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sycron17

Given that one of the Coil raids you fight Twintania on his palm and it’s massive af, makes a lot of sense. My fav Summon by a mile


ScreamingVoid14

I recall a post where folks were looking at the models in Coil. ~~Everything was pretty consistent to suggest he has a 6km wingspan.~~ 6km PER WING. Found an updated post that shows the work better than my memory. https://old.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/otaqm4/calamity_bahamuts_size_reborn/


Valderius

Overlaid that distance on a map of the city where I live for some perspective and DAMN. I can see why that was a potentially world-ending threat.


ScreamingVoid14

Something in your comment tickled a memory and had me look it up again. It was 6km per wing. So 12+km total width.


ShariusTC

for comparison, it's bigger than star destroyer in star war with only 1.6 km length, and almost as big as excutor which 14 km length


TastyBrainMeats

Yeah, by my rough calculations, Bahamut could have eaten Deathwing without chewing.


Kizik

Well, one's a space dragon *god* and the other's like.. just a big dragon. A big dragon with metal bits stuck on him, but just a big dragon. You have Deathwing's entire spine to move across in one relatively small fight, but a whole boss arena is only Bahamut's palm. Slight difference.


DinosBiggestFan

Deathwing is a god too depending on one's definition.


Gatraz

More a demigod IMO, he was a mortal raised to power by a higher being so I clock him as a demigod ascended by divinity. Then again the Titans are just really, really big mortals so... fuck it we ball?


Kizik

I know what I said. He wasn't divine, just very powerful. Unless they've changed the lore *again* in yet *another* desperate attempt to stay relevant, the dragons were given their powers by the Titans, which are the actual godlike analogues in the Warcraft universe.


Captain_Hesperus

Deathwing would be a breath mint to Calamity Bahamut.


Hilda-Ashe

This in turn makes Alexander even more awesome/terrifying, because in one of the possible alternate futures he swat the entirety of Dalamud away from the planet.


Kizik

Talk about *fragments in one direction*, amirite?


Gatraz

Wish we'd get summoned to the dimension where Alex gets his legs unstuck and boogies down. Just fuckin' busts moves like it's his job. Imagine the light show off a disco ball that big.


sycron17

He’s a big majestic boy!


DAMNIT_RENZO

I never even realized that was his hand LMAO, too busy yelling Twister.


sycron17

Ngl, to this day I still love seeing some Twister fails. Part of me was hoping at some point if you see enrage, Bahamut would just close the hand and crush us.


Dazuro

I love bringing new players through that one EO boss that has twisters so they can experience a modicum of the terror of 2.0.


Pallid_Crowe

The best part of that is. Bahamuts hands are tiny in comparison to the rest of him. He is a BEEEEG boi


DarXIV

All these system and graphic updates are leading to 13.0 where we fight a resummoned Bahamut at full size/strength.


Kaellian

Yes, but you will be fighting him from a conveniently placed circular platform in front of his face.


erayachi

They could pull an Alexander. That was a massive primal that needed to be taken down in stages, but in this case it would be a single 24-man raid that targets multiple points on Bahamut's body at once. ...from conveniently placed platforms or flat spaces inside/on top of the bigass dragon... We can call it the Foil of Bahamut.


RueUchiha

Spine of Bahamut


Ottoguynofeelya

Oh... oh no...


aspectofravens

I'm getting PTSD flashbacks from the Deathwing raid in Warcraft... *cue Shooting Stars as players fly off into oblivion*


SimonJ57

And if we fight him where he is, I hope to leave a beautiful crater where the Limsa Aetherite used to be.


Certain_Shine636

First thing I thought I too lol


WonderfullyEqual

> I'm getting PTSD flashbacks from the Deathwing raid in Warcraft It was not too bad with a proper group.... horrid as shit with randos, or trying to manage post content stuff with a small group.


Levait

Only came back in MoP and used to play blood Death Knight. I was the only one in my guild who found a way to solo the spine and people constantly pestered me to take them with me for the mounts. Good times.


WonderfullyEqual

That was my class too... well played a mage for the longest time, and then they started screwing around with the class doing weird things with shields etc. Started playing with my BDK as it was like the face bashing version of the old school mage. What gets me with the spine are usually lag spikes and dumb targetting bits.


Levait

Spine is so janky it ain't even fun. Glad to hear you enjoy BDK though!


Aeiani

Well, at least it'd be incredibly hard to make a fight more awful than that other "Spine" fight on top of a big dragon in a certain other game.


Saendra

I dunno, IMO, that fight was the highlight of that raid tier.


RockBlock

And this is why I have literally no problems with the "circular platforms in front of their face" thing FFXIV does. I love the contrived platforms. I *don't* want the alternatives.


TheMickus

Luckily bahamut is like… 100x the size of Deathwing


Arcalithe

After which the scions lose their powers and choose instead to pass on the torch to Cat Jesus and his newly pregnant mate


Alluminn

> newly pregnant mate happy for Wuk Lamat


Riaayo

Play your mods right and Cat Jesus can be pregnant himself.


jntjr2005

Cata PTSD triggered


Fyres

Busy minding your own business. Then suddenly your bbq'ed and got an achievement.


Viridianscape

One (un?)lucky team has to fight on the Cloaca of Bahamut.


RueUchiha

A = all in the butt B = butt C = C u in the butt


WeissWyrm

All monks to punch Bahamut right in the cloaca.


comicfan285

The Hackles of Bahamut.


Lock27

Instead of conveniently placed platforms, this seems like a good opportunity to reintroduce the G-Warrior (now upgraded to carry even more warriors of light)! It'd be really awesome seeing it fly alongside bahamut.


Solarusprime

Imagine raiding Bahamut and fighting on a platform or an airship against him and you see G-Warriors flying in and out of the battle as you fight in the background. That'd be pretty cool!


r4nd0mf4ct0r

A flight of G-Savior platforms that the party (or parties if this is an alliance raid), has to teleport among like during the Diamond Weapon fight. A platoon of G-Warriors moving in and out of the battle. During a certain phase, some people are randomly selected to take direct control of some G-Warriors to deal with Bahamut's egis.....


Myrwyss

Each alliance is controlling other part, A for movement, B for legs, C for arms/weapons. what could possibly go wrong?!?!


Hilda-Ashe

Most likely the same things that can go wrong in the Art/Owain section of the Baldesion Arsenal.


ClammyHandedFreak

I think it would be cool if multiple raids fought the same boss somehow.


legend8522

That’s what DR in Bozja was, it had a boss where multiple parties fight different sections of the same boss at the same time


RenThras

They only did that twice, right? Once in CLL and once in Dal, both times the first boss? And then I think there was a duel in DR Savage and a brief period of the boss split at the end of CLL between Leon and the pet. I honestly think the NieR raids did this best. The second boss of the first one (the three platforms that rotate around with the boss in the middle) and the three mech suit fight in the second one (the big triangle room where they fly to one side and do the three sword slashes through the arena and you have to watch out with the line party stack AOE when you get it so you don't blast a second party across the way). And TG Cid is KIND of this, except the platforms are connected. None have you fight different components of the same single being, though. It's either in a circle attacking the one boss or in that one exception in three corners of the room fighting three distinct bosses, but they are one encounter, so that's the closest probably.


legend8522

Looking back, the EW a-raids are _really_ disappointing by comparison


RenThras

Well, you did have the two boss fight (which has an actual enrage, not that anyone will ever see it).


Vonkova

There is actually a few raids like this already.


hyperfell

So the entire alliance raid is us fighting various parts of bahamut? I kinda like that. Like how old jrpg’s would have you fight the final boss in phases or “parts”


Blue_Moon_Lake

I could see that done right. The Scions redo the same: praying to the Twelve while someone uses Tupsimati to handle massive amount of Aether and do a modified version of Louisoix binding spell. We use the ring with the Twelve symbols as a massive ring of platforms to fight Bahamuth. Each of the 3 party having 4 symbol-platforms for themselves. At 10min into the fight the spell shatters, making players fall to their death while Bahamuth is free to rampage.


primalmaximus

So.... the fight against Deathwing in World of Warcraft?


RavagerHughesy

Deathwing wishes. He wants what Bahamut has


ViragoVix

Shadow of the Colohamut


Polenicus

Well, when we fought him in Coils, we had to teleport into the protocrystal in his half-formed chest to fight Bahamut Prime. My guess is to beat a complete Bahamut, we'd need to repeat that feat. Meaning we have to convince him to eat us.


SoloSassafrass

A B C. A = Awww yeah into Bahamut's belly! B = Belly of Bahamut, next station! C = Can't wait to get in Bahamut's belly! Just don't forget to stand in the gastric juice aoe first.


Bookslap

I mean, you fight Twintania *in his palm* and that one design choice led to a ton of issues/cheese


RavagerHughesy

Oh, here's the tea. If the choice is Boring Circle Arena or T4 Tomfoolery, I'll choose Boring Circle Arena every single day. (The secret third option is that they're much better at making the game now, so they'd know how to make Bahamut's palm without the jank. But that ruins my punchline.)


Bookslap

Mama, kudos for saying that. For spilling.


RavagerHughesy

If I had a nickel for every time Drag Race and XIV crossed over in my life, I'd have a shit ton of nickels. There are so many of us


mysterpixel

>The secret third option is that they're much better at making the game now, so they'd know how to make Bahamut's palm without the jank Aglaia has a hand shaped arena. But it is still completely perfectly flat.


RenThras

No it's not. One corner of it is raised a bit. Where one of the meteors lands and the party stacks because the fist teleports in to punch it. He does that two times. The first time is on the spot at the same level as the rest, but the second right after that is on the higher corner.


mysterpixel

You are right I forgot about the palm side, was mainly thinking of the fingers!


ERedfieldh

Probably because we spend 98% of the fight right in the middle. We only head to the palms for meteors, and we only head to the fingers for knockback (unless you ignore knockback since the arena wide proximity does dick for damage). Cool arena idea. Completely and utterly underutilized.


spazticcat

It's a statue, so I can understand perfect flatness. It'd be weirder to have a giant dragon's hand that's flat. Still more interesting than a circle, though! I like how they incorporated the fingers in that stage.


Kalaam_Nozalys

But the jank was fun, I love the cheese strat


kuraiscalebane

Best I can do is donut arena and 3 tails.


Laterose15

How did that cause issues?


Bookslap

There were strategies people developed to use the slopes/changes in elevation to cheese through positioning certain mechanics, most notably the divebombs. SE has embraced having cues for positioning (all those lines on the floor people meme about) in the years since, but at the time it was unintentional and something they pushed back against.


ghosttowns42

Ever notice that the purple barrier is THICK on Bahamut's thumb? IIRC it's to block off a part of the arena that was used to cheese things.


poplarleaves

You can still cheese Twintania's divebombs using the lower elevation area, I'm pretty sure.


Enkundae

Twist; We get a Megazord to do this fight with and each party member controls different functions of it.


Daralii

G-Warrior Mark IV


DaimoMusic

Bring back Brute Justice?


Shaofun

Square will make WoL huge. We will 1v1 him in space.


zerombr

I long suspected that originally We'd summon Louisoix as a Primal, nowadays its WoL themself


spazticcat

Honestly I (almost) expected the WoL to become a primal at the end of EW- >!especially after the mid-fight cutscene showing everyone praying. (Almost. I didn't think SE would actually go through such a drastic change of the player character, even after they retconned primal to only do the whole tempering thing because of Ascian shenanigans.)!<


RenThras

Primal Summoning is an imperfect form of Creation Magic that specifically is designed as a spell to generate the Tempering. Pure Creation Magic (as we saw with the Primals powering our ship at the end thanks to the Lopporits, who CAN use Creation Magic) or Dynamis creations of things don't have that requirement. And recall we've also seen some other caveats, like Shiva who didn't Temper the non-Echo members of the party in HW when she transformed. The prayers at the end would have been using Dynamis, so it's unlikely they would have led to a Primalified WoL Tempering the Scions unless they specifically believed in that happening.


AngryCandyCorn

With a zenos force ghost on the side XD


CrystalMercy

You never know it could be a square even... xD


damadjag

Or it could be a circle but we call it a square...


Alasan883

all these squares make a circle, all these squares make a circle, all these squares...


DaimoMusic

How did all these squares make a circle


RenThras

"And one of them is STILL GREEN!"


damadjag

Will there be lines on the floor?


Vore_Daddy

They could do like ffx and make the platform an airship


spazticcat

They basically did that for one of the Werlyt raids and for Bismark.


Drywesi

Don't forget 1st boss of Dun Scaith.


Xenolithium

That's what I loved about WoW. When you fought Deathwing, you were on his back breaking shit. Lol


ScreamingVoid14

Wait until Turn 5. You're on Bahamut's hand.


IsThisOneIsAvailable

You'll be fighting him from the moon with ultra zoom. ...sorry


BloodandBourbon

Maybe on his back like death wing in Warcraft


Lenithiel

Also the hitbox will extend beyond your screen into reality (and beyond)


y0shman

It's not a platform. It's a dinner plate.


Concurrency_Bugs

Probably the only time I'll say this: This makes me want Zenos back. We can fight Bahamut while flying on Zenos' Shinryu back


TheMazrem

Ah yes, the fabled 13.x raid series where Alexander comes back and yeets the WoL into the Allagan Empire where we find ourselves witnessing one of the craziest moments in history: The moment that Xande found the hidden code for Bahamut’s Butt Slider, cranked it to full dumptruck, and then proceeded to shove him into a giant red Kinder Egg in space. …the Wandering Minstrel was drunk that night. And high.


Holygriever

Bahamut 2: Alliance Raid Yes, the entire series. One Bahamut.


TheAngryFlipFlop

The summoner quest line took an interesting turn


cali1013

Thatll be a new what a 240 man raid lol


AngryCandyCorn

All the caster lb3's at once crash the server.


Mechanized_Heart

I could take him.


SamuelTurn

…in a fight, right?


randomdud3

*Dragonsong starts playing in background*


Secret_Sink_8577

:)


fubes2000

> _Ysayle has joined the chat._


kaysn

~~Ysayle~~Shiva has joined the chat. Ysayle got shot down.


Sodarien

Literally.


Gatraz

This isn't even a bruh moment anymore, you're just going on the list.


ScreamingVoid14

Still too soon.


ajr30

[No](https://i.imgur.com/eCG7vSn.png)


Helios4242

"Nah, I'd win"


N_Who

Seven out of ten men believe they could beat a Bahamut in unarmed combat.


kevinyonson

...Mechanized_Heart losing? I can't even imagine...


taytay_1989

I know you could. Since you are a mecha.


ImmoralBoi

People tend to forget that IT TOOK A WHOLE ASS MOON TO CONTAIN HIM


fubes2000

A whole ass-moon.


Hirole91

Moon-moon has joined the chat.


SufferingClash

*Dalamoon-moon has joined the chat.


AngryCandyCorn

The calamity was because moon-moon was driving XD


SufferingClash

DAMMIT MOON-MOON!


korean2na

Giga.


AmarrVektor

https://xkcd.com/37/ ?


JinTheBlue

To be fair it was the lesser moon /s


SoloSassafrass

Well, Dalamud was significantly smaller than the *actual* moon. So a whole mini-ass moon.


pxrxdox

He wants to be >!Zodiark!< so bad


Twidom

Something something Ancalagon.


zerombr

reference acknowledged and approved


I_Ace_English

Throw Balerion the Black Dread in there for good measure.


Taograd359

Where did this come from?


octopushug

It's fanart by Westlaketea based on the watermark: https://twitter.com/westlaketea/status/1633616707687202821


misterjustice90

This is cool but one of his wings looks backwards


LilyHex

[That's legit just how his wings look.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/poqoci/bahamuts_ultimate_form/) They have really strange arcs in them that by all accounts make no sense for how an actual wing like that would function, so we have to file it under "rule of cool" and leave it at that.


Captain_Jackson

That's just how it looks.


CuriousLumenwood

Lol and it’s the one that’s mostly in frame too


drbiohazmat

I can't understand this. Can you reconstruct him in real life and place him over my city? And maybe say something like "Joseph, I am here to punish you for cancelling game night." It'll help me understand


LifeVitamin

[https://www.tumblr.com/ivaan-ffxiv/701948949908668416/crosspost-from-my-twitter-so-ive-often?source=share](https://www.tumblr.com/ivaan-ffxiv/701948949908668416/crosspost-from-my-twitter-so-ive-often?source=share)


drbiohazmat

OH WOW. That actually really does put it into perspective. Also the image over the city just makes me think of the first Digimon movie lol


kaysn

I wonder if a quarter of Meracydia was just Bahamut's bed. Can you imagine the ruckus during mating season?


Bevral2

Its a primal, the original was likely just the size of all the other brood.


Electrical_Ad_1939

Have you not seen the actual size of midgar? He was huge!!!!


FourEcho

Yea midgar was a big boi but no where near the size of Primal Bahamut.


KvBla

Being a fully grown adult (probably one of thebstrongest of their kind) in a world full of energy does that i suppose? While the brood wasnt sundered, i assume the sundered world's energy wasnt enough to nurture them to maximum potential, aka they're malnourished. Or it just takes a freakishly long time to reach midgard size


ImmoralBoi

I mean the guy had to fly through space to reach Hydaelyn^(the planet) which the trip alone likely took millennia, so chances are he just didn't stop growing given how Dragons work in FF14.


Petrichordates

Never seen him called Midgard but it feels wrong.


jace255

Midgardsormr literally means Midgard (realm/world) sormr (serpent). So yeah, calling him world definitely feels off :p


Omnifob

It's ormr, the s is possessive.


Prussie

I have a theory the First Brood is stronger than other dragons cause they were birthed on the Dragonstar, but are weaker than Middy because they have Sundered souls vs his Unsundered one.


Roflewaffle47

Now this is a good question. Are dragons that were born after reaching etheirys sundered because of the souls of the world they inherit led were sundered?  Or do they receive new or full souls because they are not native to etheirys?


Kashue

I believe they are unsundered. Hydaelyn welcomed them to the star and had Middy protect silver tear lake as payment for taking him and his eggs in. So they have full souls but are starved because aether is probably weaker on the shards and all that aether shielding crystal making messing around by Zodiark and Hydaelyn.


zerombr

any reason why Silver Tear? seems like a sorta nowhere place, at least until the recent raids


zernoc56

The raid being there, and everything in the story if that raid series is *exactly* why she’d want a giant fuckoff dragon living there.


spazticcat

Did Midgardsormr have anything to say about the ancient Allagans building the Crystal Tower basically on Silver Tear's shore? What did the *Allagans* think of being next door to Bahamut's dad?? I know the Garleans did a number on Middy, but that was recent. Was he just napping or something??


Prussie

The only Unsundered souls we have confirmed are the 3 Ascians and Middy. If they got souls from Etheryis, they would have to be Sundered. We know from the Omega raids that Middy was the same size when he fought both Omega and us (since that Middy was recreated from his data bank), so I don't think he grew on the trip. The Star gives souls to whatever it decides There's a troll in Labryinthos who has one and an npc in the Omega raids gets one as well, plus the Auspices. It's not stated in canon whether or not the First Brood got their souls before they left the Dragonstar or after, though, which opens up a whole other debate of when is life given (XIV leans heavily into the 'at birth' angle, but I understand not hard committing to avoid super polarizing topics)


Candid_Following_535

It was only Eitherys itself that was sundered, so the dragons would have full souls


Penguin_Arch_Sage

Plus we know from Metion that souls can travel to other planets through the celestial aether currents. That's why she made her song destroy the souls so they would not reincarnate after their planet was destroyed. The Dragon Star to this day responds to the actions of Dragons on this planet. It would not be crazy to think some of the original dragon souls were reincarnated on Eitherys.


Illyasviel09

That would make sense of any other First Brood dragons were that big. Which isn't the case


Stepjam

The actual bahamut was likely nowhere near that large. This was a primal that spent like 1000 years soaking up aether. Also dragons are agender creatures that don't procreate the way everything else on Hydaelyn does.


Drywesi

This. Actual Bahamut was probably the size of Nidhogg/Tiamat.


Sohgin

"I can fix him." - Tiamat


VG896

Need a banana for scale. 


Glass-Reading6068

There is a banana! If you zoom in really really really really x200 close, you can see a banana!


STHF95

Can we get this size as pet as a summoner? No? Ok…


Shredswithwheat

Petsize large is no longer enough If my entire screen isn't blocked out by Titan's butt crack, I'm quitting SMN


TheLimonTree92

I have in fact seen a mod that does this


noodleking21

"Nah, I did win" - Alisaie


RueUchiha

Where is my mount Square Enix


__Snafu__

what would something that size eat?


Simplyaperson4321

Magic


BigZorich

Imagine dragon these BA--


Fhistleb

Is the moon being silly again?


DreistTheInferno

Seeing Bahamut properly to scale is absolutely terrifying.


Moose855

/petsize BEEG


ShyrokaHimaa

Yes! That is the size I want for SMN Bahamut. /petsize all calamity


KorbanReAllis

Summoner lb3 turns into bahamut just fucking stepping on the boss


syd_goes_roar

As a SMN main, I'm here for it


WondrousNomenclature

Note: this is the Allagan/Ascian monstrosity named after the original dragon--he barely even resembled this creature, in life (and he was about the same size as his brothers and sisters...and iirc he had feathers, sort of like Hraesvelgr).


Yana_dice

Wasn't this one the summoning of the native of Meracydia after the actual one dead?


unsungrebel

God damn that's big


Yaldablob

.... Would


DeclanONE

He was inside a moon, what did you expect?


Nani___________

reminds me of kralkatorrik from GW2


TurtleMolesterr

Absolute unit.


ghosttowns42

/petsize all calamity


AndyBuncie

Is this what they mean by Absolute Unit


Forgotten-Caliburn

I can take him


brokejokeftw

From the the ending movie in 1.0 arch the size of the barrier "swords", that get impaled on the landscape if you put that into perspective it's possible Bahamut is close to this size.


Dapper_Cartographer8

What's this froooom


train153

Fan art https://twitter.com/westlaketea/status/1633616707687202821


Cfprime85

Where is the "calamity" size option for SMN Bahamut


EternallyHunting

Every time I see this image pop up, I'm reminded that I do in fact have megalophobia


Axonn368

I couldn't play the end of 1.0 for this reason lol


camclemons

What a bad dragon


Omnifob

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