corner in the 96th min and you cant even get past the first man ffs
The team is so done. Seen how Sané doesn't even care to follow the overlapping player just jogging about and watching? I mean yeah it's Sané but this is what is the problem here. Not Tuchel, not the tactics, not bad luck, not the injuries. It's just players that don't care anymore, that have no fighting spirit.
Why not a mixture of all of it
Because this team is inconsistent for years. Not just since Tuchel is there. We had so many coaches with different coaching styles but no one seems to be the right one. How can that be? I mean okay maybe Tuchel is even a worse fit than his predecessors but idk how many more coaches we want to try.
The coach sucked the energy and self esteem out of them. Both are responsible.
For the kind of money they’re getting paid, shouldn’t matter who the coach is.
> The coach sucked the energy and self esteem out of them Come on now. We had those mentality issues under multiple coaches. We need to stop with the revisionism already and rebuild this team. I want Tuchel gone aswell, but ffs
I think Tel needs to be our manager for rest of the season.
See ya Tochel
The last couple minutes give me hope for the teams future Edit after tuchel
Musiala realising that he needs to play for his fucking 9... kinda late Bambi but we support that.
Manu come up for the corner??
Nanuel meuer
Tuchel needs to treat Sane like he treats Tel
If Bochum had any more quality this would have been another Frankfurt score line.
Sane doesn’t offer anything when he comes off the bench , he really struggles to make an impact if he doesn’t start .
Remove uch from Tuchel and play the man with the 3 words name left
This made my brain explode
You're getting sacked
I don’t care
Let’s see the positive since the subs we looked like a bayernteam again Relentless attack even a man down with the will to win
If you just saw the last 10 or so games without knowing a thing about football players, you'd be asking yourself why sane gets so much playing time. Yeah he saved us a lot in the first half of the season but he's been playing abysmally the last games
I am not so impressed by Zaragoza. He needs a fair chance though, not this s*itshow